Careercow Robert Chipman / Bob / Moviebob / "Movieblob" - Middle-Aged Consoomer, CWC with a Thesaurus, Ardent Male Feminist and Superior Futurist, the Twice-Fired, the Mario-Worshipper, publicly dismantled by Hot Dog Girl, now a diabetic

[REGENDarySumanai]

If Bob can't even understand Venom, then I highly doubt he can understand Carnage. Then again, I'm expecting someone with extreme black and white morality to understand a morally gray character.

 

[BScCollateral]

It's kind of amazing how bad Bob is at this stuff. Reviewing Pop culture flicks - fine, what the hell. But when you can't say anything interesting in your reviews...

 

[Lensherr]

"Tries to be a real movie." What does that mean? Is it like the way Bob tries to be a real critic?

I think he’s referring to the movies seeming lack of bathos. Bob has a problem with genre fare that takes itself seriously, which is why he enjoys the winking self-awareness of the MCU.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Hey, you're right for once!
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I don't get his thing with Venom. Is it because he sees he's in black and so assumes he's some edge master? This is a very childish rant.

 

[REGENDarySumanai]

I don't get his thing with Venom. Is it because he sees he's in black and so assumes he's some edge master? This is a very childish rant.

Venom tends to change between villain and anti-hero at points. However, one of its children is solely evil and that's Carnage. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Venom tends to change between villain and anti-hero at points. However, one of its children is solely evil and that's Carnage. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

More or less. Venom's "villain" tendencies are pretty much solely directed towards Spider-Man who he feels dicked over by Pete and the symbiote being rejected. The only straight up villain Venom was probably when Mac Gargon/Scorpion had the symbiote. He's an anti-hero and mostly fine working with anyone else. Carnage is more of the monster.

 

[Flexo]

More or less. Venom's "villain" tendencies are pretty much solely directed towards Spider-Man who he feels dicked over by Pete and the symbiote being rejected. The only straight up villain Venom was probably when Mac Gargon/Scorpion had the symbiote. He's an anti-hero and mostly fine working with anyone else. Carnage is more of the monster.

Again, for those curious about Venom's history. (yes Carnage is in there too)

What cracks me up is thinking about this bit:

But as we know now (as per the interview with Michelinie in Comics Creators), it turns out that there were reasons why Brock was not as effective a choice for the host of the symbiote - he wasn't the one Michelinie had in mind! This story has pretty well made the rounds of fandom, but Venom was originally supposed to be a pregnant woman whose husband was killed in an automobile accident because the driver was distracted by Spider-Man. To add to the misery, the husband was flattened right in front of her. The shock forced her into labor, and she lost her baby, and her mind, in the process. The symbiote would find her in her grief and bond with her and the two would seek revenge against Spider-Man. While a misguided motivation, at least it wasn't because her misery was caused by her own actions as Brock's was. She was a true victim and hadn't done anything wrong except being in the wrong place at the wrong time. And since Spider-Man has historically had very few female villains of any lasting merit, this could have been a definite change from the ordinary.

But Spider-Editor Jim Salicrup did not believe that the audience would accept a woman as a viable physical threat to Spider-Man, even one enhanced by an alien symbiote.

So would Bob have been far more accepting of Venom if they were one of Spidey's few female adversaries? Would he be falling all over himself talking about another female superhero movie?

(and part of me always wonders, why none of the alt takes on spidey - like the Ultimate universe - ever try experimenting with this alt venom take - or is that Spider-Gwen's venom?)

 

[RockVolnutt]

(and part of me always wonders, why none of the alt takes on spidey - like the Ultimate universe - ever try experimenting with this alt venom take - or is that Spider-Gwen's venom?)

Spoiler

As it stands now, "Venom" in Spider-Gwen is apparently just another universe's Gwen. "Spider-Gwen" ended up in a universe like what the main one was like when Gwen was alive and somehow this resulted in that Gwen Stacy never dying and eventually becoming Venom. Pretty sure they just wanted to use the "Gwenom" pun by making her yet another Gwen.

 

[Gordon Cole]

And this is supposed to counter his point instead of reinforcing it how?

 

[Flexo]

Spoiler

As it stands now, "Venom" in Spider-Gwen is apparently just another universe's Gwen. "Spider-Gwen" ended up in a universe like what the main one was like when Gwen was alive and somehow this resulted in that Gwen Stacy never dying and eventually becoming Venom. Pretty sure they just wanted to use the "Gwenom" pun by making her yet another Gwen.

Well that's... disappointing.

I'm increasingly agreeing with Zack of Diversity & Comix - what is up with writers these days actually having good ideas but extremely poor execution? I mean a flipped universe where Gwen is the hero is Peter the lost love should be a story that leaves not a fan dry eyed. But I saw the panels from that issue she was introduced and it was... just nothing.

Oh wait... how did I see it put somewhere else? "Blank Canvas Art." Where it's more about letting the audience put whatever they want into it than actually trying to tell a damn story. No wonder Bob loves this style.

EDIT: No really, the more I think about this, the more it fits.

Consider: The Last Jedi is a movie so nebulous that you can stick ANY motif or theme onto it with minimum effort as proved by MauLer multiple times.

What is Bob obsessed with? After Mario - movies. To him, movies are the only thing that matters - a country's literal worth is boiled down to just its movies.

So when he sees Last Jedi, what does he see but what he loves most: movies and fandom. Indeed in his view the hero only wins the day BY turning himself into a movie (per Bob's interpretation).

Therefore: Bob is so invested in Last Jedi and defending it from anybody he sees as attacking it because to him it is THE perfect movie. Indeed it is ultimately HIS movie because he had to put so much of himself into it to make the film work.

And it's why it's getting so hard to discuss movies nowadays because with the audience putting themselves into it, you can't point out how the movie sucks without people feeling like they're being personally attacked - even though they're not, it's all in their heads.

 

[Heckler1]

Well that's... disappointing.

I'm increasingly agreeing with Zack of Diversity & Comix - what is up with writers these days actually having good ideas but extremely poor execution? I mean a flipped universe where Gwen is the hero is Peter the lost love should be a story that leaves not a fan dry eyed. But I saw the panels from that issue she was introduced and it was... just nothing.

Oh wait... how did I see it put somewhere else? "Blank Canvas Art." Where it's more about letting the audience put whatever they want into it than actually trying to tell a damn story. No wonder Bob loves this style.

Thats nothing new. There are mountains of old comics with horrendous execution, but that fact goes against D&C's REEEE gimmick.
Bob, as I've said before, is pretty fucking stupid and will mindlessly gravitate towards the things he thinks he is supposed to like as a fat fuck feminist fag. He doesn't actually like anything, he is merely posturing in hopes some sea hag will pay attention to him. He is a man devoid of his own thoughts, screeching loudly into the void in hopes someone thinks he's smart.

Spoiler: Except

He's pretty fucking stupid

 

[LordofCringe7206]

If Bob can't even understand Venom, then I highly doubt he can understand Carnage. Then again, I'm expecting someone with extreme black and white morality to understand a morally gray character.

I think Bob can understand Carnage as a character. It's the reason why Carnage is such a great villain that Bob won't understand. Mainly because he's a sociopath much like Carnage.

Spoiler: On Carnage and the role he serves

Carnage is a rather simple character, less complex than Venom. He's just an unhinged madman, someone who wants to kill for the sake of killing. To him, death and destruction is the ultimate form of expression. Unlike Venom who just wants to harm Spider-Man, Carnage wants to harm everyone. And that applies to anyone and everyone. He doesn't have a plan or a greater end goal, he only wants to kill and destroy just for the sake of killing and destroying. He cares only about his namesake: committing as much carnage as he possibly can.

Because of this, Carnage is a great character for exploring a superhero like Spider-Man's own ethics in his crime fighting. A character like Carnage can show us just how far Spider-Man is willing to be pushed in trying to stop him before compromising his own ethics.

Because Bob has no ethics himself, this kind of story is completely lost to him. To Bob, there are no bad tactics. Only bad targets. The ends justify the means to him. This kind of character is just evil and any discussion about how you chose to stop him is ridiculous in his mind.

 

[Flexo]

Thats nothing new. There are mountains of old comics with horrendous execution, but that fact goes against D&C's REEEE gimmick.

Look we all know about the Clone Saga. Thing is the companies are supposed to LEARN from these mistakes.

If you want a simple compare contrast, just grab a Dark Horse Star Wars comic from a few years back and read it against a modern Marvel Star Wars comic. There's a noticeable dip in quality.

Of course it makes some sense conceptually that as the industry loses market share, there is less money to hire quality talent but some of this stuff is on Bob Chipman levels.

 

[LordofCringe7206]

Look we all know about the Clone Saga. Thing is the companies are supposed to LEARN from these mistakes.

If you want a simple compare contrast, just grab a Dark Horse Star Wars comic from a few years back and read it against a modern Marvel Star Wars comic. There's a noticeable dip in quality.

Of course it makes some sense conceptually that as the industry loses market share, there is less money to hire quality talent but some of this stuff is on Bob Chipman levels.

I loved the Star Wars comics that Dark Horse put out when I was kid. The ones put out around the Revenge of the Sith release were especially well done. Just another element that shows us just how badly Disney has ruined the franchise.

Another example: we could of had video games like Star Wars 1313 or the Darth Maul game. But because of Disney we instead are playing Battlefront II (the shitty and more recent Battlefront II).

Disney's handling of Star Wars is just another example of how Bob doesn't care about the quality as much as the brand. He only cares about who is producing it, regardless of whether or not it's actually good.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Disney's handling of Star Wars is just another example of how Bob doesn't care about the quality as much as the brand. He only cares about who is producing it, regardless of whether or not it's actually good.

That’s why I found his attacks on Sequel Trilogy’s critics amusing because you have a non-fan of Star Wars attacking actual fans.

 

[Pol Pots Pooter]

I don't get his thing with Venom. Is it because he sees he's in black and so assumes he's some edge master? This is a very childish rant.

Venom is a being produced by SMP as part of that deal Sony struck with Marvel. Of course Bob hates it. If it was being produced by Marvel Studios he'd be sending Tom Hardy fan mail begging for pubic hair clippings for his collection.

We should start asking why he hates women and Jews, considering he shits on every Sony Spider-Man movie and they're made by a woman (Amy Pascal) and a Jew (Avi Arad).

Spoiler

It's because he's a Nazi.

 

[Rathkor]

Venom is a being produced by SMP as part of that deal Sony struck with Marvel. Of course Bob hates it. If it was being produced by Marvel Studios he'd be sending Tom Hardy fan mail begging for pubic hair clippings for his collection.

We should start asking why he hates women and Jews, considering he shits on every Sony Spider-Man movie and they're made by a woman (Amy Pascal) and a Jew (Avi Arad).

Spoiler

It's because he's a Nazi.

Oh come now, that sort of exaggeration and hyperbole is needlessly cruel and hurtful. You might hurt some poor nazi's feelings comparing them to Bob.

 

[Pokemonquistador]

And this is supposed to counter his point instead of reinforcing it how?
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For the last time, Bob, your ancestor did not trip, he was PUSHED off after his fellow passengers received a premonition that someday, YOU would be one of Tripping Boy's descendants. They were just trying to prevent the birth of a hot air spewing, genocide-advocating homunculous who would fool a lot of pathetic people into giving him Patreon Bux.

 

[Gordon Cole]

Cow crossover with Lindsay Ellis, where Bob ruins The Simpsons and Leonard Nimoy.

Yeah, sometimes this gig sucks harder than usual.

 

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Yeah, sometimes this gig sucks harder than usual.
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Ignoring that he's jumping to conclusions before the story is even fully developed (again), that logic is idiotic. If somebody dies in, say, police custody, you don't charge people all the way up the ladder until you're suing a supreme court justice.