Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Why is the production and lead-up of IX so "leaky" compared to the previous sequel movies? The whole plot and many of the subplots are laid out before us in detail, and it's still many months until theatrical release.
I don't think it actually is, I think there's just more 'leaks' and discussion of them because of fan/media interest. Prior to TLJ, the worst people thought Disney Star Wars could get was a boring retread of the previous trilogy (for example, just look at how badly this thread's sub-title has aged), now the entire IP is resting on one movie's success. Solo's production issues got a lot more attention and coverage than Rogue One's, and while I think part of that is because Disney literally fired the directors instead of just forcing lengthy reshoots on the project, I think a large part of it is that Solo came out after TLJ when Disney Star Wars was no longer perceived as this unstoppable juggernaut.
 
I don't think it actually is, I think there's just more 'leaks' and discussion of them because of fan/media interest. Prior to TLJ, the worst people thought Disney Star Wars could get was a boring retread of the previous trilogy (for example, just look at how badly this thread's sub-title has aged), now the entire IP is resting on one movie's success. Solo's production issues got a lot more attention and coverage than Rogue One's, and while I think part of that is because Disney literally fired the directors instead of just forcing lengthy reshoots on the project, I think a large part of it is that Solo came out after TLJ when Disney Star Wars was no longer perceived as this unstoppable juggernaut.
I would also think IX also had kinda production problems when Colin Trevorrow dropped out in 2017 following creative disputes with Kennedy and only brought back JJ to replace him. Now I can’t remember when the initial start date for production was, but I could imagine it was pushed back to August 2018 since JJ presumably order rewrites on the film. The film’s principal photography lasted from August 2018 to February 2019. Now, of course reshoots are normal, but IX’s reshoots are different because they are being done for two months and three months away from release, and there hasn’t been any big news nor excitement from people. Now we could get something out of D23, but I doubt it’d be big.
 
Look who made the finals.

So the first novel that's supposed to serve as tie-in for the GE park finally got released (which should've been the case months ago instead of waiting after to introduce "fans" to the lore of your shitty park), and it seems its not doing too hot. Only "hype" or attention it seem to be getting is due in part to mega Disney shill Star Wars Explained and his fanbase. The book is titled Crash of Fate and reviews seem to be mixed. I talked about this book before months ago around April I think and that it was about some kid who meets an old female friend of his who has become an experienced adventurer and smuggler and she has to save his ass. Characters are Izzy and Jules and the book is like the second Thrawn novel in that it serves a tour guide and advertisement for the park with a very generic love story that ends with Jules falling in love with the heroic and "badass" Izzy. The book also reveals the name of the company that makes Coca-Cola and that the Black Spire (the small black rock in the park that you'd never notice (next to the statue)) is basically their god (they don't even put some kind of protective thing around it or a small shrine or something?) with the planet's common saying being “May the spire keep you.” As part of a tie-in with the book or some kind of promotional event, the park's Datapad (the app for your mobile phone if you want to know what the fuck anything is in the park) has been updated with new info, including info on Coca-Cola's origins and the names of all the droids in the park...

For starters (boy this is gonna give me a headache) Coca-Cola is produced on the planet Mygeeto, and for those who don't remember, Mygeeto is the snowy city planet from Revenge of the Sith. Mygeeto was the home planet of the Lurmen (the lemur people from Filoni Wars) and a Lurman named Jat Kaa "found" Coca-Cola, Sprite, Dasani and Diet Coke and mass-produced them... His drinks became the tastiest and most popular beverages in the galaxy and with that he created his own company called Jat Kaa's Coolers... Everybody loves them... And it is absolutely canon that tourists love these and green soy m;lk so you can't say no to them. Boy you can just feel Disney pocketing that sweet product placement money. To think Redditors thought Coca-Cola was the one begging Disney for representation.

Got some bittersweet news though. GE is indeed flopping and even FOX isn't hiding it, but it means employees will be getting their hours cut even more despite already going through cuts or having been let go.
Well i was going to burn the park down along with my fellow droids (do not disrespect our lord and savior, Skippy) but it sounds like Disney beat me to it.

I get the "lizard people" theory now, because it sure does sound like nobody involved here has ever been around a human.
 
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Sorry, it's gonna be a long one...
the search for C-3PO's lost right leg (seriously) and how it contains his memories from the prequel-era and which also hold secret data relating to another macguffin that's meant to help out the Resistance.
This is pretty fucking dumb, even considering what franchise we talk about.

If the Star Wars IP is the Invisible Hand, who is General Grievous? ;)

The fans that embraced shittalking the franchise under Disney instead of clinging to fading nostalgia and desperation, I'd say.
But George Lucas, Mark Hamill or maybe Harrison Ford are good choices either.

IX will have its own "speeder" scene like in ROTJ for max nostalgia except its speeders are said to be "cooler and more dangerous" as the speeders for IX will be called "Treadspeeders" and true to their name they have treads on their front for some reason despite being hover vehicles.
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Is this some Mad Max influence? I guess the guy who designed the atrocious flimsy speeders in TLJ is really fond of the "awkwardly rides on a stick" design. Snowspeeders and those speeder-bikes are iconic, this design might not be utter shit, but it pales in comparison and it's just JJ's usual approach to lift a concept from a far superior source and then change it a tiny bit, just to make it look a bit different and claim it as a new invention.
I swear to god, in the non-clown-world timeline, JJ Abrams works for The Asylum.

Galaxy's Edge may actually close down and be rebranded! The absolute fucking state of Disney Wars. The news has started circulating after Twitter user Kslone, whose son is an employee at the park and has released accurate and verifiable info before (including the wage cuts for employees which is only now reaching the MSM), revealed during an angered (but now deleted) rant in regards to the working conditions for her son, that if the park doesn't see an increase in attendance by February that it will be fully restructured and rebranded which is something I fucking said would happen months ago! Bow down and kiss my thorax ye naysayers!
Oh god, this would be so amazing . . . but I doubt it's going to happenthat quickly.
I could imagine that if the situation doesn't improve by February, that they might start a very vague and general planning phase to see what they could do with a rebranding and set another date to see if visitor numbers stabilize or improve. If that date passes without an increase (or worse still, a decrease), they might plan a little more tangible.
I would assume even in the worst case scenario, it would take them quite some time, possibly years, to officially close down GE and rebuilt it into Agraba or whatever.

I am apreciating the leaks though, it’s like watching a multibillion dollar train wreck in slow motion.

ftfy

If the time travel retcon thing happens: there may be a double dip within the new time frame of 7-9. But, I doubt it will have anything to do with Skywalkers going forward. I think their story is told and would seem (even more)pointless...

I think Disney is just going to go off and do whatever with new characters.
I wouldn't put it past JJ and Disney to not only retcon 7-9, they might actually retcon Anakin's life entirely and thus retcon all the movies.
Would be absolutely stupid, it's much safer to only retcon the ST, but you know... Disney hasn't been smart about any of this, and erasing the Skywalkers entirely might seem like the best way to start with a blank slate on their franchise reboot for the next trilogy.
As usual, I really hope they go for the most fucked up thing, just to enjoy the salt that would result from that.

I fucking hate the way Kennedy and Disney have handled this mess so far. But, the one thing I agree with them on: they need to eventually do their own thing with the franchise...
This "the franchise is too Skywalker-centred" broohaha was made up entirely in the wake of TLJ, to praise it for doing away with a problem the movie itself invented.
They could have gone a million different ways with their characters and make Luke an important character that helped save the galaxy at a crucial time, but still he could be just one important Jedi in a long history of important and powerful Jedi. The whole trilogy could still be about someone else rising to power with the Force.
Luke was an important character in the OT and the ST explains the origins of his father, that makes the Skywalkers the focal point of those narratives, but there was nothing stopping the movie makers from going any other way without making such a fuss about it.

Why is Lucasfilm so desperate to make her the next beloved character by putting her in every new piece of media? She's fucking dead and she was more of a hindrance/antagonist if anything.

I like how the image implies that they all work together to support Rey, when the plots surrounding Poe and Holdo as well as Finn and Rose are entirely pointless within the context of Rey's plot and they barely have any interactions in 2 movies (hell, 2 of these characters only existed in one of the movies).

Other than that I got no more news and spoilers to share other than a bunch of pointless droid names at Galaxy's Edge. But I do have something worth noting that I was recently told about... For those of you who might not remember who Jake Lunt Davies is, he's the new creature, ship and droid designer for Disney Wars and the monster responsible for BB-8, the Porgs, the casino aliens, the giant penis worm lady and so many other generic scifi horrors. Anyway, I recently found out the possible reason why there are no familiar aliens or droids in Star Wars anymore other than donut steals. Apparently Jake designs his creatures with emphasis on "realism" in other words some of the new aliens in the movies are actually his attempts at updating old aliens or simply wanting to do them his own way. For example:
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This shitty not-Ithorian knockoff was called an "Ottegan" by Pablo Hidalgo but the original design for it, promotional cards and even the 3D models that Jake offered to EA for Battlefront had it labeled "Ithorian" (and "Ithorian Theologian") because a human mouth made more sense apparently. Its the same with so many other aliens, like the fat slug guys in the casino which are actually his attempt at "updating" hutts and the "bravaisians" are actually his attempt at "fixing" the Kubaz species. Because of this, I also found out why nu-Lucasfilm and Matt Martin are so hesitant to re-introduce Bothans, and its because Jake wanted to make his own version of Bothans. Remember those earless horse-dog guys from TFA and TLJ? Like the one supreme chancellor who got blown up in TFA? Well that's what a Bothan is now or at least Jake wanted them to be.
I think, if you looked up "hubris" in the Merriam Webbster Dictionary, you'll find that info as an example right under the image of Ruin Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy.
The asshat's idea of making them "more realistic" actually just makes them a lot more awkward or sometimes outright disgusting looking. Point in case that mouth on the not-ithorian. That mouth looks like something straight out of Berserk, I halfway expect a closeup of it chewing on a member of the band of the hawk.
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This "the franchise is too Skywalker-centred" broohaha was made up entirely in the wake of TLJ, to praise it for doing away with a problem the movie itself invented.
They could have gone a million different ways with their characters and make Luke an important character that helped save the galaxy at a crucial time, but still he could be just one important Jedi in a long history of important and powerful Jedi. The whole trilogy could still be about someone else rising to power with the Force.
Luke was an important character in the OT and the ST explains the origins of his father, that makes the Skywalkers the focal point of those narratives, but there was nothing stopping the movie makers from going any other way without making such a fuss about it.

Eh, I wouldn't say it was a new issue. The "Skywalker-centered" stuff was a big reason why the EU became a mess. Constantly trying to create relevancy to the OT characters(and their orbiters). It was running those characters into the dirt...

With that said, Disney has done a terrible job transitioning from the OT characters to new ones. Specifically, how Luke was handled and character assasinated. Leia and Han were both handled with some reverence(in the films). But, Luke was a complete misfire...

I do agree that Disney would have been better off jumping forward. But, it was kind of a catch 22: if they didn't address the OT characters, fans would have sperged about it until they did. No matter the quality to episide 9, I just hope its a definitive ending to the Skywalker stuff...

We have had five live action projects from Disney: only the sixth one(a streaming TV show) seems to be a clean break of the OT characters. Even that will probably lean on OT iconography....
 
Here's some more news and spoiler shit for the day. A recent promotional photo, supposedly of the gang on the muslim planet saving C-3PO. This may be related to one of the leaks, specifically the one about one of the macguffins, the search for C-3PO's lost right leg (seriously) and how it contains his memories from the prequel-era and which also hold secret data relating to another macguffin that's meant to help out the Resistance.
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IX will have its own "speeder" scene like in ROTJ for max nostalgia except its speeders are said to be "cooler and more dangerous" as the speeders for IX will be called "Treadspeeders" and true to their name they have treads on their front for some reason despite being hover vehicles.
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They will be used by the First Order. There will also be a "hero speeder" for the Resistance but nothing is known about it other than it will have a completely new design.

Despite GoT's D&D working for Disney now, they've apparently started doing something with Netflix too.

Here is another pic from inside the Kylo Ren ride's long line inside the Resistance cave. Its not much.
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For those who just got here, I posted other pics from inside the ride before, including the animatronic troopers and a full description of the map, layout and ride sequences with a few pics starting somewhere around page 550 I think.

And here's the big hitter-

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Galaxy's Edge may actually close down and be rebranded! The absolute fucking state of Disney Wars. The news has started circulating after Twitter user Kslone, whose son is an employee at the park and has released accurate and verifiable info before (including the wage cuts for employees which is only now reaching the MSM), revealed during an angered (but now deleted) rant in regards to the working conditions for her son, that if the park doesn't see an increase in attendance by February that it will be fully restructured and rebranded which is something I fucking said would happen months ago! Bow down and kiss my thorax ye naysayers!
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But in all seriousness, I can't believe how this is all turning out. Its as if this thread is a window to the Twilight Zone or something.

Most insulting part of this is that if the park flops it will be rebranded into fucking Aladdin Land based on the live-action film and its future sequels.

Wow, less than a year and the damn thing might be closed and turned into fucking ALADDIN land of all things?

This is a blunder for the history books, ladies and gentlemen, Disney fucked up the most sure thing in the history of entertainment, it's incredible.
 
How does that work though with Aladdin land? What happens to the Resistance ride? Surely, they can't just eat that?

Do they just cut galaxys edge in half? I just can't imagine they will just turn the whole thing over. How close are the rides, the millennium falcon to each other? Cause if its converting the shops and restaurants. Thats actually a great idea....
 
I don't think anything will ever beat Heaven's Gate or Factory Records (though the second one at least produced a lot of great music).

But never before has such a sure thing gone so horribly wrong.

This is the future we have to look forward to if SJWs seize control of everything, they will literally usher in the apocalypse, if they ruined Star Wars, they'll ruin everything.
 
How does that work though with Aladdin land? What happens to the Resistance ride? Surely, they can't just eat that?

Do they just cut galaxys edge in half? I just can't imagine they will just turn the whole thing over. How close are the rides, the millennium falcon to each other? Cause if its converting the shops and restaurants. Thats actually a great idea....
It takes about 5 minutes to circle the park and around 8 minutes to see inside most places briefly. Everything's pretty close together.
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The Kylo Ren ride might simply end up being made into its own thing though separate from Aladdin since its far enough that it could be considered a small area of its own.
 
Given the aesthetics you can't help but wonder if Aladdin was always plan B, but why not make it Tatooine? Unless it's a rights issue of course.

Honestly, I bash SJWs but it's sounds like Lucas might be the main person to blame for this clusterfuck, either sell the whole ip or don't sell it at all, this half and half business has turned into a total disaster (not that SJW culture has helped matters)
 
It takes about 5 minutes to circle the park and around 8 minutes to see inside most places briefly. Everything's pretty close together.
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The Kylo Ren ride might simply end up being made into its own thing though separate from Aladdin since its far enough that it could be considered a small area of its own.
Is the lion share, of the money spent, the Kylo ride?

Cause, I'm thinking this whole park was designed around that one ride...
 
It’d be something if the Aladdin park ends up doing better than Galaxy’s Edge, since the live action film (which I honestly thought was enjoyable) was a surprise hit.
 
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Given the aesthetics you can't help but wonder if Aladdin was always plan B, but why not make it Tatooine? Unless it's a rights issue of course.

Honestly, I bash SJWs but it's sounds like Lucas might be the main person to blame for this clusterfuck, either sell the whole ip or don't sell it at all, this half and half business has turned into a total disaster (not that SJW culture has helped matters)
No, I'm sorry, but even if Lucas kept a hand on the reins, there's still no excuse for Disney to fuck up this badly. Because...

Eh, I wouldn't say it was a new issue. The "Skywalker-centered" stuff was a big reason why the EU became a mess. Constantly trying to create relevancy to the OT characters(and their orbiters). It was running those characters into the dirt...

That's what a lot of people remember about the EU, but it's not true. For just one example, the Dark Forces video game series didn't have any major star wars characters involved in its story until the 3rd one, relying only on the secondary ones. KOTR also proved the viability of SW outside the Skywalkers. Because at some point during the creation of the EU, they started to realize the problem @Ihavetinyweewee pointed out and kept trying to push stories beyond the core 3. Heck, the legend of Skippy (peace be upon him) involves only one of the core trio at the very very end.

And as I said before, Disney could look at all of this and learn from it to better create their own sequel trilogy story independent of the rights.

Or - you know - if they want to do something that bad, create something new. SW was made when Lucas couldn't get the rights to Buck Rogers. (or whatever pulp serial it was) What if Disney had a visionary who did their own thing when they couldn't get the rights to SW? It might have been... ORIGINAL!

The saying goes: "A camel is a horse designed by committee." Well the sequel trilogy shows us a movie trilogy designed by committee.
 
Over in Central FL overheard some coworkers discussing reax to the WDW one, apparently cast / family tests are running.
"that's all?" and "where's [original trilogy characters/settings]?"
also "I thought there was supposed to be droids or characters or something"
 
Given the aesthetics you can't help but wonder if Aladdin was always plan B, but why not make it Tatooine? Unless it's a rights issue of course.

Honestly, I bash SJWs but it's sounds like Lucas might be the main person to blame for this clusterfuck, either sell the whole ip or don't sell it at all, this half and half business has turned into a total disaster (not that SJW culture has helped matters)
To be frank, I think George did the right thing. I mean have you seen the new content featuring the OT gang Disney has produced in the comics and new novels? Not only does it make the Ewok comics look like the works of Mark Twain, but the only thing stopping the woke writers from making Han Solo troon out is the fact that he exists as is in TFA.
Is the lion share, of the money spent, the Kylo ride?
From what I understand, the ride cost almost as much as the park. And there's two parks and two rides. Each park cost around 1.4 billion to make. So I guess both of the rides must've cost around or over 600,000,000 each and in total 1.2 billion or less.

I'm not exactly sure how much money went into the different parts of the park, but I do know that the A-1000 animatronics used at the park (which are Disney's second most articulate robots after the Avatar A-1000 one but with even more functions) cost somewhere around or over 10 million dollars each. The Hondo (pirate) and Nien Nub animatronics are A-1000s, and supposedly the Dok Ondar and the Kylo Ren animatronics for his ride (of which there are supposedly 3) are also A-1000s along with an unknown animatronic that will be in the waiting line of the Kylo Ren ride. The nu-troopers and Resistance animatronics in the ride are apparently the old A-100s which are more limited in movement but cheaper. However I don't know the cost of the A-100s. But considering that the majority of the animatronics are in the Kylo Ren ride and it will feature a new and expensive special effects technology for the park (which I went into detail before when discussing every detail of the ride, just search the thread for Rise of the Resistance and AT-ATs), the ride is probably the most expensive part of the park. It also has a giant TV screen in the docking bay.
 
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To be frank, I think George did the right thing. I mean have you seen the new content featuring the OT gang Disney has produced in the comics and new novels? Not only does it make the Ewok comics look like the works of Mark Twain, but the only thing stopping the woke writers from making Han Solo troon out is the fact that he exists as is in TFA.

From what I understand, the ride cost almost as much as the park. And there's two parks and two rides. Each park cost around 1.4 billion to make. So I guess both of the rides must've cost around or over 600,000,000 each and in total 1.2 billion or less.

I'm not exactly sure how much money went into the different parts of the park, but I do know that the A-1000 animatronics used at the park (which are Disney's second most articulate robots after the Avatar A-1000 one but with even more functions) cost somewhere around or over 10 million dollars each. The Hondo (pirate) and Nien Nub animatronics are A-1000s, and supposedly the Dok Ondar and the Kylo Ren animatronics for his ride (of which there are supposedly 3) are also A-1000s along with an unknown animatronic that will be in the waiting line of the Kylo Ren ride. The nu-troopers and Resistance animatronics in the ride are apparently the old A-100s which are more limited in movement but cheaper. However I don't know the cost of the A-100s. But considering that the majority of the animatronics are in the Kylo Ren ride and it will feature a new and expensive special effects technology for the park (which I went into detail before when discussing every detail of the ride, just search the thread for Rise of the Resistance and AT-ATs), the ride is probably the most expensive part of the park. It also has a giant TV screen in the docking bay.
So how much money is Disney probably going to make on Galaxy’s Edge then?
 
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