Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[OgreSan]

I never donated to the campaign. I admit I'm one of the people that is disappointed by the Judge's reaction to this case. Of course, his history suggests this should have been foreseen. Cancel culture seems to be here to stay, and it's really a shame that all it takes to lose your entire career of many years is to refuse to bow down a guy like Chris Sabat.

Still hoping that Toei nopes out of Funimation's corner and goes with a different studio soon.

 

[Random Internet Person]

This is the most terrifying #MeToo in the history of its nonsense so far, and as it goes deeper into an unwinnable battle, I start fearing the day autistic spergs start murdering their accusers like Ty Beard said, making things even worse.

Western society is doomed.

How long before that happens and everything burns? Last one out, turn off the light. We’ll come back once the flames die to rebuild on the ashes...if the earth isn’t salted that is.

That's what appeals are for. The only hope is that Vic keeps his support base and doesn't an hero himself from the pressure. I can see those dipshits trying to push on to have that shit happen.

That’s a worry for months. And it’s only gonna get worse. I think the win is Vic even getting this far. Maybe the tweets are him trying to put on a happy face.

The only end I see for all this is a new case called All Current and Former Employees of Funimation V Funimation.

Yeah......no. Sabat has a vice grip on that scene, so it’ll be Chuck vs an army.

Look at it this way...

We've seen no evidence from the opposing side and we've witnessed firsthand how they act. Chupp himself seemed very apathetic about the whole case from the start and even if he decides to drop the remaining charges, they can and will most likely be appealed. Vic's war chest is continuously being replenished and it's evident he has more supporters than Kickvic does. It may take some time but it would be foolish to assume this whole fiasco is over with just this loss.

If anything, the weeb wars have dealt plenty enough damage to Vic's accusers and it seems unlikely to stop. Marchie might have walked away but she'll still be known as the woman who "wanted his head and balls" or was hoping some minor would get raped to give them credence. Monica's made a complete and utter jackass of herself and Soye can never unprivatize his tweets because he was outted as a domestic abuser. Not only that but Funimation as a whole has been exposed as a corrupt cesspit that plays host to a newborn Harvey Weinstein.

Needless to say, there will be plenty more drama to look forward to in the following months...

Yeah right. It’s Internet drama, and the longer it goes, the more you look like you refuse to let things die.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Hey, all this talk about the Judge's motives is cute but perhaps a little ill considered.

On the one hand, we know very little about what happened. Everything is through the lens of a KickVic crony. At some level, we're reacting to their propaganda and the way they framed the conversation. They are all ideologically motivated liars who want us triggered and acting in ways where they can point fingers.

This matters because, on the other hand, the Judge is still considering 5 causes of action. How does it affect the case if he's suddenly being scrutinized on the Farms? I'm not sure, but I do know Judges despise those who attack the legal process itself. Can't think of a single positive to come from him feeling exposed or unfairly criticized himself.

What about keeping our sights on the prize? I invested time and money in VicKicksBack because I saw someone being wronged and wanted him to have a chance to pursue justice. Nothing happened yesterday that changes that. There are still several causes for action before the court and I want to see those through to the end. Whatever may come of it.

I will say this about the Judge. He's a Judge being a Judge, and sometimes that means being a hard ass. Put yourself in his shoes for a minute, he hasn't been immersed in all this the way we have for the last 9 months. He got thousands of pages of evidence (including a ton of Tweets that are hard to sift through) and had to reach some conclusions. It's not an easy job and he deserves credit for putting up with the storm of bullshit that was put before him.

If he reached the wrong conclusions, fine. Appeals are common in TCPA cases and I have zero problem funding that as well. It's also possible the Judge reached legitimate conclusions based on what was put before him and that's fine as well. Despite the criticisms of Ty Beard, I trust him to have a level head and determine what will float on appeal and what won't.

But, seriously, think about Vic. Let's not snatch defeat from the jaws of a minor victory. Prevailing on Defamation would still be extremely good and Ron, Monica and Funimation are still in legal jeopardy on those counts.

 

[Girlboy69]

Could the affidavits or amended unsworn declarations be used in an appeal?

 

[Commander]

I doubt the internet presence affect Chupp at all. KV and ISWV aren't in the lawsuit and only funding it and watching. But I do agree with @Ivan Shatov that we shouldn't let ut get us down. This actually allows Nick to talk about a lot of different aspects of law instead of making fun of twitter. Kind of sucks he disappeared for a little bit when Twitter probably needed him. The weebs in this are way too gullible. One setback and the case is lost.

Perhaps this is a blessing in disguise. Let them celebrate and gloat while the rest of us learn from are overconfidence. Perhaps ISWV will have less people pushing back and arguing. And maybe it'll help everyone be focused. Just don't let this get you worked up. As I said before, it happens. Make up all the excuses you want, it's not going to change what happened.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

I doubt the internet presence affect Chupp at all. KV and ISWV aren't in the lawsuit and only funding it and watching. But I do agree with @Ivan Shatov that we shouldn't let ut get us down. This actually allows Nick to talk about a lot of different aspects of law instead of making fun of twitter. Kind of sucks he disappeared for a little bit when Twitter probably needed him. The weebs in this are way too gullible. One setback and the case is lost.

Perhaps this is a blessing in disguise. Let them celebrate and gloat while the rest of us learn from are overconfidence. Perhaps ISWV will have less people pushing back and arguing. And maybe it'll help everyone be focused. Just don't let this get you worked up. As I said before, it happens. Make up all the excuses you want, it's not going to change what happened.

Thanks @Commander. I'd say back it's best not to tempt fate and good advice for people to stay focused.

Look at this from a media perspective.

A couple weeks ago, we had the VAs and Funimation on the ropes with talk about casting couches, wife beating, pedophelia, destroying IP, Toei pulling out and more. Now they are celebrating a legal 'victory' very loudly and people are forgetting what they did.

KickVic's goal is to turn Vic into Maddox. They want to dominate the media landscape so no one can talk about this suit without laughing about how stupid he is. They would have been happy for him to Minecraft himself, now they want him to be a morality tale to all who would challenge their version of events.

Think about that for a second. Should they be allowed to get away with that?

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

While playing the analytical game when it comes to Chupp is a terrible idea presently........

There's nothing stopping anyone from digging up more dirt on Funi and the funky bunch.
The resulting shitstorm would be glorious. I still feel like the best tard cum came from them being scared when stuff started going public.
Even if the case gets chucked imagine how unhinged they'd get thinking more secrets could be revealed and not just to help the lawsuit along.

 

[Allanon]

I said a day or two ago that WeebWars had gotten spoiled and expected immediate results, so I'm not surprised they lose morale that easily as well. Even if all of the TCPA would have been thrown out, the defendants would have just spent the next x time trying to appeal, and nothing new would happen until Ty could wrangle discovery out of them.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

While playing the analytical game when it comes to Chupp is a terrible idea presently........

There's nothing stopping anyone from digging up more dirt on Funi and the funky bunch.
The resulting shitstorm would be glorious. I still feel like the best tard cum came from them being scared when stuff started going public.
Even if the case gets chucked imagine how unhinged they'd get thinking more secrets could be revealed and not just to help the lawsuit along.

Yes.

One thing we learned yesterday: presentation matters.

It's not enough to just 'reveal' dirt about Funimation and the VAs. It needs to be packaged in a form that can be easily communicated, understood without much effort, and will stand out despite mountains of Internet bullshit.

Here's a fun exercise: find Ron's Tweet where he said 100s of VAs are coming out about Vic. I clearly remember the Tweet but wasn't able to find it after 5 minutes of searching.

That's the problem and it's always been the problem. The worst of what they do gets buried under layers of noise. All the posts in the world don't fix that, we need a better instrument.

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

You know, I had a sinking feeling back on that Nick/Ty livestream where Ty mentioned he uses a CPAP. I guess it really was a bad omen.

 

[Random Internet Person]

It’s been rough. Might poke my head in, but I’m clocking out for a day of college football.

 

[doctorofhands1]

Cor Blimey not been around for a few days and everyone is up in arms against the Judge.

Listen, if you have been lurking around since the start (Only started talking recently), you would know that a fair few Kiwis thought Vic was guilty, but then changed their tune after a lack of evidence (unlike some special guys over at PULL).

Now with that in mind, I said it about Chris and I will say it about Chupp: Not everyone is involved in an autistic level of passion, and doesn't know about the whole case, such as the causes behind it, even if portions are presented. In Chupp's position he has had to deal with back and fourths between the parties squabbling about little things, given huge documents thousands of pages long, and all arguing about technicalities. You mean to tell me that you would not be miffed at that?

When it comes to law, your gonna lose a fair bit. Defamation cases aren't a slam dunk, and you are indeed challenging the first amendment by principle, even if it's supposed to be seperate, as Jamie's Lawyer has shown.

As amazing as a outright cleancut victory would be in the case, the odds are not that high surprisingly. We are now in the mud wrestling it out. Neither side in reality, regardless of your morality and perception, is deemed certainly to prevail.

However don't let reality get you down all too much. Do think about the perception of it all. Look at what has come out of the closet about these people. All this information. It's a Kiwi's haven. Toei are not going to be happy about funimation and their staff are going to think twice about doing this again when it dies down.

In the end, we need to remember the difference between Reality and Delusion. Delusion is #BelieveAllWomen. Delusion is assuming this case will be a clean victory and we can sue everyone saying mean things about Vic. Delusion is Twitter. Reality is that Vic is innocent of the claims but your not going to win every battle, and getting too involved with these matters makes you switch off to where you fall.

 

[Svetlana]

Off topic, but: @Svetlana hope Vic is holding up okay. Must've been a rough day. What's your and Vic's impression of Ty now? Either way, let Vic know there are still a lot of people who have his back. God bless you guys.

Vic's doing well. Of course, yesterday did not go as expected, but the reasons are becoming more clear by the minute. Ty didn't have his best day, but it ain't over. Chupp being unfamiliar with the evidentiary rules of an anti-SLAPP hearing was something that could not have been foreseen, and Ty feeling like it was a Twilight Zone episode is understandable given that. We get up, we brush off, we plan for what's next. There's no crying in baseball. Thank you for checking in!

 

[BimWitted]

Vic's doing well. Of course, yesterday did not go as expected, but the reasons are becoming more clear by the minute. Ty didn't have his best day, but it ain't over. Chupp being unfamiliar with the evidentiary rules of an anti-SLAPP hearing was something that could not have been foreseen, and Ty feeling like it was a Twilight Zone episode is understandable given that. We get up, we brush off, we plan for what's next. There's no crying in baseball. Thank you for checking in!

Thanks for letting us know how Vic is. I only speak for myself of course, but I'm on his side, and hope whatever happens he'll be okay.

 

[TheClappening]

Vic's doing well. Of course, yesterday did not go as expected, but the reasons are becoming more clear by the minute. Ty didn't have his best day, but it ain't over. Chupp being unfamiliar with the evidentiary rules of an anti-SLAPP hearing was something that could not have been foreseen, and Ty feeling like it was a Twilight Zone episode is understandable given that. We get up, we brush off, we plan for what's next. There's no crying in baseball. Thank you for checking in!

Not asking for specifics, but if thing go worst case (all causes dismissed) is Vic considering appeals?

 

[theworstkindofeurofag]

Vic's doing well. Of course, yesterday did not go as expected, but the reasons are becoming more clear by the minute. Ty didn't have his best day, but it ain't over. Chupp being unfamiliar with the evidentiary rules of an anti-SLAPP hearing was something that could not have been foreseen, and Ty feeling like it was a Twilight Zone episode is understandable given that. We get up, we brush off, we plan for what's next. There's no crying in baseball. Thank you for checking in!

Thank you for the info. From what I've heard, this was partially the judge treating this as an evidentiary hearing and partially Ty being very unprepared. I just think it's odd that Ty presented himself as a wargamer that's prepared for everything and then it turns out he wasn't prepared for something like this at all. I am genuinely curious: has Vic thought about changing counsel? Or hiring additional counsel? Am not wowed by ty anymore, although I like him as a person.

 

[Girlboy69]

Thanks for letting us know how Vic is. I only speak for myself of course, but I'm on his side, and hope whatever happens he'll be okay.

Personally, I want to see Vic win, but I'm also just here to keep up with the shitshow with Funi. Hoping more leaks come out.

 

[Allanon]

Thank you for the info. From what I've heard, this was partially the judge treating this as an evidentiary hearing and partially Ty being very unprepared. I just think it's odd that Ty presented himself as a wargamer that's prepared for everything and then it turns out he wasn't prepared for something like this at all. I am genuinely curious: has Vic thought about changing counsel? Or hiring additional counsel? Am not wowed by ty anymore, although I like him as a person.

I still don't get that response, because blaming Ty for not being prepared for an evidentiary hearing at a TCPA hearing is like blaming a boy scout for not being prepared for alien invasion when he's at a sleepover. There's no reason Ty should have been prepared to present evidence far in excess of the TCPA requirements, and the fact that Chupp utterly ignored the fact that defendants refused to comply on discovery even before stay is all the more baffling. Also switching in new counsel at this point would probably be more harmful to Vic, because they'd need to completely get up to speed, and the GFM funds would become moot (that's going to an IOLTA for BHBH, not just 'any old counsel').

 

[Moguro Fukuzou]

I'm glad the thread has slowed down after yesterday, much easier to keep up with. I'm also upset at how it went yesterday but there's little I can personally do about the situation nor does it really affect me, so it isn't worth worrying about.

Curious as to where this thread will go since I think we have either reached or will reach soon an actual dry spell in content to talk about unless you go looking for hot takes from literal who's on twitter.

Personally, I want to see Vic win, but I'm also just here to keep up with the shitshow with Funi. Hoping more leaks come out.

I'm also hoping more comes out about Funi because they seem to be where a lot of this awful attitude and people have gathered at. They would have to clean house before I'd every really grab anything again from them not second hand.

 

[Mister Y]

Curious as to where this thread will go (...)

Normally, someone will say "now things will slow down until the judge rules on the remaining elements" and then something exceptionnal will happen.