Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Lioness]

I actually chose to fix that nightmare tooth thing:
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Not the greatest edit (200+ hours in paint.net), but a shitload better looking with a half-mask for it.

The whole point of this thing's original design is that all its senses are located in its mouth, so it needs its teeth bared or mouth open to see. It would be blind with this half-mask. This is also just... entirely too weeby for SW. I just hope you're joking about how long this took you. Try out programs like GIMP or a free version of SAI or Clip Studio Paint.

 

[Jaimas]

Just wanted to ask why the hell are people going all "Only nerds care about continuity and consistency and rules in a movie about space wizards" all of a sudden? These people don't realise they are saying it's okay to break the rules of previous continuity and invent shit on the fly and to not call it out. This is referring to of course the force healing ability in TROS that wasn't established in any of the other movies.

It's from the same wellspring from which "gamer entitlement" flows. They believe that you should just shut the fuck up and blindly swallow whatever pablum they offer you and be grateful for it, even though what they're pedding is trash.

Hilariously, it's almost entirely projection; they do it because they are, in fact, the most entitled people on the planet. They feel they're entitled to a fanbase and economic success without working for it and believe they are owed it by weight of them being the right-thinking people.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

i think many average SW fans feel this way. Even though being Anakin's padawan opens up a number of cans of worms, Ahsoka eventually comes around as a character who grows quite a bit during her Clone Wars run (and I'm not talking about anything beyond Season 5 or the new coming episodes; that's all crap, IMO).

No amount of character development was ever going to be worth four seasons of that squeaky-voiced teeny-bopper ordering around trained soldiers and waltzing away from encounters with much older, stronger, more experienced characters (Ventress, Grievous, Vizsla, etc) who by all rights should have easily killed her.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Hey look, it's Disney's ideal audience!

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Ideal audience? It's their actual fanbase.

 

[ZMOT]

KK is a lame duck. This is almost definitely why information security on Plan 9 imploded. No one cared about pissing off executives because they aren't worried about having their careers fucked with for the next few decades.

or they were smart enough to see the coming storm ahead and didn't care anymore having already lined up a new gig before the inevitable cleaning house happens.
also that kind of sabotage (I think there's a better word for it, can't think of it atm) rarely starts at the top. imagine being some low or even middle staff that actually cares enough about star wars and have that disaster evolve right before your eyes. office politics can be outright cancer even in the best companies, I don't even wanna imagine what it would look like when it's filled with "I'm so progressive and enlightened" tards where the tribulation of their life is getting their name spelled wrong on a starbucks cup.

So if you guys wanted to get a figure of your favorite star wars characters without the mouse getting his shekels, nows the time.

still want that mara jade and jaina kotobukiya figure, but I think that was somewhat limited even back then, so no chance (or haven't see it yet).

I thought it was a godawful idea that's been overplayed in movies since the dawn of time for ages now, and at the very least it was written terribly. I am genuinely surprised that people wouldn't enjoy a Luke who is exactly like he is at the end of ROTJ, just wiser. He can still have flaws, it's not like Luke was perfect in ROTJ. Have him be too trusting, indecisive, unwilling to do what must be done, and maybe even have a bit of his old bluster and arrogance shine through. After all, he is Anakin's son. But he can still be Luke.

because fans want to see what happena with the character and how he possibly dies. people change, a character that would look and behave 30/40/50 years later is a bit silly.
plus usually it happens years later when you have to accommodate the actors age and hopefully after the character had a good run. and even then you can still set it up as finding his spirit again or have him kick ass and go out in a blaze of glory as a last hurra.

I mean, just look at Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor in TPM. Despite goofy hairstyles and costumes that largely consisted of draped, undyed linen and brown woolen bathrobes, they made it work. In fact, they radiated "cool," whether in the form of Obi-Wan's ironic amusement at the madness transpiring all around him or Qui-Gon's invulnerable aura of purposeful serenity that carried him majestically from one scene to the next (the lightsabers didn't hurt, of course, but as we've seen with Ridley and Driver, lightsabers don't help much if you don't look like you know how to use them).

I never gave lucas shit for the prequels really, besides one thing: not having a whole qui-gon movie (or simply have anakin show up at the end and start his story later when he's a bit older).

 

[Jaimas]

No amount of character development was ever going to be worth four seasons of that squeaky-voiced teeny-bopper ordering around trained soldiers and waltzing away from encounters with much older, stronger, more experienced characters (Ventress, Grievous, Vizsla, etc) who by all rights should have easily killed her.

Those are all dumb moments, but none of them is as deal-breaking as her sheer overuse and the fact that she wound up causing the shelving of Shaak Ti.

How I would have handled her is much different: I would have given her much more time earlier (and not in a way where she was fighting the likes of the above) with more of the early series focusing on her early development, so as to maximize the impact of when she winds up getting screwed by the Jedi Council. That way when she is forced to leave, it has weight, elements of tragedy, and consequences, things that Disney Wars has apparently forgotten.

Rather than simply bring her back immedately, I'd have her go dark for a while, only to resurface later - her being exiled by the council ultimately leading to her surviving the extermination of the Jedi. You could do a lot with her afterwards, but my focus would actually have been on when the Empire falls - have her seek out the likes of Luke in an attempt to redeem herself and re-establish the Jedi in a world that no longer has them.

Hell, you could do so much with the ST concepts if you just swapped Rey out for Ahsoka under the way I just set up. Putting her under Luke's wing would have been a fantastic decision; he redeemed Vader, so he's sure as shit not going to turn her away for being screwed by politics. Hell, you could even do a thing because Togruta tied to the force are longer-lived, so she was around when Anakin was, and she could even the fact that Luke redeemed him as a path forward for herself.

It's really telling that a forum full of shitposting Autists can come up with better ideas than allegedly professional writers, but here we are.

 

[ZMOT]

But the whole "This completely reasonable ventilation shaft was ACSHULLY an intentional act of sabotage to let the Rebels win!" plotline just insulted my intelligence. No, of course the only reason they'd put a ventilation shaft into the side of a space station powered by a reactor as powerful as a small star was sabotage, it totally wasn't an understandable design decision.

think I commented on that before, when you're under constant surveillance because you didn't wanted to work on it to begin with and your wife gets killed during your job interview there's not much room for sabotage. one argument was it didn't have to go down all the way to the core or any critical systems, but you take what you can. it even gets reinforced in ANH kinda when they really had to analyze it under the new circumstances of having small fighters attack the death star (something iirc they didn't anticipate or think their cannon and support fleet would deal with). as a wee lad I took it more as the empire being stupid and too arrogant, so it works for me sans the stupid now.
plus what @Adamska said (should've read further before posting...)

ofc arguing about nitpicks like that doesn't really improve the movie (which when done properly would explain it in the movie itself or have it being more obvious to begin with, but there's the danger to make the villains look stupid), but still...

Especially considering they worked with Jedi whose entire bread and butter was diplomacy and healing, Jedi Consulars. So millenia of Consular knowledge was lost for 40 years,
then picked up again because Rey read some books for a few months?

but those books were no pageturnes, so what worthwhile information could they possibly contain? apparently they were so shit yoda burned them outright - or did he know rey stole them already and he just wanted to fuck with luke?

Please, we're all three nogs in by now.

not me, I'm still trying to get rid of that jim beam apple I bought to give it a spin, but it kinda tastes off with whatever I try it...

 

[AnOminous]

It's from the same wellspring from which "gamer entitlement" flows. They believe that you should just shut the fuck up and blindly swallow whatever pablum they offer you and be grateful for it, even though what they're pedding is trash.

Hilariously, it's almost entirely projection; they do it because they are, in fact, the most entitled people on the planet. They feel they're entitled to a fanbase and economic success without working for it and believe they are owed it by weight of them being the right-thinking people.

It's pretty simple. You are not ENTITLED to my money if you deliver a fucking turd. That is just how things work.

 

[Dom Cruise]

It's from the same wellspring from which "gamer entitlement" flows. They believe that you should just shut the fuck up and blindly swallow whatever pablum they offer you and be grateful for it, even though what they're pedding is trash.

Hilariously, it's almost entirely projection; they do it because they are, in fact, the most entitled people on the planet. They feel they're entitled to a fanbase and economic success without working for it and believe they are owed it by weight of them being the right-thinking people.

To be fair, I am somewhaaaaaaaaaat sympathetic to why that attitude has arisen, only somewhat.

Because there was a time in which nerds did become impossible to please and only wanted to shit on everything no matter the actual quality, see the Prequels, the anger over which in hindsight was maybe a little too harsh.

But now we've gone too far in the opposite direction, there's certainly a middle ground between being overly cynical and dismissing any and all valid criticism.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

Everyone remember when I Hate Everything deepthroated TLJ so hard he defended the very worst aspects of it? FFS he even defended them giving Rian Johnson complete control and his own trilogy without any merit.
Well, it seems like he's finally realized that the movie wasn't very good and actually outright hates TROS (largely because JJ had to take everything in an autistic new direction because Ruin did what he does and shat everything up).

So maybe now he's figuring out why people hated TLJ outside of the terrible writing. It basically took whatever interesting shit TFA contained and tossed it under a steamroller so that Johnson could indulge his fetish for subverting expectations and making "Divisive" movies.

Call me cynical, but when someone more or less says "I hope half of the people who see my movie hate it" I would probably fire him on the spot.
Fuck, if I was Disney the moment Ruin started trying to provoke the fans on Twitter and make everything demonstrably worse I would have told him "Either shut the fuck up or lawyer the fuck up!" and prepared to sue him for brand damage.
The movie was insulting enough, I don't need to potato shaped chode who wrote the crapfest to start insulting me because I thought his garbage movie was garbage. Even at the worst of the prequel hatred Lucas NEVER treated his fans like that. Even the ones screeching at him that he ruined Star Wars.

Apparently after the TLJ steamer was dropped on our chests it was so super cool of Disney to give a guy who'd never directed anything worthwhile outside of a few episodes of Breaking Bad complete control of a multi-billion dollar franchise and even his own trilogy despite the fact that TLJ hadn't even come out when Kuntleen Dumbfuckerdy decided to let him write and direct an entire trilogy. But now that TLJ has, predictably, ruined everything the previous movie established and forced an untalented hack like JewJew Kikeface to go into damage control and create some of the most childish fanfiction tier trash, NOW it's "What was Disney thinking?!"

Fucking hell.

 

[robobobo]

Someone needs to explain to me why weird cyborgs without heads are somehow supposed to appeal to the gay community.

 

[ZMOT]

- Have Kylo go through a negative character arc where he believes he is fighting for the right cause but over the course of the trilogy he descends into madness from realizing that he was actually not helping maintain a better galaxy. He could either just stick with Snoke but show reluctance towards his role as he has nothing left to lose or go completely insane that he betrayed everyone for nothing to contrast Vader's redemption and parallel Rey's arc in this theoretical ST with Kylo becoming more unhinged while Rey becomes more calm and collected.

Personally I would have just bit the bullet and made Kylo full on evil. Not this waffling emo bad boy stuff.

Unlike Anakin who embraced the dark side to save his family have Kylo just be a selfish power hungry egomaniac using the Force for his own benefit.

one thing I just noticed (never really thought of it before): why is kylo even the head of the first order? or why did he end up with snoke? it certainly never gets explained in the movies besides luke holding a lightsaber to his face. and even then you'd just go "dude wtf?" and not burn the whole academy down and try to murder your teacher forever?

can't wait for the sequel-prequels...

Was Phasma supposed to do anything because they proped her up to be important but completely ruined her in TLJ.

well, we like her because of her character and her actions...

I legit believe that Leia falling into darkness while the new Republic is subverted by the old regime would've made for a better trilogy.

that's actually not that bad... she has no training, so it could make sense. then have luke instead of trying to be vader from DE follow here there to redeem her.

>The only existing camrip has the watermark of "GetB8"
I really hate these watermarks over camrips these days. I know it's done to drum up business (1xBet did the same thing), but to see pirates doing that is really annoying to me since there's no merit in doing that and it isn't a security measure.

could be a scene-rip just re-encoded with the watermark. you see that a lot with certain asian rips, usually from china (and most of them being casinos and other shit)

They're trying to create the illusion that this is one of those situations where the audience loves a widely panned movie, and a lot of people, at least now, just look at RT scores and decide to go see something or not. I assume RT got a healthy infusion of cash for this obviously rigged bullshit. It doesn't even really matter how they did it. It could be as crude as they just assigned a number and went in and changed it manually.

which would be obivious when someone counts it via parser or something. more likely they shadowban every score that would change or simply not count it. but if they go through that much trouble and not having the score fluctuate to make it less obvious is kinda stupid. or it's as simple as @AGreatDipAtAFairPrice said.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

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Stop trying to get me to buy fucking shit you cheap joo rat.

 

[ZMOT]

To be fair, I am somewhaaaaaaaaaat sympathetic to why that attitude has arisen, only somewhat.

Because there was a time in which nerds did become impossible to please and only wanted to shit on everything no matter the actual quality, see the Prequels, the anger over which in hindsight was maybe a little too harsh.

But now we've gone too far in the opposite direction, there's certainly a middle ground between being overly cynical and dismissing any and all valid criticism.

they were always just a vocal minority tho, as bad as people shat on the prequels the whole material around it made shitload of bucks.
trading one vocal minority for another that doesn't even spend money doesn't make much sense, especially if it's all about the money.

Someone needs to explain to me why weird cyborgs without heads are somehow supposed to appeal to the gay community.

they still have their ass and dicks.

But you need to establish what the theme of the trilogy should be first before you start writing it out and not figure it while making it.

disney: we need to make shit that sells
KK: gotcha. what was the second thing?

 

[Adamska]

Someone needs to explain to me why weird cyborgs without heads are somehow supposed to appeal to the gay community.

Merely because they're gay and that's good enough for the people who don't consume anything but claim they do and shriek at those who highlight how bad it is. Ignore that they come off as mockery; just consume product you fucking sheep and wait for next product.

they still have their ass and dicks.

lol they actually don't; they can't fuck.

Now on to the ones that can. Forcing Tarkin to be Rohm (and then killing him), Aphra the space bitch (who actually hate crimes a good portion of the gay people), Biggs and Porkins (who are degenerate psychos who poop themselves due to loose butts and get killed), and so on...

Like I said; it's almost like Kennedy or some people on the "Story Group" hate gay people.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

About to finally watch the Korean sub with the fam. More wood to keep this pain train of a thread going until somebody gets fired or something.

On the Death Star plans, I seem to recall that the shaft is just one of 21 per pole on those things (the model shows multiple vents); that one just seems to be close to some critical machinery needed to prevent a rapid meltdown and explosion. It's a microscopic flaw that you need the plans of to even notice given how many vents there actually werre, and even then it was heavily defended, as were probably the other poles.

This guy put out a nice, short video explaining precisely that:

I wonder if Starkiller base was as well thought-out and designed by the time TFA came out.

Honestly my idea was to only vaguely allude to the extra-galactic threat in my hypothetical sequel trilogy in order to give whoever does the hypothetical sequel-sequel trilogy plenty of room to make their own story. It could be grey goo, I-cant-believe-its-not-cthulhu, warhammer 40k ripoffs, fucking dead space zombies, or anything thats different enough to star wars to prove an interesting contrast

I think this was touched on previously, but the reason the Vong hated technology was because their civilization was nearly wiped out by a Borg-like techno-collective. Probably nothing to do with the Techno Union though.

like I said we don't know what happened in the meantime, we don't even get context for the scene. if he was checking on ben like a lot of adults do and then got hit hard out of nowhere with the vision (and maybe something else already put him on edge) pulling your saber first thing is nothing to be ashamed of. which is why TLJ is such a shit movie. there's nothing wrong with aiming your gun when threatened, only if you actually pull the trigger.

also, we know why anakin "fell", I doubt luke has seen the prequels - and who would've told him? almost everyone from that time or close to anakin was dead and the jedi order is pretty much gone too. heck I could even see luke getting dangerously close to the dark side for simply having no teachers or hardly any material while learning what it means to be a jedi.

Luke reacting in self-defense is one thing. Him pulling out a saber with the briefest notion of murder is something else entirely. It's not like you're nodding off on the freeway either, it's a very intentional act. Luke knew the vision was a vision, he didn't feel like Ben was about to kill him and everything he loved right that minute.

In the movies, he never found out why. Outside of them, it's plausible to think that Obi-Wan, Yoda, or even Anakin himself would tell him. 30 years is plenty of time to talk to them about everything that happened before the Battle of Yavin.

 

[AGreatDipAtAFairPrice]

I wondered why they went to Palpatine, and the reason is, everything else was so confusing and odd that there wasn't a clear cut villain with a clear cut motivation in it. Kylo and Hux could have been the clear cut villains, but they were always pussyfooting around with a Kylo redemption arc and Hux being a turncoat, which he eventually became.
So Snoke is dead, Kylo is a half-assed "villain" who is concluding his face turn, Hux just flipped, Captain Phasma is a lowly chump, there's no other clearly defined number 2 that was in the other movies, so who do you have on deck? General Enric Pryde? He can't carry this movie as the chief heavy, he's just a glib replacement for Hux that is freshly introduced in The Rise of Skywalker.
Palpatine is the only overtly evil guy in the movies so far that everybody already knows. He's got some heft to him, cred, gravitas, and he also isn't going to pussyfoot around and become a good guy. It just makes you think, well, why not have Palpatine teased in the first one the way they had Luke teased at the end of the first one? If Hux was a mole the whole time, why not have that be a major plot point in Episode 8 and have Enric Pryde be the principal military antagonist in the whole thing? Maybe that's what was going to happen in Episode 8, before Rian Johnson dropped the script on the ground, then his pants, and "subverted the expectations."

 

[Miller]

People noticed this 40,000 reviews ago. Its at over 48,000 verified reviews and STILL at 86.
I was discussing this and somebody brought up a Metacritic controversy. The developers of a videogame, Fallout: New Vegas, would receive a bonus and royalties if the Metacritic score by critics was 85 or higher. For some reason, perhaps the company wanting to shaft people out of money, the score for Fallout: New Vegas was hardstuck at 84, despite being rated an 87 by audiences.
Somebody, somewhere, has a socioeconomic gain they either realize or want to keep others from realizing by keeping this Verified score above 85, but below 87 for some reason.
Maybe the director, or Kennedy, or Story Group would make more money or make less money by this score being 86. There's something contractual going on.
Because there is no other real explanation why this would be at 86 when 480 Verified reviews were in, when 1480, 14,800, 24,8000, 44,000 and 48,000 reviews were in, without any deviation or fluctuation from that 86 score.

Also the algorithms of RT and Metacritic don't take into account the reviews that are less than 1 star.

 

[qu_rahn]

Yeah, alot of characters deserved better, especially Shaak ti. Just look what they did to Dengar!

No fucking way, that's Dengar? I don't believe it

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

No fucking way, that's Dengar? I don't believe it

It seems to have SOME similarities to Dengar in that Dengar did have several cybernetic enhancements like prosthetic eyes and are both said to be Correlian, but there's no way that's Dengar. Even Wookieepedia refuses to accept that as Dengar giving the character it's own page.

Rothgar Deng

Rothgar Deng, possibly operating under an alias, was a Corellian bounty hunter who, by the time of the war between the First Order and the Resistance, was old and experienced. In an attempt to live and work forever, Deng subjected himself to cybernetic replacements, and turned to black market...

starwars.fandom.com

And there is absolutely no mention of Rothgar Deng in his own article.

Dengar/Legends

Dengar, also known as "Payback," was a Corellian bounty hunter and the pilot of the Punishing One. Brought up in the culture of swoop bikes and becoming a successful racer himself, Dengar also led a double life as a successful bounty hunter during the Clone Wars, becoming one of the galaxy's...

starwars.fandom.com

So yeah, Disney might WANT it to be Dengar, but fuck Disney and everything Disney thinks.