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It sucks for the Chinese because they're filthy, live in close quarters, and all have the lungs of 60 year old smokers. There's been plenty of time for it to start fucking over the west long incubation period or no if it was going to.

I think we're safe unless it mutates.

Spoiler: It is guaranteed to mutate.

But yeah, you make a good point. I'm not worried about this really screwing us over here in the West, at least not medically. I'm worried about what the various powers that be are gonna do when they realize they can no longer outsource infinite amounts of sweat shops and slave labor to China and pretend it's not going on anymore.

Of course, if you're smart, this is a huge economic opportunity. All those other countries are probably leaping at the chance to replace China at a slightly higher markup, but they don't fondle raw turtle assholes in the market to decide which one to make stir fry out of, so the tradeoff is probably fine.
 
It sucks for the Chinese because they're filthy, live in close quarters, and all have the lungs of 60 year old smokers.
Living conditions in what Chinese lives fucks up immunity system ability to work.

I think we're safe unless it mutates.
Spoiler: It is guaranteed to mutate.

There is two ways - it mutate to closer to kill anyone form, or just light normal flu-like level form.
 
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What blows my mind about this is that, in the aftermath of SARS, the CCP never saw fit to clean up Chinese hygienic practices. They have an autocratic state where they can enact any law they want and enforce it in extremely draconian ways, but Chinese leaders were just like “lol, what? Us worry?”

How are they only just now learning how badly poor society-wide health can fuck over an economy?
 
But it affects people all over the world. My AliExpress USB hub has yet to arrive. :mad:
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How long is the virus able to survive on surfaces at room temperature at the moment?

Lot of other factors there sunlight (UV), humidity etc.
I think outside body in dry conditions(40~50%Rh) no more than 24~48 hours, a week or two in transport could do...
Is there some virologist to confirm that?
 
Wasn't there a study posted just a few pages back that suggested it can screw with fertility, is more deadly the second time around, and permanently fucks with your lungs / immune system?
About the secondary infection: From what I've heard this had more to do with the meds they were forcing on the fucker shitting his heart up before Round 2 (which only happened because he's surrounded by other diseased people) than the disease itself killing him. As for the fertility thing, haven't heard anything credible on that yet.

EDIT: They also aren't sure if the guy really got reinfected, or if he had some other disease when he came in, only to get Corona-Chan afterward.
 
Based on the fake numbers that the CCP is giving out, yeah. I don't believe those numbers and no one else should either.

Wasn't there a study posted just a few pages back that suggested it can screw with fertility, is more deadly the second time around, and permanently fucks with your lungs / immune system?

Screw lethality, in 5 year's we're gonna see the great Chinese "3 child per family" program to fix a complete collapse of fertility in the survivors.
It's pretty clear that way more people in China have died from this than have been reported, because they seem to not be testing all of the bodies. That said, China has a ton of old folks and prob all have weakened respiratory systems. Time will tell.

LOL the ready-player-one-esque mobile home amalgamation can't even keep out water, much less air. brilliant.

What blows my mind about this is that, in the aftermath of SARS, the CCP never saw fit to clean up Chinese hygienic practices. They have an autocratic state where they can enact any law they want and enforce it in extremely draconian ways, but Chinese leaders were just like “lol, what? Us worry?”

How are they only just now learning how badly poor society-wide health can fuck over an economy?
this happens all the time. the problem is that countries benefit from illegal animal trade, so they aren't motivated to do anything about it. the expensive health and environmental effects feel far from reach to care about.

like japan fishing our oceans out of existence. or vaquita (name translates to "little cow" is a unique looking dolphin), which is a lost cause and on its way to extinction when it was very doable for Mexico to enforce fishing regulations to save them before it got this bad.
 
Persistence depends on a lot of factors. Most respiratory viruses last a few days on surfaces indoors but there is huge difference in what that surface actually is. Some viruses like polio can persist for months.
I had a look for coronavirus persistence and this paper https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4659470/. Implies up to five days, which is quite significant for a respiratory virus. Obviously this is a different strain but it won’t be that different in persistence http://archive.is/srG5E
 
Persistence depends on a lot of factors. Most respiratory viruses last a few days on surfaces indoors but there is huge difference in what that surface actually is. Some viruses like polio can persist for months.
I had a look for coronavirus persistence and this paper https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4659470/. Implies up to five days, which is quite significant for a respiratory virus. Obviously this is a different strain but it won’t be that different in persistence http://archive.li/srG5E
Soooo it means, that copper and it alloys damages this shitty encapsulated RNA human killer?

And I though, that I would need gamma radiation source to decontaminate chinkshit from aliexpress.
I'm curious if "loose" copper ions would do a job.
I need to work on the method of 'cleaning', even for preventive treatment of suspected items.
Thanks @Otterly

I'm thinkin if technicians good old friend isopropyl alcohol would kill that shit.
By the way ozone would work or not?
 
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Especially if they knew ahead of time. No wonder they are strong arming the WHO into following CCP talking points. The pitchforks around the world will come out if its confirmed this was a virus that escaped from one of their labs. That alone is bad enough, but if it turns out they knew back in December that a breach had occured and didn't say anything China is going to be cast out of the good boy club really fast.

I dunno about that. Iran shot down a fucking civilian airliner and there was little long term outcry or international sanctions.

If Drumpf had done that there'd be Americans begging for the UN to invade us and depose the Cheeto Child Killer.

I think even if China was found to have intentionally designed a lethal virus for war purposes and it accidentally got out nobody would care.
 
I don't know, if the Seattle AAAS science congress results have been posted already.
The Munich Merkur (german news outlet) yesterday: US-scientist (genetics-researcher) Trevor Bedford, as part of an international group of researchers claims, the virus isn't artificially made.

According to Bedford, the genetic analysis has proven beyond any doubt that the new corona virus is not only related to the SARS virus, but that the two also have the same strain. Almost 20 to 70 years ago, the two types would have developed apart. According to Bedford, this means that the virus can not be produced in the laboratory.
The researcher also gives new figures on the infected: In his opinion, regardless of the official figures, one must assume that 200,000 people are currently infected with the corona virus.

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Well it hasn't really proven it's not artificial per say, but it's definitely proven IF it's artificial it was made by a god damned lunatic. So here's the explanation:

What this analysis proves is that this virus wasn't made through inserts. In genetic engineering we got generally 2 types of modifications, random and not random. Should be obvious enough what that means. For non-random you just know the genes, see what you wanna put in or take out, and use something like a zinc finger or recombinating sequence or whatever else to modify it, then see if the result was correct. Typically combining this with sellective breeding or other "classical biotech" methods to get the final result. This is the right way to do most things if possible.

But then there's the random way, which just involves adding a bunch of mutations through chemical mutagens, ionizing radiation and basically whatever you got and then using said "classic biotech" methods to sellect the ones you like. This is what was done a lot during the 20th century, and indeed "organic farms" sure love the results if these "totally not GMOs"... I'm not kidding here. Wanna guess why I hate greenpeace and the organic farming industry so much? Fucking hypocrites all of them.

Anyway. Outside of that this IS still used for good things. More often than not pest control. Ever heard of GMO mosquitoes? Yeah, well here's how they make them: the theory is simple, whenever you got an insect plague you really wanna end, you use random mutations to create a version of said plague whose metabolism is broken in such a way that their eggs won't mature outside the lab, typically because they can't synthezice a specific molecule they need to grow. You then sellect this mutation and breed a lot of the little bastards, then take the males and free them en masse over the area where the pest is. Then these males impregnate the wild females who lay eggs that can't hatch in the while, and therefore stop mating with the wild mosquitoes and laying eggs that can. Repeat until the population is appropriately low, under strict supervision (and indeed keep said suppervision for some time after even though it has never been proven anything can really go wrong with this protocol just because, well, autism is preferrable to actually getting said proof.)

Now. Doing these kind of mutations to viri would be incredibly moronic. Because we typically only use it to BREAK DNA not FIX it, I mean not only is it unsafe and hard to control, it's also inneficient as fuck. Furthermore the "hard to control" thing goes doubly so for viri. As we talked about previously viri are targeted by the capside's proteins. If you fuck with that randomly you're making it much harder to identify it's a major security issue.

So I feel pretty confident that this wasn't made... Outside of China. But china has a lab that thinks it can contain this being led by a LIBERAL ARTS STUDENT whose biggest accomplishment was having sex with a university director 14 years older than her. Said lab as discussed previously has also experienced incredible security breaches like the scientists eating the eggs they used on a study. Do you really think they aren't stupid enough to give it a try? It's more likely they were only studying it, but, well... the chance isn't 0 either.

Could this simply be a naturally-developed virus that was being studied and was isolated in this lab, but it leaked out anyway through incompetence? I am not a viral expert so I have no idea how new strains of viruses come into being. Are they all mutations of viruses we know to exist now? Can new viruses only come into being through bio-engineering?

Could they have been studying a coronavirus that affected only some animals and while doing testing, it mutated on its own and became infectious to humans? What was the origin of SARS and is it just a coincidence than 2 new coronaviruses have leaked out of China, this new one having its epicenter near a bioengineering labratory?

New mutations happen all the time, indeed if a virus can reinfect it's because it mutates and the inmune system stops recognizing it. As for coronaviri leaking out of china, well, CV are native to china, mutate as fast as the flu and are about as virulent if not more. Really once they made the jump to humans the chinese should've realized it was going to become their seasonal pneumonia viri like the flu is for the west. They didn't though, and didn't take measures to protect for wave 2, hence Corona-chan's bizarre adventure starts.

I've always suspected some low level tard working at the Wuhan lab snatching critters destined for the incinerator and instead selling them or some sloppy maintenance issue releasing infectious waste into the area. Here the Chinese have an obsession with food, especially weird and exotic food but it's mostly those born and raised in mainland China. I have rarely, if ever, heard Chinese from Taiwan or Singapore going on about eating strange critters (maybe they do, behind my back).

I have relatives that live in Asia and the Japanese have their own weird food fetishes, like fugu, which is expensive poisonous puffer fish. It's a status symbol thing to eat and then brag how you didn't die (I also heard that if you get a super tiny, tiny dose of the poison it gives you a buzz but I don't care to find out if that's true). There's always a few dumbass japs that die from eating fugu every year even though it's illegal to prepare the poisonous parts for consumption. The US has it's own weird food connoisseurs who eat raccoons, squirrels, possums, snakes, gators and whatnot but it's looked down upon, as in it's a low class hillbilly kind of thing. I don't get it, there's enough great meat/fish that doesn't kill you available. like wild salmon or longhorn beef. Squab is delicious, no need to grab them from the windowsill since markets here have the ones raised for eating.

Gators aren't that bad. Ruleof thumb: if it isn't a critter, nor a pet (or from a species typically considered pets), isn't a carrier, isn't a bug, isn't endangered and IS bred in a farm under proper protocols it's fine. So basically don't be like China.

This is quite incredible.
Paper out of a Chinese institute, or am I reading that wrong? They are basically saying it’s from the lab near the market. Interesting that it’s from within China - I assume that CCP has control over such publications? So CCP has allowed this to be published...

I don't know if the CCP can avoid leaks 100%, so it might've slipped through the back door. If it has these scientists got some steel balls and a target painted on their back.
 
What blows my mind about this is that, in the aftermath of SARS, the CCP never saw fit to clean up Chinese hygienic practices. They have an autocratic state where they can enact any law they want and enforce it in extremely draconian ways, but Chinese leaders were just like “lol, what? Us worry?”

How are they only just now learning how badly poor society-wide health can fuck over an economy?
I think they honestly knew it was stupid, but because their economy is based on always producing the cheapest product, they didn't want to devote the resources per worker needed to fix the problem for fear of risking an increase in the cost of production of each individual product. You have to remember, if you're trying to sell a product when there's a competitor product, your product needs to have some advantage over that product in order to win out. For China, they've always tried to be the cheapest. Remember though, because they're exporting they're going to have to cut the cost of production even more than local competitors whom have the advantage of not having to worry about overseas shipping. This means that the only way they can go bellow the lowest price that a local competitor can offer, is to cut down on the workers' standard of living.

This is why you see shit like this in China where much of the population are little more than worker ants.

Keep in mind that factories like in the video above, are only the factories which aren't so horrible the CCP feels the need to hide them from foreign media.
 
But then there's the random way, which just involves adding a bunch of mutations through chemical mutagens, ionizing radiation and basically whatever you got and then using said "classic biotech" methods to sellect the ones you like. This is what was done a lot during the 20th century, and indeed "organic farms" sure love the results if these "totally not GMOs"... I'm not kidding here. Wanna guess why I hate greenpeace and the organic farming industry so much? Fucking hypocrites all of them.

Atomic gardening was always my favorite example of this.
 
So China I mean WHO is trying to enforce China style censorship on the masses regarding the bat flu virus

 
There are times when I wonder if this virus isn't just God being sick of the Chinkroaches shit.
I know folks have brought it up before, so rate me late, but I swear that this is China's divine punishment.
These Chinese pinkos chinkos, if you will had the ass chafing gall to try to rewrite the "religious classics", including the Bible, to be more favorable to socialism. They announced their intention to do that on Christmas Eve, no less.

Not two months later and three plagues are sweeping through China; bird flu for chickens, African swine flu for pigs, and everyone's favorite Corona-chan. There was also a 5.6 magnitude earthquake in Sichuan province on top of all of this.

You couldn't convince me that God isn't real anymore and that he isn't capable of being vengeful. Y'all sinners better start with the Hail Marys and repent.
 
So China I mean WHO is trying to enforce China style censorship on the masses regarding the bat flu virus

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Fixed their quote in that article. Love how the total infected/death number was reduced for this piece about misinformation. Even the CCP's likely drastically lowered numbers are much higher than this, c'mon guys.
 
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