Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

[Pikapikaboo]

I mean aside from the ridiculous blatant misunderstanding of hypersexuality, it was also offensive as fuck to sexual abuse survivors who actually developed hypersexuality as a result of their trauma.

Literally just being a walking sex operator-voiced stereotype, saying you're well suited to be sexually assaulted???



No one said is that you couldn't have had childhood trauma or any abuse at all when you also say (and people from your life confirm) you had and still have a good homelife and relationship with your parents.

We have said that the type, frequency, and volume of the trauma required to develop a dissociative disorder (which, to be clear, means that it was more traumatic and for a more sustained period of time than that of what people who develop PTSD experience), you would have to have extremely neglectful parents AND teachers/counselors.

As said in this thread previously, evidence of childhood sexual abuse (which is overwhelmingly the most common cause of dissociative disorders) begins presenting itself right away. This is either in the form of severe behavioral problems, an obsession and knowledge of sex beyond what is normal, issues with the bathroom (wetting the bed, or phobia or obsession with bathrooms, etc), in females - early puberty activation, or physical evidence (or all of the above). Unless a parent is completely absent (neglectful), a perpetrator, or an enabler, at least ONE of these things would be noticed.

You cannot have parents that worry desperately about you and love you so much to ensure you have a happy, carefree childhood not see that you are being serially abused. There are side effects. It's one of the reasons disorganized attachment from your primary caregivers is a requirement. They either have to have been involved, or been neglectful for a child to literally disconnect from themselves and reality.



Last time I checked, no one here is appropriating vague, shifting trauma and faux disorders for money and internet fame, so your opinion here is a bit flimsy. A lot of people that have been looking into this for weeks never doubted her before they started digging. This isn't confirmation bias. I went on a journey of my own in learning about how memories work and identities form, and if you took the time to read everything plenty of us have, you'd realize that our views have shifted over time with the collection of new information.

We don't all believe exactly the same things about Chloe, or Nan, for that matter, but I doubt anyone's viewpoint started with "all of this is bullshit" and has stayed "all of this is bullshit".

Again, just no. That way of thinking is literally what causes a disattatchment from loving parents.
"if my parents really loved me they wouldn't have let this happen. They would have stopped it." etc
There are too many cases of repeated abuse, years of it, that when unnoticed by families and care-givers.
A lot of parents are simply in denial and can't acknowledge the symptoms they see. Like I said in my op it has changed some in recent years with more awareness of child abuse and signs etc. But in the past most good, loving parents would never imagine those things could be happening to their child. Especially that they could be being committed by people they know. (unfortunately, as most of us know, most abuse is done by close family friends or members)
So let's say a good, loving and not neglectful mommy notices "hey my kid always acts a little weird when they stay at X family members house /or when x neighbor baby-sits" but then they think "nooo, I've known them for years /they're just a sweet high school kid" etc etc
Let's say they do ask their child. This brings us to the second issue where most kids being abused hide it. This is usually for two reasons. Either, like with DID or OSDD, they disassociate and can't accept the abuse is happening and/or they are ashamed and embarrassed.
Especially before the age of constant cellphone use and updates, as well as security cameras everywhere, but even now there's a lot of unnoticed and hidden abuse that goes on.
Look at how many people random shoot up places and people are always like, "I never knew" or only recognize the signs after in retrospect.
Or even in a lighter way how many things to most kids and teens do that their parents didn't know and they jokingly tell them how much they got away with later?
Yes, ideally a perfect, loving parent would constantly be looking for signs of abuse and investigating their kids every move but that's not realistic. And it's definitely not how parenting has been for most of history.
In this current world of anti-vaxxer, hyper(vigilant, helicopter parents, yes its highly unlikely that they wouldn't see the abuse.

And I have seen ya'll (in general) being pretty nit-picky about everything Chloe posts. The biggest is taking every example she uses in her videos of the type of trauma that causes D. I. D as her claiming she has x trauma and experience lawl *rolls eyes*. Yes, she has done that but in a lot of posts or videos she's saying X can cause X and not saying I experienced this kind of trauma. I've not dedicated enough to sift through for a direct examples but like about being treated like a dog or having a snake alter because of certain abuse.
It's true young people watching it or non-native English speakers could misunderstand but that's true of any movies, videos, books etc.

 

[heterotic]

Yes, Nan claimed to be asexual while saying her other alters had different sexualities. Nin and Riven were said to be "hyper-sexual" alters. Just repeating what I heard from both Nin and Nan.

And this is really where I take issue. They don't understand what hypersexuality is AT ALL. They think it's just being uwu so horny uwu xoxo

Maybe they don't even understand sexual attraction preferences, either, but it's not something that shifts depending on extreme moods.

Someone who is bipolar type I might "seem" bisexual when manic, but it's not about sexual attraction if they are ordinarily straight, it's about impulsive behavior, and sometimes mania can bring hypersexuality which can make manic folks fuck with people they aren't even attracted to.

It's complex, but not... the way they make it out to be.

Again, just no.

Yeah, you're the kind of rambling nonsense that makes it hard for me not to TMI or PL.

Muting the fuck out of you.

 

[generalsneezus]

Again, just no. That way of thinking is literally what causes a disattatchment from loving parents.
"if my parents really loved me they wouldn't have let this happen. They would have stopped it." etc
There are too many cases of repeated abuse, years of it, that when unnoticed by families and care-givers.
A lot of parents are simply in denial and can't acknowledge the symptoms they see. Like I said in my op it has changed some in recent years with more awareness of child abuse and signs etc. But in the past most good, loving parents would never imagine those things could be happening to their child. Especially that they could be being committed by people they know. (unfortunately, as most of us know, most abuse is done by close family friends or members)
So let's say a good, loving and not neglectful mommy notices "hey my kid always acts a little weird when they stay at X family members house /or when x neighbor baby-sits" but then they think "nooo, I've known them for years /they're just a sweet high school kid" etc etc
Let's say they do ask their child. This brings us to the second issue where most kids being abused hide it. This is usually for two reasons. Either, like with DID or OSDD, they disassociate and can't accept the abuse is happening and/or they are ashamed and embarrassed.
Especially before the age of constant cellphone use and updates, as well as security cameras everywhere, but even now there's a lot of unnoticed and hidden abuse that goes on.
Look at how many people random shoot up places and people are always like, "I never knew" or only recognize the signs after in retrospect.
Or even in a lighter way how many things to most kids and teens do that their parents didn't know and they jokingly tell them how much they got away with later?
Yes, ideally a perfect, loving parent would constantly be looking for signs of abuse and investigating their kids every move but that's not realistic. And it's definitely not how parenting has been for most of history.
In this current world of anti-vaxxer, hyper(vigilant, helicopter parents, yes its highly unlikely that they wouldn't see the abuse.

Chloe said their first traumatic experience was at three years old, and at that age you’re mostly only around your parents/people at daycare if you attend one. They should assess all relatives, all caretakers, etc. By this time, even if you don’t remember your trauma, you still need to figure it out. If worked out with a therapist, this can actually HELP one learn how to cope once the flashbacks hit, or help them potentially eliminate any negative triggers. Also, if she doesn’t remember past trauma I’m not sure how she’s aware of what happened when she was three. Maybe she just has memories of some things or not others. I don’t know, but figuring out and confronting the trauma could help with healing in the long run

 

[heterotic]

None of us ever assumed what kind of trauma Chloe has.

I mean, a lot of us are assuming none, because like many of us have said repeatedly, the type and volume of sustained abuse to cause this kind of disorder is evident to caregivers.

People who have had the severe trauma required to develop this don't just wake up at 19 and suddenly have severe behavioral issues and amnesia.

Like "oh they're ashamed". This isn't how it works. They become ashamed. We are talking about children that are aged 3-6. They start talking about sex at school or with neighbors or extended family members, and people freak out. Shame is something they learn.

 

[Pikapikaboo]

This has been covered and talked about in the thread.



False. Sifting through the inconsistencies and bullshit is how the truth comes out. That's just logic.

To clarify I meant bad as

None of us ever assumed what kind of trauma Chloe has. And if like you’re saying she has no experience with one aspect, the fact that she talks on every subject with no sources, experience or degree is problematic because not only is it non-credible, but she’s making money off of if. Potentially greater than six figures. So of course we’re gonna be critical, because when you’re charging people 300 dollars to speak to an alter but are claiming that not having floppy disks was traumatic, then I’m gonna have an issue

(WHOOPS sorry for double post, phone is being weird again)

I'm trying figure out how to insert quotes but I'm new here and not great with tech. But I just wanted to clarify that when I said "it's just as bad" I didn't mean morally. I should have said it's just as flawed as a logical thought process.
I'm looking all at this from a logical reasoning perspective. That's why I also used the examples of people repeating examples Nin used as saying she claimed to have that trauma. I wasn't commenting on the moral aspects of her using these examples without directly sourcing what study they are from. Just that posters using them as reasons to lawl and say how deluded she is are the same kind of reasoning as Nin and her supporters using pictures of different "alters" making different expressions as proof that she's right.

 

[Drunk and Pour]

About 5 or 6 years ago, there was this this really cute bar tender that would have different name tags with a variation of her name. Some times she'd wear glasses as well. I asked her about it, and she said something along the lines of "I do it depending on the person I feel like that day." We had our back and forths. I'm really quite amazed that "lol, i'm a different person" is something that is real.

Cloe is a cute girl. Her lesbian fuck friend is ugly, man or woman.

 

[generalsneezus]

I mean, a lot of us are assuming none, because like many of us have said repeatedly, the type and volume of sustained abuse to cause this kind of disorder is evident to caregivers.

People who have had the severe trauma required to develop this don't just wake up at 19 and suddenly have severe behavioral issues and amnesia.

Like "oh they're ashamed". This isn't how it works. They become ashamed. We are talking about children that are aged 3-6. They start talking about sex at school or with neighbors or extended family members, and people freak out. Shame is something they learn.

You’re right, I feel like serious problems would be displayed earlier on, as you said it could be discussing explicit things at a young age, or social withdraw or some sort of signs that things weren’t ok. If Chloe’s parents loved and looked after her, I’m fairly sure they would know if something CONTINUOUS was happening, not just a one time occurrence, unless it happened in a public place like aforementioned ie a school or daycare.

 

[turtleneckfish]

None of us ever assumed what kind of trauma Chloe has. And if like you’re saying she has no experience with one aspect, the fact that she talks on every subject with no sources, experience or degree is problematic because not only is it non-credible, but she’s making money off of if. Potentially greater than six figures. So of course we’re gonna be critical, because when you’re charging people 300 dollars to speak to an alter but are claiming that not having floppy disks was traumatic, then I’m gonna have an issue

(WHOOPS sorry for double post, phone is being weird again)

I think the main reason why we question Chloe is not that we want to discredit trauma happening without parental knowledge but that her memories of it or referencees to it are very blurred. Again, ofc its a symptom but its weird that she claims she has DID because of ongoing heavy trauma in her early childhood, blogging she misses her carefree childhood, her parents being seemingly loving and being loved by her and then not really having consequences from that trauma as in flashbacks etc.

Aside from having an excuse to have DID I don't really see it with her. Maybe I am biased from knowing people with PTSD too idk.

and I really hate to bring up Multiandme again, especially since I don't buy it from her either but her act is waaaay more convincing imo.
idk. I am biased, I have no degree in fucknot so idk but for me Chloes behaviour and acts don't scream abuse victim at all. I assume for most people sound/environment and or social situations or touches be the biggest triggers, yet her switches occur by insulting kyles accent which is ridiculous. why would her protector come forward for such bullshit but not when her little/ghost alter Omega reads upsetting letters?

There are just soooo many loose threads with her and stories not ending up, I just don't buy it.

 

[AmbiTron]

To clarify I meant bad as

I'm trying figure out how to insert quotes but I'm new here and not great with tech. But I just wanted to clarify that when I said "it's just as bad" I didn't mean morally. I should have said it's just as flawed as a logical thought process.
I'm looking all at this from a logical reasoning perspective. That's why I also used the examples of people repeating examples Nin used as saying she claimed to have that trauma. I wasn't commenting on the moral aspects of her using these examples without directly sourcing what study they are from. Just that posters using them as reasons to lawl and say how deluded she is are the same kind of reasoning as Nin and her supporters using pictures of different "alters" making different expressions as proof that she's right.

Chloe is a dumb malingering manipulative cunt, that's all there is to it.

 

[faggoff]

I've been watching this thread for awhile and debated making an account, mostly collecting my thoughts since I didn't have anything interesting to say particularly - but one thing that has come to mind pushing me to post is that I feel it should be mentioned that The Entropy System or whatever said to be former friends that kept as "nothing more than business acquaintances" due to their judgements of Nan, despite played the new Animal Crossing with Chloe & Nan two weeks ago.


Not to be nitpicky, but I feel as though there's something off about the whole thing - do you think it was just her trying to be a friend to Chloe? Or do you think she is trying to pull a whiteknight "I knew something was wrong the whole time" out their ass for extra browniepoints or whatever. Or do you think maybe she's enjoying a casual LARP with Nan and are lying because they have something to hide.

Regardless, I have watched DID channels religiously, believed them, and was straightup a fucking moron the entire time. IMO not all are faking, but the majority probably are, or are convinced they have something they don't and their life's being fucked over because they don't know what they actually have. Finding out Nan was a pedophile was a wild ride for me, but I'm way grateful that I'm not with my head up my ass crying "Poor victim" and commenting asspats for every 2 breakdowns they seem to have in a video.

 

[Pikapikaboo]

I mean, a lot of us are assuming none, because like many of us have said repeatedly, the type and volume of sustained abuse to cause this kind of disorder is evident to caregivers.

People who have had the severe trauma required to develop this don't just wake up at 19 and suddenly have severe behavioral issues and amnesia.

Like "oh they're ashamed". This isn't how it works. They become ashamed. We are talking about children that are aged 3-6. They start talking about sex at school or with neighbors or extended family members, and people freak out. Shame is something they learn.

A child knows that what happened was wrong and compacted with societal or direct manipulation by their abuser many are afraid to even bring it up.
For example church communities often had a lot of hidden abuse. Especially in cases of SA from a frightfully young age a lot of kids have unhealthy view/and or repression of sexual things.
This isn't Nin. But I'm still talking about the idea/statement that related abuse couldn't possibly go unnoticed if you have "good" parents.
To reiterate a child is aware when they doing something that will get them in trouble and will usually activately try and hide it. And abusers almost always manipulate the children into thinking it's their fault too and they usually will feel dirty, wrong and afraid of speaking out.

 

[just a person]

Spoiler: Chloe's Abuse Claims

-She wasn't bought a Bop It! as a child and as a result does not remember the shooting of Tupac (seriously)
-She alludes to religious or ritualistic abuse (despite her and her parents not remembering any such event)
-She claims to have been spanked as a child
-She claims to have been physically abused as a child (separate to a light spanking)
-She claims she was forced to binge eat by an abuser (most likely asked to finish her meal before leaving the table as a child)
-She claims to have knowledge of serious organised child abuse (she described it as grotesque and continued)
-She claims to have been burned despite having no scars (this was in one of her PTSD videos and she mentioned she could still feel the burning)
-She claims to have been raped or sexually assaulted after the age of 17 (not disputing that she was but that's too late for DID)
-She claims to have been traumatised by a suicide attempt in which she hung herself in the forest though a verified source has come forward and proved she just jumped in a lake and was laughing about it the next day

These are fairly common things children experience which can cause harm but not to the degree of DID. Being physically reprimanded or forced to eat past fullness are potential seeds for things like depression and eating disorder, sure, but that isn't enough quirky and attention grabbing as MPD DID to make a channel about and gain the popularity she has.

"She alludes to religious or ritualistic abuse"
"She claims to have knowledge of serious organised child abuse"

This reminds me of the people who claim satanic abuse which has been proven to be fakery, a purely iatrogenic phenomenon, pushed on by mothers trying to get custody, psychotic caretakers, and mental health professionals that are too eager to believe and don't understand how to get honest information from a child without planting ideas in their heads. We've known this for a long time. Unless she was in a cult this is complete bullshit and there's no evidence to suggest her family was in a cult.

Spoiler

Recent Canadian research has shown that around age 7, the hippocampus can be easily and often is overloaded, causing a disconnection to memories formed between ages 3-7. It's common knowledge that prior to age 3, the hippocampus is not developed enough and overloads often, but no one is running around saying "I can't remember being an infant, must be abuse!", despite that it is the same cause. In fact, it's unusual when people can remember things prior to the age of 3. Childhood amnesia to some degree is actually quite common, just like not recalling what you had for breakfast 3 days ago.

There's also (childhood) depression where the monotony and pain of life causes the days to blur together but again this isn't speshul enough to gain attention with. It's too common, normal and easy to cope with.

Spoiler

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If DID is real the strongest claims suggest these aren't separate personalities but parts of a whole. Every person has "different personalities" for things like being at home vs being at work vs being with family. The current idea about DID is that there is amnesia between these personality states and the entire goal is to stop separating them and try to merge it all together like a normally developed person has. This is insanely harmful and horrific to see. I can't understand how people are falling for this con when she's spreading information and advice polar opposite to what actual professionals are saying. I'm reminded of all those times Chloe said DID "replaced" MPD when they have vastly different presentations. You can't tell if someone has DID. MPD is obvious and attention grabbing. Dirty malingerer.

 

[turtleneckfish]

different topic but I remember hearing that you could see DID in brain scans, either in Chloes videos or somewhere else.. sooooo.. wouldn't psychatrist/neurologists order that kind of stuff to determine if the patient really suffer from it or am I just too simpleminded lol.

could probably check if someone is faking with it tho, I assume.

 

[Bust Down Gloriana]

The Entropy System or whatever said to be former friends that kept as "nothing more than business acquaintances" due to their judgements of Nan, despite played the new Animal Crossing with Chloe & Nan two weeks ago.
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Not to be nitpicky, but I feel as though there's something off about the whole thing - do you think it was just her trying to be a friend to Chloe? Or do you think she is trying to pull a whiteknight "I knew something was wrong the whole time" out their ass for extra browniepoints or whatever. Or do you think maybe she's enjoying a casual LARP with Nan and are lying because they have something to hide.

Whoever that ‘system’ is, they’re probably taking the opportunity to insert themselves into the drama and direct traffic to their channel. Drama channels do it all the time.

 

[faggoff]

different topic but I remember hearing that you could see DID in brain scans, either in Chloes videos or somewhere else.. sooooo.. wouldn't psychatrist/neurologists order that kind of stuff to determine if the patient really suffer from it or am I just too simpleminded lol.

could probably check if someone is faking with it tho, I assume.

I've heard this too - do they ever provide where this is from? I've only heard of it but I guess I never thought to look deeper into it. If so, my guess would be it'd be "too much work and money" for all the self-diagnosing children still begging their parents to accept their Rainbow Dash persecutor.

Whoever that ‘system’ is, they’re probably taking the opportunity to insert themselves into the drama and direct traffic to their channel. Drama channels do it all the time.

That's true. I just feel like doing it on twitter would make it a tad purposeless, since that isn't where all the juicy drama is often actually seen - but who knows, maybe they'll make a whole video on it. I'm wondering if there's going to be anything more than a disclaimer by these "influencers" that they are disgusted or shocked on their tiny medias that only the followers concerned that their favorite LARPers support a sneezing pedo. I feel like this is all going to be brushed under the rug because it "contributes to the negative stigma" because people with disorders, are capable of being bad? Whaaaaaaat? Who woulda thunk.

 

[generalsneezus]

I have the feeling the other pikachu was meant haha cause you mainly replied to posts and did not really ramble imo

No, I definitely rambled. One of my biggest

Tough love. I didn't say anybody rambled, I just finished struggling to catch up and saw both Pikachus double-posting back to back and it was a lot. Make a post, make it valuable, and if you just posted, sit the hell out unless your contribution is absolutely necessary. I've typed up and deleted 3 posts today because things are moving so fast. Thread > ego.

Agreed, I definitely have a habit of overtyping, literally the reason I got called out on essays in grade school was for just flat our writing too much. If you guys want me to go back and delete any posts I can definitely do that, don’t want new people looking for answers to get flooded out by my verbatim.

 

[lamp]

Does anyone think this is actually her? Could attempt to get some insider info and check her snap stories or are we past that?

disclaimer: I’m not going to troll her

 

[Bust Down Gloriana]

Jade will come out to lecture them about the dangers of sneezing around her because of her littles, and she will NOT be talking about her littles, or sharing their names or genders for their protection. And she better not hear another sneeze lest a little come out, but she is definitely NOT a murderer.

Is this the same Jade that didn’t bother to do any research into Nan before letting them get close to her system?

 

[turtleneckfish]

So I looked into this entropy system girl and seems like she is very against sensationalizing DID, started before chloe and is at the same time protecting Chloe and Nan.. that is so weird.
At one point she talks about not liking switches on camera and in another video she says no one is faking it.

To be fair, not really wanting to spend my time watching all her videos from 3 years ago now either, but seems to be one "DID sufferer" that is not diagnosed by pottergate so far.

 

[CashMoney!]

This thread is a dumpster fire and unreadable now due to autism.