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countries like japan have it kinda engraved into them to do this, while in the west, america especially, early on into this it was kind of looked down upon.
I never got why though since masks could be cool if paired with the right outfit, then again considering most of the people who wear them are absolute weebs I kinda get why it was looked down upon
Masks are associated with being up to no good. The US also has anti-mask laws. Georgia recently suspended such laws.
Georgia suspends anti mask laws

On the topic of lockdowns, would prefer soft lockdowns over these hard ones. Have people who are high risk stay home. Promote social distancing and mask wearing. Of course, the early response may have screwed over chances of that working. Would still prefer people be able to get Animal Crossing at Gamestop if they damn well please.
The fuck's your problem with mechanical sex?
Fisto approves of this.
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They make not being conspiratorial hard some times.
That article is in support of multigenerational households. The headline is just clickbait garbage.
Archive of article
We need to have a thread on coronavirus grifting. Here's a good example. Everyone's least favorite newspaper, The Guardian, has run an article on how the government needs to bail out newspapers as coronavirus has made them unprofitable. They neglect to mention that, unlike their hated right-wing rivals, the Guardian has never been profitable.

https://archive.vn/QziIp

However, as one of the comments points out

https://www.theguardian.com/media/c...ronavirus-press-google-news#comment-139910368
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To be fair to them this comment is one of the Guardian Picks, i.e. highlighted comments. Normally I'd expect them to nuke it on the grounds it didn't meet their nebulous 'community standards' which normally preclude all criticism of Guardian staff of the Guardian echo chamber.
There's a conartist thread.
Wuflu conartist megathread
Of course the democrats would go after skaters. God it's like they get a hardon being petty tyrants but don't actually know how to be authoritarians so instead they copy the playbook from 80s movies villains and nazi parodies. Just censor the protests and fill skater parks with sand, that won't look awful.
Sandboarding time!
 
Peter Hitchens has come in for a lot of criticism for questioning the UK approach and musing if the Swedish one is better.

https://archive.vn/E5Wnj

Angry, laid off BBC fake news journo John Sweeney (archive) accused him of being 'death's useful idiot, the columnist who kills his readers'.

https://archive.vn/wip/fezqE



Hitchens starts off explaining the downside of the lockdown and the police's authoritarian approach to enforcing, points out that Sweden's much less draconian scheme seems to be working.

Now if you look at Sweden's coronavirus cases on a log(cases) vs time you get this

https://web.archive.org/web/20200419194739/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden

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Here's the UK's

https://web.archive.org/web/20200419194738/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk

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Now it looks to me as if both of those are plateauing, at least in log terms, at a similar rate.

And if you look at where they're plateauing it looks 100K for the UK versus 10K for Sweden. Of course, the UK has about 6.5 times the population - 66M vs 10M. Then again the UK might have greater urbanization.

Actually there's a very helpful site here which plots deaths per million population on a log graph for a bunch of countries and normalizes the start date from the point daily confirmed deaths reached 0.1 per million people. This enables you to compare countries.

https://archive.vn/wip/kfRKi

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I.e. there's not much in it in terms of death rates per 1 million population between the UK's harsh lockdown and Sweden's much less harsh one.

Of course, this sort of subtlety is lost on people like Sweeney who've come to the very simplistic conclusion that lockdown=fewer deaths, deaths=bad, anyone who opposes the lockdown=bad and pro-death.

It's worth pointing out this sort of thing is not really helpful to complex public policy questions which are, as Hitchens points out 'lives vs lives' and not 'lives vs money'. Also being a hysterical nutter is not generally regarded as helpful even in a time of national crisis. Especially in a time of national crisis actually - people need to coolly weigh up the pluses and minuses of public policy and not just yank the control level to maximum or minimum and then accuse anyone who tries to introduce any nuance into the debate as being 'pro-death'.

I don't actually agree with Hitchens that the time to lift the lockdown has come - I'd wait for the daily death toll to show a consistent decline and lift it in stages, which is probably what the government will do. Still, it's good that people like him are making the counterpoint to the hysterical media groupthink which Sweeney has fallen for.
 
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Got an interesting development out of Bangladesh.

Friendly tip for United States Governors and personnel:

See, having 100,000 people show up to a thing right now... you can definitely lose your shit over that and I might not even get too bent out of shape if you deploy the National Guard.
Those people are being wantonly foolish and it will be a big problem for us all.

Ms. Mabel going to Staples to buy printer paper? Tom and Jerry heading to the middle of nowhere to rim one another? A family barbecue in their own back yard?
Yeah you can back the fuck off or one of these days one of your deputies isn't coming back in one piece.

Thank you for your time, you may return to your unconstitutional crackdowns.
 
Patton's tweet: Source (Archive)
A very sobering read. Send this to anyone who still claims that this pandemic is a hoax:



The doctors tried a drug called Actemra (aka Tocilizumab, a drug that was brought up earlier in the thread), which was designed to treat rheumatoid arthritis but also approved in 2017 to treat cytokine storms in cancer patients.



Interesting vlog from a pilot:

1. Tocilizumab (Archive)
2. Emergency room doctor, near death with coronavirus, saved with experimental treatment (Archive)
You know that those protests are done by the far right... don't you? The Repubs have been weaponizing their hardliners and have been targeting several states mostly swings states for the coming election. And they know that the media will pick it up because it makes clicks/viewings. Politics in action.

What gives it away? As Mr. David Carrol would say, "Not one Negro in the Crowd". (hahahahaha)

Mr. David Carroll... He's an interesting dude and there is a lot of truth in what he says. If you are bored and need something to do, grab a six pack and listen to him and you might start start laughing... in my case It's the same bullshit that I dealt with during the crack head 80's.

David Carrol
Covid-19 conspiracy theories & the coloreds who believe them
4/11/2020 30:58

Covid-19 conspiracy theories & the coloreds who believe them:
Pending the replication and peer review of a study that came out of Stanford University, it's possible that the infection rate for for the Wu-Ping Cough might be 50 to 80 times higher than we previously thought. In the county of around 2,000,000 residents where this test was taken they “found that 2.5 to 4.2% of those tested were positive for antibodies — a number suggesting a far higher past infection rate than the official count."

This would mean that there could potentially be around 48,000 to 81,000 infected people in that county, even though the county only has 958 reported cases. The concept of "it's just a flu bro" could be much closer to reality than people might have thought, if their study of around 3,300 people came back with a 2.5 to 4.2% presence of antibodies. This would mean that the mortality rate is significantly lower than all of the models had been pushing out the door, and puts it right next door to a fairly rough flu season.

Not that I'd be terribly surprised given that these are the same models that kept needing constant revisions like this:

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a study (Archive)
Does anyone know any other papers like this? Apparently the NIH is doing studies on this.

Nearly third 200 blood samples taken chelsea show exposure coronavirus (Archive)
This kills the Democrat (Archive)
Page 1445 - the year of a really huge plague in Europe.
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Trudeau will likely not see any Fallout.
1. Blaclock's tweet: Source (Archive)
2. Bernier's tweet: Source (Archive)
Officials Say C.D.C. Errors Caused Testing Delays (Archive)
Corona-chan had triggered unrest in South Africa and as mentionned in another thread, Nigerians burned a plant owned by the Chinese.

Timcast along with one Youtuber ranted about this.
Timcast along with one Youtuber ranted about this:
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WaPo article: Source (Archive)
Not sure if this was brought up yet but online gamers hold virtual funeral for a gamer that died from Coronavirus

‘Final Fantasy’ gamers hold online funeral for player who died of COVID-19 (Archive)
1. Florida beach is crowded within 30 MINUTES of reopening at 5pm, despite state recording 1,413 new #COVID19 cases - its highest one-day increase since the pandemic crisis began (Archive)
2. #FLORIDAMORONS TRENDS AS PEOPLE FLOCK TO THE BEACH AFTER CORONAVIRUS RESTRICTIONS LIFTED IN PARTS OF THE STATE (
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Everyone's doing a variation of this:
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Including me
Bill's tweet: Source (Archive)
I've learned today, that telling women to wear masks for going to the store is rape. Also the patriarchy, which is totally real thing, should do more to protect wahmen, but this would also be - you guessed it - rape.
I've learned today, that telling women to wear masks for going to the store is rape. Also the patriarchy, which is totally real thing, should do more to protect wahmen, but this would also be - you guessed it - rape:
I have never seen a lefty protest any of the above shit

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Smarxist tweet: Source (Archive)
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Guys, is that really necessary?
Benny's tweet: Source (Archive)
Got an interesting development out of Bangladesh.


EDIT: Another interesting bit of info
1. Bangladesh funeral attracts 100,000 people, shattering coronavirus social distancing rules (Archive)
2. Coronavirus Bangladesh hits 2 000 cases faster than many worst hit countries (Archive)
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Article in the Spectator about the cowardice of quarantines

https://archive.vn/rjJ8i

Christopher Snowdon often covers the creep of state paternalism into ordinary life. His point is a simple one: we do not accept that some unelected group of experts should dictate what small personal health risks we choose to incur, because we know that health experts make decisions based on the sole, unweighted objective of improving health at the cost of nearly everything else.

The nuance applicable to voluntary risk should also extend somewhat to widespread mandatory quarantines — many are fond of pointing out that it is largely not for our own benefit that we are asked to self-isolate, it is for the elderly, infirm and those who are otherwise immunocompromised.

The logic goes something like this: any and all measures we take to prevent community transmission are justifiable because they will prevent infections and therefore prevent deaths among these vulnerable groups. In a medical sense this is irrefutable, but the underlying assumption of this logic is that the onus on the individual to protect themselves should be almost totally removed in favor of controlling the behavior of everyone, no matter how susceptible they may be. Some unsavory individuals prefer to make it personal and equate any resistance to an indefinite period of social isolation as wishing death upon those who are least likely to be able to fight the virus. Surely it would be simpler — and likely far less costly — to make government assistance available to those who choose to self-isolate. Should we not assume that those who are immunocompromised already take precautions for their own health?

The great irony of these policies of indefinite quarantine is that the requisite economic shutdowns are also going to be a death sentence for thousands of ordinary people, and because these deaths aren’t meticulously tracked and attributed to a specific virus they can easily be overlooked. This is the other epidemic of a modern, capitalist society experiencing economic decline — deaths of despair. This is a well established phenomenon with a known cause — the unemployment rate. It is not an oversimplification to make the claim that we are at a juncture where we can choose how people die — now, from coronavirus, or slowly over the many years to follow after an erosion of their economic prospects in life resulting in addiction or suicide. There is a further tragic irony inherent in the decision to curtail economic activity to flatten the curve of infections: all modeling on the ability of a society to limit the spread of coronavirus is based on incomplete data or speculative assumption about how restrictions on public life will translate to health outcomes. The economic modeling, such as that on possible GDP falls, deals with a problem so ludicrous in conventional peacetime economic analysis — indefinite forced industry closure — that there is no sensible set of parameters that can be fed in to get anything resembling a workable model. There is an immense amount of pain waiting for the global economy, but the fact that we can’t say how much or when has resulted in the near-universal proxy decision to ignore it entirely.
 
No news here, just a cat practising social distancing

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and some :terrifying: image with tips for your lockdown:

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But now we gotta do special ways to measure shit due to lockdown, and some were asking for general pass for the small kids while others just generally a laxer year. Hence, this graffity proclaims "we passed", except that the correct way to write it would be "Hemos sido aprovados.", as you can see... they passed this year.

Dude, I'm going to be a jerk and say it: it's "aproBados", not "aprovados". How the hell did you pass Selectividad/PAU?
 
So there are a lot of songs about the corona virus and that you should stay home, but with what's been going on recently I think we should try make a song to end the quarantine and have people who have the corona virus take Hydroxychloroquine.
 
Article in the Spectator about the cowardice of quarantines

https://archive.vn/rjJ8i

I'm honestly slightly fascinated by each country's reaction to this. And specially the rhetoric of the lockdown. In fact, I'm starting to think what's driving people's cooperation the most is simple rhetoric and the small things that really shouldn't matter too much.

Like, down here in spain lockdown got real hard (british and american lockdowns are more poached if anything) but it didn't feel like it was that much worse than elsewhere, and that's probably because the cops weren't checking what you bought, only how much you were out. The narrative stayed consistent: cops are your friend. They are out there to protect the healthcare system. If people get that they cooperate. That and the cops also helped raise morale a lot with comedy and songs and shit despite how seriouly hard it got for them. Like seriously had you told me before this that I would come to respect spanish policemen I would've laughed but right now they're god damned heros to me. That aside on the politicians side too, our gov took longer than it needed to act and it overdid it, but at least they made it obvious this is an emergency situation, it's a state of alarm, it WILL go back to normal, only question is at what pace. That, again, certainly helped people understand shit. And ISCIII has done everything in their job to help people understand this in context perfectly with Fernando Simon seriously doing so much more than people would ever expect of a mere human. That man is a legend incarnate. People generally cooperate when they have information. It keeps the citizenry focused on the problem at hand.

Meanwhile sweeden claims to be listening to the scientists but their percapita far exceeds where their density and climate should've landed them, they got a ton more deaths than they should yet it's like rhetoric alone got people giving 0 fucking shits. It's like all the gov has served them is rhetoric and egostroking and god they larped it up.

In britain meanwhile your lockdown's not as severe, but with cops threatening people over twitter and literally looking on people's bags? How can people NOT get ultrapissy at that shit?! And meanwhile you got crazies talking about the "new normal" and telling you this will be forever and literally asking for more restrictive measures while the muslims are allowed to do whatever they fucking feel like. How the fuck did ANYONE EVER think THAT is a way to keep the populace calm?! It feels like I'm looking directly into a fucking esperpento made real. (Esperpento is a type of parody mixed with dark comedy, described as the literary equivalent of deforming mirrors from a circus.) It's like every libertarian estereotype of the government becomes real. Just what the fuck.

And then we get into the states and despite that lockdown being f*cking RAW. The country's setting itself on fire! And how could it not? The democrats are more focused on destroying the right to protest and sanding fucking skateboarding parks than actually doing anything necessary, the cops just said they were scared of corona and fucked off like french armymen, Cuomo literally asked for middle america to be left to die for his precious fucking cities and was overt of his hatred of rural areas, all the news care about is racial bullshit.

And again, worst part is, it's really the most unnecesary shit that triggers this shit. Checking if people are buying beer is completely unnecessary, sanding skateparks is bullshit, the changes than most impact this, are the ones that actually restrict people's movement the least. There literally is no point to this shit. All they needed to do is keep people well informed and stay friendly. And they could do so much more restrictions that way, because human beings in the end listen to reason. But instead it looks like some politicians are more preocupied with making the puritans of the 90s look fucking sane in comparison!

Dude, I'm going to be a jerk and say it: it's "aproBados", not "aprovados". How the hell did you pass Selectividad/PAU?

You know worst part is I thought about it and convinced myself it was V. God damnit. Also, the answer as to how I passed selectividad is by stuying to the point where I still got a trauma over it, drugging myself to stay awake then drugging myself more to stay relaxed, and having good luck in the philosophy and literature tests (Nietzche, fuck yes, I was so scared about that one. I got so fucking lucky I'm a ww2 nerd. Him and Ortega were the 2 I knew best. I would've been so boned with fucking descartes or socrates.)
 
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In britain meanwhile your lockdown's not as severe, but with cops threatening people over twitter and literally looking on people's bags? How can people NOT get ultrapissy at that shit?! And meanwhile you got crazies talking about the "new normal" and telling you this will be forever and literally asking for more restrictive measures while the muslims are allowed to do whatever they fucking feel like. How the fuck did ANYONE EVER think THAT is a way to keep the populace calm?! It feels like I'm looking directly into a fucking esperpento made real. (Esperpento is a type of parody mixed with dark comedy, described as the literary equivalent of deforming mirrors from a circus.) It's like every libertarian estereotype of the government becomes real. Just what the fuck.

My anecdotal experience of the UK is that people are basically getting on with it - minimizing their trips outside the house, queueing patiently 2m apart when shopping, keeping their kids at home. Sure there's some ridiculous shit going on like the guy getting his door kicked in but, by and large, that is not representative and I think most people can see that there's a necessity to the lockdown, at least for now and are cooperating with it as best they can. And the situation was getting fucking scary a week or so ago where the supermarkets were running out of essentials, but that seems to have got much less bad. Now your weekly shop might take an extra hour due to the queueing but at least you can buy whatever you want.

Though you have to wonder about the economic implications of all this. Most people can't just work from home for an unlimited period. Most businesses can't survive being force closed for very long either. I reckon in a couple of weeks the daily death rate will fall and the government will start to end the more obnoxious parts of the lockdown and tell the police to not be so boneheaded in enforcing it. And then we'll see how much of the economy can restart itself. Some parts probably can. For other parts, like cells deprived of oxygen, the shutdown is not reversible. The ratio of restartable to not restartable parts is something we'll find out once the lockdown starts to lift.
 
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In britain meanwhile your lockdown's not as severe, but with cops threatening people over twitter and literally looking on people's bags? How can people NOT get ultrapissy at that shit?!

And then we get into the states and despite that lockdown being f*cking RAW. The country's setting itself on fire! And how could it not? The democrats are more focused on destroying the right to protest and sanding fucking skateboarding parks than actually doing anything necessary, the cops just said they were scared of corona and fucked off like french armymen, Cuomo literally asked for middle america to be left to die for his precious fucking cities and was overt of his hatred of rural areas, all the news care about is racial bullshit.

And again, worst part is, it's really the most unnecesary shit that triggers this shit. Checking if people are buying beer is completely unnecessary, sanding skateparks is bullshit, the changes than most impact this, are the ones that actually restrict people's movement the least. There literally is no point to this shit.

This is something I wanted to get more understanding on - people's different experiences of lockdown in different countries and regions.
The British lockdown that I've experienced is pretty light. I've basically had a slightly boring holiday for a month. You can go out for exercise once per day, and EVERYBODY is taking advantage of that. I've been getting in a few bike rides of a couple hours, some mates are setting new distance records on Strava with massive rides. My wife's only stopped going for runs because there are too many idiots wandering the streets that you can't keep a 2m gap. Far more people walking and cycling about than usual. It's also been the absolute best weather that I can ever remember for April. Pure blue skies, fantastic temperature, which helps.
The stories of police being dickheads - these are a few incidents from various parts of a country of 60 million. And you can bet that every instance of heavy handed policing is going to get reported. It doesn't seem to be central government policy.
As of today. I don't know anyone, nor have I heard any friend of a friend stories from anyone who:
- Has Corona
- Has had any interaction with the police.
The whole thing is like a phony war at this point. We've turned the country upside down for what seems to be equivalent to a bad flu season.

But in Spain you were confined to your apartments, except for trips to the shops I think?
The US rules vary by state and locality quite a lot.
How locked down is France and Germany? Spanish or British style. What are other countries doing, can we get a chart?
 
My anecdotal experience of the UK is that people are basically getting on with it - minimizing their trips outside the house, queueing patiently 2m apart when shopping, keeping their kids at home. Sure there's some ridiculous shit going on like the guy getting his door kicked in but, by and large, that is not representative and I think most people can see that there's a necessity to the lockdown, at least for now and are cooperating with it as best they can. And the situation was getting fucking scary a week or so ago where the supermarkets were running out of essentials, but that seems to have got much less bad. Now your weekly shop might take an extra hour due to the queueing but at least you can buy whatever you want.

Though you have to wonder about the economic implications of all this. Most people can't just work from home for an unlimited period. Most businesses can't survive being force closed for very long either. I reckon in a couple of weeks the daily death rate will fall and the government will start to end the more obnoxious parts of the lockdown and tell the police to not be so boneheaded in enforcing it. And then we'll see how much of the economy can restart itself. Some parts probably can. For other parts, like cells deprived of oxygen, the shutdown is not reversible. The ratio of restartable to not restartable parts is something we'll find out once the lockdown starts to lift.

I am glad to hear that but I must say from the outside it seems like british libertarianism is heavily on the rise as the opinion of the cops and gov plummets.

And really. I have to say it seems triggered not by the real hardcore measures, but by the petty shit. British cops were given a chance to show what they were made of, and they thugged for the radical leftie agenda and went full control freak. The government should've told them to cut that shit immediately. It makes no sense.

This is something I wanted to get more understanding on - people's different experiences of lockdown in different countries and regions.
The British lockdown that I've experienced is pretty light. I've basically had a slightly boring holiday for a month. You can go out for exercise once per day, and EVERYBODY is taking advantage of that. I've been getting in a few bike rides of a couple hours, some mates are setting new distance records on Strava with massive rides. My wife's only stopped going for runs because there are too many idiots wandering the streets that you can't keep a 2m gap. Far more people walking and cycling about than usual. It's also been the absolute best weather that I can ever remember for April. Pure blue skies, fantastic temperature, which helps.
The stories of police being dickheads - these are a few incidents from various parts of a country of 60 million. And you can bet that every instance of heavy handed policing is going to get reported. It doesn't seem to be central government policy.
As of today. I don't know anyone, nor have I heard any friend of a friend stories from anyone who:
- Has Corona
- Has had any interaction with the police.
The whole thing is like a phony war at this point. We've turned the country upside down for what seems to be equivalent to a bad flu season.

But in Spain you were confined to your apartments, except for trips to the shops I think?
The US rules vary by state and locality quite a lot.
How locked down is France and Germany? Spanish or British style. What are other countries doing, can we get a chart?

Right now you can only get out to go to the shops, walk the dog or tard, or go to work. At peak lockdown it was only essential work/shops and walk the dog (tard was added later and now nonessential jobs and shops (except paint and hardware) reopened too, next week we're walking the kid too).

Overall still a lot harsher. The news this morning compared lockdown security by country but it was a long segment in spanish, dunno if there's a chart.

Also, over here we only got 1 instance of a cop not believing that a guy was going to work by bike and he got criticized so hard the gov literally made a public note saying going to work by bike was legal. I think you give your cops too much leeway.
 
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Coronavirus say cheezzz:

Russian Federal Service on Surveillance for Consumer Rights Protection and Human Well-being (Rospotrebnadzor) said on Thursday that scientists at the Vector Institute in Novosibirsk have taken the first microscope images of the new coronavirus. Rospotrebnadzor said in a statement that the photos were taken using negative contrast method on a transmission electron microscope JEM-1400. They also stated that the size of the particle was 100-120 nanometres.


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More serious news: "The second wave"


Now, its shifted to "okay so its not that lethal BUT WHAT ABOUT THE UNKNOWN LONG-TERM SIDE EFFECTS, HRRRMMM?"

For those in the thread and elsewhere who keep asking "but what if it mutates/will it come back stronger and meaner/do people get lasting immunity", here's a Twitter thread you can go and read:

"If I had to guess, I would predict that #SARSCoV2 will behave similarly to existing seasonal coronaviruses in its ability to mutate to avoid vaccines and immunity. 9/12"
...
So, my prediction is that we should see occasional mutations to the spike protein of #SARSCoV2 that allow the virus to partially escape from vaccines or existing "herd" immunity, but that this process will most likely take years rather than months. 12/12

BU: https://threader.app/thread/1242628550563250176

A young nurse wrote this song after a nightshift at the hospital:


Israel is using this booth with gloved hands sticking out of to minimize contact during Covid-19 nasal swabs:


For other parts, like cells deprived of oxygen, the shutdown is not reversible.

I was watching these videos today about two giants of the aviation industry, Boeing and Airbus, and it was very sobering:


 
Looks like the Iranians have got this sorted . Those guys are smart .
The IRG have developed a magnetic Covid detector that works from 100 yards in 5 seconds.

Iranian CV detector at The Register
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LOL what the fuck is this? It probably does a better job at detecting Nixon's Chosen People than detecting the China Virus. Also one of the guys unveiling this contraption doesn't have a mask on and another one of the guys unveiling this contraption has his mask on incorrectly. I take back what I said, it probably doesn't detect Nixon's Chosen People that well either.

I love the simultaneous "ooohhhh" as they lift the sheet.
 
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LOL what the fuck is this? It probably does a better job at detecting Nixon's Chosen People than detecting the China Virus. Also one of the guys unveiling this contraption doesn't have a mask on and another one of the guys unveiling this contraption has his mask on incorrectly. I take back what I said, it probably doesn't detect Nixon's Chosen People that well either.

I love the simultaneous "ooohhhh" as they lift the sheet.

0:45 ... peak mask wearing.
 
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