The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

So i don't know how to edit images but I have an idea for one:
Part one of the picture is this
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With this under it
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(or another pmore appropriate picture of Cuckmann) saying this
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Regardless of what one may think of The Order 1886 I think we can all agree it's at least better than Last of Us 2.

Take for example Ready At Dawn's approach to designing a female character.

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I think everyone can agree that the biggest problem with The Order 1886 was the playtime to price ratio. It had little to do with the quality of the game (though I do remember a critique that there were too few monsters in a game about monsters).
 
A thing about the game is that it handles the meta-narrative aspect of gaming poorly, from what I've seen. As the game drags itself out over 15-30 hours from the word go. The scenes of levity are sprinkled through out but do not justify the player's urge to continue. From watching pieces of the game, the lead up to the revenge scene is dragged out and boring as halfway through that you switch characters and all the drive to continue is lost.
The revenge scene itself is done wrong, as you are playing as Abby not Ellie. You even beat the shit out of Ellie and leave. Then Abby gets kidnapped and you as Ellie have another chance at revenge, but that gets taken from you because of the narrative wanting Ellie to spare Abby rather than the player wanting to stop Ellie. Thus making the game feel pointless and hollow as all your effort was wasted.

If a game has the moral that revenge is pointless, don't make the main antagonist irredeemable in the players eyes or in the very least make the player actually able to kill them but in an unsatisfactory way. As the player needs some catharsis to reward the commitment that is playing through the story. If the player isn't able to kill the antagonist then make the player feel unwilling to. (I.E. instead of Abby getting rescued, Ellie should've been rescued so Ellie had an actual reason to stop killing Abby).

I feel developers (especially "Auteurs") take for granted how precious someone's time is.
 
Yes, it shouldn't have been a full 60$ priced game, but putting that aside I think it's a great game for what it is, probably the most underrated game of the 8th gen in fact.
Lower the price to say, 40 dollars or so AND package it with the PS4. The game did a wonderful job showing off what the PS4 could do, as a packaged game it would have both done that and been forgiven more.

As a standalone game,I think it has a couple issues. The relative lack of gameplay is one, but also the fact it teased a lot of its larger world without really USING it, felt more like a tech-demo/world-demo than a standalone game.
 
I don't know if anyone has noticed this yet, but there is at least one pride crosswalk in the Seattle section of the game. I have no issue with that, but unfortunately those sidewalks weren't added until June 2015, as evidenced by this article. In universe, the outbreak occurred in September 2013. Did somebody get a bunch of paint buckets to paint pride on the street two years into the end of the world?
 
I don't know if anyone has noticed this yet, but there is at least one pride crosswalk in the Seattle section of the game. I have no issue with that, but unfortunately those sidewalks weren't added until June 2015, as evidenced by this article. In universe, the outbreak occurred in September 2013. Did somebody get a bunch of paint buckets to paint pride on the street two years into the end of the world?

Given that Ellie refuses to eat bigot sandwiches, probably yes.
 
A game could be nothing but white noise and a deafening BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ but if for a microsecond an image of a woman and minority flashed on the screen these fuckers would say "YOU ONLY DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE OF THE DIVERSITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Remember the Sokol hoax, where a group of researchers submitted deliberate utter nonsense to a prestigious postmodern journal and it was actually printed? I feel like it would be fun to do something like that, only with "diverse" video games. See what the absolute shittiest possible garbage game is that these tools will defend because MUH REPRESENTATION. Then reveal that they were all played, to much butthurt.

I predict 8 million, which will still be a nice profit.

There's no way it's going to out-sell part 1, not with this terrible word of mouth. The only reason I bought part 1 (my opinion of TLOU1: it was fine) is because it came with my PS4. I WON'T be buying any PS5 that comes with TLOU2. I can't be alone.

But as I've said before, I expect strong sales during the first week with many pre-orders and people who avoided spoilers. There was too much goodwill from the first game for this one to fail.
The huge development expenses and marketing expenses (remember that stupid church that cost millions by itself?) mean that it has to sell extremely well to make a profit. Even if it makes a profit though the franchise is mortally wounded. A third installment will bomb.

The story flopped, but on a technical level, it definitely seems to be a landmark. I've seen a lot of devs on twitter gushing over stuff like the animations, physics interactions, and lighting.

It probably isn't a huge deal to the actual players, but there's a scene in the game where one character helps another take off their shirt and it's all done without clipping. Apparently, that's some insane technological achievement.
That's only because Druckman didn't have any ideas about how the technical aspects of the game should work, like if he decided to do lighting in some weird way "to bring out the darkness in Ellie's soul" or some shit. There's actually a really good (if somewhat old) example of this happening, where the guy in charge did to the technical aspects of the game what Druckman did to the story and it wrecked the whole game: Trespasser. An interview with someone who worked on it years after the fact revealed that the lead programmer insisted on some particular physics model, and it absolutely did not work, and they wasted way too much time fucking with it because this idiot wouldn't admit that his idea was just fundamentally bad. In the end they had to go with the shitty physics model because they were out of time, and they had to remove all the puzzles that relied on things like being able to stack crates without having the stack spontaneously violently shake itself to pieces.
 
Just like why do people even bother. There's so much good gaming out there they subject themselve to this

Because they haven't released Junkyard simulator on Steam yet so I can get drunk, chop shop up cars, and smash shit with a giant magnet all while selling cars to poor degenerates who probably worked at Naughty Dog as slave labor.
 
TVTropes I love wasting hours and hours reading but I hate how some people are abusing the impartial, drama-free, documentary-like nature of the website to put
Since we're posting bad TVTropes takes, I thought I could contribute a bit.

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The part about critics ignoring the actual tranny in favor of the not-tranny really stuck out to me, bait aside. It reminds me of this quote from Yahtzee (paraphrased): "If I don't mention a particular aspect in a review, assume that means I don't have a problem with it." You can say what you want about this approach, but I think it kinda applies here. People aren't making fun of the transman because, quite frankly, there's not much to make fun of: he's Abby's yes-man, but that's about it. On the other hand, Abby is just ugly-ugly model, ugly personality, ugly tits, ugly everything. People would bitch about her either way, but looking like a transwoman is just icing on the shit cake.

And besides, Neil's waifu being mistaken for a tranny will never not be funny.

Edit: I also love how they're currently using this picture in Abby's character profile.
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Such a dainty, delicate flower.
TVTropes I love wasting hours and hours reading but I hate how some people are abusing the impartial, drama-free, documentary-like nature of the website (or at least I thought it was supposed to have) in order to write their stupid opinion and possibly go into an edit war, or have a not-so drama-free YMMV page. I don't make the rules but I don't think that's what TVT is for. Keep it informative only with no bullshit.

Also tf, Abby is cis??? What? I knew Lev was trans but I thought both characters were trans. People make fun of Abby's physique because it doesn't look male or female nor is it really androgynous. It's a bunch of weird shapes that don't make sense like she was a cartoon character. I love attempting to make the weirdest, ugliest characters possibles in games but I never came so close to Abby. And she can't get away with it by being fugly because she's uncanny valley and her story and personality can't redeem her.
 
Not going to lie, I spent 2-3 hours arguing with fanboys on Reddit for shits and giggles. I learned that:

1. The ways they bend backwards to call this game a masterpiece borders on insanity, and their conviction is harder than bricks and my constipated shits.
2. Those same people don't seem to grasp how emotionally manipulative the game is, arguing that's just good writing.
3. They deny that developers are using the gay community as a shield against criticism, and the review bombing is a legitimate attack on trans people and lesbians, and any explanation otherwise is negrated to shit.

The consensus on Tumblr, on the other hand, is pretty harsh on the game, which is surprising for me.
That's why there are two subreddits, the one made solely for TLOU2 is where the salty people reside
 
TVTropes I love wasting hours and hours reading but I hate how some people are abusing the impartial, drama-free, documentary-like nature of the website to put

TVTropes I love wasting hours and hours reading but I hate how some people are abusing the impartial, drama-free, documentary-like nature of the website (or at least I thought it was supposed to have) in order to write their stupid opinion and possibly go into an edit war, or have a not-so drama-free YMMV page. I don't make the rules but I don't think that's what TVT is for. Keep it informative only with no bullshit.

Also tf, Abby is cis??? What? I knew Lev was trans but I thought both characters were trans. People make fun of Abby's physique because it doesn't look male or female nor is it really androgynous. It's a bunch of weird shapes that don't make sense like she was a cartoon character. I love attempting to make the weirdest, ugliest characters possibles in games but I never came so close to Abby. And she can't get away with it by being fugly because she's uncanny valley and her story and personality can't redeem her.
She is most definitely cis. People are saying she is trans because she has a physique not attainable by a natural woman. Even bodybuilder females on steroids have more than what Abby has for tits and they look less manly somehow. For someone like her to have arms that size she'd probably have to start off as an overweight woman and trim down. She obviously didn't do that and somehow she puts pounds of muscle on during the apocalypse. The way she looks at the end of the game should have been how she looked the entire time.
 
So lots of people are speculating that it went through a major rewrite, and there is something I caught that might be in line with that. In the flashback where ellie is learning to use the sniper rifle the guy she is with tells her that huge swarms of infected will migrate south for the winter. To me that seems like a set up and not some throw away line. From everything I've seen there isn't a part in the game where your stuck inside/on top of a roof/whatever when hundreds of infected are passing through. Maybe its an idea they had but there engine couldn't handle
because most of their programmers got poached by epic
We have a universe where freakish fungus zombies exist and they think a tranny sex scene will be shocking?

Where's my rotting mushroom penis tentacle monster? An infected gestalt that goes around raping women like a ravenous land ocotpus so that they may become corrupted brood queens to produce more individuals for the zombie mutant collective? Give me some real body horror shit. Like a goddamn flesh carousel of sexual reproduction.

Fungus can operate similar to ants and you have massive colonies, you would think the next step would be having actual hives and hierarchies within the infected.
So we have a whole situation where we know the infected will die in the cold and that's why they migrate. So basically large parts of Canada and and Greenland are huge ass safe zones in North America where it's fucking cold year round. And Russia would have already fully recovered by now. If you're to the point where you can observe predictable seasonal behavior, they would have been easily wiped out.

Every migration has choke points that's why predators set themselves up in the same specific areas in every animal documentary ever. If you can keep the infected from moving south they all die in the coming season. Hell even for song birds that are in danger for going extinct people find poachers' capture nets in the same places along the same paths year after year.
The deal with the migrating infected has so much potential, holy shit.

One of the directives infected ants have once the cordyceps get a foothold is finding a good place to root and die, so they can spread infection.

Humanity could be gathering in safe zones, slowly getting over the fucking shitstorm, until there's barely infected going around and we're only left with raiders and lunatics who refuse to settle back in society.

And we can get the big reveal that all the infected got into strategic migration spots, not to survive themselves, since they're just drones, vectors for infection; they got on key spots where the environment itself will spread spores over the country, sahara dust-style.
Im just gonna leave this here

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I felt like that scene in Snowpiercer where the Korean Dad sees a snowflake enter through a bullet hole in the window, and sees it melting.
I honestly didn't know but this was in TLOU1 credits...

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I hope Pogo & Trumpet left the company before this shit
How do you think they got the sounds of dogs dying?
 
Honestly Joel dying was bad but I think most people would forgive the game if Ellie brutally executed Abby and Lev at the conclusion. Her getting away scott free is what made the game irredeemable.
The game would almost be worth the pricetag if Ellie drowned Abby and finished off Lev, but that would've been transphobic or something.
 
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