2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[heathercho]

A friend who works for a... we'll call them centrist/right leaning news outlet here in Australia, was telling me about the reporting prep they're doing re : the U.S elections.
One of the scenarios is this :

If a terrorist attack, civil unrest or some kind of "attack" happened on election day, will MSM be trusted to report on it?
Will the report on it correctly and fairly or would it be more "peaceful protests"? Will they blackout any suppression this could cause?

The planning for terroristic events is very minimal and was something discussed in 2004/5 - https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2245&context=ulj

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So, in battleground states, specifically those that are democratic held atm, could violence be allowed to cause voter suppression and would that be something that would be hand-waved away by the state/municipal government/media?
A "you could have mail-in voted" type of thing.

It doesn't appear much has changed since 2004 in regards to some solid legislation around this type of event, more that it's down to local gov.
We've seen that state govs are perfectly happy to call destruction, violence, looting, assaults, murder and all-round terror "peaceful" and that they don't bother to intervene in such events.

So - does anyone know what would, if anything, stop people from doing this on election day? Would there be recompense in regards to voting?

 

[babadook]

Zoomers are a mixed bag of wokists, based and redpilled aryan (and honorary aryan) chungites, redditors, and alcoholic/drug addict normies. Couple this with the fact that the economy is shit, their future is bleak, the dating is abysmal, and to top it off zoomers are all the way at the bottom of the generational hierarchy with somehow the silent generation still standing on top. Not to sperg to much about dating, but it's hard for boomers to really understand how shitty it is. Unless you like to party theres no real way to meet people especially in current year, online dating is a mixed bag of 10/10 you will literally never match with 6-9/10 girls who have their egos inflated by filters and getting fucked by the top 20% of dudes because their decent enough to fuck, and the bottom half of women catfishing all the poor chumps who fall for their filters and angles that hide the fact that their obese ogres. To top it all off as soon as you acknowledge the issue people just scream incel at you like its supposed to mean something. Even before corona there was pretty much no reason to leave your house outside of work and groceries, now theirs literally no reasons to do so even if you're allowed to in your state. I don't think older generations understand how cooped up zoomers are.

*they're

 

[The High Prophet of Truth]

A friend who works for a... we'll call them centrist/right leaning news outlet here in Australia, was telling me about the reporting prep they're doing re : the U.S elections.
One of the scenarios is this :

If a terrorist attack, civil unrest or some kind of "attack" happened on election day, will MSM be trusted to report on it?
Will the report on it correctly and fairly or would it be more "peaceful protests"? Will they blackout any suppression this could cause?

The planning for terroristic events is very minimal and was something discussed in 2004/5 - https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2245&context=ulj

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So, in battleground states, specifically those that are democratic held atm, could violence be allowed to cause voter suppression and would that be something that would be hand-waved away by the state/municipal government/media?
A "you could have mail-in voted" type of thing.

It doesn't appear much has changed since 2004 in regards to some solid legislation around this type of event, more that it's down to local gov.
We've seen that state govs are perfectly happy to call destruction, violence, looting, assaults, murder and all-round terror "peaceful" and that they don't bother to intervene in such events.

So - does anyone know what would, if anything, stop people from doing this on election day? Would there be recompense in regards to voting?

Nothing would stop them. A good chunk of both parties have hyped themselves up on this being the election that decides America’s fate and anyone who opposes them needs to die. They are openly saying this on places like YouTube as well.

 

[Disc]

A friend who works for a... we'll call them centrist/right leaning news outlet here in Australia, was telling me about the reporting prep they're doing re : the U.S elections.
One of the scenarios is this :

If a terrorist attack, civil unrest or some kind of "attack" happened on election day, will MSM be trusted to report on it?
Will the report on it correctly and fairly or would it be more "peaceful protests"? Will they blackout any suppression this could cause?

The planning for terroristic events is very minimal and was something discussed in 2004/5 - https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2245&context=ulj

-----
So, in battleground states, specifically those that are democratic held atm, could violence be allowed to cause voter suppression and would that be something that would be hand-waved away by the state/municipal government/media?
A "you could have mail-in voted" type of thing.

It doesn't appear much has changed since 2004 in regards to some solid legislation around this type of event, more that it's down to local gov.
We've seen that state govs are perfectly happy to call destruction, violence, looting, assaults, murder and all-round terror "peaceful" and that they don't bother to intervene in such events.

So - does anyone know what would, if anything, stop people from doing this on election day? Would there be recompense in regards to voting?

The only thing is that those sorts of things tend to hit the highest-pop areas possible, both for the high number of people available to cause chaos/disrupt and the biggest impact possible.

Those are cities. aka Democrat strongholds.

Which means they'll either be hitting democrat areas, glow like a christmas tree or be in areas with people far less sympathetic to the cause. .

 

[Brahma]

Will there be a separate thread for the election itself?

We at least need a separate media/fan meltdown one for easy access to salty clips of people losing their mind on the losing side imo.

 

[2021Murder]

Last night an old pal from boarding school messaged me. All his adulthood he's been a part of the Massachusetts Republican (lol yes) Party. He's likely worked directly under Mitt Romney. He tried being a never Trumper in '16 but eventually settled. Of course this time, he's for Biden.

So he randomly messaged me declaring me "The Top Republican of the school alumni." Its not like I'm all that vocal about the GOP on Facebook.

Guess that's him giving up, like everyone else is. And it's a good feeling.

Are you new?

This is terrible news everyone on this forum is expecting a 2019 uk-esque result. Democrats get 39% of the vote and have as many seats in congress as they did in 1864.

It seems like a biden blizzard is coming for this country

Whoever thinks the 90s were America's golden years is retarded.

The 2nd half of the 90s was. The contract with america plus timmy slapping the fbi in the face meant the back half was pretty great overall, look at the complaints from back then, people's lives were too boring, they got a steady house and job and wife and kid and were bored. People reached the top of lazlos pyramid.

Been watching clips of debates past, specifically Regan. Remember when we used to shake hands and actually believe in the country instead of demonize the opposing side and try to tear it down with the entire country? Fuck, man. Things used to be so much brighter.

Its a false choice, "i want to make your women bitchy whores and your sons faggy autists and all your neighbors will be brown and hate everything about this country and so will your kids"

"Well lets just agree to disagee, if you promise not to do that ill pass whatever you want even bills that will allow you to do just that"

 

[Terrorist]

Why doesn't Trump help black people?

In a completely unrelated topic, Trump's $500M package for black America was seen as "pandering" and any black man that sides with Trump like Ice Cube and 50 Cent need to learn their place.

I hope it is just pandering that he'll memory hole after the election. $500B (billion, not million) to blacks is a fucking retarded idea otherwise, gibs don't work even if you slap a MAGA hat on them. If President Hilldawg did the same thing and called it "reparations", you'd be losing your shit and rightly so.

 

[axfaxf]

might be late, but this just popped into a feed of mine. comrade Biden, lol :

 

[Gehenna]

I hope it is just pandering that he'll memory hole after the election. $500B (billion, not million) to blacks is a fucking retarded idea otherwise, gibs don't work even if you slap a MAGA hat on them. If President Hilldawg did the same thing and called it "reparations", you'd be losing your shit and rightly so.

Except its not gibs, so much as targeted growth. If it were "We'll give you 1,000 dollars each" I'd cry foul. Instead its "We'll focus investment into poor urban areas, which are disproportionately black, to help them grow".

This is far more sane, and actually makes business sense. If you have a section of an economic entity (Whether it be a family owned business, large corporation, or national economy) that is under performing then you have three options to make it do better. Cut it off entirely, gut and rearrange it, or invest in it to give it better tools.

The first two simply aren't options here. You can't just ship off all the black people and it wouldn't solve the underlying poverty anyway. The second is tempting, but its unlikely the democrats controlling these areas are likely to be out voted any time soon. So, you are left with only the third, investment.

Now, I am skeptical of the exact feasibility of Trump's plan as its high on rhetoric and only moderate on details. But what he has actually suggested is workable and not just straight up racist like reparations would be. Its targeted investment that technically rises everyone with equal opportunity, there's just a lot more black people in the targeted areas than white people to receive said opportunity.

 

[Terrorist]

Except its not gibs, so much as targeted growth. If it were "We'll give you 1,000 dollars each" I'd cry foul. Instead its "We'll focus investment into poor urban areas, which are disproportionately black, to help them grow".

This is far more sane, and actually makes business sense. If you have a section of an economic entity (Whether it be a family owned business, large corporation, or national economy) that is under performing then you have three options to make it do better. Cut it off entirely, gut and rearrange it, or invest in it to give it better tools.

The first two simply aren't options here. You can't just ship off all the black people and it wouldn't solve the underlying poverty anyway. The second is tempting, but its unlikely the democrats controlling these areas are likely to be out voted any time soon. So, you are left with only the third, investment.

Now, I am skeptical of the exact feasibility of Trump's plan as its high on rhetoric and only moderate on details. But what he has actually suggested is workable and not just straight up racist like reparations would be. Its targeted investment that technically rises everyone with equal opportunity, there's just a lot more black people in the targeted areas than white people to receive said opportunity.

Like reparations, it's a plan marketed to black America explicitly on that identity basis. There's nothing in there for poor rural (white) areas for a reason. If it was meant as a universal program, it would be marketed as such.

There have been a million programs targeting the hood for investment and the hood is no better off. What you just gave was the liberal rationale given for all these failed programs since before we were born. Why will this be any different, because Trump does it?

 

[ditto]

Except its not gibs, so much as targeted growth. If it were "We'll give you 1,000 dollars each" I'd cry foul. Instead its "We'll focus investment into poor urban areas, which are disproportionately black, to help them grow".

In practice this turns into gibs with extra steps. Except going to the middle-class administrators and "community leaders".

 

[Maradontia]

Oh, hey neo Nazis. Happy Halloween. Just a reminder that on Tuesday, MAGA dies.

 

[Disc]

Oh, hey neo Nazis. Happy Halloween. Just a reminder that on Tuesday, MAGA dies.

I'm in a country who's celebration of halloween boils down to spoopy patterns on donuts.

What's your excuse for dicking around here today?

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Calhoun's experiments were focused on the effects of overpopulation, which was perceived as a central issue post-war. Admittedly, it was not focused on the effects of having a "utopia" necessarily, but the similarities between his experiments and society today is simply too much to pass off as a horoscope.

Everything that Calhoun made was specifically designed as closed systems with very specific architecture where no rat could engage, challenge, or otherwise interfere with the system. At best, you could say it's a mock-up of a 'rich people live lives of plenty where every need is catered for' city, which isn't even realistic to the real equivalents which either have the people working incredibly hard to maintain their status or fall apart as soon as there's a cog in the works.

One thing I've noticed - The Information Era is objectively the most prosperous period in human history, tantamount to a global golden age. Yet despite this, young people across the developed world from West to East have significant rates of depression, suicide, and a massive collapse in birthrate. Compare this to John B. Calhoun's "mouse utopia" experiment and the comparisons are incredible, if not depressing. If you haven't already, I highly recommend you go down the rabbit hole of his experiments.

For instance, there was a select group of mice called the "beautiful ones", which did nothing but groom themselves all day, comparable to social media addiction, or the males that completely withdrew from social interaction, comparable to the hikikomori in Japan.

One major thing people forget about is that Calhoun's experiments were flawed from the beginning for the simple fact that he provided no enrichment activities or objects for the animals involved.

Mice, and especially rats, are surprisingly intelligent, and playful and need things to do and keep themselves entertained with. This is something Calhoun did not factor into his experiments. He provided no toys, no new items to interact with, no wheels for the animals to run on, nothing. So, naturally with nothing to do besides eat, sleep, and fuck, and with increasingly cramped, and dreary quarters shared with antagonistic, and hyper-sexual creatures, it's no wonder the animals went batshit insane.

Just imagine how well you'd take it if you were trapped in what basically amounted to a large solitary confinement prison cell that you had to share with an ever-increasing population of incredibly violent, horny and bored strangers. Of course everything went to hell.

This is why his experiments don't hold up when you try to compare them to human life. Aside from the obvious fact that humans aren't mice, nor rats, humans have incredibly vast, and ever-increasing ways of entertaining themselves. These distractions might be a problem nowadays, but not having them would be even worse. Humans are blessedly creative and intelligent, and so long as they have ways to express those virtues, and maintain ways to keep themselves entertained, I don't think we would see an end result exactly the same as the ones in Calhoun's experiments. Make no mistake though, as gifted as us humans are, even we'd be rendered hopelessly insane if we had to share the same living conditions as the mice, and rats did.

Lastly, though I can't seem to find the source for it now, Calhoun's experiments were done again, this time with enrichment activities and items for the animals, and things went much, much better. The colonies still eventually died out, but they were nowhere near as hellish and chaotic as they had been prior.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Actually, I get why people look back at the 90's as a lost golden age, especially when compared to the 2010's and 2020.

Part of it is Millennial childhood nostalgia similar to the Boomer idyllic view of the 50's and 60's or Gen X's nostalgia for the 70's and 80's. But there's also an element to it that goes beyond mere nostalgia.

The 90's saw a massive economic boom in the United States and while crime was rampant in certain inner city areas, it was a lot more isolated and localized compared to the rest of the country and less intense than the even more widespread rates of violent crime in the 70's and 80's.

Not only was there a vibrant pop culture and a booming economy with burgeoning new technology, there was a sense of optimism that things were finally going to get better and we were headed to the future as we got closer to the New Millennium. People actually believed Francis Fukuyama's "End of History" theory had actual merit and at the time, it seemed kind of reasonable for the average American.

The Cold War ended peacefully and we were no longer living in fear of the inevitable nuclear apocalypse while the idea of a "War on Terror" seemed ridiculous at the time. There was a lot of shady stuff that was going on behind closed doors with the Clintons and the Bushes, but it was all closed doors and didn't extend beyond jokes about Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky.

9/11 was the first major blow to that mindset and then the Great Recession and the rise of Web 2.0 were the final nails in the coffin.



Agreed for the most part, although at least the Mouse Utopia has slightly more room to stand on than the writings of Marx or comparing directly to long gone ancient civilizations. It is interesting that the Mouse Utopia was an experiment to test the effects of overpopulation in a group whose needs are catered to and the Earth is at its most populated its ever been in history.

But as already pointed out, the Mouse Utopia was also laboratory controlled and mice aren't sapient like humans are.



Eh, there were plenty of pre-internet lolcows like Jack Chick (who was also a major Web 1.0 lolcow and was active during the Web 1.5 and 2.0 eras) or Dan Quayle plus Florence Foster Jenkins and William McGonagall even before that and most lolcows were usually localized as the village idiot or that weirdo who lives across the street.

The vast majority of lolcows wouldn't be found without the internet and some of them would get help but CWC was pretty much screwed long before he was even discovered by the internet

Chris was 25 years old when the internet discovered him. All that crazy stuff happened to a grown man(child).

Without the internet he'd be worse off, no one could have bought things from him or sent him anything.

 

[Terrorist]

The only presidents who successfully pulled that feat off in living memory were Bill Clinton in 1992 and Barack Obama in 2008 and both of them had a high amount of working class and middle class support across generational and racial lines.

With Clinton in '92, it was a feat because he was a dark horse candidate who did the impossible in winning over the MTV Generation while Obama in '08 was pretty much going to win anyway but he was a smooth talker and tapped into that wider resentment many newly registered Millennials had for Bush and the GOP.



Generation Z is the generation where the differences between the Early/Core/Late subgroups really stand out.

That right there gives me hope that the Core and Late Zoomers will be less susceptible to the "college trap" that @GrimProphet mentioned earlier. They've seen how it screwed over the Millennials and the very Early Zoomers financially and turned them into woke zealots. Some will still fall for it, but it won't be in the high numbers that the Millennials had. The Millennials made the mistake of thinking any degree is fine so long as you have one and it fucked them over.

The males are all "based and redpilled" as it is already and I suspect a lot of the women will be "semi-based and purple-pilled" after 2020 if they avoid the college trap. Especially the White women (and to a lesser extent, the Asians and Latinas)

Plus there's the brutality and thuggery of the BLM riots and the austerity of the lockdowns and how the media is browbeating anyone who dares to disagree in the slightest, even if it's just in a "I agree with the message but not the tactics" sort of way. All of this will drive anyone away regardless of gender, especially if they think it can be beat (which is why I think a Trump win this year will be crucial)

Then you've got the "Mean Girls on PCP"-tier antics of Woke Twitter and SJW women in general, plus all the rampant violence found among joggers and woke punk dykes that disproportionately affect women and children, and the fact that the Woke Left is rife with disgusting troons, bearded male feminists, and hood rat joggers, all of whom are known to be extremely predatory. This will repel a lot of younger women who see this as they're growing up, especially if they won't see it as inevitable and invincible.

These Zoomer girls sure as hell won't become Alt-Right 4chan shitposters, but they'll be a lot less amenable to the Woke Left than their Millennial and Early Zoomer aunts and older sisters.

Very . Zoomers are the brownest and gayest generation yet - lol if you think they'll save us. Like all generations, the vast majority of zoomers will conform to the culture they're in (or what cultural signals elites give in media and etc.), which is the exact opposite of "based and redpilled". Because it is the general milieu, Cultural Marxism won't be avoided by fewer zoomers going to college either, especially for women who are natural conformists (men often assume women think for themselves like men do, but this is incorrect).

If there is a backlash, it'll be against surface elements of CultMarx like "wokeness" and the SJW instead of Cultural Marxism itself (which is all being right-wing/conservative will mean to most zoomers). You will have woke liberals and anti-woke liberals, maybe with a far-right fringe.

 

[mindlessobserver]

It's looking like there is a general mobilization of the national guard ahead of the election. First time since World War 2. That's 2020 for you.

 

[Gehenna]

Like reparations, it's a plan marketed to black America explicitly on that identity basis. There's nothing in there for poor rural (white) areas for a reason. If it was meant as a universal program, it would be marketed as such.

There have been a million programs targeting the hood for investment and the hood is no better off. What you just gave was the liberal rationale given for all these failed programs since before we were born. Why will this be any different, because Trump does it?

Well, simple really. Trump is an actual businessman with knowledge and experience in real estate investment. Congress and presidents are overwhelmingly lawyers, with almost no experience with actual economics. The reason its happened so many times in the past is because it IS the best solution, but congress and the executive branch is full of massive egotists who believe they personally know exactly how to manage and create such a program while in reality having no idea how to make it work.

I won't say Trump does, I will say he has the background and experience that prior attempts did not. Whether that is decisive in it working is something I will not attest to, I can only attest that it will be more likely to.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Very . Zoomers are the brownest and gayest generation yet - lol if you think they'll save us. Like all generations, the vast majority of zoomers will conform to the culture they're in (or what cultural signals elites give in media and etc.), which is the exact opposite of "based and redpilled". Because it is the general milieu, Cultural Marxism won't be avoided by fewer zoomers going to college either, especially for women who are natural conformists (men often assume women think for themselves like men do, but this is incorrect).

If there is a backlash, it'll be against surface elements of CultMarx like "wokeness" and the SJW instead of Cultural Marxism itself (which is all being right-wing/conservative will mean to most zoomers). You will have woke liberals and anti-woke liberals, maybe with a far-right fringe.

By your standards, anyone who's one molecule to the left of the Puritans and could barely fail a paper bag test or spends any time at all enjoying entertainment is a Cultural Marxist. You're not getting your autistic edgelord "traditionalist" theocracy and nobody else wants it.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

One thing I've noticed - The Information Era is objectively the most prosperous period in human history, tantamount to a global golden age. Yet despite this, young people across the developed world from West to East have significant rates of depression, suicide, and a massive collapse in birthrate. Compare this to John B. Calhoun's "mouse utopia" experiment and the comparisons are incredible, if not depressing. If you haven't already, I highly recommend you go down the rabbit hole of his experiments.

For instance, there was a select group of mice called the "beautiful ones", which did nothing but groom themselves all day, comparable to social media addiction, or the males that completely withdrew from social interaction, comparable to the hikikomori in Japan.

Japan's suicide rate is dropping, though, certainly compared to back in WW2 when people were blowing themselves up with grenades because they thought they'd be enslaved after the war like they did to China.

https://nnn.ng/japans-suicide-rate-drops-for-10th-straight-year-to-record-low-in-2019/

https://nypost.com/2020/05/14/japans-suicide-rate-drops-during-coronavirus-pandemic/

In fact, on a global basis, rates of severe depression and suicide have decreased by 1/3 since the 1990s.

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Pro...e-rate-has-seen-a-net-decline.-What-caused-it

You have to distinguish between countries with traditionally high rates of suicide (Japan, Russia, etc) and the recent rise in the USA caused by the decline of rust belt and rural communities leaving people hopeless and alone. It's very much tied in to the American opioid crisis that blew up in the 2010s due to doctors prescribing them as cheap pain medication.

Also remember that boomers are the most at risk demographic for suicides.