2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[A_Callow_Youth]

The Military hierarchy hates Trump. He goes through Defense Secretaries faster than he does Russian prostitutes. Trump's had to fire several high ranking military leaders from his administration because they wouldn't take his shit. It started with Mad Dog Mattis.

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>Military hierarchy
Shot by Private Joe for treason

Welcome to the world of any means necessary, fucko. Maybe you shouldn't have played with words you don't understand.

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

The Military hierarchy hates Trump. He goes through Defense Secretaries faster than he does Russian prostitutes. Trump's had to fire several high ranking military leaders from his administration because they wouldn't take his shit. It started with Mad Dog Mattis.

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Those guys don't pick up the guns.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Donald Trump, as President of the United States, has the power, granted to him by the United States Congress, to declare that a coup is underway, and thereby order--ORDER--every male citizen between the ages of 17 and 45 to take up arms and do whatever they deem necessary to ensure that the coup is defeated, failure to comply is at best desertion and at worst treason: both are punishable by death. He can issue this without restriction and with no legal means to tell him off. The only way to stop him would be by force, and who is going to do that for you? The military? They fucking love Trump. AntiFa and BLM? They can't handle fucking tear gas, let alone bullets. Donald Trump can literally order the death of everyone in this country who does not want him to be President for a second term, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Does anyone else really want to see this at this point? Just have his supporters zerg rush the corrupt institutions and sweep them away and then refound the Republic. Maybe my hatred for the Democratic party is impairing my objectivity but it sounds good to me.

I asked my Grandfather, who was admittedly very keen on Hitler if this might not be risky and he said "Naah, it'll be fine".

 

[Puff]

Can we get on topic and ignore the obvious sockpuppet?

 

[Kane Lives]

Does anyone else really want to see this at this point? Just have his supporters zerg rush the corrupt institutions and sweep them away and then refound the Republic. Maybe my hatred for the Democratic party is impairing my objectivity but it sounds good to me.

No. Because you and I know that it isn't going to stop there.

At best, we'd have an Augustus situation where the emperor tries to keep the trappings of the old Republic, but de facto ruling as a dictator. It is likely to transition into an elective monarchy. At worst, we will see a massive civil war that will shake up the world order, and not in a good way. In both cases, the America as we know it will be gone forever.

 

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Can we get on topic and ignore the obvious sockpuppet?

Aww, but Taco's having so much fun.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

At best, we'd have an Augustus situation where the emperor tries to keep the trappings of the old Republic, but de facto ruling as a dictator. At worst, we will see a massive civil war that will shake up the world order, and not in a good way. In both cases, the America as we know it will be gone forever.

Is it worse than having Biden crowned as President by the media who will crown every future Democrat nominee half an hour into election night and then silence anyone who asks awkward questions about stuffed ballots?

Both are the apocalypse but one is a cold blue apocalypse of lockdowns, censorship, and silent anger and the other is a vibrant, life-affirming red apocalypse as the inhabitants of the center of the country descend on the cities in righteous fury and the police and military either join them or sit it out.

Also, I'm not sure that Trump wants to be Augustus. I think he wants to be George Washington who gets offered all sorts of royal shit as he heads up to the end of his second term and says 'No thanks, I'm going back to running my business. By the way, I'm launching Trump Media'. One thing this crisis shows is that the media has enormous power. If Trump Media takes over from Fox as the top news source Trump doesn't need to be in the White House to pull strings. Particularly if he's given grudging respect even by many of his opponents for defeating a coup attempt and then leaving office.

America isn't supposed to be the kind of country where people knuckle down and accept tyranny so their shitty lives stay about equally shitty. It's supposed to be the kind of place where all hell breaks loose and the Republic is preserved. Even if it takes a bloodbath to do it, as it did in the Civil War.

And honestly if American goes down to uniparty rule there's not a whole lot of hope for people outside America who are trying to resist it. If the elite can do it in the US, they can do it everywhere else where the notion of individual liberty has been much more thoroughly deconstructed in the populace.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

Can we get on topic and ignore the obvious sockpuppet?

Sure, no problem. This one's timing was just too good to not take the opportunity to go full authoritarian powerflex.

 

[There'll be another time]

Also, I'm not sure that Trump wants to be Augustus. I think he wants to be George Washington who gets offered all sorts of royal shit as he heads up to the end of his second term and says 'No thanks, I'm going back to running my business. By the way, I'm launching Trump Media'. One thing this crisis shows is that the media has enormous power. If Trump Media takes over from Fox as the top news source Trump doesn't need to be in the White House to pull strings. Particularly if he's given grudging respect even by many of his opponents for defeating a coup attempt and then leaving office.

America isn't supposed to be the kind of country where people knuckle down and accept tyranny so their shitty lives stay about equally shitty. It's supposed to be the kind of place where all hell breaks loose and the Republic is preserved. Even if it takes a bloodbath to do it, as it did in the Civil War.

I was struggling to paraphrase what I felt Trump would want to do in this case, but yes this is fairly close to what I feel.

Man doesn't strike me as the guy who wants to send out the RWDS and get that dictatorship rolling but is definitely the kind of person to get offered huge power and then turn it down afterwards so he can be smugly virtuous about afterwards, but hey I'm a sped so what do I know of people.

 

[make_it_so]

Why are liberals crying about democracy when they want to abolish the Constitution, take away our guns and believes in socialism? A few weeks ago they hated this country.

Because their version of "democracy" means "we win and get to crush our subhuman enemies into the dirt, forever, because we are on the right side of history." Go see the MovieBob thread for an idea of what a lot of these Blue Checkmarks mean (though usually have the sense to not say).

 

[CrystalHead]

I am really not a fan of how Tucker is being jerked off for the Sydney Powell thing. I hate how quick the left is to jump on the dicks of right wingers who say something negative about Trump. The fact they did it for John Bolton really shows how hypocritical.

Also does anybody a good resource about how alot of the ballots that showed up in the middle of the night only impacted the presidential races and not the congressional ones.

 

[iRON-mAn]

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No one cares.

 

[Kane Lives]

Is it worse than having Biden crowned as President by the media who will crown every future Democrat nominee half an hour into election night and then silence anyone who asks awkward questions about stuffed ballots?

Both are the apocalypse but one is a cold blue apocalypse of lockdowns, censorship and silent anger and the other is a vibrant, life affirming red apocalypse as the inhabitants of the centre of the country descend on the cities in righteous fury and the police and military either join them or sit it out.

Worse in terms of life lost and potential disruption of America as we know it? Absolutely.

Make no mistake, civil wars are never pleasant affairs. Just ask any of the survivors of civil war in Rwanda, former Yugoslavia and China. We're talking about generations of hatred being fostered and solidified among communities that were previously peaceable. Not to mention outside elements who will want to stoke the violence to ensure America will never recover from this anytime soon.

Biden's ascendancy is not ideal, yes. In fact, I think America will be irreparably damaged by this, if allowed to continue. But it won't be the apocalypse either. I predict there will be a tremendous effort to try and paper over the cracks, but the decline will continue, and balkanization is not far off, regardless. I believe it'd just be a managed decline instead, with increasing civil unrest that may or may not lead into a second civil war. But it will be less immediate than the first.

Also, on your musings that Trump being Washington? Maybe. It's hard to read Trump, but he does seem to show signs that he isn't really in it for power, unlike most career politicians.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Half the reason I want Trump to cross the Rubicon is that I find the notion of a post collapse North American kingdoms fighting to be declared the "Trump" (similar to how Caesar birthed Kaiser, Tsar, and such) to be absolutely hilarious

Funny thing is the title actually works.
Edit: Holy shit, this is the meme timeline. We broke it, guys.

>Trump Crosses the Rubicon. The Second American Civil War starts.
>The North (formed by the Nort-East and Mid West) takes the democrat's side. The South mobilices for President Trump. In the West, bastions form form for both factions and all out war breaks between neighbors. California first tries to join the North, then, seeing itself surrounded, resorts to declaring itself the New California Republic, and is promptly purged by internal infighting and external forces, in what would be known for years to come as a complete and unmitigated clusterfuck.
>China tries to take advantage, gets promptly broken into 7 by Russia, India and SEA. They didn't even come close to standing a chance.
>Putin's volunteers make a move through Alaska into the West, in response "Comrade" Justin Trudeau gives his allegiances to the Northern Liberals.
>However, this was not to last. Unbeknown to Trudeau, the Midwest was already about to fall to right wing internal rebels, while the North-East found common ground with Quebec, declaring the 5th International. In response, rural Canada's conservatives join the Midwest Rebels and declare the independent northern coalition. Trudeau, sandwiched between the two forces, looses all support and attempts to flee into exile but is found by the anarchists, publicly lynched and burned alive.
>Russia allows Alaska to join the northern coalition so long as they remain militarily allied in hopes of adding them to the belgrade pact. And keeps advancing through the West.
>Meanwhile Mexico's volunteers tried to help the south but wound up in a war against Cubaa and Venezuela, who created the Union of Caribbean Comunist Republics along Puerto Rico. Throwing the entire region into conflict.
>In Europe, the EU tried to join the Northern Liberals but the outrage caused nationalistic forces to erupt, causing most countries to either secede from the EU or be torn into their own civil war. At some point as the globalists were erradicated the nationals started fighting each other, muddying the waters even more. No one is even sure where the borders are at this point. Poland has been partitioned so many times people lost track, Germany nuked itself into submission but no one knows to whom, Luxemburg became the biggest force in central europe after France surrended to it (the day after war between the two factions was declared) and they used the army to invade Belgium, the Netherlands and the Rhineland in that order, Andorra controls the economic flow and weapons trade. There are 6 different factions all claiming to be Spain, none of which have any mutual allies or seem to have any connection to the prior government, one of which isn't even located on the Iberian Peninsula, but still claims ownership of half the planet by the Treaty of Tordesillas anyway. Portugal has become a gargantuan drug plantation and refugee camp, they seem happy about it.
>Israel was surprisingly left alone by all factions until 4 years after the start of what was now known as WW3 they were purged by nuclear fire. No one actually knows where the nuke came from, some claim it was an act of God meant to correct the timeline. Others claim nature itself couldn't bear to stand a war where the jews didn't get fucked, either way it is universally agreed this was for the better.
>After Donald Trump's death his successor Jeb Bush cemented the coalition between the Northern and Southern States, and finished their conquest of the West, creating the new american empire and being the first man to gain the official title of "Trump" in honor of his predecessor.
>He was expected to cement the entrance of America and Mexico into the Belgrade pact, but his unwavering rhetorical prowess and diplomatic might managed to change the pact in such a way that now Russia and Mexico would join the American Empire, making both presidents his client kings.
>The 5th International was eventually simply left alone because everyone agreed they weren't worth invading anyway. The region is now known as a land of ashes and mysery.
>Switzerland has eventually become the only country on the planet to remain neutral.

I'd read that book series.

 

[FMW13]

>Trump Crosses the Rubicon. The Second American Civil War starts.
>The North (formed by the Nort-East and Mid West) takes the democrat's side. The South mobilices for President Trump. In the West, bastions form form for both factions and all out war breaks between neighbors. California first tries to join the North, then, seeing itself surrounded, resorts to declaring itself the New California Republic, and is promptly purged by internal infighting and external forces, in what would be known for years to come as a complete and unmitigated clusterfuck.
>China tries to take advantage, gets promptly broken into 7 by Russia, India and SEA. They didn't even come close to standing a chance.
>Putin's volunteers make a move through Alaska into the West, in response "Comrade" Justin Trudeau gives his allegiances to the Northern Liberals.
>However, this was not to last. Unbeknown to Trudeau, the Midwest was already about to fall to right wing internal rebels, while the North-East found common ground with Quebec, declaring the 5th International. In response, rural Canada's conservatives join the Midwest Rebels and declare the independent northern coalition. Trudeau, sandwiched between the two forces, looses all support and attempts to flee into exile but is found by the anarchists, publicly lynched and burned alive.
>Russia allows Alaska to join the northern coalition so long as they remain militarily allied in hopes of adding them to the belgrade pact. And keeps advancing through the West.
>Meanwhile Mexico's volunteers tried to help the south but wound up in a war against Cubaa and Venezuela, who created the Union of Caribbean Comunist Republics along Puerto Rico. Throwing the entire region into conflict.
>In Europe, the EU tried to join the Northern Liberals but the outrage caused nationalistic forces to erupt, causing most countries to either secede from the EU or be torn into their own civil war. At some point as the globalists were erradicated the nationals started fighting each other, muddying the waters even more. No one is even sure where the borders are at this point. Poland has been partitioned so many times people lost track, Germany nuked itself into submission but no one knows to whom, Luxemburg became the biggest force in central europe after France surrended to it (the day after war between the two factions was declared) and they used the army to invade Belgium, the Netherlands and the Rhineland in that order, Andorra controls the economic flow and weapons trade. There are 6 different factions all claiming to be Spain, none of which have any mutual allies or seem to have any connection to the prior government, one of which isn't even located on the Iberian Peninsula, but still claims ownership of half the planet by the Treaty of Tordesillas anyway. Portugal has become a gargantuan drug plantation and refugee camp, they seem happy about it.
>Israel was surprisingly left alone by all factions until 4 years after the start of what was now known as WW3 they were purged by nuclear fire. No one actually knows where the nuke came from, some claim it was an act of God meant to correct the timeline. Others claim nature itself couldn't bear to stand a war where the jews didn't get fucked, either way it is universally agreed this was for the better.
>After Donald Trump's death his successor Jeb Bush cemented the coalition between the Northern and Southern States, and finished their conquest of the West, creating the new american empire and being the first man to gain the official title of "Trump" in honor of his predecessor.
>He was expected to cement the entrance of America and Mexico into the Belgrade pact, but his unwavering rhetorical prowess and diplomatic might managed to change the pact in such a way that now Russia and Mexico would join the American Empire, making both presidents his client kings.
>The 5th International was eventually simply left alone because everyone agreed they weren't worth invading anyway. The region is now known as a land of ashes and mysery.
>Switzerland has eventually become the only country on the planet to remain neutral.

I'd read that book series.

This is horrible fanfic and you should feel bad.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Worse in terms of life lost and potential disruption of America as we know it? Absolutely.

You're assuming the Democrats are really going to throw down over this. Most of them are unarmed. Antifa and BLM will not win if the US state uses the full power of its signals intelligence against them. You could see that during the riots when the Feds started arresting people and carting them off in minivans. If the Insurrection Act is in force they could all get 10 years for felony rioting.

Will there be massive demos? Yeah, most certainly. Arrest the AntiFa and BLM types and use riot police to stop the riots and it will be just like the status quo. Also, keep the riots confined to Democrat-run big cities and blame local politicians for them. Point out they aren't happening in Republican-run areas.

At this point, it looks less like a civil war and more like the BLM fuckery we saw in the run-up to the election, except that the Insurrection Act gives more scope for Federal authorities to pick off ring leaders and sentence them to lengthy prison terms.

The only problem is that the SCOTUS and the Republican state legislatures are all in Democrat-run areas. However, you could imagine using Insurrection Act troops, SIGINT-led policing, curfews, COVID lockdowns, and the like to keep those protected from rioters.

 

[Random Internet Person]

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This is what I've been worried about for a while. The system in the affected states mixed in the votes and thus made it impossible to pull bad ones out after the fact.

So what remedy can be put in place, exactly? Sending things to the legislature?

So is this the poison pill the fix inserted? If anything, it seems they're REALLY trying to bait Trump into invoking the Insurrection Act or something like it to force him out of office.

They're likely to still file a lawsuit and, if they're lucky, get an actual audit this time ordered by the SCOTUS where there's no room for fuckery. Honestly though, I feel like AZ and GA are the least likely of the 5 contested states to flip (I know there's also NV but I don't expect anything there), and I never thought I'd be saying this in comparison to the Rust Belt states.

Why were people freaking out over Georgia.

I thought it was well established that nothing would change due to it not being an audit and it would fall to a mix of Trump lawsuits and the State GOP putting pressure on the SOS and Kemp.

Well, people seemed to underestimate what Atlanta and Stacy Abrams were doing down south. Now look at what's happened? How many states has this been done in now, this Illinois model? It'll cement forever Democrat rule if they get into a certain number, I feel.

Until the December 14th deadline. Gore did it in 2000. It was the SC ruling plus the threat of the FL legislature sending in their own slate which ultimately made him fold.

Note also that recounts continued even after the SoS certified the results.

There is no limit (as far as I know), with not even certification being a hard deadline if the courts order it, but I imagine that each request for a recount comes with diminishing returns- you can only justify having yet another recount so many times. In this case, it should be easily justifiable due to the thin margin and improper conditions of the recount (lack of signature verification and observers not being allocated appropriately), but if the outcome doesn't change even with a proper audit, I doubt Trump's team can go much further (that being said, the odds of Trump legitimately losing any of these 5 states seem pretty low to me, the strongest statistical evidence in my opinion being the bellwether counties).

Sounds like Trump will go until there's full audits everywhere...or until he hits 270.

- Ex-President Trump? No one who still watches TV will care following Jan 22 unless CNN wants to resort to reporting about Twitter spergs demanding he be locked up or some shit.

You underestimate how much Trump is hated. WHole shows can be given to the pursuit of Trump being arrested and the shit he's pulling . And then you got stuff like Russia, the people who died on Trump's watch due to COVID, and all the people in office who stood up to Trump, from Jenny Durkan to ted Wheeler to Bill de Blasio, to all the protests of this summer which they say was the real start of the hard part of the revolution. Trump hate is an all you can eat buffet for news channels.

If Dominion has employees that have flipped, well, we're gonna see some shit.

That is unless assassins get to them first.

 

[jje100010001]

A part of me wants a Biden Administration just to watch the media landscape collapse and try to rebuild itself.

AT&T is trying to dump CNN despite a COVID stimulus that will probably come from Biden. So CNN should still make money in one form or another.

So AT&T is either thinking "CNN isn't worth keeping despite stimulus checks" or "Things are so bad we can't keep CNN."

Then we HuffPost being bought by Buzzfeed. Other smaller sites have already been folded into other companies.

The media is going to keep cannibalizing itself until they start doing actual quality journalism. Which isn't going to happen because they are in a death spiral.

You’re more likely to see a similar occurrence to what happened in Canada- the increased prominence of a national broadcaster over a longer term, and a media bailout that ties legacy media to the hip with government and raises conflict of interest questions.

Simultaneously, you’ll start getting ponderings over how much of the ‘new media’ needs to be regulated to stop ‘fake news’.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

Things must be getting pretty bad in here if people are now fantasizing fanfiction about Trump actually being Caesar all along and saving them.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Things must be getting pretty bad in here if people are now fantasizing fanfiction about Trump actually being Caesar all along and saving them.

Oh come on I thought the fact I used Jeb as the great unifier would make it obvious I was just memeing it up. (I can see why people missed the Nuke From God hitting Israel being a meme though, that was totally believable.)