The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

[LocalFireDept]

The defense doesn't need to make the prosecution's witness look foolish. He gave no evidence relevant to the Floyd case.

Today's testimony was like a police officer being on trial for shooting a suspect and the prosecution having someone from the police testify that it is against police policy to shoot a suspect that is not a threat.

Problem for the prosecution is the defense will put up a large image for the jury to see with the suspect with a gun in his hand pointed at the officer.

LIkewise for the Chauvin trial we have the suspect on camera exhibiting direct signs of Excited Delirium and the police training material are explicit that such suspects are a threat and need to be restrained until the EMT arrives and is able to administer something to enable them to be safely transported.

There is no gray area. And it something even the dumbest of the jurors can comprehend.

With how much of a shitshow the prosecution's case has been so far, there is a desperate desire for something to seize upon. Today's testimony sure as hell wasn't it.

You are correct, and if I recall correctly, the judge is permitted to speak with the jury and bascially say "you can deliberate and come to your own verdict how you like, but in summary, here's how things look..." (please do correct me if I'm wrong on this).

A jury trial doesn't leave the evidence up to interpretation, it is presented as the only fact that matters. I don't believe anyone disagrees with that point you have made. What the jury is determining is, based on the evidence they have been presented or lack thereof, whether they believe Chauvin is guilty of the charges against him or not. They may only make a decision based on the testimony they've heard, but how it is presented certainly factors in to how they will interpet it and that is where bringing in character witnesses and how a juror "feels" about the testimony comes into play. The evidence not only needs to true, but it must be presented to the jurors in a way that leaves no doubt in their mind when it comes to delivering their verdict. Even the dumbest juror should know to only make a decision based on the evidence provided to the court, but God can always build a better fool. If they're trying to establish at least third degree/depraved heart murder, how the jury feels can matter, as the prosecution would need to reasonably establish that Chauvin is indeed a "bad person," which is somewhat a subjective thing, and chose not render aid he could have given because he is a "bad person"

Personally, I hope that jurors will be swayed more by reason than by emotions. Especially when a great deal of the prosecution's witness have poked tons of holes in their "slam dunk" case.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

If anyone thinks a jury of mostly women and non-white jurors will seriously not vote guilty is nuts, especially with them *knowing* that if they deliver any other verdict there is a price on their head. If even one of them holds out and causes a mistrial the juror would be instantly outed by the other ones so they could save themselves.

Eh, people on the jury of George Zimmerman knew the city would burn and still voted to find him not guilty. Same in Ferguson too.

That said, you may be right. All I know is that you couldn't pay me enough to be on that jury, or even on the jury of any high profile case like it.

 

[SITHRAK!]

Sorry - I wasn't accusing YOU of moving goalposts, necessarily.

Couldn’t help but notice your locked profile, low post count, and utterly savage takedown of @doctor. dude. Assuming you’re not a sock account, nice entry to the farms.

 

[Crab Zone]

Prosecution got a police lieutenant to admit that restraining someone that was no longer a threat when they require medical aid is not protocol.
The defense could only argue "It's complicated."

The defence just needs to provide some kind of evidence that the officers involved felt the gathering crowd was aggressive towards them making them unable to stop restraining Floyd as they had to hold position and wait for medical.

They already have established this via the EMT fire chick who said they had to do a pick up and go instead of attempting resuscitation on the scene because the crowd was viewed as hostile and dangerous. Linking that to the officers view of the crowd being hostile is easy.

 

[Mnutu]

Eh, people on the jury of George Zimmerman knew the city would burn and still voted to find him not guilty. Same in Ferguson too.

That said, you may be right. All I know is that you couldn't pay me enough to be on that jury, or even on the jury of any high profile case like it.

Just the opposite - I’d gladly sit on that jury for fucking free.

 

[Random Internet Person]

If you're a regular of the show, if you consider his upbringing, you can understand the position he's in. It's obviously a The Color Purple spoof, but his "adoptive" family character traits bring it to life.

I don't take Uncle Ruckus serious. Many people exist that hate their own race. When you take into account McGruder's complex political commentary and current event, you can't help but laugh, love, even AGREE with Uncle Ruckus.

As an aside, we need a Boondocks thread ASAP.

Ummm... I try my best. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-boondocks.87968

 

[artilleryfroth]

Just remember that every member of that jury really wants to be there, or is too stupid to get out of it. It would have been simple to get out of this one, just blurt out “I hate cops”, or “I hate black people”, or “I met Derek at a party once, he’s a really great guy”. So you’re left with either complete morons or attention-seekers who are probably gunning for a book deal. So what verdict would give you the best chance of writing a book or working the talk show circuit...?

 

[Vesperus]

Just remember that every member of that jury really wants to be there, or is too stupid to get out of it. It would have been simple to get out of this one, just blurt out “I hate cops”, or “I hate black people”, or “I met Derek at a party once, he’s a really great guy”. So you’re left with either complete morons or attention-seekers who are probably gunning for a book deal. So what verdict would give you the best chance of writing a book or working the talk show circuit...?

Maybe they just wanted to do their civic duty?

 

[Crab Zone]

Just remember that every member of that jury really wants to be there, or is too stupid to get out of it. It would have been simple to get out of this one, just blurt out “I hate cops”, or “I hate black people”, or “I met Derek at a party once, he’s a really great guy”. So you’re left with either complete morons or attention-seekers who are probably gunning for a book deal. So what verdict would give you the best chance of writing a book or working the talk show circuit...?

Probably every verdict except for a hung Jury.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Why did Null take the Optimistic rating away?

Like I get the "winner" and all the negrates, but really? What did our rainbows do?

So many posts about "what the jury will do" I want to rate as Optimistic

 

[Brahma]

Why did Null take the Optimistic rating away?

Like I get the "winner" and all the negrates, but really? What did our rainbows do?

So many posts about "what the jury will do" I want to rate as Optimistic

Thunk provoking too. I don't like giving disagree but I still love you because it's still neg.

 

[Vesperus]

Probably every verdict except for a hung Jury.

The way it's going, it should be a hung prosecution...

NO THAT IS NOT A THREAT, WHATEVER LURKING IDIOT THOUGHT IT WAS.

THE PAST TENSE OF THAT VERB IS "HANGED".

READ A FUCKING DICTIONARY. AND LOOK UP "RETARD" WHILST YOU ARE THERE.

(ALSO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "WHILE" AND "WHILST")

Fucking CNN.

 

[Serbian Peacekeepers]

wish i was in a betting pool for this , dudes 100% gonna be found guilty , and after a few years probably released after a appeal

 

[Never knows best]

Another awful reverend, this time mocking Rush Limbaugh for getting over his painkiller addiction, which somehow makes him comparable to a life time criminal overdosing.
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Despite the fact black people killed her family, she blames white supremacy
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She also cried when Kamala got sworn in
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https://archive.md/ogJ9a

Ah yes the Female "Reverend", the fucking reformation was an unwelcome third party to the traditional schism

 

[Vesperus]

Like I get the "winner" and all the negrates, but really? What did our rainbows do?

You turned Biden so gay you have a troon as assistant secretary of health.

Someday you will answer for that...

wish i was in a betting pool for this , dudes 100% gonna be found guilty , and after a few years probably released after a appeal

Yeah. He cant be allowed to be innocent, but god help everyone if the police union calls a general strike.

He's fired, only crime is not being God, will get out on appeal in 3 months and retire to Pensacola to coach softball.

Only fuckers I feel sorry for live in Pensacola...

 

[Dumpsterfire Enthusiast]

Thunk provoking too. I don't like giving disagree but I still love you because it's still neg.

Not sure why thunk provoking was removed but feels was left in. Accurate to the trial i guess

 

[Brahma]

god help everyone if the police union calls a general strike

Unions and upper echelons are pozzed and|or part of the Democrat machinery.

You saw the Lt try to throw him under the bus. Their might be a bit of grumbling from the ranks and maybe upper echelon in specific units that have to deal with street shit.

 

[7he47r0n]

Why did Null take the Optimistic rating away?

Like I get the "winner" and all the negrates, but really? What did our rainbows do?

So many posts about "what the jury will do" I want to rate as Optimistic

I think that Dear Leader is sick of looking at rainbows.

 

[Vesperus]

Unions and upper echelons are pozzed and|or part of the Democrat machinery.

You saw the Lt try to throw him under the bus. Their might be a bit of grumbling from the ranks and maybe upper echelon in specific units that have to deal with street shit.

Lt wants a run at local office. He has done math where the votes are.

 

[Denmark Mafia]

Be honest Kiwis... Would you hate fuck?