The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

[Fields Of Rye]

Don't forget the 5.6ng norfentanyl and morphine levels so it was even more.
I'm not an expert but I think we could go with about 18ng/L, Maybe 20?

Norfentenyl is from Fentanyl. It's a metabolyte. Meaning it came from the Fent.

Meaning yes. There was about 18 mg of fent. Or, conservatively, 1440 ng/ml equivalent of Morphine. Or 1.44 ug/mL. Highest range is 1.8 ug/mL of morphine.

The average EC50, or effective dose, where half the population feels the maximum desired effect, is 78 ng/mL of morphine.

meaning at best, Floyd took 18x the recommended dose, although he is a big fella. Furthermore this is not including interactions with meth.

Christ we knew he was high but this is very, very high.


I'm beginning to get outside my field of expertise here, but there were around 80 ng/mL of morphine is his urine. I know it's possible to build a timeline so but I don't know how the excretion and stuff works with Fent, so I'm more useless than usual once it leaves the brain.

Hannepin County prosecutors have announced that SEVEN Chemical Engineers will testify that Floyd did not OD, nor consumed fentanyl during his arrest. These proud academics are pictured below. We got too cocky bros, Chauvin's done for.

I don't know if you're joking that drug dealers are gonna defend him, but if they chose chemical engineers they are royally fucked. Chemical engineers don't take a single biology class unless it's biochem engineering, which sure as hell isn't going to be working on shit we can already get from plants.

 

[Slav Power]

Where was George Floyds mask at the time of the murder? Why wasnt he social distancing? If he had covid why did he not stay home to help #Flattenthecurve?

If he couldn't breath without the mask, forcing him to wear one would be considered as first degree murder.

 

[MoeChotto]

I don't know if you're joking that drug dealers are gonna defend him, but if they chose chemical engineers they are royally fucked. Chemical engineers don't take a single biology class unless it's biochem engineering, which sure as hell isn't going to be working on shit we can already get from plants.

I'm pretty sure it was just a joke. But I am curious, who's left on the prosecution's witness list? I was under the impression due to the early adjournment on Friday and the fact that Friday's witnesses were the prosecution's strongest ones so far that prosecution is all done calling witnesses, but I'm probably wrong.

 

[Not Really Here]

I'm pretty sure it was just a joke. But I am curious, who's left on the prosecution's witness list? I was under the impression due to the early adjournment on Friday and the fact that Friday's witnesses were the prosecution's strongest ones so far that prosecution is all done calling witnesses, but I'm probably wrong.

They will probably end their list with Michael Baden asserting that Floyd was killed with positional asphyxia.

 

[Fields Of Rye]

I'm pretty sure it was just a joke. But I am curious, who's left on the prosecution's witness list? I was under the impression due to the early adjournment on Friday and the fact that Friday's witnesses were the prosecution's strongest ones so far that prosecution is all done calling witnesses, but I'm probably wrong.

Man you say that but I really wouldn't be surprised. We've had Highschool MMA fighter, and 9 year old girl, and Captain VanDyke McHamplanet with a weekend of EMT training.

 

[Flip: Draw 2]

Norfentenyl is from Fentanyl. It's a metabolyte. Meaning it came from the Fent.

Meaning yes. There was about 18 mg of fent. Or, conservatively, 1440 ng/ml equivalent of Morphine. Or 1.44 ug/mL. Highest range is 1.8 ug/mL of morphine.

The average EC50, or effective dose, where half the population feels the maximum desired effect, is 78 ng/mL of morphine.

meaning at best, Floyd took 18x the recommended dose, although he is a big fella. Furthermore this is not including interactions with meth.

Christ we knew he was high but this is very, very high.


I'm beginning to get outside my field of expertise here, but there were around 80 ng/mL of morphine is his urine. I know it's possible to build a timeline so but I don't know how the excretion and stuff works with Fent, so I'm more useless than usual once it leaves the brain.


I don't know if you're joking that drug dealers are gonna defend him, but if they chose chemical engineers they are royally fucked. Chemical engineers don't take a single biology class unless it's biochem engineering, which sure as hell isn't going to be working on shit we can already get from plants.

To add to why Floyd might've OD'ed on Fentanyl in particular, one ABC host pointed out that drug dealers will sometimes give Fentanyl saying it's a normal opiate. The GF even describes one time taking a normal prescription drug and instead of feeling relaxed was up all night so it likely happened to the couple before.
If Floyd thought it was just prescription medication he might've thought he could handle taking more than your average dose but since it was actually Fentanyl he was a goner.
Edited for being retarded on the subject.

 

[Not Really Here]

To add to why Floyd might've OD'ed on Fentanyl in particular, one ABC host pointed out that drug dealers will sometimes give Fentanyl saying it's opium. The GF even describes one time taking a normal prescription opiate and instead of feeling relaxed was up all night so it likely happened to the couple before.
If Floyd thought it was opium he might've thought he could handle taking more than your average dose but since it was actually Fentanyl he was a goner.

It's going to be an uphill battle for the prosecution to argue that the drugs couldn't have been what killed Floyd, and if they can't eliminate that as an option the jurors have a big fat reasonable doubt sitting in their minds.

 

[Niggernerd]

Where was George Floyds mask at the time of the murder? Why wasnt he social distancing? If he had covid why did he not stay home to help #Flattenthecurve?

Could this be the end of dinduism as saint floyd didn't believe or trust in the science?!?

 

[gangweedfan]

Could this be the end of dinduism as saint floyd didn't believe or trust in the science?!?

No Saint floyd (KBUH) died for our sins of racism and covid-19 and thus protected all BLM protests from the virus. This is why archbishop fauci (MBUH) supports the protests.

 

[SkunkFeet]

We have got to the point where suggesting that we ought to examine the evidence and facts before jumping to conclusions brands you as hateful, radical, and evil to the core.

The most ironic thing about it is that evidence and facts are so freely available to us now more than ever but people are more willing to let other people handle the "critical thinking" for them. Within fucking hours I learned Floyd was a failed rapper and starred in some random shitty porno. That's shit you wouldn't hear about until A&E or some other channel did a documentary on the bastard.

 

[EvaBraunsGhost]

I think the intent was legitimately just to restrain but he really looked like a psycho with how he was grinding his knee in and taunting him with "you cant win" before the pin. Even if he was just trying to pin him though taunting him while doing it and not getting off when GF agrees to get into the car is kinda being needlessly sadistic and should probably be at least a negligence charge

Touching story there, bro, but it wasn't Chauvin (or any of the other cops) telling Floyd "you can't win" it was the old black dude on the pavement - same one who testified in court that he was telling GF to "calm down" else he "give himself a heart attack"

I'm going to propose a radical idea:

Defending the people who are in the right, not in the wrong. Not choosing who you defend because "lol, niggers" or "ACAB!". Looking at the facts of a situation, and making your judgement on those, not on what group you think it's "pathetic" to defend or some shit.

^This

I admittedly generally veer not as far as ACAB, maybe (many)CAB, but I really can't see what Chauvin or any of the others did wrong here

What I'm seeing is a big black dude absolutely caked off his face, and a bunch of coppers who were exceedingly patient, polite and accomodating with said black dude - he was gonna do himself an injury how he was flailing and fighting in the back of that cruiser (and that's without taking into account what the drugs were doing in a body fighting like that)

They got him out, restrained him per protocols until EMS arrived, whilst dealing with a baying crowd of lunatics who could have turned the situation bad at any given second

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Yea I don't even have words for how offensive AND ignorant this shit is...GF was NOT 'lynched', he was NOT 'executed', he took a fucking huge pic n mix of drugs, and overdosed while resisting arrest

Comparing him to Jesus? Fuck you, just, fuck you - fake Christians all of them

I don't see how anyone can say the amount of drugs in his system had nothing to do with his death. I may not be a toxicologist but neither are they, and if you have lethal amounts of one drug, preexisting severe heart problems, recently had COVID-19, and had a shit ton of other drugs in you as well, how can anyone definitively say that had nothing to do with heart failure?

I don't either, and honestly the only people who could say that are either completely unaware, intellectually dishonest - or maybe both

It's not even so much what would be for 99% of people (tolerance or not) a lethal dose of Fent, mixing an opiate and a stimulant is tremendously risky even for people without pre-existing heart issues

The two together are greater than the sum of their parts - the body is literally fighting itself because it doesn't know, literally, whether it's coming or going...and although the person may appear alert and overstimulated, the opiate is still doing it's depressant thing in the background
If you've ever watched anyone doing a speedball/snowball and the aftermath, it's like observing someone on a rollercoaster...up up up...gouching out the next, then boom the stimulant can kick in again and it goes on - not hard to see why the heart struggles to keep up

Generally the stimulant will wear off quicker, still leaving the possibility of an opiate OD on the table (although it seems delayed)

I found a friend years ago in much the same situation as GF - seemed fine and dandy, went off to make a cuppa and didn't come back out of the kitchen - there he was on the floor frothing at the mouth, going blue, seizing and in opiate OD

Seems the media are doing everything to push people away from even considering this though...if it doesn't back up their narrative that Georgie was brutally executed by racist white cop, they'll try to pretend it doesn't exist - trouble being most people are so fucking lazy and spoon-fed they accept the media narrative without question

Sad times we live in...

 

[pwnest injun]

If i remember right they tested Floyd’s corpse for covid and it was positive.

He claimed that he had recovered, and that's likely true. He would have still tested positive for traces of the virus, especially using the excessive PCR technique that was popular at the time in order to artificially inflate case numbers.

Still, even though he seemed relatively fit, he was of an age where side effects such as permanent lung damage would be likely to some extent. Something else that SARS-2 does is cause blood clots, and something that blood clots occasionally do is hang out in the large veins of the leg. If you've ever heard about a deep vein thrombosis, it's that. So the clot is parked in a spot, waiting to be dissolved, when someone does something real stressful like get into a scuffle, and that clot fires off somewhere and croaks you. For example, that one Capitol Hill PD guy that the media said was bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher? Sicknick? Turns out he wasn't hit or battered at all. He had a shoving match and got pepper sprayed, but the exertion was enough to knock loose a clot that lodged itself in his brain and he died from a stroke that night while sleeping.

 

[Gehenna]

Norfentenyl is from Fentanyl. It's a metabolyte. Meaning it came from the Fent.

Meaning yes. There was about 18 mg of fent. Or, conservatively, 1440 ng/ml equivalent of Morphine. Or 1.44 ug/mL. Highest range is 1.8 ug/mL of morphine.

The average EC50, or effective dose, where half the population feels the maximum desired effect, is 78 ng/mL of morphine.

meaning at best, Floyd took 18x the recommended dose, although he is a big fella. Furthermore this is not including interactions with meth.

Christ we knew he was high but this is very, very high.


I'm beginning to get outside my field of expertise here, but there were around 80 ng/mL of morphine is his urine. I know it's possible to build a timeline so but I don't know how the excretion and stuff works with Fent, so I'm more useless than usual once it leaves the brain.


I don't know if you're joking that drug dealers are gonna defend him, but if they chose chemical engineers they are royally fucked. Chemical engineers don't take a single biology class unless it's biochem engineering, which sure as hell isn't going to be working on shit we can already get from plants.

My knowledge of chemistry is limited, but I can read and have read a few notes on drug usage and Floyds autopsy. The estimation was that his numbers of fentanyl at the time of death were roughly one-fourth what he'd have at the peak.

 

[Miss Misery]

I used to be in the police in the UK, I went and found some old "use of force" training stuff. Here is what they teach to take into account (on both sides) here:

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We also had detailed notes on computer systems about how previous interactions/arrests with individuals had gone with things such as runner, fighter, fakes injury etc. that we would be told if we knew who we were going to deal with. It will be interesting if the 2019 arrest was similarly recorded and relayed to the responding officers when they ran the name.

So even here you would have a good shout for piling on and pinning Floyd.

That said it was made absolutely abundantly clear in training that if you do something and it comes down to your ass or the force's you're going to find a lot of colleagues on the other side. I certainly saw some "greater good" firings where one got punted to avoid an entire shift getting fucked.

Edit: found another relevant section (if this was UK of course).

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In my most recent use of force training Chauvin/Floyd was briefly discussed and it always comes down to: reasonable use of force is equal to the amount of force the opponent INTENDS to use on you (as far as you can determine in the moment). Most people actually thought that this was a case of excessive use of force, but it wasn't meant to be lethal and was ultimately a training failure.

 

[theshitposter]

Where was George Floyds mask at the time of the murder? Why wasnt he social distancing? If he had covid why did he not stay home to help #Flattenthecurve?

don't forget driving under the influence. the national treasure officer chauvin saved some kid crossing the street

 

[Dona Morte]

I was looking for Black attitudes towards Asians and found this great little website.

6 Things Black People Need to Stop Saying to White People in 2018​

https://archive.ph/A8cMw

They have one about policing but I can't be bothered to find it again as that site is pure cancer.

 

[NyQuilninja]

I was looking for Black attitudes towards Asians and found this great little website.

6 Things Black People Need to Stop Saying to White People in 2018​

https://archive.ph/A8cMw

They have one about policing but I can't be bothered to find it again as that site is pure cancer.

Niggers be salty
In other news water is wet

 

[usernames can change now!]

I'm with you on this one. I really feel if this didn't happen BLM wouldn't have exploded like it did. Thanks to Chauvin it is now a legitimate political force. His actions have already had lasting consequences that we all suffer. I hope he suffers too.

They would have just latched on to some other black guy killed by cops. There's no shortage of them, because there's no shortage of black guys getting into violent confrontations with the police.

 

[dinnuffindu]

Outrage! Horror! Forced to watch St. George's murder! Laws yes, frens, the proper position for children is head in the sand, arse in the air, to receive the proper indoctrination.

https://archive.ph/CyxI0

"Yet, you left students to handle their own emotions and mental health as they left your class, without proper professional support," according to the letter obtained by the station.

Just imagine if one of them realized who 'momma' (obligatorily referenced in article) really was?

 

[Gehenna]

They would have just latched on to some other black guy killed by cops. There's no shortage of them, because there's no shortage of black guys getting into violent confrontations with the police.

The difference though is that this one was somewhat unique. You had clear video from multiple sources showing something stark and ugly. You had a crowd around them going against it, heavily implying something was clearly wrong here. And the man himself begging for his 'mama'. Multiple elements combining to make it more than just "Yet another black man" shot, and instead turning into something very easy to get behind.