Game of Thrones Thread

NOBODY wants more of this except to redo seasons 5-8 and unless you are announcing something like that, nobody will give a fuck. Even if you do announce it I find it hard for people to actually muster up a care in the fucking world. Sean Bean got fucking lucky in the end, getting killed off when the series was good instead of when it became fucking dogshit. Jon Snurrh, Bran and all the other cast are just fucking mockeries now for how stupid they are.
I don't even care about the books at this point.

I consume my books through Audiobook, and I listen to things I have listened too as I go to sleep. You know just back round noise as I nod off, and I just sort of rotate through all my series I own and about a month ago I hit A song of Fire and Ice and started A Game of Thrones, I didn't even get to Eddard's death before saying "Fuck this I don't care" and putting on something else.
 
I don't even care about the books at this point.

I consume my books through Audiobook, and I listen to things I have listened too as I go to sleep. You know just back round noise as I nod off, and I just sort of rotate through all my series I own and about a month ago I hit A song of Fire and Ice and started A Game of Thrones, I didn't even get to Eddard's death before saying "Fuck this I don't care" and putting on something else.
Andy Serkis recently recorded the entirety of The Hobbit. It's a masterpiece. If you haven't got it yet, I highly recommend this version.
 
Andy Serkis recently recorded the entirety of The Hobbit. It's a masterpiece. If you haven't got it yet, I highly recommend this version.
I am not..huge into LOTR, I borrowed the Trilogy from a Library as a kid but I never cared enough to invest in the Audio versions once I got real income.
 
LOL Are they seriously fucking deluded to do a 10 year anniversary to this absolute abortion of a show? Seasons 7 and 8 made going back to watch the rest of the series pointless. I've never seen an ending that was so universally panned that critics and audience actually fucking agreed on something. HBO, this series is fucking dead and buried. Martin himself can't even be bothered to try and finish this. What the fuck are you retards thinking.

NOBODY wants more of this except to redo seasons 5-8 and unless you are announcing something like that, nobody will give a fuck. Even if you do announce it I find it hard for people to actually muster up a care in the fucking world. Sean Bean got fucking lucky in the end, getting killed off when the series was good instead of when it became fucking dogshit. Jon Snurrh, Bran and all the other cast are just fucking mockeries now for how stupid they are.

Fat fuck Martin can't be bothered to finish his work and ridicules anyone who pesters him about it. Fuck Game of Thrones. This shit is deader than Mass Effect 3 and will go down as one of the worst endings in any media because it utterly annihilates everything that came before it.

I mean, your king is king because he can tell fucking stories. Seriously HBO, eat shit. Not even the most soy filled manchild is going to buy any of this trash. Everyone has moved on trying to forget what cinematic abortion your two retards foisted on televsion.

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And I don't care what people say, low magic setting with medieval politics are boring as dogshit. If I want to read low magic politics, I'll read real history. I don't need some fat fuck's excuses while he says his shit is low magic and has shape changing assassins and undead ice liches and time travel. God, Martin is such a fucking hack and a hypocrite.

Fat fuck voice: "I durn like magic because its deus ex machina:"

*proceeds to use magic because he wrote his stupid ass into a corner*
One thing I vehemently disagree with in your speech - the setting is not low fantasy. Maybe at the beginning it tried to pretend to be one, but at this point it's completely suffused with occultism, prophecy, supernatural creatures, dragons aplenty, illusions, mind control, and so on.
 
One thing I vehemently disagree with in your speech - the setting is not low fantasy. Maybe at the beginning it tried to pretend to be one, but at this point it's completely suffused with occultism, prophecy, supernatural creatures, dragons aplenty, illusions, mind control, and so on.
I would say it is a "Low Fantasy" setting in the process of "Magic Coming back" which is something the show completely forgot at some point.
 
I would say it is a "Low Fantasy" setting in the process of "Magic Coming back" which is something the show completely forgot at some point.
The more you go into the books, the more it becomes obvious that either Mr. Martin also forgot that, or he decided to drop this particular plot point. For God's sake, one of Ned's closest friend is some sort of sorcerer who lives in a moving castle.
 
https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/
George's new blogpost where he laments the recent deaths of his friends and editor, feels exhausted by the amount of work he's put on his plate, makes no mention of the book series.
Way back when on LiveJournal, when I started this column or journal or whatever it is, I called it my “Not A Blog,” because I could see that regular blogging was a lot of work, and I didn’t think I had the time to devote to it. I was late on a book even then, though I do not recall which one. I figured I would just make posts from time to time, when I had an important announcement, when the mood struck me, whatever.

Somehow, though, over the decades, the Not A Blog became a blog, and what I had intended as a occasional pleasure and a way to stay in touch with my readers has become a Blog (ironically, at the same time as everyone else was abandoning their blogs for Facebook and Twitter), complete with a sense of obligation. And when a lot of stuff happens very fast, I fall further and further behind.

I am hugely behind right now, and the prospect of trying to catch up is feeling increasingly oppressive.

My life has become one of extremes these past few months. Some days I do not know whether to laugh or cry, to shoot off fireworks and dance in the streets or crawl back into bed and pull the covers over my head. The good stuff that has been happening to me has been very very very good, the kind of thing that will make a year, or a career. But the bad stuff that is happening has been very very very bad, and it is hard to cherish the good and feel the joy when the shadows are all around.

If any of you read the stories about me on the internet, you will know my good news. I have a new five-year deal with HBO, to create new GOT successor shows (and some non-related series, like ROADMARKS) for both HBO and HBO Max. It’s an incredible deal, an amazing deal, very exciting, and I want to tell you all about it… although it seems the press has already done it. There are stories in all the trades. You can read about it there. (These days I almost never get to break any news about myself, the Hollywood press is always ahead of me. Some of their stories are even accurate). I will blog about it, I expect, but not today.

On the other side of the coin… well, I am now fully vaccinated, hurrah hurray, that’s good. However, I have now lost six friends since November. (Only a couple to Covid. Alas, I am old, and so are many of my friends. Valar morghulis, I guess). And a seventh friend, a very old and dear friend who has been a huge part of my life for a long time, is in the hospital, very sick, recovering from surgery… at least we hope he is recovering.

Honestly, it is hard to dance in the streets even for the deal of a lifetime when another loved one dies every two/ three weeks, and that has been going on for me since November, when my longtime editor Kay McCauley passed away.

There’s lots more going on as well. Meow Wolf stuff. Railroad stuff. Beastly Books has reopened, but the JCC is still shuttered. The Jets traded Sam Darnold away. I am going to be leaving my cabin in a couple of months. I am close to delivering PAIRING UP, a brand new Wild Cards book.

I will tell you about some of this, I guess. But not today.
 
The more you go into the books, the more it becomes obvious that either Mr. Martin also forgot that, or he decided to drop this particular plot point. For God's sake, one of Ned's closest friend is some sort of sorcerer who lives in a moving castle.
iirc, the books are very ambiguous about the nature of magic in Westeros. A lot of the things that the show very non-chalantly depicts as magic seems a lot more up for debate in the books and could be merely some sort of parlor trick. Arya turning blind, for instance, was the effect of some sort of potion that she drank, not that weird "eyes get cloudy from a curse" shtick from the show. Melissandre comes to mind as well. The books have her do things and describe them in a manner that make both mundane and magical explanations reasonable.
A lot of stuff is implied or never really described either. For all we know, Greywater Watch could just be a big fucking tent that the crannogmen pull down and relocate every now and then, or it's a bunch of boats tied together that move around in the swamps. It's not said to be Howl's Moving Castle, that stomps around on giant legs, that's for sure.

I think Martin was deliberately obtuse with a lot of things, like with prophecies that are never spelled out to be taken this way or that way, it's always a bunch of characters interpreting them however way they like and every single interpretation is just as valid as the others. Dumb and Dumber don't understand that concept, you can almost hear how they go "This even is to be taken this exact way, it's magic... this old fool of a bookworm Martin, he really dropped the ball by not making it more clear! Thankfully he's got us to fix that issue!"

Of course, birthing assassin-shadows, bringing people back to life and so on, that's undeniably supernatural and the creation of wildfire seems to rely on some sort of spell, too. An alchemist remarks that they have a much easier time creating wildfire and it's as if the magic in Westeros grew stronger, so there is some undeniable magic going on, but it's just a fraction of what the show just goes "lol magic, I ain't gotta explain shit" on.
 
A lot of stuff is implied or never really described either. For all we know, Greywater Watch could just be a big fucking tent that the crannogmen pull down and relocate every now and then, or it's a bunch of boats tied together that move around in the swamps. It's not said to be Howl's Moving Castle, that stomps around on giant legs, that's for sure.
I always figured it was one of those floating swamp castles like the ancient Celts used to build, just a bit more fantasy in scope. It might not even move, it's just that the Neck is such a confusing morass of a swamp that no one can remember the exact location except the Crannogmen.
 
Has there ever been a case of an IP getting to the tippy top of fame and then fall into near obscurity in such a short span of time?

Its pretty remarkable as normally a fad or IP will fade gradually over time after its hit its peak. But that last season did so much damage that its like GoT has already become forgotten.

Its so funny to me that I had friends literally saying to me that "GoT is the greatest show of all time" and now, nobody wants to talk about it.
 
Has there ever been a case of an IP getting to the tippy top of fame and then fall into near obscurity in such a short span of time?

Its pretty remarkable as normally a fad or IP will fade gradually over time after its hit its peak. But that last season did so much damage that its like GoT has already become forgotten.

Its so funny to me that I had friends literally saying to me that "GoT is the greatest show of all time" and now, nobody wants to talk about it.
I am pretty sure that in 10 to 20 years from now, people will talk about GoT S8 and the SW sequels as the definitve examples of things breaking a franchise's neck and it will be compared to Highlander 2. The more time passes, the more apparent it will become that Dumb and Dumber/Ruin Johnson managed to behead the goose that lays golden eggs.

But even Highlander 2 didn't completely end the Highlander IP, it still spawned a shitload of awkward sequels and shows for decades despite being complete trash.
GoT on the other hand just vanished and it's surreal. Breaking Bad ended 8 years ago and it is still being heralded as one of the best shows ever made (justifiably so). 10 years in the future, GoT will be a show that people will have a reaction more akin to "Oh right... that show existed. I totally forgot about it."
 
I am pretty sure that in 10 to 20 years from now, people will talk about GoT S8 and the SW sequels as the definitve examples of things breaking a franchise's neck and it will be compared to Highlander 2. The more time passes, the more apparent it will become that Dumb and Dumber/Ruin Johnson managed to behead the goose that lays golden eggs.

But even Highlander 2 didn't completely end the Highlander IP, it still spawned a shitload of awkward sequels and shows for decades despite being complete trash.
GoT on the other hand just vanished and it's surreal. Breaking Bad ended 8 years ago and it is still being heralded as one of the best shows ever made (justifiably so). 10 years in the future, GoT will be a show that people will have a reaction more akin to "Oh right... that show existed. I totally forgot about it."
There’s one factor that makes GOT even worse: it’s an adaptation whose source material will almost certainly never get finished.

Normally, with shitty adaptations you can at least go back to enjoy the source material, but in this case the TV show finale completely tanked interest IN THE FRANCHISE AS A WHOLE.

At least with Star Wars, the Disney trilogy existing doesn’t ruin the original movies for the people who liked them, because the original movies already tell their own complete story, and you can simply ignore the existence of the Disney trilogy without affecting the integrity of the rest of the franchise.
 
There’s one factor that makes GOT even worse: it’s an adaptation whose source material will almost certainly never get finished.

Normally, with shitty adaptations you can at least go back to enjoy the source material, but in this case the TV show finale completely tanked interest IN THE FRANCHISE AS A WHOLE.

At least with Star Wars, the Disney trilogy existing doesn’t ruin the original movies for the people who liked them, because the original movies already tell their own complete story, and you can simply ignore the existence of the Disney trilogy without affecting the integrity of the rest of the franchise.
The thing we need to know is "how close were D&D to implementing George's version of events"? I know they knew how he intended to finish in case something happened to him. The question is, did they seriously fuck with it or did they get the broad strokes right?

If they more or less followed his vision (Dany turning nutso, Bran on the throne) then I can understand why he's dreading finishing his books. He already knows how people feel about it. If he changes things radically because of that knowledge we may hear from D&D, saying that they were only following his finale and that they were thrown under the bus.

As much as I'd like to feel sorry for Old Fatso, he's the one that entered into the arrangement with HBO. He could've had a bigger say in things. He had the clout. But he was content to cash those checks and watch, and now he has to face the repurcussions of the catastrophe that befell his seminal work. And if he felt he was done wrong it'd be pretty odd, seeing as he just signed that new agreement.

This new series will be a disaster I think. The world is much different. "Fucking in fantasyland" isn't necessarily going to bring in the normies anymore. And given his and HBO's political leanings, they're just dumb enough to ruin it completely with woke bullshit that will push away people in droves.
 
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The thing we need to know is "how close were D&D to implementing George's version of events"? I know they knew how he intended to finish in case something happened to him. The question is, did they seriously fuck with it or did they get the broad strokes right?

If they more or less followed his vision (Dany turning nutso, Bran on the throne) then I can understand why he's dreading finishing his books. He already knows how people feel about it. If he changes things radically because of that knowledge we may hear from D&D, saying that they were only following his finale and that they were thrown under the bus.

As much as I'd like to feel sorry for Old Fatso, he's the one that entered the arrangement with HBO. He could've had a bigger say in things. He had the clout. But he was content to cash those checks and now has to face the repurcussions of the disaster that happened. And if he felt he was done wrong it'd be pretty odd, seeing as he just signed that new agreement.
I think they followed his vision, just in terms of outcome, not in terms of the actual journey. Dany snapping at the end was a semi-popular fan theory after ADWD came out, though people supposed it'd be related to the Dance of the Dragons between her and the (fake) Aegon, not some contrived bullshit about bells triggering her PTSD or whatnot. She uses violence (by herself or by proxy) to accomplish pretty much every victory she had in Slaver's Bay, to the point that even her courtiers were worried it was becoming a habit, and she'll probably viewed a lot more like an invading foreigner than Aegon and the Golden Company are, if he beats her to King's Landing.
The show cut out so much of Bran's story, and GRRM's version is weird af as it is, that I have no idea if Bran becoming king was part of his end game. If we ever do get an ending from fatso, I'm pretty sure it'd be completely different from the lazy "makes a good story" bullshit D&D delivered to us.
 
I am pretty sure that in 10 to 20 years from now, people will talk about GoT S8 and the SW sequels as the definitve examples of things breaking a franchise's neck and it will be compared to Highlander 2. The more time passes, the more apparent it will become that Dumb and Dumber/Ruin Johnson managed to behead the goose that lays golden eggs.

But even Highlander 2 didn't completely end the Highlander IP, it still spawned a shitload of awkward sequels and shows for decades despite being complete trash.
GoT on the other hand just vanished and it's surreal. Breaking Bad ended 8 years ago and it is still being heralded as one of the best shows ever made (justifiably so). 10 years in the future, GoT will be a show that people will have a reaction more akin to "Oh right... that show existed. I totally forgot about it."

The thing with Highlander is that it was never more than a cult movie. You could bomb out with a sequel and as long as the next one was low budget (and boy was it), no one is really going to care one way or the other. Game of Thrones was an absolute juggernaut, and its fall was faster and more complete than anything I can remember. Off the top of my head, the only thing that really comes close is the disaster film genre, which was huge throughout the 1970s but was instantly rendered obsolete by the release of Airplane!, which made the whole thing impossible to take seriously. They'd make a comeback, but it took years.
 
The thing with Highlander is that it was never more than a cult movie. You could bomb out with a sequel and as long as the next one was low budget (and boy was it), no one is really going to care one way or the other. Game of Thrones was an absolute juggernaut, and its fall was faster and more complete than anything I can remember. Off the top of my head, the only thing that really comes close is the disaster film genre, which was huge throughout the 1970s but was instantly rendered obsolete by the release of Airplane!, which made the whole thing impossible to take seriously. They'd make a comeback, but it took years.
Highlander was not as big as GoT and thus the fall wasn't as deep and there was still a chance to course correct, yeah. I can see that. GoT doesn't have anything to fall back on. We will never know, but I bet it also killed *a lot* of enthusiasm for the book, I doubt many people want to have to do anything with ASOIAF or GoT. This 10 year anniversary would be interesting to keep an eye on, but I doubt we will ever see how big the resonance to it truly was. HBO would claim it was a roaring success, even if just one guy tweeted "lol faggots" at them.
 
Highlander was not as big as GoT and thus the fall wasn't as deep and there was still a chance to course correct, yeah. I can see that. GoT doesn't have anything to fall back on. We will never know, but I bet it also killed *a lot* of enthusiasm for the book, I doubt many people want to have to do anything with ASOIAF or GoT. This 10 year anniversary would be interesting to keep an eye on, but I doubt we will ever see how big the resonance to it truly was. HBO would claim it was a roaring success, even if just one guy tweeted "lol faggots" at them.
Bryan Cogman already had a minor Twitter meltdown over the constant shitting on Dumb & Dumber. I'm looking forward to more.
 
Bryan Cogman already had a minor Twitter meltdown over the constant shitting on Dumb & Dumber. I'm looking forward to more.
This inspired me to attempt to look up said meltdown and I have to say I am profoundly bothered by this man including multiple S7 episodes and THE LONG NIGHT in his top 20 episodes list:
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And here I thought he was one of the best writers on that show....
 
This inspired me to attempt to look up said meltdown and I have to say I am profoundly bothered by this man including multiple S7 episodes and THE LONG NIGHT in his top 20 episodes list:

And here I thought he was one of the best writers on that show....
He's very clearly under some obligation to keep shilling for the show.
 
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