Argue with vatniks over trains

[St.Davis]

This is so tiresome.
Somebody sell me on why military invasion of yurop would even be worthwhile.

You'd be able to get Coca-Cola again.

 

[Betonhaus]

Not once in the past five pages has ANYONE provided a clear and logical benefit to Putin doing this thread derailing train plan. Not even a moment discussing what the long term benefits are, because there aren't any. This would be a strategy that Ukraine would do to make some sort of superficial "win" that solely serves to kill soldiers, not a strategy that Russia would do for the long-term benefits of its people.

While there has been a lot of discussion how they could, there's not a lot of discussion why. Russia could maybe give their soldiers uniforms in bright yellow colors and smuggle them across the border in clown cars, but there is not a single logical benefit to doing do and an extremely high chance of failure and death of the soldiers.

 

[Bloodthirsty Nosenigger]

What? What opposing forces are these, exactly? The police?

You just keep spouting the same dumb takes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO#Military_personnel

Going by the numbers, none of the nations above could be occupied by a mere token force.
Except Iceland, perhaps, but I feel like the few hundred guys on trains may find it difficult to get to Iceland...

 

[Spunt]

The whole "Russians just invading anyway" - the idea that the UK government would, after spending my entire life trying to dilute my voting power and a year-on-year decrease in my quality of life - expect me to defend Rishi Sunak from being killed by Russians.

In the 1940s we had ... firm ideas ... on what to do with people who collaborated with invaders. Just because I don't like what our government has done with the country doesn't mean I would live under a military occupation by a foreign power, and as a fellow Bong I would have no compunctions about giving you the full Mussolini treatment myself. Death to traitors.

A dozen guys could easily enough move around with fake passports or just sneaking in with the migrant hordes. Same for the CIA sending people into Russia to bomb random cars and generally annoy/frighten the population. Once again, D.C. was shut down for weeks by two guys with a shitty car and single rifle. A few teams of trained soldiers should be able to do better than that in major cities all over Europe, you'd think.

The FSB has been merrily murdering, and attempting to murder, both Russian dissidents and innocent passers-by on our own streets for decades.

 

[kuuu]

You'd be able to get Coca-Cola again.

Parallel import.
We get it from Kazakhstan. Tastes diluted.

 

[Doctor Love]

Not once in the past five pages has ANYONE provided a clear and logical benefit to Putin doing this thread derailing train plan. Not even a moment discussing what the long term benefits are, because there aren't any. This would be a strategy that Ukraine would do to make some sort of superficial "win" that solely serves to kill soldiers, not a strategy that Russia would do for the long-term benefits of its people.

While there has been a lot of discussion how they could, there's not a lot of discussion why. Russia could maybe give their soldiers uniforms in bright yellow colors and smuggle them across the border in clown cars, but there is not a single logical benefit to doing do and an extremely high chance of failure and death of the soldiers.

Oh, the goal was to reduce the "time to attack" to zero, so that America would not be able to launch a counterattack. Force a surrender by, essentially, forcing the local governments to denounce the American forces entry. Prevent Americans from landing in Europe and simply force them to leave, like they had to leave Kabul.

It would remove America as a continental threat to them, but not necessarily require a conflict - it's aimed to "persuade" the local government to reject America. Similar to Kabul, actually - where the Taliban just walked in, and the local Afghans stepped aside and just... let them, because they were too high and were absolutely not going to gun down fellow Afghans on behalf of Americans who abandoned them.

America has already abandoned Afghanistan, and is in the process of abandoning Israel - Israel is now getting flak for "being too harsh" from Biden.

Russia would simply need to get real close and ask, gently, "Are you sure they'll come to help you?" and the European states, who depend entirely on American relief, will confess "...no, I am not"

You just keep spouting the same dumb takes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO#Military_personnel

Going by the numbers, none of the nations above could be occupied by a mere token force.
Except Iceland, perhaps, but I feel like the few hundred guys on trains may find it difficult to get to Iceland...

Again, could they be scrambled or would the state simply say "You know what, I will die and thousands of our soldiers will die. Let's look at Russia's demands, first" - and given that those demands could actually be kinda reasonable, then it becomes negotiation.

Death to traitors.

I agree, but I mean, the Prime Minister is literally a random Indian bloke and you've not given anyone the Mussolini treatment yet.

Our state is currently occupied by Quislings, who have betrayed us time and time again for the slightest monetary gain. I have no loyalty to the state, because the state has been importing millions of random third worlders for decades and imprisoning anyone who complains. In what world am I the traitor? Because I won't stand shoulder to shoulder with fucking ISIS to fight against other white Europeans?

This would be the same country that, in recent memory, was gunning down dissidents in the Netherlands and Spain, right?

 

[Bloodthirsty Nosenigger]

Again, could they be scrambled or would the state simply say "You know what, I will die and thousands of our soldiers will die. Let's look at Russia's demands, first" - and given that those demands could actually be kinda reasonable, then it becomes negotiation.

If your brilliant master plan hinges on the enemies being complete pushovers, why bother sending troops in the first place?
Taking your "logic" to its conclusion, why not send one guy with a Makarov pistol and a strongly worded letter?

 

[Doctor Love]

If your brilliant master plan hinges on the enemies being complete pushovers, why bother sending troops in the first place?
Taking your "logic" to its conclusion, why not send one guy with a Makarov pistol and a strongly worded letter?

Nah, too small - local police would be able to stop it.

More than a busload, but smaller than a trainload.

 

[Betonhaus]

Oh, the goal was to reduce the "time to attack" to zero, so that America would not be able to launch a counterattack. Force a surrender by, essentially, forcing the local governments to denounce the American forces entry. Prevent Americans from landing in Europe and simply force them to leave, like they had to leave Kabul.

It would remove America as a continental threat to them, but not necessarily require a conflict - it's aimed to "persuade" the local government to reject America. Similar to Kabul, actually - where the Taliban just walked in, and the local Afghans stepped aside and just... let them, because they were too high and were absolutely not going to gun down fellow Afghans on behalf of Americans who abandoned them

Again, why? Europe is not Afghanistan or Kabul. America would simply send in it's army anyways because Russia's forces are spread too thinly and being rapidly picked off by the locals. And even if America didn't send it's army, Russia is physically incapable of holding those capitals for longer then maybe a free weeks, leading to retaliation a that last for decades.

Your lines of thinking are more appropriate on the Ukraine thread. Maybe the Containment thread.

 

[Doctor Love]

Again, why? Europe is not Afghanistan or Kabul. America would simply send in it's army anyways because Russia's forces are spread too thinly and being rapidly picked off by the locals. And even if America didn't send it's army, Russia is physically incapable of holding those capitals for longer then maybe a free weeks, leading to retaliation a that last for decades.

Your lines of thinking are more appropriate on the Ukraine thread. Maybe the Containment thread.

Rapidly picked off? By which locals? If the Russians are heavily armed, and if there is the threat of reinforcements coming - who in God's name is going to open fire on them?

Out of the entire bunch, the only one which is going to care and be able to fight is Poland.

Hungary might even say "You know what, pass through, we don't give a fuck"

The entire role of Europe in this war is "Just dig your grave and lie in it. We'll get there when we get there, okay?" - and when that is put to the test, do you see the Europeans accepting that role?

"Well, men, your job now is to charge the enemy - even though they have half a million soldiers next door, this is your fight. You need to clog their tracks with your bodies. Go and get your kids and impale them onto the enemies bayonets - the added weight will slow them down before they reach those precious American bases"

If Russia stated outright to the citizens and to the government, "We are here to stop the Americans from invading Europe. This is a preemptive strike against those bases" - I can see the Europeans as saying "Ah, go on then."

The choo choo train plan could easily be the opening volley of a wider attack - there to help grease the wheels and make sure that the local Europeans don't cause too much of a fuss. Maybe even acquire help - at gunpoint, get this, the local Europeans might even help convince the Americans to leave peacefully.

When the reality of what war means hits the Europeans - and the reality that Uncle Sam isn't going to come and save them.

That's when their nature comes out - they are submissive and breedable, as nations, and when thrown into a war they will freeze.

 

[The Foxtrot]

Jannies, clean this thread up and remove @Doctor Love and his bullshit sperging about magical Russian train invasions.

 

[Bloodthirsty Nosenigger]

I agree, but I mean, the Prime Minister is literally a random Indian bloke and you've not given anyone the Mussolini treatment yet.
Our state is currently occupied by Quislings, who have betrayed us time and time again for the slightest monetary gain

While I appreciate your contempt for your government, it clearly clouds your judgment if you think the autism-train plan would work.

That's when their nature comes out - they are submissive and breedable,

Using incel-lingo when discussing geopolitics also doesn't bode well...

If Russia stated outright to the citizens and to the government, "We are here to stop the Americans from invading Europe. This is a preemptive strike against those bases" - I can see the Europeans as saying "Ah, go on then."

Europe's politicians may be whores, but they're atlanticist whores.
And the peasants are still far too comfy to risk rocking the boat.

 

[Doctor Love]

Using incel-lingo when discussing geopolitics also doesn't bode well...

Referring to European countries as submissive and breedable is a perfectly rational thing to do, given their policies.

Europe's politicians may be whores, but they're atlanticist whores.
And the peasants are still far too comfy to risk rocking the boat.

Rocking the boat, in this case, would be resisting.

That's the entire point I've been getting at. Russia is the one currently at war - for them, very little would change. But as long as America is still a military presence in Western Europe, they risk attacks from the West.

They could try to pressure the governments, but that might lead to them increasing their presence. The Russians are not going to just accept that thousands of Russians have been killed by American weapons, right on their border. When Ukraine falls, they will push to remove American weapons from the entirety of Europe.

And that might mean actively invading European countries - they could just hop on some trains, and move without being molested through Slovakia and Czechia, then within 48 hours they are bringing trainloads of tanks into Germany.

What's Biden gonna do? He didn't do shit with Afghanistan, or with Israel and Iran.

I just straight up don't think that if Russia loaded up trains full of soldiers and made the move to European cities, there would be anybody willing to actually fight them. Even Poland would recognise "We would sacrifice everything, for nothing."

 

[Yak-130 Mitten]

@Useful_Mistake please for the love of god get this autistic train discussion from this thread, it has nothing to do with war

To anyone else - you are trying to argue with someone who doesnt understand a concept of either of those

 

[Fapcop]

Again, why? Europe is not Afghanistan or Kabul. America would simply send in its army anyways because Russia's forces are spread too thinly and being rapidly picked off by the locals.

LOLOLOL!!

Dude STAHP! It’s not Red Dawn or some dumb burger action movie.

Picked off BY WHOM?! Lmao! With WHAT?! Airsoft guns?!

It’s Europe my guy. I assure you that 95% of the population have never used a gun in most places. And the same percentage don’t have access to one.

Jesus Christ man, are you just shitposting or what?! You seriously think Europeans would rise in the streets resisting the Russian Army with their angry fists loool

 

[Doctor Love]

@Useful_Mistake please for the love of god get this autistic train discussion from this thread, it has nothing to do with war

To anyone else - you are trying to argue with someone who doesnt understand a concept of either of those

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Great, where are they, exactly, and who would be doing that?
Is there a pan-European train police or something? What's the plan? Is it Biden's job? Does this fall to the Germans?

Is it the train authority, the police, the military... who actually has these, and who can operate them?

 

[Useful_Mistake]

That's a lot of train discussion. @AgendaPoster do you like trains?

 

[AgendaPoster]

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That's a lot of train discussion. @AgendaPoster do you like trains?

Not particularly
Why did you unlock the thread

 

[Doctor Love]

I want to know why this suggestion, specifically, seems to rustle so many people so thoroughly.

 

[Yak-130 Mitten]

You are just retarded nigger is all.