#Calexit - Whiny liberals who want to secede because Trump won

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Well if California becomes it's own country, it will be overtaken by drug cartels and everyone will die of either dehydration or being shot up as they beg Daddy Trump to let them over the Great Wall of California.
 
I say let them try seceding. It's cute. Like a child play-pretending to work, just like daddy!

I would give them a month, tops, before they come crawling back (unless of course they were so stubborn they literally let their "country" go to ruin and all die out. Which in that case, hey, free new real estate for us!)

Because these Calexit people don't think. They are thinking they can continue to live the same as they always did, but not have to be subject to President Trump.

but you DON'T get to be like that.

1. Consider what we're going to charge you for import charges. And you are going to need it. California barely produces anything. Certainly not enough to sustain itself independently.

2. How about defense from other enemy countries? You're going to have no military presence at all. The stuff that you currently have? Yeah, that's OURS. You don't get to keep it, if you secede. And if some other country decides "Wow, that new country California is weak as shit! let's take it over", guess who you're going to have to beg to come in and save your dumb asses? That's right. The Donald


I mean honestly, haven't you fuckers seen "Escape from L.A"? Because that's what you'll end up with
 
Now let's imagine for a minute how well California would fare in a wartime situation. We've got a bunch of techie nerds in Silicon Valley, a bunch of pussy liberal SJWs, and a bunch of waiters and waitresses who will definitely be actors one day.

And speaking of actors, all of them would probably move out or hole themselves in their gated community strongholds.

...yeah, I think California could totally win a war.
 
Everyone remember when london wanted to be its own country, everyone called them autistic and they shut up, all within 2 days?

Sounds like California's plagiarizing.
 
Texas v White settled this long ago. Secession is illegal, and Cali doesn't have the munitions to disregard that.

You know how realistically, no gang of rednecks will overcome the US Military with their man-portable firearms? The only people in California with weapons are not at all interested in this (criminals) or would clamor for the chance to aid the professionals for a chance to kill some libtards.
 
Their argument about food doesn't make sense. Okay for anything fruit-related, but isn't the rest of the US way ahead of them when it comes to veggies, grains and meat ?
 
Dr. Tremolo said:
Hmm, I wonder how many of the very same people shamed those who voted for Brexit, screaming racist and other -ist epithets.
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Why's that? Did Britain ask for people to replicate Hadrian's Wall all over the country too?
 
I get that this is a /pol/ masterminded-thing, but what's really sad is that some people genuinely believe it should happen and are buying into it. But as far as I'm concerned, California can take a hike. Texas, too, since it keeps threatening to secede every time a Democrat president is elected (and depending on how Trump fares over the next 4 years, we may or may not be hearing Texas' empty threats again) and it should either shit or get off the pot.
 
It's really fun when liberals become ardent supporters of private property rights out of convenience, it's always temporary because they've open the floor to dialogue that makes them uncomfortable. If it's OK for reddit and twitter to engage in rampant censorship because they're privately owned, do you then also believe a bakery or pizzeria is right to not cater to certain clients? If CA has the right to secede, did the south?

It's fun because I'll get to have the discussion for the economic reasons the south left instead of the moralistic ones later ascribed to it, as well as some fun facts like certain areas of the north (NYC) wanting to secede and join the confederacy, or that every state at one time or another (NH being one of the first) has made very real threats to leave over taxation since the constitution's ratification. Which can then be stretched in further discussion about early American history.

This is a honeypot for my favorite type of autism so here's to hoping it lasts more than three days.
 
Has nobody told them they used to make fun of Texas for threatening to secede all the time? I mean I grew up in Texas and in our own history class, you read the textbooks and it talks about how strong and tough Texas was for seceding, but there's this undercurrent of "Actually it really sucked and we're kinda glad to be back". Also they're talking about how "they" produce food, except all the farmers tend to be republicans and likely voted Trump so....

But overall, I'm just bitter because I think #Texit would be better. Next time Texas threatens to secede, that should be the slogan.
 
Cali only has one major bargaining chip to play with, and that's it's international shipping ports. Almost everything shipped overseas to and from China goes through Cali ports. Sure, Seattle has a couple, but it's infrastructure there cannot handle more than it already processes.

If they put massive trade tariffs on everything that came through the shipping lanes in that state, that would be about their only leverage they'd have.

The can keep their whiny college kids, Tranny communites, smug actors and failing music industry.
 
Closet Sorcerer said:
Their argument about food doesn't make sense. Okay for anything fruit-related, but isn't the rest of the US way ahead of them when it comes to veggies, grains and meat ?
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Eh, its a complicated situation. Basically because of extremely lucrative subsidies into soy, corn, and wheat it pushed fruits, vegetables, flowers, wine and nuts into places like Texas and California where the farmers tend to be more affluent than the rest of the country and therefore in a better position to grow things that aren't beef or grain.

However California's advantage is that they have the longest growing season and the most fertile soil in the United States. No other state, or even a combination of states, can match California’s output per acre. The main limiting factor is water availability, which is provided by a combination of the Sierra Nevada snowmelt, groundwater from the San Joaquin Valley and the Colorado River.

California currently produces the majority (75% or more) of the following in the United States, bold means that California produces >99% of that agricultural product:

  • Almonds
  • Escarole/Endive
  • Limes
  • Plums
  • Apricots
  • Figs
  • Melons
  • Cantaloupe
  • Plums, Dried
  • Artichokes
  • Flowers, Bulbs
  • Melons, Honeydew
  • Pluots
  • Asparagus
  • Flowers, Cut
  • Milk
  • Pomegranates
  • Avocados
  • Flowers, Potted Plants
  • Milk, Goat
  • Raspberries
  • Beans, Dry Lima
  • Garlic
  • Nectarines
  • Rice, Sweet
  • Bedding/Garden Plants
  • Grapes, Raisins
  • Nursery, Bedding Plants
  • Safflower
  • Broccoli
  • Grapes, Table
  • Nursery Crops
  • Seed, Alfalfa
  • Brussels Sprouts
  • Grapes, Wine
  • Olives
  • Seed, Bermuda Grass
  • Cabbage, Chinese
  • Greens, Mustard
  • Onions, Dry
  • Seed, Ladino Clover
  • Cabbage, F.M.
  • Hay, Alfalfa
  • Onions, Green
  • Seed, Vegetable and Flower
  • Carrots
  • Herbs
  • Parsley
  • Spinach
  • Cauliflower
  • Kale
  • Peaches, Clingstone
  • Strawberries
  • Celery
  • Kiwifruit
  • Peaches, Freestone
  • Tangelos
  • Chicory
  • Kumquats
  • Pears, Bartlett
  • Tangerines
  • Cotton, American Pima
  • Lemons
  • Peppers, Bell
  • Tomatoes, Processing
  • Daikon
  • Lettuce, Head
  • Persimmons
  • Vegetables, Greenhouse
  • Dates
  • Lettuce, Leaf
  • Pigeons and Squabs
  • Vegetables, Oriental
  • Eggplant
  • Lettuce, Romaine
  • Pistachios
  • Walnuts
  • Wild Rice

Source: http://www.motherjones.com/files/2agovstat10_web-1.pdf


Without California, supply of all these products in the United States and abroad would dip, and in the first few years, a few might be nearly impossible to find.

Price surges would eventually become the larger issue. Rising prices would force Americans to consume more grains, which are locked in a complicated price-dependent relationship with fresh fruits, vegetables, and meats. When the price of produce increases, people eat more grain. When the price of grain drops, people eat more fruits and vegetables. (In fact, in some parts of the world, wheat and rice are the only proven “Giffen goods”—a product in which decreasing prices lead to decreasing demand.) Young people and the poor in America, more than others, eat less fresh food when prices rise.

The loss of California’s output would create a dire situation for at least a few decades. History suggests, however, that we’d eventually find a way to cope. A state’s agricultural makeup can evolve surprisingly quickly—California’s certainly did. In the 1860s, the state’s leading crops were wheat and corn. Beginning in the 1880s, however, the state ceased to be the nation’s breadbasket and became its fruit and vegetable basket. Rail-links made transcontinental food shipments possible. Cities on the Eastern seaboard offered staggeringly high prices for produce. Interest rates dropped from 100 percent during the Gold Rush that began in 1849 to 30 percent in 1860 to 10 percent in the 1890s. This decline afforded California farmers the time to change over to slow-developing crops such as nuts and tree fruits. The land under irrigation grew four-fold from 1889 to 1914. Manufacturers of farm equipment relocated to California and designed equipment specifically for the state’s farming conditions, the same way automobile parts suppliers flooded Detroit in the early 20th century and computer engineers moved to Silicon Valley in the 1990s.
 
Graffiti canvas said:
Cali only has one major bargaining chip to play with, and that's it's international shipping ports. Almost everything shipped overseas to and from China goes through Cali ports. Sure, Seattle has a couple, but it's infrastructure there cannot handle more than it already processes.

If they put massive trade tariffs on everything that came through the shipping lanes in that state, that would be about their only leverage they'd have.

The can keep their whiny college kids, Tranny communites, smug actors and failing music industry.
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If they weren't totalitarian at their core CA would have an excellent opportunity to become competitive in the shipping industry, which has been hobbled by the Jones Act. I have a funny feeling merchant marine unions would be funding legal efforts to keep them in for that reason, as well as keeping California Maritime certified for US flag.

The military bases in socal mean they'll never be allowed to leave but it would be interesting if the southern half of the state split from the northern half, or more fantastical yet if it divided into six states: Jefferson, nocal, central cal, west cal, socal, and silicon valley.
 
Lurker said:
Now let's imagine for a minute how well California would fare in a wartime situation. We've got a bunch of techie nerds in Silicon Valley, a bunch of pussy liberal SJWs, and a bunch of waiters and waitresses who will definitely be actors one day.

And speaking of actors, all of them would probably move out or hole themselves in their gated community strongholds.

...yeah, I think California could totally win a war.
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Hell, imagine for a second that California left the US without fighting somehow.

They'd have no foreign trade because no one would want to trade with America's disowned tard baby.

No allies for the same reason.

Have to start an army from the ground up.

Might get attacked by some other country immediately for the above reasons.

Yeah, California will be fiiiiiiiinnnnnnne.
 
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