Can't find a fucking job

[cybertoaster]

what kinda car gets across the country in 14 hours?

Cross-country means any really long trip, I don't have to drive from LA to NYC for it to be cross-country. Point is I drove 14 hours straight only stopping for fuel, and I done it several times.

 

[Bagronkleton]

In OP's situation, I'd hop on what we called bog-scrubbing duty. Janitor work, but avoid corpo buildings if you can, it's too much vacuuming for my taste.

To tack onto this: prime opportunity to get boiler license  and training on the cheap and easy, doubly so if working for a school district or something and if going for an interview just drop "boiler license interest" in some form, sit back, and watch the greasy wheels turn immediately. More importantly: Boiler operators are a dying and retiring breed. Tons of opportunity right there. It isn't easy, but nothing worth it is.

Plus, if you like trains it's a way to dovetail into that industry, since a non-electric train at the end of the day is, essentially, a boiler on rails.

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

Cross-country means any really long trip, I don't have to drive from LA to NYC for it to be cross-country. Point is I drove 14 hours straight only stopping for fuel, and I done it several times.

Admit it, you did the cannonball run.


According to my logs, I've driven 9.5 hours so far today.

 

[vanta pilled]

I have a ckose family member who works for a university. I was complaining about my "insulting" 3% raise this year (a.k.a. a pay cut) and she got all sniffy about "I'm always grateful for any raise."

I always thought it would be the opposite considering how overly bloated university admin costs are.

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

I always thought it would be the opposite considering how overly bloated university admin costs are.

She's faculty, not one of the blessed "regents."

Funny, it used to be a college with a board of directors. Now it's a university with a board of regents. In 20 years it will be a temple with a council of gods.

 

[vanta pilled]

She's faculty, not one of the blessed "regents."

Funny, it used to be a college with a board of directors. Now it's a university with a board of regents. In 20 years it will be a temple with a council of gods.

Ah that makes sense. In the university I'm at, the faculty always had a harder time getting raises than the admin. It always felt strange to me since it's the education (and by extension, the faculty) that drives people to enroll in the university, not the admin. Even with the enormous admin budget, I've never heard a student in any North American university describe admin as anything but "slow and unhelpful."

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

Ah that makes sense. In the university I'm at, the faculty always had a harder time getting raises than the admin. It always felt strange to me since it's the education (and by extension, the faculty) that drives people to enroll in the university, not the admin. Even with the enormous admin budget, I've never heard a student in any North American university describe admin as anything but "slow and unhelpful."

Whaaaaat you think teaching and working with students matters more than sitting in a lavish office and occassionally sending out a memo reminding the peons to teach and work with students?


Note also that the higher paid the professor, the fewer classes they teach.

 

[Manimal House]

Someone said that the trades was the male version of becoming a stripper, You make a fuckload of money when you're young, but your body and soul are crushed by the time you're in your 30s.

Yeah, well that's the reason the pay is higher. Dangerous jobs pay well. High risk = high reward.

Truck drivers are paid handsomely because they have to be on the road all the time making deliveries, and depending on the highway and conditions, it's arguably one of the most dangerous environments if you're at the wrong place at the wrong time. If those jobs didn't give a decent paycheck, no one would do them.

Cities currently in shithole status don't seem to understand this. I just saw a job posting from a city cleanup crew to remove human waste and trash from homeless camps. Yearly salary for that = 42K. In an area where a 1 bedroom apartment's rent costs 2 thousand a month. No wonder they can't fill that position.

Yeah, those schools are pretty much worthless. I know it's usually seen as shit advice, but you really should consider the prestige of your university/program before signing up even if the quality of education seems adequate.

A good way to tell if a school is even worth going to is to cruise around and see who's attending. Spending an afternoon checking out the library and courtyard and seeing if the students look like they're taking things seriously can tell you a lot. Even if the education only gets you so far, the connections you can make with the alumni can make up for it. It's obvious when a school is full of idiots that got suckered into going there.

I have a ckose family member who works for a university. I was complaining about my "insulting" 3% raise this year (a.k.a. a pay cut) and she got all sniffy about "I'm always grateful for any raise."

I remember Andrew Yang went on a lot of tangents about how American Universities are so expensive despite the quality of education going down the shitter. According to him, it's all because the people getting paid the most are the administrative departments who have the job of getting students in the college. Everyone else is replacable. A lot of colleges will just straight up hire students to do all the gruntwork to help pay their tuition, which would be fine if it's in the realm of what they're studying but it's for just about everything that doesn't require a degree.

 

[ChefBourgeoisie]

I always thought it would be the opposite considering how overly bloated university admin costs are.

They are incredibly bloated, of course, but not because some Analyst III position is raking in the cash. And if the role is student facing, they've got it even worse... they pay them like Starbucks baristas and not professional. At my not-so-large university, staff was somewhere north of 5000, and math alone dictates that you can't pay each of them like rockstars. All state employees, and state government isn't known for largess with their rank and file. Where does the money go? Mostly into new and prettier buildings, gardens, and grounds. Fancy dorm rooms and entertainment venues. The things that attract prospective students to enroll. Decent salaries don't even come into play until senior/upper management, and it's all office politics 20 years before anyone even gets a stab at those positions. Even so, the pay still looks paltry compared to anything private sector.

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

Truck drivers are paid handsomely because they have to be on the road all the time making deliveries, and depending on the highway and conditions, it's arguably one of the most dangerous environments if you're at the wrong place at the wrong time. If those jobs didn't give a decent paycheck, no one would do them.

This is a good point. Trucking being a job almost nobody* would do for fun or prestige is a big part of why it pays well compared to difficulty or barriers to entry. They can't make it glamorous or admired, and you do not want it to be exciting, so all they can offer is more money. And what are they gonna do, NOT ship their goods?

That's a general consideration for anyone looking for a career. Think of it like the armor triangle-- protection, mobility, firepower. But with careers it's profitability, ease of entry, and prestige / satisfaction.

Trucking would be medium, medium, low. McDonalds is low, very high, low. Brain surgery is high, very low, high.

I hope that makes sense, because I think that's actually a useful way to look at it. It's way easier to get a burger flipping job than a CDL, and they're equally mundane and uninteresting, so the trucker makes more. Brain surgeons do cool shit that people really value, but it's insanely hard to become one, so they make very good money.

If you want to make good money, you can either work a job that' really hard to get into, or you can work a job nobody cares about or respects but takes at least a little effort.

*they do exist. Not fucking me.

 

[Thel]

Trades are known for paying well, but some of them don't. Don't go into the automotive industry. It pays shit. If you're looking for a cozy job, go for warehouse work. If you're looking for a cozy well paying job, go into warehouse maintenance, or skilled union work. If you want big money and don't care if the job is cozy, go into HVAC or welding.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

Saw a leddit post about a guy talking to a recruiter who said "If you don't have a fulltime job now, you're unlikely to ever get a sustainable full-time gig", and all the comments were like "NAWW HE GASLIGHTING YOU, SENSE OF URGENCY" etc, but I'm honestly inclined to assume as such. The -default- is having worked since 18. The next step up is -any- university degree. What then puts you apart is actually having hands-on experience with whatever you're applying for; or having worked a similar job for fucking 10-12 years. Doesn't matter if you're shit and lost the drive a decade ago; they'll sooner hire you than some zoomer who's ready to stay 3 years more than the others cause of paying back on the opportunity etc.

I'm borderline bipolar on this shit. I currently do service, albeit in a mental institution, with lots of nice colleagues. Time to fuck around and relax, never two days the same etc, generally a gig people would kill for, but the idea of never getting away is just gnawing at my head. I've been here less than 2 years, more holes in my resume than the underage girl my "finally got a foot in- wups fired" pedo-rapist-murderer boss maimed. I'll be working another 3-4 decades, what's two fucking years?

EIther I chillax, keep applying, eventually get out; or have to actually stop working and do qualification. I saw a guy write "you can't just expect an application to suddenly work out", but why should adding a little line that says "certified dicksucker"? And even then, this new industry might as well be on the way out too. My entire country just called close on pig butchering. We do not have any industrial butcheries not winding down, period. Just, "a raw hands-on failproof job", gone.

What do you want to know? The learning material is freely available online. Look for remote boomer type jobs like in banking, insurance, etc

>Get replaced with pajeet
Never fun to see people lose jobs but after the "LMAO JUST LEARN2CODE BRAH" bubble, thank fuck.

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

My entire country just called close on pig butchering. We do not have any industrial butcheries not winding down

What kind of shithole country doesn't have bacon? How many lunatics did you let escape, and why are they running the whole country?

 

[TETRABAX]

>Get replaced with pajeet
Never fun to see people lose jobs but after the "LMAO JUST LEARN2CODE BRAH" bubble, thank fuck.

Well there is always something to be said about being a better value proposition than the pajeet but coding is just another trade in 2024. There are other trades that will make you a good sustainable living even if it isn't your dream job. Nobody is going to pay for your dream if it doesn't provide real tangible improvements to their life so sometimes you have to suck it up and do the job nobody wants to do to make the money to do what you want. If i lost my job, I've saved up enough cash to live for a year with no income and maybe i could make a basic living after 6 months doing what would make me the most happy, but if not i would take whatever work i could to not be broke

 

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

The ones I seen don't do remote, banking for example there was a lot of hype lately around they paying big for COBOL devs, enough to get me to drop my skepticism of adverticles and actually look it up only to see that it was just bait as usual: the jobs were all soulless corporate, boring-ass offices, "remote? what's remote? we need you to come here every day"-kind but with a pay around $60k tops and you were a contractor meaning they would drop you at any time. This despite the entire financial, insurance and other such industries relying almost completely on COBOL, a language that hardly gets any new devs now and the majority are retired or straight up dead.

same here. when i heard about how much COBOL devs can make and how in demand they are i started to look into those jobs. i very quickly was disappointed to find they dont make any more than some entry level java job.

Most of the value in a cobol dev these days is not to maintain the mainframes, but to figure out what they are doing (old cobol code is usually pretty hacky to reduce memory/database usage which would have been a limited resource in that era) so that it can be recreated in a more modern language/arch.

this is exactly what the company i work for is doing. im not part of those teams, but we do have a quite a number of old cobol apps that they are slowly switching over to more modern tech stacks.

 

[cybertoaster]

Had a friend of a friend when I was a HS senior who wanted to be a trucker. He really liked to drive so thought it would be a good job, plus also fell for the big bucks meme. I mention this because I just stumbled on that friend and he told me the guy pretty much dropped it before his mid 20s. Driving a truck is not like driving a car, its not fun, its not easy, its slow and its very stressing. Truck stops are no man's land, he saw many truckers get shivved in a fight, in a robbery or by lot lizards. You have to carry a gun because hijackers are still a thing specially on the open road but also in cities, and most depots are in the worst part of town, so good luck not getting killed for your semi full of funkos because that peashooter wont do much against 5 diverse gentlemen with hipoints. Also most truckers are busted, even by their 30s they are fucked up from sitting down practically all day, eating shitty food, bad sleep, substance abuse to stay awake and lousy hygiene.

i very quickly was disappointed to find they dont make any more than some entry level java job.

See what I mean? and again I don't get it, I know ZERO devs who know COBOL and yet everything uses it and the pay is still shit.

 

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

See what I mean? and again I don't get it, I know ZERO devs who know COBOL and yet everything uses it and the pay is still shit.

same. i am baffled by it. all these companies say they are desperate for devs and that nobody knows cobol anymore, yet the pay is the same for a language which literally everyone knows. it is why i never bothered to learn it. if the pay was 100K or more, then id do it, but for 60K? nah.

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

Had a friend of a friend when I was a HS senior who wanted to be a trucker. He really liked to drive so thought it would be a good job, plus also fell for the big bucks meme. I mention this because I just stumbled on that friend and he told me the guy pretty much dropped it before his mid 20s. Driving a truck is not like driving a car, its not fun, its not easy, its slow and its very stressing. Truck stops are no man's land, he saw many truckers get shivved in a fight, in a robbery or by lot lizards. You have to carry a gun because hijackers are still a thing specially on the open road but also in cities, and most depots are in the worst part of town, so good luck not getting killed for your semi full of funkos because that peashooter wont do much against 5 diverse gentlemen with hipoints. Also most truckers are busted, even by their 30s they are fucked up from sitting down practically all day, eating shitty food, bad sleep, substance abuse to stay awake and lousy hygiene.

See what I mean? and again I don't get it, I know ZERO devs who know COBOL and yet everything uses it and the pay is still shit.

Bruh are you still mansplaining truck driving? Driving a truck is easy as shit. Eating shitty food is your own damn fault. Not getting exercise is your own damn fault. Taking drugs to stay awake? Are you fucking pants on head retarded? This isn't 1987. Everyone who crosses state lines has ELD, meaning you really can't get away with violating HOS, so you're telling me you have to smoke meth to stay awake for, at most, 14 hours on duty, 11 hours driving? You can't take a shower and get sleep in a standard 10 hour break?

But hey, you're right about a few things. Most company trucks these days won't go over 65 or 70 miles per hour. If that's somehow a problem, idk why. And there's definitely some shithole truck stops. Your buddy would have mentioned that you can, you know, NOT go to crime infested shithole truck stops, but where was he going to get his hookers and coke? Lmao.

 

[TheNoseKnows]

Truck drivers tend to be on the lower end of the IQ spectrum. So all the self destructive behaviors stem from that. That and its a shit job that wrecks your body. I have a friend of a friend who started trucking and within 2 years he was obese and walked with a limp. He was a doctor in anther country before that.

I also worked as a barback in college. Quit shortly after. The same problems were present...substance abuse, drugs to stay awake, sex with the bargirls (sluts).

Know bit about retail in the fireworks industry, same story. Most of the employees had records, girls were from the trailer park, drugs, etc

Worked McDonalds...same shit.

Low IQ jobs have low IQ people and the behaviors to go with it. Truck driving is a little more of a mixed bag but it definitely leans more into that low IQ sector.


Thread Tax: I feel your pain OP. Jobs are few and far between, if you come from a privileged family or community, you get connections or money to get training/schooling and you took advantage of it, youre golden. If you're a male and you didnt...tough luck. Time to fight for israel.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

If you're having a hard time getting calls back for a job, most likely your attitude and interview skills need fixed.