DC American Airlines crash

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Spaced Outside Cargo said:
ATC worker revealed to be Donald Margolis, found to have died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound in his home afterwards.
It is believed that he accidentally gave the wrong instructions to the aircraft as he recently took out PTO due to the death of his daughter.
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Q just keeps fucking with humanity.
 
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Squishie PP said:
The registered owner of the plane is "UMB BANK NA TRUSTEE": https://archive.is/jtA17
If you look through all the other registered planes of this make and model, American Airlines owns a ton of them: https://registry.faa.gov/AircraftInquiry/Search/MMSResult?Statetxt=UT&Mmstxt=1390015&Countrytxt=US

So if this was indeed an American Airlines/ flight like all the reports say, then why is neither their name nor the name of their subsidiary listed as the registered owner? Kinda sus if you ask me!
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That bank offers commercial loans. Maybe they have a lien on the plane.
 
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Squishie PP said:
The registered owner of the plane is "UMB BANK NA TRUSTEE": https://archive.is/jtA17
If you look through all the other registered planes of this make and model, American Airlines owns a ton of them: https://registry.faa.gov/AircraftInquiry/Search/MMSResult?Statetxt=UT&Mmstxt=1390015&Countrytxt=US

So if this was indeed an American Airlines/ flight like all the reports say, then why is neither their name nor the name of their subsidiary listed as the registered owner? Kinda sus if you ask me!
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You have to think of it in terms of a house mortgage. You, the borrower, borrow money to buy a house from DoucheBank. DoucheBank lends you the money, as long as they are put as first lien holder on the paperwork. DoucheBank can also use this same practice on high dollar items, such as aircraft. This is standard practice in the industry, nothing really suspicious.

There are certain places in airline parts warehouses where the shelves will say 'ALL ITEMS CONTAINED HEREIN PROPERTY OF DOUCHEBANK' . These are typically engine parts, as it is a regular practice to rent them to airlines.
 
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WilliamDeLaPole said:
Blackhawk confirmed visual multiple times but still crashed.
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Would it be correct to say that it's the helicopter's fault? From what I've seen the air traffic controller was doing what they did normally (although given the number of close calls their procedures or whatever may have been flawed in the first place-that isn't the fault of the individual giving out the directions at the time though). I wish we could get more info about how ATC staffing was "not normal" (not my words, that's exactly what the article says) or into who was on that blackhawk beside being told "the crew was fairly experienced". Of note is how the people in the helicopter were probably wearing night vision goggles, which I'm not familiar with but the claims of that ruining your field of view and making it hard to see in well lit areas (the city) at night seem to be truthful. If I'm wrong, please correct me because I know I am not knowledgeable in this sphere.
This is absolutely terrible, all these people dead all due to human error. Whoever caused this needs to be held responsible and punished accordingly if they're still alive. Knowing the media, the crash will get memoryholed which is absolutely reprehensible. I hope the NTSB or whoever gets their report out quickly, and the families of those who died don't need to wait to find out what happened to their relatives.
 
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A now deleted tweet claimed the Helicopter pilot was a "woman." Was it a disgruntled troon?
 

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Complete Reprobate said:
You have to think of it in terms of a house mortgage. You, the borrower, borrow money to buy a house from DoucheBank. DoucheBank lends you the money, as long as they are put as first lien holder on the paperwork. DoucheBank can also use this same practice on high dollar items, such as aircraft. This is standard practice in the industry, nothing really suspicious.

There are certain places in airline parts warehouses where the shelves will say 'ALL ITEMS CONTAINED HEREIN PROPERTY OF DOUCHEBANK' . These are typically engine parts, as it is a regular practice to rent them to airlines.
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Gotta have plausible deniability I guess.
 
This guy is a former pilot and knows his shit. He explains all the flight paths etc.

TLDW Bullet points:
  • Plane likely didn’t see the helicopter until too late because they were making a turn. It is also a black heli on a black river surrounded by city lights, and the warning system for this stuff (TCAS) deactivates at 1000ft to prevent false warnings.
  • Helicopter was doing a training flight. ATC told them the plane was close and they confirmed they could see it, also taking responsibility to visually keep a distance. However, with the lights from the city interfering and considering the plane made a turn, they easily could’ve lost the visual.
  • ATC did nothing actually wrong, despite people on both sides blaming them for political reasons. Warned the helicopter again, even after they accepted responsibility, and tried to confirm that they 100% saw the plane because they were still approaching it. As aforementioned, the helicopter pilots accepted responsibility to maintain a visual separation, so if they lose sight they need to immediately alert ATC, which didn’t happen.
More info could come out though.
 
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keke said:
This guy is a former pilot and knows his shit. He explains all the flight paths etc.

TLDW Bullet points:
  • Plane likely didn’t see the helicopter until too late because they were making a turn. It is also a black heli on a black river surrounded by city lights, and the warning system for this stuff (TCAS) deactivates at 1000ft to prevent false warnings.
  • Helicopter was doing a training flight. ATC told them the plane was close and they confirmed they could see it, also taking responsibility to visually keep a distance. However, with the lights from the city interfering and considering the plane made a turn, they easily could’ve lost the visual.
  • ATC did nothing actually wrong, despite people on both sides blaming them for political reasons. Warned the helicopter again, even after they accepted responsibility, and tried to confirm that they 100% saw the plane because they were still approaching it. As aforementioned, the helicopter pilots accepted responsibility to maintain a visual separation, so if they lose sight they need to immediately alert ATC, which didn’t happen.
More info could come out though.
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It's disgusting that both sides are making this political.

You want a real crazy conspiracy theory - it was a legitimate freak accident.

I know, crazy.
 
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Official helicopter flight corridor for transiting Reagan Class Bravo airspace

Two videos from excellent sources, both current commercial pilots and former military pilots that have aircraft accident investigation channels.

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Bullet points:
  • Summary (opinion): Black Hawk helicopter PAT25 primarily at fault for the accident, with secondary contributing factor coming from air traffic control.
  • Black Hawk helicopter PAT25 was supposed to maintain 200 feet AGL or below at all times to stay below airport traffic. They did not do so and were clocked multiple times flying at 300 feet or higher. This is a huge deal.
  • Black Hawk helicopter PAT25 was supposed to stay in the helicopter Route 1 flight corridor then transition to the Route 4 flight corridor, both on the east bank of the Potomac river. They did not do so and strayed outside the designated flight corridor multiple times. This is also a huge deal.
  • In response to an ATC query regarding whether they could see AA flight 5342, Black Hawk Helicopter PAT25 requested "visual separation" which was immediately approved by ATC. This officially transfered responsibility from ATC to the helicopter PAT25 for maintaining traffic separation from American Airlines Flight 5342. The helicopter pilots obviously did not do this.
  • After approving the visual separation request from Black Hawk helicopter PAT25, ATC transferred transfered responsibility to the helicopter for avoiding the AA flight 5342 and likely terminated active separation services.
  • TCAS (traffic collision avoidance system) aural warnings would not have activated for the AA 5342 CRJ aircraft because TCAS does not give traffic deconfliction warnings below 1000 feet AGL.
  • ATC received an automated collision alert warning seconds before the crash and tried to radio the Black Hawk PAT25 helicopter but it was too late as the helicopter had flown above its assigned limit (200 feet ) and had strayed out of its assigned flight corridor.
  • Literally the night before the fatal accident, at the same airport (Reagan) a different commercial airliner had to execute an emergency go-around due to almost colliding with another Black Hawk helicopter on "an annual proficiency flight"
  • Black Hawk PAT25 likely had both pilots on white phosphor night vision goggles.
  • Opinion: These military helicopters are a menace and don't follow the rules. ATC may be a contributing factor.
 
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trash cat said:
Literally the night before the fatal accident, at the same airport (Reagan) a different commercial airliner had to execute an emergency go-around due to almost colliding with another Black Hawk helicopter on "an annual proficiency flight"
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The U.S. military should permanently cease training missions near commercial airliners. Now.
 
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trash cat said:
Opinion: These military helicopters are a menace and don't follow the rules. ATC may be a contributing factor.
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I lived near a National Guard base and the dipshit pilots would fly those things low over busy roads. There was never any incidents when I was there but I was just waiting for one of those drop outs to crash into something. Looks like it finally happened. I don't mean to demean anyone but every person I've ever met who was in the Guard was probably only about two IQ points above retarded.
 
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Old English Roast Beef said:
Fun fact: in ye olde days, Air Force planes collided with civilian planes many times because military and civilian air traffic controllers were entirely separate and did not talk to each other.
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In this case the helicopter was obviously ignoring civilian ATC
 
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