Dwarf Fortress - Despite the multiple let's sperg threads, we never had a general

[Involuntary Celebrity]

I'm too tired of the clownpocalypse to enjoy complaining about it but man kitfox adding chirpy superfluous faggot addendums to Tarn's update messages really rubs me the wrong way. It's like smearing your shit on an artwork so you can claim you contributed.

It's more so that the things that are missing should be really, really obvious and it doesn't appear stuff has been playtested along with legitimate concerns about how the money is going to change the developers. (Anyone that says money won't change them is a liar, it is just how things are)

-Being unable to make upward staircases that aren't set into the wall when the above area isn't dug out yet.
-Lots of graphical issues at 2k resolution, and very bad graphical frames leaving the game difficult to play as it misses your inputs over and over.
-Sprites are filtered strangely instead of nearest-neighbor like every other pixel game in existence.
-Missing civilian alerts?
-Unable to mass-select materials like in classic, instead having to click hundreds of times.

The majority of these things would be caught if anyone just opened the game and tried to play for an hour or so.

Or y'know they were just deprioritised for the first release which is a standard practice for 90% of projects. I'm sure someone opened the game and played it at some point during development.
I have a super long list of improvements it needs too (batch construction material selection, mass burrow assignment, notification configuration/backlog browsing, search/sort/summaries on appointment/interrogation/petition screens, creature/object name hyperlinking, fucking bedroom blueprints) but if you want Dwarf Fortress to be held back until it's "finished" for the next release I hope you have a good plan to get your frozen brain offworld before the sun swallows the earth.

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Anyway I dunno if you guys wanna actually talk about the fucking game, but for my trade entrance I currently have a long retractable bridge over an indoors magma moat. This can be enclosed so that I can also block it while flooding the surface of the bridge with magma just for fun. This all drains into an external lava moat outside the volcano which surrounds a covered gatehouse overhanging the moat with an outermost drawbridge over it, to which I'm now adding fortifications so we can shoot out over that drawbridge too.
What I'm currently wondering is if it would be overkill to let the guys in the gatehouse also shower lava from above onto the drawbridge... it's right there after all. I'm not sure how magma mist works though, do I have to worry about it billowing up and through the fortification windows or something?

 

[Runch]

How much you wanna bet that after they neuter goblins being evil, they make it a rule that you can't hate on elves because of "muh racism"?

Literally happening as you speak. (aromaticThornbranch is Rose/Jon Illo)

 

[Book Thief]

Literally happening as you speak. (aromaticThornbranch is Rose/Jon Illo)

What is it with troons and hating their audience?

My guess is an inability to separate reality from fiction. For one, this explains their entire existence, since their entire "reality" is fantasy. Second, it explains the constant "All games are political" nonsense they keep pushing to mark games as "alt-right coded" or whatever, as if playing a game where you're a cop will somehow cause police brutality in the real world. So obviously the guy screaming about how he wants to murder the elves is ackshually an alt-right Nazi troll Kiwi Farmer white supremacist who wants to genocide trannies by misgendering them!

 

[BlackDragoons]

Literally happening as you speak. (aromaticThornbranch is Rose/Jon Illo)

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Fostering the community by having it turn on themselves.

Yay Kitfox you dumb motherfuckers.

 

[Peasant]

I hope you fellas are archiving older versions of the game, you know, in case something unfortunate happens. Some actors may not like the fact that there's a free and more feature complete version of a paid game that isn't content policed.

 

[BlackDragoons]

Screw this. Gonna go play some RimWorld and commit some war crimes.

 

[Tsoliassssssssssssss]

Does anyone still play those early builds from the late 2000s? Sounds like a fun game!

there are people still playing some of the older major versions for a few good reasons.
one of them is that the game is more challenging, you get more attackers and the AI doesn't give up when you overwhelm it after a few attacks.

Literally happening as you speak. (aromaticThornbranch is Rose/Jon Illo)

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for anyone wondering what's the sudden fuss around elves

 

[The Lawgiver]

it's been fucking YEARS since I hears about this fucking game and I still have yet togetting around to trying it out jesus fuck though this recent shit I've been hearing has been going down according to people I know that play the thing killing my motivation to try.

Literally happening as you speak. (aromaticThornbranch is Rose/Jon Illo)

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The irony of a fucking Janny using a Troll as an avatar getting smug-angry about people going "fuck elves lmao" .
Why the fuck do the most anti-fun motherfuckers latch onto one of the funniest racist grey aliens? Seriously there is an entire running joke in that fucking comic abut how the aliens have an incredibly racist ass societal caste system and each tiers got it's own derogatory term.
The only reason I still have a fucking Homestuck character shitpost avatar from last year aside from Laziness to make a new one is partly to cosmically spite these kinds of people. I also noticed a lot of jannies like this are named or have the avatar of the Homestuck character "rose" on one or more of their internet accounts which has ultimately tainted that funny character more than any shitty unfinished sequel to a comic could.

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Jesus fuck that's horrible. As if Dwarves already had enough reason to hate fucking elves for being smug pointy eared bastards, they're now vegan twitter users self inserts you aren't allowed to make fun of? Fucking hell! I'M SORRY MY COMPUTER'S BUG CORPSES AND THE BLOOD OF SAID INNOCENT BUGS! SORRY MY LOINS ARE MADE FROM CARCASSES OF CAVE BEASTS! SORRY I CAN'T BE SOME POINTY EARED WOODLAND BASTARD NUDIST!!

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That's a Lizard person, not a Goblin.
THIS is a goblin. Goblins are cool and funny. (Until you get near them then you gotta watch out cause they're evil little bastards)

 

[Book Thief]

for anyone wondering what's the sudden fuss around elves
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Wow, so they actually made the elves even more hateable? Yet, they will ban you if you say you hate elves? These publishers have made themselves even more detestable than those knife-eared fucks.

Let me guess: they also removed their cannibalism as well?

 

[White_N]

Stranger elf danger!

there are people still playing some of the older major versions for a few good reasons.
one of them is that the game is more challenging, you get more attackers and the AI doesn't give up when you overwhelm it after a few attacks.


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[Mr.Miyagi]

I still have yet togetting around to trying it out jesus fuck though this recent shit I've been hearing has been going down according to people I know that play the thing killing my motivation to try.

Regardless of the issues with the Steam version or Kitfox being a blight, I think it's still worth going to Bay12 and downloading the game if you want to give it a shot sometime. It's still a good game, after all, though it can be challenging to get into.

 

[Involuntary Celebrity]

I ended up deciding that a better idea than a lava shower in front of the drawbridge would be to put a giant obsidian plaza there, the whole surface of which when you pull a lever turns into a multi-floor drop into a pit lined with 2500 menacing iron spikes. The magma pipe that was gonna be for the drawbridge now supplies a new smaller lava moat surrounding that, which feeds into a series of lava showers to hose down the pit when you pull a second lever, just in case.

This took all fucking day but watching the goblins I was keeping down there panic when I tested the plumbing made it all worth it. I like this graphical update

 

[Coelacanth]

Regardless of the issues with the Steam version or Kitfox being a blight, I think it's still worth going to Bay12 and downloading the game if you want to give it a shot sometime. It's still a good game, after all, though it can be challenging to get into.

Download a texture pack for it and you've literally got the Steam release with more content for free! Give it a try! Your dwarves will die horribly the first few times but it'll be worth it!

I had an interesting thing pop up recently. A few necromancers have joined my latest fort and I discovered one of them was literally the first of her kind. It was really interesting going through her history because it meant I got a glimpse into how the world was when you first create it. This is why I like this game - there's always something new I've yet to discover.

 

[Pat Fried Rice]

Download a texture pack for it and you've literally got the Steam release with more content for free! Give it a try! Your dwarves will die horribly the first few times but it'll be worth it!

I had an interesting thing pop up recently. A few necromancers have joined my latest fort and I discovered one of them was literally the first of her kind. It was really interesting going through her history because it meant I got a glimpse into how the world was when you first create it. This is why I like this game - there's always something new I've yet to discover.

I’d give Steam edition about 2-3 months, let the devs finish polishing, and give the modders a good chance to get some of the tools imported over (coughDwarfTherapistcough), and it’ll probably be a lot closer to what we were expecting it to be. I do enjoy the new tile set and music.

Regardless of the issues with the Steam version or Kitfox being a blight, I think it's still worth going to Bay12 and downloading the game if you want to give it a shot sometime. It's still a good game, after all, though it can be challenging to get into.

Very true. Best advice I was given: Keep the wiki open, and learn which ore provides what.

 

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I ended up deciding that a better idea than a lava shower in front of the drawbridge would be to put a giant obsidian plaza there, the whole surface of which when you pull a lever turns into a multi-floor drop into a pit lined with 2500 menacing iron spikes. The magma pipe that was gonna be for the drawbridge now supplies a new smaller lava moat surrounding that, which feeds into a series of lava showers to hose down the pit when you pull a second lever, just in case.

I had the really bright idea once to make my fort entrance a winding spiral staircase that opened up into the cavern below. Turns out that just murders everyone, invaders and dwarves included. They just dodge off the stairs and fall like 15 z-levels. Trolls eat anyone who managed to survive the fall.

I still think this is the perfect defense system.

 

[Involuntary Celebrity]

I had the really bright idea once to make my fort entrance a winding spiral staircase that opened up into the cavern below. Turns out that just murders everyone, invaders and dwarves included. They just dodge off the stairs and fall like 15 z-levels. Trolls eat anyone who managed to survive the fall.

I still think this is the perfect defense system.

I just finished making my cavern exit defence point that works on a similar principle (plus lava). The idea is to replace the kamikaze dwarf component with a bunch of deliberately shitty traps so hopefully they'll yeet themselves without help, but I haven't tested it yet.

I say "just finished" but between then and now I've been wasting hours trying to wrangle a dickhead vampire. Turns out they can fly or climb at lightspeed or something so the whole thing was a complete waste of time, since I was only aiming to keep him as a goblin prisoner disposal system for style points rather than simply tossing them in the volcano. Which after a couple of attempts at keeping him crammed in his crypt (which I'd politely decorated with colour-coordinated thematic vampire shit, so escaping was fucking rude) was this motherfucker's fate.

 

[Coolio55]

Oh boy! I can't wait until Shazam Fortress is actually fit for release!
A few months will surely make up for multiple years of farting about!

 

[Moths]

Spoiler: mati at troon infiltration rant

Oh my fucking god can these antifun troon fucks please fuck off. Having an online discussion anywhere anymore is so fucking tiresome "lol pretend racism is racism" "making fun of tragedies is supporting them" "ummm thats problematic don't you think?" These self righteous fucks always burrow into the woodwork then institute rules just to have a "moral" high and ruin community culture. "Uhh elf hate is not allowed" "perpetuating the continuous joke of children being useless is problematic" while gleefully going on about how they made their perfect gay lesbian OC and how they murdered that problematic character in the distance

Its happening to rimworld and its happening here, for fucks sake no doubt they are all gonna be wiki admins soon and ruin the quality of the fucking bible you need to play df

And this ironfisting and gatekeeping of modding is incredibly gay to the nth degree all the modding info locked in some discord? Fucking lunacy someone post that fucking infiltration meme again

Tl:dr its all so tiresome and discord is a mistake and I wish people didn't use it anymore

I ended up deciding that a better idea than a lava shower in front of the drawbridge would be to put a giant obsidian plaza there, the whole surface of which when you pull a lever turns into a multi-floor drop into a pit lined with 2500 menacing iron spikes. The magma pipe that was gonna be for the drawbridge now supplies a new smaller lava moat surrounding that, which feeds into a series of lava showers to hose down the pit when you pull a second lever, just in case.

This took all fucking day but watching the goblins I was keeping down there panic when I tested the plumbing made it all worth it. I like this graphical update

I will give the release one thing the graphics are pretty good better than even using mephs autism tileset they did well I think its a bit of a matter of getting used to the new keybinds so I can just automatically flip through all the menus like before

edit: and I kinda like that starter dwarf skills arent tied to embark points anymore since I usually didnt really bother to skill them in exchange for getting more trash as starters will generally level up in whatever I need them to be skilled in

 

[fenny]

Man. I'm at least going to stick with this version long enough to genocide every elf in my world now.

 

[AnOminous]

I believe it's easier to provoke them into war now so just try the usual tricks, like murdering their diplomat, drowning their caravan and stealing their shit, making a treecutting agreement with them then cutting down every tree on the map, etc.