FB 1/27: Thanks State Farm, Moar Money Plz

[1nomadcowatbk1]

Also - and I know it's Chris we're talking about - are we really giving kudos to a 32 year old man for saying thank you?

32 physically maybe but mentally he's like four.

He has the body of a middle aged bull dyke

I imagine him to be similar to Robin Williams in "Jack", a 40 year old with the mind of a 10 year old

 

[milkshark]

Considering Barb's declining health, I'm not sure that she could keep hoarding even if she wanted to. Based on some known information about Barb, like how she has Chris run all of her errands and the possibility of open sores on her backside, it doesn't seem like she is very mobile these days. Perhaps she still has hoarding tendencies, but lack of funds and an inability to prance around town may keep her from rebuilding her hoardnest. The effects of a hoard free home could improve Christian's spirits, unless he falls into the same trap himself and begins the CWC-hoard.

 

[Silver]

At least they get a nice clean house that doesn't have cat poop and creepy crawlies.

I get how someone would be a packrat and like their worldly possessions.

But how could someone possibly be so immune to bed bugs, animal waste and rotten food, especially if they have known better surroundings?

I bet in 1992 or thereabouts, 14 Branchland Court was fairly clean, pleasant, and cat scat free.... I can't believe anyone wouldn't want to keep their house that way!

Mental issues.
I'd go into detail but it's been discussed like, a grand amount of times.
Long story short, Barb hoards because she feels abandoned.

Again, I get the possesions and treasures she hoarded like Smaug the Dragon. But what about all the gunk and bugs that she lived with? Did they make her feel safe...? (yeesh!!!)

Or maybe she made friends with and talked to the bugs, much like Snow White and the forest animals?

Hoarding is a mental disorder. When are mental disorders ever logical?

 

[Kyoosand]

I'm going to try to make all my replies in this thread (up to seven pages so far to read) into one message if possible.

This is one of the few instances where I can't blame him for this. This is one of the most financially devastating events that can occur to any family, and Chris and Barb were already pretty much living hand to mouth.

Combined with Barb's hoarding and Chris' stupidity, they pretty much brought this upon themselves.

And the insurance company is renting them a house AND furniture? Wait'll the landlords start to notice the increasing levels of insects.

So what happens if the inspection determines that the Chanlders are at fault for the fire? Do they have to pay State Farm back for the rental house, etc.?

SF could sue but if Chris & Barb are on tugboats , they won't be allowed to garnish anything (Social Security is exempt from garnishment unless it's from a Federal thing like a student loan).

At worst is that they can just not cut them a check and tell them to go fix their own dang house on their own.

Fire insurance pays out if your house catches on fire. As long as you didn't set it intentionally, you're covered.

There can be mitigating circumstances like if the house was full of hoard and not kept up very well.

The most interesting part of that is the line "renovation of our original house". I'm really curious what "renovations" are being done.

I wonder if Chris was told by Barb that the new house is just a temporary thing just to keep him from freaking out. 14BLC was in poor shape even before the fire, and it's gonna take more than some lumber from Home Depot to bring it back up to code.

Who wants to start a pool on the time it takes him to dox his new address?

Chris will want more free shit. Of course he'll give out an address.

Credit where credit's due: Chris is asking politely and maturely for donations from those who chose to help him during his time of need. It shows a measure of growth, and I'm proud of him for that.

We should encourage this kind of behavior if we expect to see more of it.

With Chris, there's always an ulterior motive for the niceness. Always. It's like when Chris tried to be humble and ask Snyder to be let back into the Game Place, and later in the note he mentions it's because of some new rare Pokemon cards being released.

Going on to the subject of the "renovation" of 14 Branchland court, I would assume it'll have to be cleared out before anybody will agree to work on it?

The contents of 14BLC are soaked in ice and smoke damage. In a few months it will become Spring and all that ice will melt, leaving piles of soggy mouldering filth. There's no way in Hell that house can be saved without an extreme amount of manpower and money. Far more than what the house is worth.

His house burned down, and he had (1) the common sense to ask for either food or gift cards to department stores where he can buy household items and (2) was thankful for the charity he's received to date. I can give him a pass on this one.

And those who won't pay Chris his demanded tribute will be cursed for being of no heart and no soul.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

Meh, new house or not its still the dynamic duo of Chrissy and Blob thier new place don't change who they are as people.

Others would take advantage of a chance for a fresh start but not these two. Give it a few months and you don't be able to tell the new place from the old.

I have absolutely no faith that Chrissy will or would ever take action to change his life for the better.

 

[Very Honest Content]

Glad to hear the Chandlers are getting back on their feet. Autism levels on this post are trace at best. All in all, this fire might have been a good thing for Chris when everything is said and done since no one was thankfully hurt by it.

I'm going to predict they're back inside the confines of 14BC by summer.

 

[Ruckersvillian]

Credit where credit's due: Chris is asking politely and maturely for donations from those who chose to help him during his time of need. It shows a measure of growth, and I'm proud of him for that.

We should encourage this kind of behavior if we expect to see more of it.

Although I agree with the general sentiment, Chris shouldn't need to be bribed to behave civilly.

He's had his donations from some extremely generous people, and like I said earlier, the insurance is providing accommodation and he still gets the tugboat, so why does he need more?
Remember Chris' idea of being "not financially well off" is fairly questionable. If he's that strapped for cash, he can flog some of the gaming paraphernalia he's salvaged from the house.

Agreed. And as others have pointed out, we have plenty of reason to be cynical about Chris' newfound politeness. I'm just of the opinion that criticizing someone for not doing something, but then attacking them when they do it wrong (or sloppily) is bad psychology. It encourages them to think "I did what they asked, and they still weren't satisfied!"

Don't know if Chris listens to us that much (since our very presence on this board means we're "damn, dirty trolls", but the way you toilet train a child, for instance, is by praising them when the use the toilet - not by yelling at them when they wet during the night.

 

[Greg Sestero]

It's amazing how many people are just accepting that Chris is grateful and taking his words at face-value. They're seriously Naive enough to think that Chris is being True and Honest - and when he does something objectionable, like insult those who saved his life, people act shocked and start backtracking on the praises they heaped on Chris for finally learning how to fake a "thank you". As if they're only just now discovering that, in fact, nastiness has been Chris's default attitude for three decades. It's truly, deeply astounding how much this forum can vacillate while Chris stays exactly, and I mean exactly the same.

The parallels with Chris's willingness to go back to fake gal-pals after they troll him are uncanny.

 

[c-no]

It's amazing how many people are just accepting that Chris is grateful and taking his words at face-value. They're seriously Naive enough to think that Chris is being True and Honest - and when he does something objectionable, like insult those who saved his life, people act shocked and start backtracking on the praises they heaped on Chris for finally learning how to fake a "thank you". As if they're only just now discovering that, in fact, nastiness has been Chris's default attitude for three decades. It's truly, deeply astounding how much this forum can vacillate while Chris stays exactly, and I mean exactly the same.

The parallels with Chris's willingness to go back to fake gal-pals after they troll him are uncanny.

That does deserve mention. Chris could just be saying thanks in hopes of getting something in return. Besides, he might go back being rude once the donations have dried up.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

A lot of people want to give Chris the benefit of the doubt - and I don't blame them for trying to stay positive. It is reasonable to question the "damned if he does, damned if he doesn't" appearance of people's attitudes toward him when they criticize him for being ungrateful, but then call him a liar when he acts nice.

But here's my take on his politeness: I think he's already adapting his mindset to say "I deserve charity because I suffered a hardship"; however, I think he's never going to say he's gotten enough, because since the fire will always have happened, he will always deserve compensation for it. You ever see a spoiled kid that screams his head off when he is denied something, but turns it off like a light switch when you give him the thing? The kid's emotions were barely part of the equation, he just knows to scream til he gets his entitlement. Well, I think Chris considers free shit to be his entitlement, and the novelty of this situation means that - for once - he has received that entitlement from people all around him. He's always felt he deserved to be given shit. Those of you who donated did so because you think that's the right thing to do when a person's house is destroyed. Contrary to what Chris assumes he deserves, none of you are going to keep donating indefinitely.

Chris is the little spoiled kid reaching for shit from the shopping cart, and for just this once the aether put that candy bar in his hands without delay, so he turned off the usual waterworks for a bit. He'll be back to normal as soon as donations stop coming in.

 

[Greg Sestero]

It's amazing how many people are just accepting that Chris is grateful and taking his words at face-value. They're seriously Naive enough to think that Chris is being True and Honest - and when he does something objectionable, like insult those who saved his life, people act shocked and start backtracking on the praises they heaped on Chris for finally learning how to fake a "thank you". As if they're only just now discovering that, in fact, nastiness has been Chris's default attitude for three decades. It's truly, deeply astounding how much this forum can vacillate while Chris stays exactly, and I mean exactly the same.

The parallels with Chris's willingness to go back to fake gal-pals after they troll him are uncanny.

That does deserve mention. Chris could just be saying thanks in hopes of getting something in return. Besides, he might go back being rude once the donations have dried up.

It's not speculation. When someone's complete inability to change has been as well documented as in the case of Chris, seriously entertaining the notion that he's expressing rather than aping gratitude is intellectually dishonest. Suppose that Person A has been shooting heroin everyday for ten years, and Person B knows all about it. If B wakes up one morning and he isn't sure whether A is gonna shoot up that day, then B is a fucking idiot and a prime candidate to become a lolcow or a battered wife.

 

[homerbeoulve]

Can someone tell on how much they should have to pay for a monthly rent in the motel they're staying right now?

 

[4Macie]

Can someone tell on how much they should have to pay for a monthly rent in the motel they're staying right now?

Well, the Chandler's won't pay for squat unless it's food (and even than.. I think they get some food allowances) or other "extra" things. According to Chris, State Farm is renting them the place they're staying.

Until we know WHERE they're staying, it could be anywhere from a $400 a month shitter or a $1000 a month nicer abode. I don't think they're in a motel, I think they are legit in a small boarding house/apartment.

What people seem to not grasp is this: the Chandler's policy is good and valid with State Farm. Having a hoarding house means jack shit because they didn't intentionally start a fire. Their home owner's insurance never stated how much shit they could have in their house, so, having a lot of stuff (even hoarding levels) doesn't revoke their insurance. Had the known about the hoard, I'm sure State Farm would have either changed the insurance, dropped them from insurance, or upped their monthly payment... but they didn't know, so it is what it is. The treatment the Chandler's are getting is pretty standard with a lot of insurance packages... it's likely that they're in a one room (maybe even two, though unlikely) boarding facility that has one bathroom and a kitchenette. Not sure what's being done about a car, but some insurances will also rent a car for you to use (for so many miles of course).

 

[Greg Sestero]

Can someone tell on how much they should have to pay for a monthly rent in the motel they're staying right now?

Well, the Chandler's won't pay for squat unless it's food (and even than.. I think they get some food allowances) or other "extra" things. According to Chris, State Farm is renting them the place they're staying.

Until we know WHERE they're staying, it could be anywhere from a $400 a month shitter or a $1000 a month nicer abode. I don't think they're in a motel, I think they are legit in a small boarding house/apartment.

What people seem to not grasp is this: the Chandler's policy is good and valid with State Farm. Having a hoarding house means jack shit because they didn't intentionally start a fire. Their home owner's insurance never stated how much shit they could have in their house, so, having a lot of stuff (even hoarding levels) doesn't revoke their insurance. Had the known about the Horde, I'm sure State Farm would have either changed the insurance, dropped them from insurance, or upped their monthly payment... but they didn't know, so it is what it is. The treatment the Chandler's are getting is pretty standard with a lot of insurance packages... it's likely that they're in a one room (maybe even two, though unlikely) boarding facility that has one bathroom and a kitchenette. Not sure what's being done about a car, but some insurances will also rent a car for you to use (for so many miles of course).

Do we know what kind of insurance the Chandlers had, exactly? I've been doing some research (albeit by Google, so take it with a heap of salt), and, though it depends on the the insurer and the terms of the contract, there seems to be some indication that damage that should reasonably have been expected as a result of negligent behavior, or which has been directly caused by negligent behavior, isn't covered. There also seems to be some precedent for not paying out if you started hoarding after the contract was signed, caused damage as a result of that hoarding, and the insurer "didn't know".

It's speculation since I'm not privy to the sort of policy the Chandlers held, but insurance companies calculate and prepare for all kinds of contingencies - I would think retarded people intentionally engaging in actions that will ruin their house would be near the top of the list.

 

[PCA]

If State Farm is paying for Chris and Barb's Hotel and now paying for a rented house, as well as most likely their bills in those places...then how does Chris and barb not have enough money to be able to pay for meals? They were doing it fine before the fire...just kind of ticks me off.

How long will it be before the rented house gets cluttered?

 

[Greg Sestero]

If State Farm is paying for Chris and Barb's Hotel and now paying for a rented house, as well as most likely their bills in those places...then how does Chris and barb not have enough money to be able to pay for meals?

They can pay for meals, at least for the time being.

 

[4Macie]

If State Farm is paying for Chris and Barb's Hotel and now paying for a rented house, as well as most likely their bills in those places...then how does Chris and barb not have enough money to be able to pay for meals?

They can pay for meals, at least for the time being.

They can definitely afford to pay for meals, Chris is just hoping that he can pinch every penny of his tugboat and end up buying himself and Barb new items to add to the hoard. I would not be even remotely surprised if when they are allowed to go home (or even before that) Chris says something about buying himself a PS4 as a reward for dealing with all the stress.

 

[Teuderic]

A lot of people want to give Chris the benefit of the doubt - and I don't blame them for trying to stay positive. It is reasonable to question the "damned if he does, damned if he doesn't" appearance of people's attitudes toward him when they criticize him for being ungrateful, but then call him a liar when he acts nice.

But here's my take on his politeness: I think he's already adapting his mindset to say "I deserve charity because I suffered a hardship"; however, I think he's never going to say he's gotten enough, because since the fire will always have happened, he will always deserve compensation for it. You ever see a spoiled kid that screams his head off when he is denied something, but turns it off like a light switch when you give him the thing? The kid's emotions were barely part of the equation, he just knows to scream til he gets his entitlement. Well, I think Chris considers free shit to be his entitlement, and the novelty of this situation means that - for once - he has received that entitlement from people all around him. He's always felt he deserved to be given shit. Those of you who donated did so because you think that's the right thing to do when a person's house is destroyed. Contrary to what Chris assumes he deserves, none of you are going to keep donating indefinitely.

Chris is the little spoiled kid reaching for shit from the shopping cart, and for just this once the aether put that candy bar in his MANOS without delay, so he turned off the usual waterworks for a bit. He'll be back to normal as soon as donations stop coming in.

Indeed. Just look at his post where he tried to shame his galpals and others from MHS into donating by calling them soulless. Once the donations and pity stop he'll be back to calling everyone heartless JERKs who don't care about his suffering.

 

[rocket]

how does Chris and barb not have enough money to be able to pay for meals?

i don't doubt this is spelling some financial hardship for them because c'mon holy shit, their house burned down

the thing is with barb (and to some extent chris, but tbf it's a learned behavior) is that if you give that woman an inch she will take a mile. she experienced a loss? she needs money? well then she needs all the money, forever. she did the same damn thing when bob croaked except she did it through his goddamn obituary

props to chris for at least maintaining the veneer of class with this post and canning the vitriol for five fucking minutes. that's really all i expect from him on a good day

 

[MrTroll]

Nothing objectionable here. It's downright gracious by Chris standards. Even if it's just a ploy to get people to send him more free shit it's still an improvement over his usual demeanor.