Feb 28, 2022 - Chris transferred to another facility

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Kind of split on the issue of Sonichu. Is it possible to make something genious out of turds due to sheer luck (or lack of it) ?

Sonichu is so bad, its good. It is at once uncreative yet unfettered, a perfect window into Chris's autistic mind. A fantasy autobiography more than LOTR, showing us how Chris views the world.

It is not well drawn, well written, or original, but it is a unique look into a most peculiar madness.
 
Kind of split on the issue of Sonichu. Is it possible to make something genious out of turds due to sheer luck (or lack of it) ?

Sonichu is so bad, its good. It is at once uncreative yet unfettered, a perfect window into Chris's autistic mind. A fantasy autobiography more than LOTR, showing us how Chris views the world.

It is not well drawn, well written, or original, but it is a unique look into a most peculiar madness.
The way I see it, the Sonichu comic books really were only the beginning of Chris's escapism being made into a form anybody could actually see, as opposed to simply being in his head since even by that point, Chris was obsessed with putting 'CWC' as a prefix on everything, up to and including 'CWCville City Gym' on his bedroom door.

It actually is kind of tragic when you strip out the attempts to be funny and realize the whole affair is really Chris trying to imagine a world where he'd be happy, a sense of powerlessness in the real world. Of course, being an entitled selfish piece of shit raised on traditional media narratives where the bad guys have to get beaten into a pulp by the good guys, the whole thing is really a superhero revenge fantasy where Chris gets what he wants in fantasyland because life keeps playing Kick the Autistic on him in real life.

After he stopped making the comics when he realized he violated his own internal logic with the death of Simonla (and then Bob's death where Chris got pissed at the grim reaper for lying to him or something), Chris ended up going tomgirl/trooning out and then the whole hedgehog crew came back but this time as the mini-figures and, really, Chris dropping almost all of the revenge seeking shit in favor of mind-numbingly boring 'playing house' where he and his inhuman friends all went to school together and generally lived perfect lives.

And it's all the more tragic because, understandably, Chris wants to be happy. But for a myriad of reasons, many of them because of Chris himself both because he's an oblivious idiot but sometimes a result of what can only be called as bad karma, he was stick living as the trailer trash he was born as. One just needs to look at all the bullshit he did trying to get Cole Smithey to acknowledge he still existed while thinking Cole literally threw money in a fireplace to burn in New York, specifically Chris wanting Cole to look after Barb so Chris could go on his love quest again. While Cole probably stopped caring about his childhood things long ago, it was still an outrageously dick move on Chris's part to sell it all on eBay in the hope Cole would take exception to it.

This whole Merge idiocy is really the endgame for the Sonichu stuff, because it's Chris outright calling for the destruction of our reality in favor of this fictional Who Framed Roger Rabbit shitshow that, naturally, is entirely built to cater to one person, that being Chris. He WANTS it to be real so hard because it would finally mean he gets his way, for malicious purposes or otherwise, and deep down he has to be aware its all bullshit, but he's in such denial over how crap his life is at this point that it's the only comfort he has left. He said himself some years back that even though he stopped making comics, the comics 'still continued in his head', so he'd rather try to live that life as opposed to trying to be a part of a society that really kind of unwillingly tolerated his existence.

All in all, I'm sure those psych evals tied to the court would be absolutely goddamn fascinating to read and I do hope they surface one day so we can see what the real experts can say about the unique headcase that CWC has become.
 
Maybe being cooped up in a hoard house is what contributed to Chris' decaying sanity and speech since leaving Manchester?
I forget the saying, but I think it's you are a product of your environment or your environment reflects you. But yeah, I think the hoard had a hand in shaping Chris into what he is now. He's even started his own hoard, prior to his arrest. What's sad is that long ago, Chris was aware and admitted to the clutter being a problem, and fairly recently, Chris stated that he's used to cluttered spaces now. Even if Chris got his own place, I can assure you that he would hoarded it up within a week.

Come to think of it, when Bob died, Chris was forced to quarantine in his room due to the bugs. Like Chris was ever one to follow the rules. I'm surprised he wasn't infested. Luckily the house fire more or less took care of that, only for 14 BLC to be cluttered again.
 
Every time somebody said "hey Mr./Mrs. Chandler, your son is literally retarded, he shouldn't be with regular kids", Borb went REEEEEEEEE MY PRECIOUS SON WILL NOT BE SENT TO THE NUT HOUSE REEEEEEEE when nobody was suggesting a Gilded Age insane asylum in the first place. So Chris was basically left to his own devices, with Borb stepping in to help Chris whenever he fucked up. Remember that shit like the Attraction Sign and the Sonichu meltdown in Walsh's office happened long before 4chan found him. Then the internet turbocharged the autism.
I almost wonder, given how devious Barb has been proven to be, that someone might have to said "autism" at one point, and since that doesn't seem as bad as being a literal retard, so they could pretend Chris was somehow gifted and not just a mong. Remember, we only have Chris's word for the autism diagnoses, and those "Autism Papers" state that it was something Chris had said. And those were only done because of Chris completely losing control, and through the way, had people guiding him, verses something happening and him having to go through it blindly.

Going back to Barb, maybe she had some sort of bragging rights with Bob, seeing as he had spat out a pair of kids that went onto be extremely smart and successful, and out from Barb popped... Chris. She perhaps thought that if she could reverse Munchhausen Syndrome and convince the world, and Chris, and themselves, that no, he was some super special genius, on the Honor Roll, even going so far as to believe it themselves when Chris claimed Nintendo was talking to him about going into business, that it would transform Chris into some semblance of a normal human being. Just given all that he's been exposed to, even someone with autism would pick up on social cues and whatnot, but he just seems like some ID'd kid picking out a costume to wear everyday and thinking that was fine for the world.
Also as mentioned before, Chris likely has Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (which would make Barb "Mother of the Year" when she had Chris).
Intellectual Disability can come from that, and it might not be as full blown as Greta Thunberg's is. I also won't believe if someone said Barb, going from drunken idiots, and being back holler trash, would go cold turkey if she was pregnant.
 
I wonder if Chris was really misdiagnosed with autism when he really should have been diagnosed more with being intellectually disabled, and everything his parents did just made it worse, like
...like pickling him?
seems too me that the only thing ruling out FAS is his memory is pretty good & his front teeth don't look like tortilla chips.

Chris likely has Fetal Alcohol Syndrome
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It's fucking obvious by now that Borb should have taken up the offer to send Chris to tard boarding school so he could have been educated by people who are professional certified tard wranglers.

Every time somebody said "hey Mr./Mrs. Chandler, your son is literally retarded, he shouldn't be with regular kids", Borb went REEEEEEEEE MY PRECIOUS SON WILL NOT BE SENT TO THE NUT HOUSE REEEEEEEE

Basically, Chris is what happens when parents don't give a flying fuck about their kid except to keep him at home under their semi-surveillance.

Chris' parents come from the age where if you don't see the problem. It doesn't exist. A good example is Hypernova Dayton or whatever that fags name is. You'll see how the parents just shrug off problems until it becomes too much and explode. Same could be said with the Chandlers. Borb ignored Chris needing special help because he's not retarded. Just his actions. That and Borb could've gave less fucks if need be. If some other sugar daddy came along or Bob didn't want/care for a kid she'd dump baby Chris in the trash faster than sonic speeding. In other words, there is no war in Ba Sing Se.
 
Hers a short list of places he might be at
Central state hospital, Petersburg, va
Poplar springs hospital Petersburg va
Centra hospital, Lynchburg va
Catawba hospital, Catawba va
Western state hospital, Staunton va
Snowden, fredericksburg va
I nova hospital, Alexandria va
I nova hospital falls church va
I nova, lees burg va
North spring hospital, Lee’s burg va
Winchester hospital, Winchester va
Prince William hospital, manassas va
Dominion hospital falls church va
Eastern state hospital, Williamsburg va
Pavilion hospital, Williamsburg va
Riverside hospital Hampton va
Virginia Beach center Virginia Beach va
kempsville hospital, Norfolk va
a purpose-built giant metal subterranean sphere containing pure darkness except for a blindingly lit glass box magnetically suspended in the exact centre
 
but he just seems like some ID'd kid picking out a costume to wear everyday and thinking that was fine for the world.
Well you probably meant it metaphorically, but Chris did walk around in a fucking Ash Ketchum outfit, hat and vest and everything, for YEARS.
 
Okay, psychfag here. Firstly IQ has many measures and there are many types of IQ tests that naturally all have a +/- rate some examples are the woodcock-johnson or weschler test. Chris 1000% recieved a visit from a forensic psychologist who basically do assessments on criminals and make recommendations to the court/testify based on this. Being a retard or at least "slow in the mind" is actually a valid mitigating circumstance on why you might not have been able to fully grasp your crime and thus why you should get a reduced sentence or alternative sentencing. (because not knowing it wasn't a crime is never a valid legal defense). Meeting Chris for an hour with no prior knowledge of him other than medical records and criminal for a clinical assessment is more than ample time you can tell he's slow in the mind as well as a turbo autist even when not on his escapist fantasies. (don't worry, no actual PhD psychologist or even a fucking masters degree counselor would mistake this for schizo shit because literal schizo is way way different). If they didn't give him an IQ test it's likely because he's too into his grandiose delusions to be able to comply or chimped out during it being administered.

People can be legally retarded and not be drooling tard type. Most sub 100 IQ people that you meet you will not be able to tell other than that they might seem a bit ignorant or country/ hoodrat type. They're people you would colloquially be like "eh they're a bit dumb sometimes" but wouldn't be concerned about. Most tards can use phones, internet, make social connections, work jobs, etc. They can blend into society just fine but are indeed, slow in the mind. Many tards might even have a very high EQ (emotional intelligence) to the extent that they can finesse themselves around into situations or jobs where they might not be capable mentally because they're just really good with people. Their other attributes can make them not looked retarded. Obviously, Chris is an autist and I would bet money that if I given an IQ test, he would be sub 100 even with the standard deviation taken into account.

Chris lacks critical thinking skills, basic problem solving abilities, pattern recognition, forethought, and the ability to actually meaningfully learn things. Autism has also graced him with no social intelligence so there's a double whammy on being inept.

Chris has competency in very few things, even things that he genuinely likes. As another user mentioned, he can't build a good deck that makes sense for Pokémon which most autists are good at seems to be unable to memorize rules or other things for a game which most autists can. He literally went to buy a toy when homeless and in his car because his brain cannot compute planning ahead. Even though he can compute that he "shouldn't" do certain things he doesn't actually understand why. He has never had a concept for consequences of his actions even with repeated reinforcement (such as don't touch girls weirdly) from weens over the years. He had shown the inability to learn on a level that is more extreme than that of the average cow. Continued reinforcement on "dont touch girls" and girls saying "don't do that" over and over even with consistent unending reinforcement for decades has never managed to register and it's not just because hes a creep. It's because he is physically incapable of impulse control.

His reasoning for why things are good or bad are also very childish and are not well elaborated on. He is incapable of explaining things well, even real things in his own life, and is very bad at mitigating his own feelings in a pro-social manner which cause weapons grade chimpouts and this is a mid functioning autist/tard crossover.

Even with the BEST interventions for Chris as a kid, he likely would have never been able to fully be independent as an adult. He probably still have needed a tugboat or to live with others but have an easy part time job like stocking shelves or being a bagger. A lot of people here have grossly overestimated his executive functioning levels for years but thats only because it's inconceivable for people who arent experienced in it to realize that he isn't mentally capable of understanding or doing certain things and wouldn't ever be even under the best care.

Just because he can put together sentences, some narc stories, word salads, or learn a few more complex pieces vocabulary doesn't mean he's not a clinical retard who will always need a wrangler.
 
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Okay, psychfag here. Firstly IQ has many measures and there are many types of IQ tests that naturally all have a +/- rate some examples are the woodcock-johnson or weschler test. Chris 1000% recieved a visit from a forensic psychologist who basically do assessments on criminals and make recommendations to the court/testify based on this. Being a retard or at least "slow in the mind" is actually a valid mitigating circumstance on why you might not have been able to fully grasp your crime and thus why you should get a reduced sentence or alternative sentencing. (because not knowing it wasn't a crime is never a valid legal defense). Meeting Chris for an hour with no prior knowledge of him other than medical records and criminal for a clinical assessment is more than ample time you can tell he's slow in the mind as well as a turbo autist even when not on his escapist fantasies. (don't worry, no actual PhD psychologist or even a fucking masters degree counselor would mistake this for schizo shit because literal schizo is way way different). If they didn't give him an IQ test it's likely because he's too into his grandiose delusions to be able to comply or chimped out during it being administered.

People can be legally retarded and not be drooling tard type. Most sub 100 IQ people that you meet you will not be able to tell other than that they might seem a bit ignorant or country/ hoodrat type. They're people you would colloquially be like "eh they're a bit dumb sometimes" but wouldn't be concerned about. Most tards can use phones, internet, make social connections, work jobs, etc. They can blend into society just fine but are indeed, slow in the mind. Many tards might even have a very high EQ (emotional intelligence) to the extent that they can finesse themselves around into situations or jobs where they might not be capable mentally because they're just really good with people. Their other attributes can make them not looked retarded. Obviously, Chris is an autist and I would bet money that if I gave him a formal IQ test, he would be sub 100 even with the standard deviation taken into account.

Chris lacks critical thinking skills, basic problem solving abilities, pattern recognition, forethought, and the ability to actually meaningfully learn things. Autism has also graced him with no social intelligence so there's a double whammy on being inept.

Chris has competency in very few things, even things that he genuinely likes. As another user mentioned, he can't build a good deck that makes sense for Pokémon which most autists are good at seems to be unable to memorize rules or other things for a game which most autists can. He literally went to buy a toy when homeless and in his car because his brain cannot compute planning ahead. Even though he can compute that he "shouldn't" do certain things he doesn't actually understand why. He has never had a concept for consequences of his actions even with repeated reinforcement (such as don't touch girls weirdly) from weens over the years. He had shown the inability to learn on a level that is more extreme than that of the average cow. Continued reinforcement on "dont touch girls" and girls saying "don't do that" over and over even with consistent unending reinforcement for decades has never managed to register and it's not just because hes a creep. It's because he is physically incapable of impulse control.

His reasoning for why things are good or bad are also very childish and are not well elaborated on. He is incapable of explaining things well, even real things in his own life, and is very bad at mitigating his own feelings in a pro-social manner which cause weapons grade chimpouts and this is a mid functioning autist/tard crossover.

Even with the BEST interventions for Chris as a kid, he likely would have never been able to fully be independent as an adult. He probably still have needed a tugboat or to live with others but have an easy part time job like stocking shelves or being a bagger. A lot of people here have grossly overestimated his executive functioning levels for years but thats only because it's inconceivable for people who arent experienced in it to realize that he isn't mentally capable of understanding or doing certain things and wouldn't ever be even under the best care.

Just because he can put together sentences, some narc stories, word salads, or learn a few more complex pieces vocabulary doesn't mean he's not a clinical retard who will always need a wrangler.

Another issue too is that trolls have tried to help Chris, however, at the same time had made fun of him at his own expense. So whatever viable advice they tried to give him. Chris took it negatively and possibly contracted said advice to spur the trolls. Like ringing a bell and then punishing a pet. So that whenever a bell rings they cower. A few examples is how Chris uses niave against those he dislikes. Or even better, him using "get a job!" as an insult because he doesn't see it as legit advice. Rather something you say to fight back or mock your opponents.

Now would positive reinforcement be good for Chris? I'm going to say no. Chris already believes he deserves everything. As soon as the dopamine hits him everything goes out of the window. Hence no matter what he does or what people do to help. The feeling of gratification blocks out everything and overrides his thinking. To where he can't. Aka buying Legos or playing vidya.
 
Okay, psychfag here. Firstly IQ has many measures and there are many types of IQ tests that naturally all have a +/- rate some examples are the woodcock-johnson or weschler test. Chris 1000% recieved a visit from a forensic psychologist who basically do assessments on criminals and make recommendations to the court/testify based on this. Being a retard or at least "slow in the mind" is actually a valid mitigating circumstance on why you might not have been able to fully grasp your crime and thus why you should get a reduced sentence or alternative sentencing. (because not knowing it wasn't a crime is never a valid legal defense). Meeting Chris for an hour with no prior knowledge of him other than medical records and criminal for a clinical assessment is more than ample time you can tell he's slow in the mind as well as a turbo autist even when not on his escapist fantasies. (don't worry, no actual PhD psychologist or even a fucking masters degree counselor would mistake this for schizo shit because literal schizo is way way different). If they didn't give him an IQ test it's likely because he's too into his grandiose delusions to be able to comply or chimped out during it being administered.

People can be legally retarded and not be drooling tard type. Most sub 100 IQ people that you meet you will not be able to tell other than that they might seem a bit ignorant or country/ hoodrat type. They're people you would colloquially be like "eh they're a bit dumb sometimes" but wouldn't be concerned about. Most tards can use phones, internet, make social connections, work jobs, etc. They can blend into society just fine but are indeed, slow in the mind. Many tards might even have a very high EQ (emotional intelligence) to the extent that they can finesse themselves around into situations or jobs where they might not be capable mentally because they're just really good with people. Their other attributes can make them not looked retarded. Obviously, Chris is an autist and I would bet money that if I gave him a formal IQ test, he would be sub 100 even with the standard deviation taken into account.

Chris lacks critical thinking skills, basic problem solving abilities, pattern recognition, forethought, and the ability to actually meaningfully learn things. Autism has also graced him with no social intelligence so there's a double whammy on being inept.

Chris has competency in very few things, even things that he genuinely likes. As another user mentioned, he can't build a good deck that makes sense for Pokémon which most autists are good at seems to be unable to memorize rules or other things for a game which most autists can. He literally went to buy a toy when homeless and in his car because his brain cannot compute planning ahead. Even though he can compute that he "shouldn't" do certain things he doesn't actually understand why. He has never had a concept for consequences of his actions even with repeated reinforcement (such as don't touch girls weirdly) from weens over the years. He had shown the inability to learn on a level that is more extreme than that of the average cow. Continued reinforcement on "dont touch girls" and girls saying "don't do that" over and over even with consistent unending reinforcement for decades has never managed to register and it's not just because hes a creep. It's because he is physically incapable of impulse control.

His reasoning for why things are good or bad are also very childish and are not well elaborated on. He is incapable of explaining things well, even real things in his own life, and is very bad at mitigating his own feelings in a pro-social manner which cause weapons grade chimpouts and this is a mid functioning autist/tard crossover.

Even with the BEST interventions for Chris as a kid, he likely would have never been able to fully be independent as an adult. He probably still have needed a tugboat or to live with others but have an easy part time job like stocking shelves or being a bagger. A lot of people here have grossly overestimated his executive functioning levels for years but thats only because it's inconceivable for people who arent experienced in it to realize that he isn't mentally capable of understanding or doing certain things and wouldn't ever be even under the best care.

Just because he can put together sentences, some narc stories, word salads, or learn a few more complex pieces vocabulary doesn't mean he's not a clinical retard who will always need a wrangler.
Ok, this sounds about right, but it begs the question, how the fuck was Chris evaluated as a high functioning autistic in the first place when he quite obviously has more issues?

Is this why Chris's actual autism papers/diagnosis have been locked up by Borb in a safe somewhere and were never seen by Chris? Could it be that Chris actually has severe autism/other mental retardation but they simply hid it from him and told everyone he was high functioning in order to keep him in mainstream schooling? Are Bob and Barb the real horrowcows for letting their severely mentally retarded son humiliate himself repeatedly without wrangling while they told themselves that there was nothing wrong with Chris in a case of reverse Munchausen syndrome?
 
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@Bonktrash its not letting me quote you but high functioning autism can mean that you're not damn near catatonic/ can talk and make sentences/ and probably have some semblance of human emotions.

Low functioning autism he likely wouldn't have ever been able to internet.
So he might be high functioning autistic, but he also most likely has other learning disabilities that Borb were keeping from him? Surely his initial 'wtf is wrong with him' diagnosis would have indicated he was mentally retarded in addition to his high functioning autism?

I just don't see how Bob and Barb could have not known he was retarded, or how that was overlooked in his initial diagnosis, so assuming you are right and he is in fact retarded, that only leaves the possibility that they lied to Chris about the full extent of his diagnosis.
 
I just don't see how Bob and Barb could have not known he was retarded, or how that was overlooked in his initial diagnosis, so assuming you are right and he is in fact retarded, that only leaves the possibility that they lied to Chris about the full extent of his diagnosis.

This is a story from a person im very close with when they were interning as a pre-med student:

They were working at a low-cost clinic, the dad came in for a pediatric checkup with his 4 year old son who was crawling under the chairs and non responsive to peoples cues or words. Wouldn't look them in the eye and hadn't learned a single word yet. They noticed a football jersey on the dad and commented about the game. The dad happily went on and was talking about how he played football in college and wanted his son to be a football star and all these dreams he had for him and his son..... He just thought his son was a little late to the game.

They had to tell him "Sir, your son has severe autism, and will never be able to do any of those things." That was the hardest news they ever had to deliver. He quit later in med-school after that for many reasons, but this was one of them.

Parents sometimes just don't know either through ignorance or denial. It's a parents job to have big dreams for their kids. It's not always their fault that they don't realize their kid isn't normal.
 
Parents sometimes just don't know either through ignorance or denial. It's a parents job to have big dreams for their kids. It's not always their fault that they don't realize their kid isn't normal.
Its been brought up before, but Bob and Barb were from a time where any kind of mental retardation was seen as being some kind of scarlet letter upon not only the individual but their family as well. Thus, I bet that upon learning Chris had autism at the very least, the more technical aspects all kind of blurred together and Barb at least thought she could brute-force Chris into normalacy through spoiling him (I.E. her buying him Transformers if he could read their names, shit like Prowl, Rewind, Soundwave - it was convenient for Chris that Transformers typically have simple names).

The school system is to blame, though understandable given it was more to just to stop having to deal with the Chandlers (who by all accounts were terrible people, Barb more than Bob though) by fasttracking Chris with grades that normally would get a kid held back, which we know from the salvaged documents in the post-fire ruin of 14BC. Sonichu himself only exists because of that one school assignment - it makes you wonder if the teacher had allowed Sonic to be used if Chris would have just made Sonic fanfiction outright (which to be fair, Sonichu veered into a couple of times with things like 'Ren Skysoar' who is blatantly Classic design Dr. Eggman).

It really does paint a picture of Chris becoming the entitled shit who idolized high school, because everybody in his life was either ignoring or exploting his autism no matter how problematic it was. His parents tried to pretend nothing was obviously wrong, the school ignored it so they didn't have to deal with his parents, and the Gal Pals exploited it because they got their social service credits or whatever.

The is an episode of the Twilight Zone; "Its a Good Life", which involves a little shithead having god powers and irrevocably fucking everything up, but the townsfolk can't tell him no because then the kid gets angry and, essentially, kills them in childlike ways (turning a guy into a jack-in-the-box, for instance). I feel Chris is very much like that kid, who went all through their formative years without ever being told no by their superiors or peers because nobody wanted to deal with the consequences - and while it wasn't god powers (though chris certainly wanted these with the comic being revenge fantasy and now with claiming to be God multiple times over), tard rage would be enough to turn anybody off if they didn't have the patience of a whole fucking cathedral of saints.

Chris in his current situation is the point he finally hit that brick wall that no matter how much he screams, yells, bawls, or attempts to get around the problem without acknowledging he is the problem, the obstacles in his way will not be moved.
 
Makes me wonder if his decision to keep many of the original lyrics in his covers + contest entries (Chop Chop Master Onion) are a result of minimal effort, or truly a lack of creativity on his part.
Yes, in a vacuum Sonichu is just a mishmash OC. But the story of Sonichu isn't just Chris being Sonichu's pokemon trainer or something. A lot of interesting stuff happens. Remember there was a LONG period between when Chris created the Sonichu character, and when Chris actually started creating Sonichu lore. After a couple of issues it stops just being Pokemon with Sonic powers.

And yeah Chris steals a lot of ideas, but ultimately that's what all creators do. You have to remix just enough, and eventually it does become something original.

Anchuent Cherokians (that resemble Mormon-style lore), people struggling with their sexual identity, a dark force that is the personification of growing up and having to take responsibility, one man's struggle against an oppressive system, etc.

It's all very childish, but it actually is pretty deep when you analyze it.
Chris is a modern day Henry Darger and I hope to God whoever stumbles upon his OC’s when the room is cleaned out sees their value or knows who Chris is. They unironically belong in a museum.

Chris is possibly the greatest outsider artist in history.
 
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