Feb 28, 2022 - Chris transferred to another facility

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Stupidface said:
How likely is civil commitment? Or is it just an unknown and equally possible as everything else? I feel like they wouldn't want to waste further resources on him unless they've decided he's some sort of danger.
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Not likely. I was just listing as many outcomes as I could think of and how we could identify them with the limited information we would receive. It's not completely impossible though.

AnOminous said:
If you mean the involuntary civil commitment reserved for convicted sex offenders after their sentence, he would have to be convicted of a qualifying crime to be considered a "sexual predator." Simple incest doesn't count. It would have to be found to be a predatory offense, and we're still in a situation where he isn't charged with an offense of that nature, although it seems that consent was at best questionable.
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So there's an interesting loophole I found in Virginia code. If you are found to be unrestorable you don't actually have to be convicted of the crime to go into the sexual predator civil commitment process. They could slap him with a sexually violent charge like rape, and if he is ruled unrestorable and the charges are dropped (either through evaluation, or if they try for 5 years and fail) for the purposes of the civil commitment statute, it's treated as if he were convicted.

If he's found to be competent again they could just drop the difficult charges before they even went to indictment.

I doubt they've done this, but the idea seems sound, when I was looking at it from the perspective of someone trying to get Chris permanently dealt with without having to take him to trial.

It's farfetched, of course.

AnOminous said:
If you mean involuntary civil commitment on grounds of literally just being so insane he's a threat to himself and/or others, so far, we don't have that either.
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You're very probably right, but Chris seemed to be going very much in the downhill direction toward the end of his first six months. To the point that I wouldn't completely discount the possibility.

Regular involuntary civil commitment is still a possibily. It's unlikely, but if they really wanted to make the argument, they could, now that there's a large body of medical evidence collected from his hospital stay. It depends on how much he's deteriorated or improved.

AnOminous said:
If you mean a situation where they actually offer him an opportunity to commit himself voluntarily and he takes it, the former is actually less likely than the latter, but I also don't see Chris voluntarily going to a tard home at least without a few days homeless to figure out that's even worse.
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Chris didn't even want to sleep in a van. I don't think he's going to choose sleeping on the street voluntarily. He'll probably go to a tard home if it's the only option on offer. I'd be more worried about him getting himself kicked out. If he continues to insist that he's going back to 14BC, then they might choose to deal with it in another way.

Optimus Prime said:
Absolutely no way he didn't ask for his shit. IIRC he asked to be allowed to fetch his belongings from his house at the first hearing following his arrest (and was obviously denied), so the idea he's being sent into a nuthouse probably would make him demand that he be given the chance to even have a single one of his toys - as if there was any chance that was going to have a better shot at working.
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As has been pointed out by others, I think the "get his things back home" comment was him wanting to get the toys he'd left in the motel room, so they can be taken "back home". He was worried about losing his travel toys, as well as the new ones he'd just bought at the mall with Barb's money.

Chris never had his toys in his other two stays in jail, I doubt he expected to get them this time around. And remember, he probably thought he was only going to be in jail for a couple of days, just like his last stays.

AnOminous said:
I'm pretty sure he can answer this, but since he hasn't yet, I think that he thinks it's very likely that Chris gets released at the end of the year, possibly after pleading to some charge, like the incest he's charged with, where that would be a reasonable sentence, and then he walks free, possibly with some suspended term that keeps him in treatment of some sort.
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This, pretty much. If he's only convicted of misdemeanors though, they can't give him a suspended sentence since he'll have already completed the sentence with time served anyway. Even if it all happens at the July 28th hearing, the most they could give him is 3 days of suspended sentence.

More likely, the treatment would just be a part of the plea agreement. It wouldn't have much teeth to it but it could at least be a promise.

To give him any sort of meaningful suspended sentence, it would have to be a felony, and that would have to be sentenced by a judge in circuit court (even if it were only a single hearing for this sole purpose). If I were Chris' lawyer though, if it were for a felony, I'd push for deferred disposition instead of suspended sentence, thus preserving Chris' chance to avoid a felony.

AnOminous said:
Another thing @Pointless Sperg has emphasized is the obligation of the state not just to eject tards like Chris into homelessness, but actually to establish an obligation of the state to place them somewhere, a legislative action which our old buddy Rob Bell pushed. It's a Small World After All!
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We'll see how good of a placement it is (it could just be a social worker and a guaranteed bed at a homeless shelter), but hopefully it's something decent. We can then also see how long Chris manages to keep it.

I am vomit said:
I feel like it's a protective order until the actual hearing. After that it's up to the court. I could be wrong though I'm not a lawyer or anything
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As far as we know there was no protective order, other than the initial one week emergency order. Chris was not prohibited from communicating with Barb while in jail, to the best of our knowledge. If Barb's relatives are managing her life now, they may try to work out some sort of order for when Chris is released.
 
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Professor Iris said:
I have one question: Is he barred from seeing his mother permanently?
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Even if he isn’t officially legally banned, she probably won’t live long enough with her sustained injuries, psychological abuse and sheer old age to ever see her son again, and if she does, she’ll call the cops or have family or assistants tell him to fuck off. It’s what he deserves.
 
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Professor Iris said:
I have one question: Is he barred from seeing his mother permanently?
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Probably not in so many words, but constructively, yes. Let's take into consideration a couple of things we can reasonably deduce from what has happened:
  • there was a protective order in place, and we do not know if it was made permanent
  • he's in a state mental facility for a standard aid and assist evaluation.
  • he cannot be released from custody until his hearing, depending on the outcome thereof. He may then be put in a facility meant to handle intellectually disabled adults far away.
  • if Barb wants to see him, this will involve his attorney arranging some kind of contact with permission of the court. This has to come from her own initiative, as the protected party.
  • Barb is not healthy, to put it mildly, and possibly not all there mentally.
  • she is under the care of her next of kin, who are now likely to be her legal guardians.
Now, think: Knowing what they know, will Barbs' guardians think it is a good idea for her to contact him? Very likely not. There may now be a permanent protective order in place preventing him from contacting her and/or returning to 14 BLC/anywhere she is housed. If he breaks that, he goes back to jail. This will have been emphasized to him by his attorney and the judge.

We don't actually know Barbs' mental state. She could be fine now that she has adequate care for her medical needs and is now sharp as a tack. In that case, all bets are off. She can do whatever she wants, but right now this is complete speculation. Barb is not going to get well enough to wrangle Chris herself. She may pass away before the hearing or shortly after, and then the point is moot.

There are a lot of variables in this situation, and only a few of them are realistic. The short answer is "Probably not".
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Ophelia said:
She was contacting Chris when he was in jail.
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i still can't believe it was really her.
there's just to many hurdles to jump for me to picture this lazy reht'hardt lump forming sentences, let alone writing them down. especially after GFM verified she wasn't putting on an act. he said every time he saw her she was 'out of it'.
 
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Cheerlead-in-Chief said:
Thankfully with no offspring, but Sonichus. Hell, he referenced Barbchu as a man stealing redneck tomboy
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The abomination of desolations is the more accurate name
thegooddoctor said:
I mean If anyone deserves a gross Incest marriage it’s borderline trailer trash like them. Barb was already whoring around for years before even this disaster.
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barb did create the monster and got fucked by it so I say yeah
 
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Pappy Striderite said:
i still can't believe it was really her.
there's just to many hurdles to jump for me to picture this lazy reht'hardt lump forming sentences, let alone writing them down. especially after GFM verified she wasn't putting on an act. he said every time he saw her she was 'out of it'.
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I remember Chris mentioned talking to her on the phone.

She’s a good actress and a lifelong con artist.
 
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