Feminism and leftist created the incel problem.

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Jace on ice said:
I'd say when I go out probably 70% of people I meet are average to slightly above average looking.

It's pretty rare that someone is so ugly it makes me do a double take.

Either you guys have formed an ugly cluster that severely wrecks the curve or you're not as ugly as you think.
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I can only give you my anecdotal experience, im 28 years old, never been in a relationship never once had any positive female attention outside of my own family. Multiple jobs ive had, Ive scared people by just existing in the work environment. My last job my boss sat me down and told me she received complaints that I was scaring the patients and employees. This was a hospice setting. I was diagnosed a sperg in my teens and I never really was socially competent to begin with so that doesnt help any. I finally learned to read the writing on the wall. Im simply not acceptable enough to exist in a normal human society and therefore this part of my families bloodline will die with me.
 
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spurggist said:
I can only give you my anecdotal experience, im 28 years old, never been in a relationship never once had any positive female attention outside of my own family. Multiple jobs ive had, Ive scared people by just existing in the work environment. My last job my boss sat me down and told me she received complaints that I was scaring the patients and employees. This was a hospice setting. I was diagnosed a sperg in my teens and I never really was socially competent to begin with so that doesnt help any. I finally learned to read the writing on the wall. Im simply not acceptable enough to exist in a normal human society and therefore this part of my families bloodline will die with me.
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Have you ever gone to a bar and gotten drunk?

It sounds to me like you could greatly benefit from lowering your inhibitions.
 
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spurggist said:
I can only give you my anecdotal experience, im 28 years old, never been in a relationship never once had any positive female attention outside of my own family. Multiple jobs ive had, Ive scared people by just existing in the work environment. My last job my boss sat me down and told me she received complaints that I was scaring the patients and employees. This was a hospice setting. I was diagnosed a sperg in my teens and I never really was socially competent to begin with so that doesnt help any. I finally learned to read the writing on the wall. Im simply not acceptable enough to exist in a normal human society and therefore this part of my families bloodline will die with me.
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Seems like your behavior is the issue here.
 
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Forsaken Wanderer said:
If you miss out on that stage of life where everyone is young and awkward then you are always going to be at a disadvantage because everyone around you has had experience and you are completely lost.

Not only that but there are studies showing that touching is as important for development into a functional adult as any other social activity. If you never get the chance to have any intimacy then what negative effect does it have on your brain.

Like you said in the previous post, nobody tells guys how anything works, you just have to figure it out yourself if you ever get the chance.
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I disagree. People talk about teenage puppy love being important, but it's only important if you are in a small village where it's pretty obvious who you are going to be shagging for the rest of your life or at least for a long time.

That shit is literally propaganda from teen films. Not saying it can't be important, but a teen born after the 1950s isn't going to be farming their entire life on the same patch of land like most teenagers before then did. They have to have a career and a source of income that involves education, which necessarily means having to focus less on making children and romance and more on studying to make a living.


That's why people pair bonded so early: they needed an army of kids to tend the farms,/mine the caves/fish the waters etc in order to ensure their long term survival and as a retirement plan. Not to completely diss it, but people over-romanticize it and act like there's something super special about being with a person who you won't see after high school. They also underestimate how neuroplatic the brain is even into old age.
 
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spurggist said:
I can only give you my anecdotal experience, im 28 years old, never been in a relationship never once had any positive female attention outside of my own family. Multiple jobs ive had, Ive scared people by just existing in the work environment. My last job my boss sat me down and told me she received complaints that I was scaring the patients and employees. This was a hospice setting. I was diagnosed a sperg in my teens and I never really was socially competent to begin with so that doesnt help any. I finally learned to read the writing on the wall. Im simply not acceptable enough to exist in a normal human society and therefore this part of my families bloodline will die with me.
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That is the same experience that I have had.

I have only been given three compliments in my entire life, 2 from girls much younger than me, and 1 from a woman much older than me (must of been in her 70s). 1 of them said I had a nice shirt, 2 of them said I had nice eyes. That is it in my entire life, and not even a single shred of interest or conversation from any woman, especially any close to my age.

Well actually, there was one time in my life. I was playing Fortnite and I helped a scrub out and then we started playing together for a bit and one night we talked on mics for hours while we played, it felt like 5 minutes though, a shame it flew by so fast. Not long after she blocked me because I was posting memes about fat feminists. That was my one shining moment in my entire life.

Also, at my previous job I used to walk around town for my lunch break. I miss doing that, the quiet, the sun🌞, the fresh air. 3 times when I was out walking random guys I passed told me to cheer up or that life wasn't that bad.

So I've been told to cheer up as much as I've been complimented in my life. We are destined to die alone that is for sure.


Geddy Lee's Fee and See said:
I disagree. People talk about teenage puppy love being important, but it's only important if you are in a small village where it's pretty obvious who you are going to be shagging for the rest of your life or at least for a long time.

That shit is literally propaganda from teen films. Not saying it can't be important, but a teen born after the 1950s isn't going to be farming their entire life on the same patch of land like most teenagers before then did. They have to have a career and a source of income that involves education, which necessarily means having to focus less on making children and romance and more on studying to make a living.


That's why people pair bonded so early: they needed an army of kids to tend the farms,/mine the caves/fish the waters etc in order to ensure their long term survival and as a retirement plan. Not to completely diss it, but people over-romanticize it and act like there's something super special about being with a person who you won't see after high school. They also underestimate how neuroplatic the brain is even into old age.
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What I mean is that romance as a young confused adult is different to romance as an adult.

If you don't get to go on dates when you are young you miss the simple things in life like going to get a burger and then a walk on the beach, or just hanging out in the park or something like that.

When you get older all women want to do is file the tax returns and watch Grey's Anatomy on Netflix. You miss out on those fun experiences and getting to know what it's like to be around women in a more relaxed enviroment.
 
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Forsaken Wanderer said:
What I mean is that romance as a young confused adult is different to romance as an adult.

If you don't get to go on dates when you are young you miss the simple things in life like going to get a burger and then a walk on the beach, or just hanging out in the park or something like that.

When you get older all women want to do is file the tax returns and watch Grey's Anatomy on Netflix. You miss out on those fun experiences and getting to know what it's like to be around women in a more relaxed enviroment.
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All that depends on the person really. A lot of younger women are high maintenance as well, so the dating them becomes a job too where they want you to do certain things by certain times, need you to buy certain clothes for her, watch whatever women watch, etc meanwhile some women will just be low-maintenance from cradle to grave and just appreciate your presence while doing something.

That's more an individual character trait of the woman rather than something that goes away when you get old. You can still do all of that with a woman that loves you when you get older. In fact, if she doesn't just appreciate the simple things done with you once in awhile, she's probably just using you to get free shit.
 
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Bloody hell, if you guys are so miserable about "missing out on teenage puppy love" just date some college girls and get it out of your system. A fair amount of women in their early 20s surprisingly dig older guys anyway, admittedly it's the cool, established, Pierce-Brosnan-type of older man that they think about and not the gloomy-faced, out-of-shape weirdo wearing piss-drenched jeans with no ambition and the social skills of Elliot Rodger. But y'know, that's fixable. You might not become Brosnan but you can be way less of a loser.
spurggist said:
I can agree to an extent, I am socially retarded. I dont try and engage in any sort of social situation.
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Well, you seem aware of the problem, which means you can fix it.
 
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Forsaken Wanderer said:
If you don't get to go on dates when you are young you miss the simple things in life like going to get a burger and then a walk on the beach, or just hanging out in the park or something like that.
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You have a very peculiar idea of what dating looks like and this is literally every single 40+ woman's idea of a good date. When thinking of love as college-aged people, I'd sooner give the example of going on a motorcycle trip to fuck around in SEA or SA without a single worry in the world. Uprooting your life for months is not really possible for older people, but when young you can just fuck around for most part.

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spurggist said:
nobody wants a person like me shitting up the place
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Nigga, who the fuck cares what others want and as a paying customer, you have all the right to be there. You're there to pick up bitches and get drunk, anyone who doesn't like it can literally fuck off and die.
 
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This got me thinking about shit again, and I'm gonna ramble about it in the vaguest way I can without going full personal detail hell because I actually have an interesting stance on shit tied kinda to personal life experience.

I had a lot of male and female friends throughout my life, and still do. Romance though? Shit was always weird. Well over a decade ago, nearing or at 2 decades in some cases, long before my life was fucked up, the only ones that really showed romantic interest in me were the ones that at first beat the shit out of me and acted like they hated my guts for like a while before either some school staff told me they secretly liked me or hey went through a kind of "arc" of being less agrro towards me after some counseling meetings. Only one wasn't like that and it predated the others lmao. Sometimes I wonder where they are now, but I'm not gonna go stalk anyone or anything. Given when my highschool years ended I'd say I was able to live not only slightly before but right around the time shit started getting fucked up in the dating space. I still remember shit from my senior year that almost made me go through a really dark phase when some staff and students started talking some weird shit about males being defective females and shit and hearing horror stories about a lot of false rape accusations kicking up around at various colleges, and I'm fucking slightly thankful for my life getting fucked (but not much) because it means I was plugged out form that sphere of whatever the fuck was going on in the educational system for long enough to level out as I watched shit descend into madness the next decade or so.

The MAIN thing I noticed a rise of in those latter years after I had finished was a kind of "fake kindness" about everything masking actually abhorrent shit. This still holds true to this day, and extends far beyond the shit men get. Stuff like framing deporting illegals as bad NOT because a good chunk of them are people who are getting given a runaround when trying to get legal citizenship, but "OH WHO'S GONNA ROOF YOUR HOUSE/MOW YOUR LAWN/FIX YOU TOILET NOW HUH CHUD HMMM?" as if all working class people are not only beneath them status wise but also illegal immigrants. Not even to show that those people are working hard and still getting fucked by the immigration office, but as an empty fucking "own" against "the bad people". In these small moments, it becomes very clear where certain people's priorities lie. They don't want friends, they don't want diligent workers, they want serfs and vassals. This is specifically tied tot he illegal immigrant issue, mind you, not the incel one. The incel one is a double edged sword in a sense because it's less an actual culture and more just people who can't get gf for whatever reason. From observed behavior, I've seen both the male and female side of incels share elements with not only each other, but also the people who refer to everyone else as an "incel" . It fascinates the shit out of me but i can't really put my exact theory into words right now, but the elements I've observed also somewhat call back to a lot of the weird shit I started hearing from some people as high school ended. The stuff that LIKE I SAID almost put me down a dark path of my own mentally. This might seem a little schizo, but I noticed a lot of this shit sparked up right around the subversion and fall of OWS like the race and gender shit did, and I would not be too averse to the idea of it being a similar top down push with greater than intended consequences.

All I can really know for certain is that the kids that beat the shit out of me or yelled at me over dumb shit as a kid as a result of some weird pent up rage about their personal life at home and romantic feelings were infinitely more genuine than the people these days that say the same tired fucking statements about relationships and men or women or whatever. Hope those fuckers found people that can handle em and didn't get absorbed into whatever fucked up machine has been churning the last 12 or 14 years or so.

Silence of the Troons said:
Until the 20th century, genetic dead end males (though unfortunately, not enough of them) in the West were dealt with in a variety of ways, notably by being sent off to die in war or in the mines. It's time to start purging them again. When you don't purge genetic dead end males, and instead go out of your way to create a system which ensures that as many of them as possible get a girlfriend/wife handed to them, you get dysfunctional incel societies like India.
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I hit disagree specifically because of this one fucking statement. War and mine work that wasn't like borderline or outright child slave tier shit historically has been infamously a majority poor or working glass family men trying to support their households, and eventually dying leaving the family fucked up. To dismiss this as some kind of eugenics against 'genetic dead ends" is fucking retarded and gay reddit atheist shit.
 
If any one thing can be said to have created the incel problem, it's the internet. Incels are terminally online and wallow in misery at every opportunity - their own, or one another's. They alternate between blaming their own looks for their failure and blaming women for refusing their advances, without realising that what's actually causing the problem is the fact that they spend all their time hooked up to the internet, obsessively strategising how to get laid, rather than just going out and enjoying life.

Incels are the toaster fucker problem with a different coat of paint. Back before the internet, if you couldn't get a date, you'd get mad, people would tell you to grow up, and you'd eventually just chalk it up to a dry period or realise that you were being weird. Then you'd get over yourself and marry a sweet girl who had a nice laugh, which you'd hear a lot because she found your lame jokes funny, and could carry a sheep under each arm. Today, if you can't get a date, you go online and find a bunch of other men who can't find dates, and who tell one another that it's all chad's fault and women are all whores, while obsessively trying to craft your face and body to match an impossible ideal form in the hope of catching a supermodel's eye. All the while you'd spiral ever deeper into angry fixation on the thing you can't have. It's just troonery without the genderwoo, which is why the incel-to-troon pipeline is so powerful.
 
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teriyakiburns said:
If any one thing can be said to have created the incel problem, it's the internet. Incels are terminally online and wallow in misery at every opportunity - their own, or one another's. They alternate between blaming their own looks for their failure and blaming women for refusing their advances, without realising that what's actually causing the problem is the fact that they spend all their time hooked up to the internet, obsessively strategising how to get laid, rather than just going out and enjoying life.

Incels are the toaster fucker problem with a different coat of paint. Back before the internet, if you couldn't get a date, you'd get mad, people would tell you to grow up, and you'd eventually just chalk it up to a dry period or realise that you were being weird. Then you'd get over yourself and marry a sweet girl who had a nice laugh, which you'd hear a lot because she found your lame jokes funny, and could carry a sheep under each arm. Today, if you can't get a date, you go online and find a bunch of other men who can't find dates, and who tell one another that it's all chad's fault and women are all whores, while obsessively trying to craft your face and body to match an impossible ideal form in the hope of catching a supermodel's eye. All the while you'd spiral ever deeper into angry fixation on the thing you can't have. It's just troonery without the genderwoo, which is why the incel-to-troon pipeline is so powerful.
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They existed long before the internet, only half of men reproduce according to genetic science. The internet just shows whats going on in their heads at early developmental stages and gives them fuel while congregating them.

If anything its legitimized them as a recognizable thing for women to complain about and losery men that are barely one notch above them on the social ladder to point to so they can feel good about themselves because some female loser touched their penis once.
 
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