Feminism and leftist created the incel problem.

[Iron Jaguar]

Have you ever gone to a bar and gotten drunk?

It sounds to me like you could greatly benefit from lowering your inhibitions.

Very unhelpful advice. Firstly, spergs who drink still act like spergs but more so. Secondly, that's on par with saying, "Just be yourself..." - It's useless, non-advice.
It's like Freddie Mercury telling an aspiring singer, "Just sing like I do!", or Tiger Woods telling a beginner golfer to "Just make a hole in one every time!"

@spurggist You will almost never meet a woman worthy of a relationship in a bar, so rule that out.
There are plenty of low confidence women out there who are looking for love. They're not hot but they will often be very loyal and loving, if you show they can trust you and rely on you. I recommend you try a lonely hearts type website, where you can chat online with them, without the pressure of meeting IRL.
Find out what her interests are. Find out what she wants in her future. DON'T talk much about yourself. Generally, say one sentence for every four sentences she writes. Don't talk about being a sperg and a social reject - this is off-putting to everyone.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

only half of men reproduce according to genetic science.

Only half of men reproduced according to genetic science across ALL of available human history. That means periods where men died off so often that there were barely any males left around. The paper that this claim is derived from (which was conducted by two students and has been pretty heavily criticized lately for their methodology) says that it was 1 man for every 17 women at its worst.

In modern times the statistics are more along the lines of 72% of men have reproduced which is pretty close in general to the female average.

 

[Forsaken Wanderer]

Look here, look listen. You guys have got it all upside down. The internet is not creating incels, it is allowing you to see that we exist. Throughout 99% of human history all of the average men that couldn't get a woman died alone with their stories untold. We finally have a chance to tell the world that we were real and that we lived.

All that depends on the person really. A lot of younger women are high maintenance as well, so the dating them becomes a job too where they want you to do certain things by certain times, need you to buy certain clothes for her, watch whatever women watch, etc meanwhile some women will just be low-maintenance from cradle to grave and just appreciate your presence while doing something.

That's more an individual character trait of the woman rather than something that goes away when you get old. You can still do all of that with a woman that loves you when you get older. In fact, if she doesn't just appreciate the simple things done with you once in awhile, she's probably just using you to get free shit.

Fair enough, the only good woman is a low maintenance one. Woman are said to be complex but they are actually very simple if you listen to their actions rather than their words. Is a woman happy to go for a walk with you? She wants to be with you. Is a woman trying to push you to go to a posh lobster & caviar restaurant? She just sees you as an ATM.

If he is indeed a faggot he's getting something you haven't seen in ages which is dick.

All of these slatternly women have premium subscriptions to Bad Dragon, they all know it's true.

You have a very peculiar idea of what dating looks like and this is literally every single 40+ woman's idea of a good date. When thinking of love as college-aged people, I'd sooner give the example of going on a motorcycle trip to fuck around in SEA or SA without a single worry in the world. Uprooting your life for months is not really possible for older people, but when young you can just fuck around for most part.

Edit:

Nigga, who the fuck cares what others want and as a paying customer, you have all the right to be there. You're there to pick up bitches and get drunk, anyone who doesn't like it can literally fuck off and die.

Is that not what I'm saying though, that we are missing out on the young carefree relationship experience, and instead even if we get a woman she is going to have to pause Grey's Anatomy to remote into work to file the TPS reports and she will need you gone by 7pm so that she can finish her lemongrass pattie sales powerpoint.

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

Is that not what I'm saying though, that we are missing out on the young carefree relationship experience, and instead even if we get a woman she is going to have to pause Grey's Anatomy to remote into work to file the TPS reports and she will need you gone by 7pm so that she can finish her lemongrass pattie sales powerpoint.

Yeah, but you're bringing up the most retarded and unfitting example to illustrate your point. Again, you can convince any 30-40 year old woman to go to a burger joint and visit the park/beach with you because it's the ultimate low-effort date idea for the nearly elderly. This is not the young, carefree relationship experience that you seem to be nostalgic for.

If you'd propose something that is actually more engaging and interesting than stuffing your gob and laying about, you might have more success as well. Few people want to feel their age and shit, boring dates are depressing. If going to McDonalds and hanging about like a homeless person is your idea of a fun time, you have issues. Seriously, do something that shows that you're more than a half-dead consumerist pig which works just to eat more slop.

 

[Qonas]

Again, you can convince any 30-40 year old woman to go to a burger joint and visit the park/beach with you because it's the ultimate low-effort date idea for the nearly elderly.

No, we can not. If things were that easy there'd be no problem. Women's standards for men have skyrocketed, and their acceptable methods for men to approach them have been reduced to zero.

 

[Rodeo Roadrunner]

Generally, say one sentence for every four sentences she writes.

Bad advice imo. PUA tier advice where every social interaction is a zero sum game and you have to play mind games to win a social interaction.
Rest of your post I mostly agree with.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

PUA tier advice where every social interaction is a zero sum game and you have to play mind games to win a social interaction.

IDK anything about PUA tactics. That is simply advice based on the fact that women like to talk, and letting them talk about themselves is what they like most.

 

[YautjaWeeb]

Yeah, but you're bringing up the most retarded and unfitting example to illustrate your point. Again, you can convince any 30-40 year old woman to go to a burger joint and visit the park/beach with you because it's the ultimate low-effort date idea for the nearly elderly. This is not the young, carefree relationship experience that you seem to be nostalgic for.

If you'd propose something that is actually more engaging and interesting than stuffing your gob and laying about, you might have more success as well. Few people want to feel their age and shit, boring dates are depressing. If going to McDonalds and hanging about like a homeless person is your idea of a fun time, you have issues. Seriously, do something that shows that you're more than a half-dead consumerist pig which works just to eat more slop.

What if I want to carefully asses what she orders, how she orders it and how she eats it? Says nearly everything.

Ok but seriously, why do I want to put a huge effort into wearing down a woman in their 40s until I finally discover something worth knowing about them? Setting doesn't matter at all. I just need one slip up. One gush of hormones on her part for whatever phase of the moon and lucky day on the calendar. Maybe in the hours prior she finds out one of her last single friends is getting married... maybe ex husband is tweeting pictures of his new 20 something dickrag and says ok its a bad day and she's ready to make some big mistakes with me.

Like the quote goes you learn more from an hour of play with someone than in a year of conversation. Problem is you don't get to play off the bat in courtship. Maybe she doesn't want your super pressure of a super big date and world tour or whatever. Think of the expectations it'll put on her and if you're tone deaf or she's not that into try-hards then what? Most women in their 40s just want to have a good poop and sleep through the night without waking up.

 

[Bugman's Burden]

If things were that easy there'd be no problem. Women's standards for men have skyrocketed,

I agree. I find that as women age they have higher material demands of men. People on anonymous Internet forums say that older women will settle / just want companionship but in my experience and the guys I know, it doesn’t work like that.

“Just be like a wonderful narcotic that makes her feel young again” lol why didn’t I think of doing that?!

That is simply advice based on the fact that women like to talk, and letting them talk about themselves is what they like most.

If you just let her talk your ear off without bantering / teasing her / giving her a reason to be attracted to you you’ll just end up friendzoned.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

If you just let her talk your ear off without bantering / teasing her / giving her a reason to be attracted to you you’ll just end up friendzoned.

I agree, and that's not the advice I gave.

 

[Masturbator]

I can only give you my anecdotal experience, im 28 years old, never been in a relationship never once had any positive female attention outside of my own family. Multiple jobs ive had, Ive scared people by just existing in the work environment. My last job my boss sat me down and told me she received complaints that I was scaring the patients and employees. This was a hospice setting. I was diagnosed a sperg in my teens and I never really was socially competent to begin with so that doesnt help any. I finally learned to read the writing on the wall. Im simply not acceptable enough to exist in a normal human society and therefore this part of my families bloodline will die with me.

do ya do stuff like art or otherwise self esque expressions? bitches dig weird boys in these circles

 

[Celestial Peace]

Few people want to feel their age and shit, boring dates are depressing. If going to McDonalds and hanging about like a homeless person is your idea of a fun time, you have issues. Seriously, do something that shows that you're more than a half-dead consumerist pig which works just to eat more slop.

For some reason your rant reminds me of BPD people trying to justify why they live the way they do. Lots of addiction to adrenaline and drama.

And they feel bothered when people just want to slow down.

im 28 years old, never been in a relationship never once had any positive female attention outside of my own family

Let me tell you something, man: Quit fretting over this. And I say this for a good reason.

No, you won't find anyone, forget it. You've been single for too long you already got used to it even if unconsciously so. Those who have partners mostly have the "know how" to find one, especially those who have had several partners over the years.

Singledom is something you can get trapped and it's very hard to get rid of if it's been years since you last dated a woman. It's a very strong current to swin against. If you never had a girlfriend in your life then it's nigh impossible you'll ever find one. If you're past 25 years old and you didn't managed to have enough social skills to find a girlfriend it is unlikely you'll learn this now and it is unlikely you'll find someone even if you tried.

Social skills gets stale after a certain age and there's things that get tiring after a while. And women your age onwards won't be patient enough to handle your lack of game so chalk up another reason why you'll hardly find someone.

"Oh, but there's women out there willing to date a +25 y.o. asocial schizoid who never dated." No there isn't. Not even on this forum full of autistic femcels. You'd have a better chance being struck by lightning.

Your lack of relationship experience will be a crimson red flag to any woman who hangs out with you because, suppose you have a date with someone, this will be one of the first things they'll want to know. They want to know how many partners you've had to have an idea of what kind of boyfriend you'll likely be.

If your answer is "zero" then they'll instantly realize you're some weirdo with insufficient social skills and they'll reject you on the spot, though not bluntly. You'll be ghosted next time you try to invite them to another date. You're past your expiration date. That's how society works.

Now, what I really want to tell you is: For the sake of your mental health stop worrying about this because it'll lead you to nowhere.

Getting too worked up on this won't get you a girlfriend. Actually, nothing will. And you have to accept the fact that you'll die alone in order to have peace of mind. Otherwise that'll only make you bitter and unhappy. You already know that you will die alone so the sooner you get used to the idea the better.

And also, and this is something that should be said, relationships won't make you or incels any happier. Suppose you do find someone, spergs and incels will likely be used by a woman who will mentally fuck 'em up.

Weird people will attract weird people. Just have a look at disaster couples like Luna and Matt, Ian and Anisa, Ralph and May and others who have threads on this very forum.

Ever heard of Law of Attraction? If there's any chance a sperg or an incel finds a woman willing to date them, best-case scenario she'll be a gaslighting narcissist and/or a single mom who's looking for someone to play the role the absent father didn't and worst-case scenario she'll a deranged BPD thot. In the end, it's just like it says in Sweet Dreams: "Some of them want to use you, some of them want to get used by you, some of them want to abuse you, some of them want to be abused."

And it will only further strengthen their views on women if confirmation-bias is a thing.

The incels that go postal on society couldn't save themselves from they themselves. The only thing that could be done is admission into an asylum before that and nothing else but identifying a soon-to-be school shooter is very hard unless he issues public threats like a retard.

And this is what would be of you if you keep on getting all worked up on this "girlfriend" thing. Either that or suicide and a thread here. You don't want to be another fucktard who people will laugh at and leave lots of messages on your profile dunking on your deceased ass, do you?

Then you'd get over yourself and marry a sweet girl who had a nice laugh

If said person was an incel (even if incels weren't a thing back then) then this is pure fanfic.

There are plenty of low confidence women out there who are looking for love. They're not hot but they will often be very loyal and loving

>low confidence
>loyal
Nigga, are you smoking crack? First off, a low confidence woman only means a sperg would have ten times the effort to force her outta her shell. And if you know a thing or two about spergs is that they're not the most convincing at making people feel comfortable with them around.

Very unhelpful advice. Firstly, spergs who drink still act like spergs but more so. Secondly, that's on par with saying, "Just be yourself..." - It's useless, non-advice.

This is the kind of advice people want to throw at incels and expect them to stop behaving like incels. Is like telling a pedophile to stop sexualizing children.

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

For some reason your rant reminds me of BPD people trying to justify why they live the way they do. Lots of addiction to adrenaline and drama.

And they feel bothered when people just want to slow down.

Are you in your late teens or early twenties? I'm asking because that's the only common characteristic of people I've encountered who stigmatize drinking or even just having harmless fun as mental illness. Mind you, they too are depressed and overindulge in posting on shitty Internet forums.

There's more to do in life than posting manifestos on Internet forums and going to eat at restaurants. You should partake in life and do stuff that fills you with at least some adrenaline. If you renounce everything that gets your heart pumping, that's not slowing down but rather burying yourself in an early grave. Don't go overboard of course, but leaving every thrilling activity behind and labeling it as "immature behavior" is just as unhealthy.

Edit: @spurggist Never lose hope for improving your life or social situation. Numbness and passive acceptance are the first steps towards misery and suicide.

 

[Ser Prize]

If any one thing can be said to have created the incel problem, it's the internet. Incels are terminally online and wallow in misery at every opportunity - their own, or one another's. They alternate between blaming their own looks for their failure and blaming women for refusing their advances, without realising that what's actually causing the problem is the fact that they spend all their time hooked up to the internet, obsessively strategising how to get laid, rather than just going out and enjoying life.

Incels are the toaster fucker problem with a different coat of paint. Back before the internet, if you couldn't get a date, you'd get mad, people would tell you to grow up, and you'd eventually just chalk it up to a dry period or realise that you were being weird. Then you'd get over yourself and marry a sweet girl who had a nice laugh, which you'd hear a lot because she found your lame jokes funny, and could carry a sheep under each arm. Today, if you can't get a date, you go online and find a bunch of other men who can't find dates, and who tell one another that it's all chad's fault and women are all whores, while obsessively trying to craft your face and body to match an impossible ideal form in the hope of catching a supermodel's eye. All the while you'd spiral ever deeper into angry fixation on the thing you can't have. It's just troonery without the genderwoo, which is why the incel-to-troon pipeline is so powerful.

I'll have to disagree here. Not on the whole point, but on the conclusion. Many times with incels it's assumed that the problem is that their standards are too high and they expect too much. They want the shrieking chinless neckbearded virgin who says a woman's knees aren't the right width and so she's below him. He's a great strawman because he's easy to hate.

But I have many male friends who qualify as incels and I honestly don't see that. I see dudes who are busy with work and/or hobbies and just don't have the mechanism to meet women. The only way to reliably do so these days is through apps, and apps are an absolute dehumanising meat market where male hopes go to die.

40 years ago these friends(and myself, frankly) would be finding these sweet average girls. But we're not anymore. Where are you supposed to look that's still acceptable?

 

[Kiwisee]

Where are you supposed to look that's still acceptable?

Book clubs, farmer’s market, coffee shops, photography clubs, list goes on. They all still exist and tend to mostly attract all sorts of different women; knowledge is the only gatekeeper there. I know plenty of ex-incels who started going to book clubs and were able to find their future wife in less than six months of becoming a reader of classical literature. If you're familiar with titles such as “The Sorrows of Young Werther” and “Moby Dick”, you'll be off to a great start.

But you do bring up an interesting, unsaid point about the death of third spaces in public. There used to be way more options for people to socialize which didn't require being a customer. Malls at one point were an acceptable third space for young people to hang around at, until a lot of malls decided to do away with benches and hangout spaces.

It takes more effort to find local groups that aren't being advertised on the internet. They exist, but you have to be keenly aware of your community to know where to find them.

The death of third spaces correlates with more people turning to social media to make friends. Which in turn has socially stunted at least three generations of people at this point.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

The paper that this claim is derived from (which was conducted by two students and has been pretty heavily criticized lately for their methodology) says that it was 1 man for every 17 women at its worst.

Might be case of massive genocide case in point paraguay during the triple alliance war

In this paper, we examine one of the largest sex ratio shocks in history, the War of the Triple Alliance (1864–1870)

. Some historians posit that up to 90% of Paraguay’s male population died as a result, greatly skewing the sex ratio towards women. While there have been extensive qualitative discussions around both the causes and effects of this disaster, there has not been a systematic quantitative assessment of the war’s legacy.1

shit sometimes is brutal my dude

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268122002591#:~:text=Some%20historians%20posit%20that%20up,assessment%20of%20the%20war's%20legacy.

they are still examining the consenquences of this in various papers

 

[spurggist]

Let me tell you something, man: Quit fretting over this. And I say this for a good reason.

No, you won't find anyone, forget it. You've been single for too long you already got used to it even if unconsciously so. Those who have partners mostly have the "know how" to find one, especially those who have had several partners over the years.

Singledom is something you can get trapped and it's very hard to get rid of if it's been years since you last dated a woman. It's a very strong current to swin against. If you never had a girlfriend in your life then it's nigh impossible you'll ever find one. If you're past 25 years old and you didn't managed to have enough social skills to find a girlfriend it is unlikely you'll learn this now and it is unlikely you'll find someone even if you tried.

Social skills gets stale after a certain age and there's things that get tiring after a while. And women your age onwards won't be patient enough to handle your lack of game so chalk up another reason why you'll hardly find someone.

"Oh, but there's women out there willing to date a +25 y.o. asocial schizoid who never dated." No there isn't. Not even on this forum full of autistic femcels. You'd have a better chance being struck by lightning.

Your lack of relationship experience will be a crimson red flag to any woman who hangs out with you because, suppose you have a date with someone, this will be one of the first things they'll want to know. They want to know how many partners you've had to have an idea of what kind of boyfriend you'll likely be.

If your answer is "zero" then they'll instantly realize you're some weirdo with insufficient social skills and they'll reject you on the spot, though not bluntly. You'll be ghosted next time you try to invite them to another date. You're past your expiration date. That's how society works.

Now, what I really want to tell you is: For the sake of your mental health stop worrying about this because it'll lead you to nowhere.

Getting too worked up on this won't get you a girlfriend. Actually, nothing will. And you have to accept the fact that you'll die alone in order to have peace of mind. Otherwise that'll only make you bitter and unhappy. You already know that you will die alone so the sooner you get used to the idea the better.

And also, and this is something that should be said, relationships won't make you or incels any happier. Suppose you do find someone, spergs and incels will likely be used by a woman who will mentally fuck 'em up.

Weird people will attract weird people. Just have a look at disaster couples like Luna and Matt, Ian and Anisa, Ralph and May and others who have threads on this very forum.

Ever heard of Law of Attraction? If there's any chance a sperg or an incel finds a woman willing to date them, best-case scenario she'll be a gaslighting narcissist and/or a single mom who's looking for someone to play the role the absent father didn't and worst-case scenario she'll a deranged BPD thot. In the end, it's just like it says in Sweet Dreams: "Some of them want to use you, some of them want to get used by you, some of them want to abuse you, some of them want to be abused."

And it will only further strengthen their views on women if confirmation-bias is a thing.

The incels that go postal on society couldn't save themselves from they themselves. The only thing that could be done is admission into an asylum before that and nothing else but identifying a soon-to-be school shooter is very hard unless he issues public threats like a retard.

And this is what would be of you if you keep on getting all worked up on this "girlfriend" thing. Either that or suicide and a thread here. You don't want to be another fucktard who people will laugh at and leave lots of messages on your profile dunking on your deceased ass, do you?

I wholeheartedly agree, I know I have zero chance. I absolutely know im bottom of the barrel, even below the barrel. Trying to fully accept that, to go entirely against ingrained biology is another thing though. Christ I wish I could kill any desires or thoughts about having a relationship, having sex and so on. I know id be so much better off for it. I know at my age women are hopping off the ccc and going onto the settling stage if they settle at all. How can one not be bitter to an extent simply because they had the unfortunate luck to be born unacceptable through no fault of their own. Its not so easily reconciled because you war with constant self loathing and a desire to be something you can never be. Its quite a shitty circle to be caught in. .

 

[spurggist]

Very unhelpful advice. Firstly, spergs who drink still act like spergs but more so. Secondly, that's on par with saying, "Just be yourself..." - It's useless, non-advice.
It's like Freddie Mercury telling an aspiring singer, "Just sing like I do!", or Tiger Woods telling a beginner golfer to "Just make a hole in one every time!"

@spurggist You will almost never meet a woman worthy of a relationship in a bar, so rule that out.
There are plenty of low confidence women out there who are looking for love. They're not hot but they will often be very loyal and loving, if you show they can trust you and rely on you. I recommend you try a lonely hearts type website, where you can chat online with them, without the pressure of meeting IRL.
Find out what her interests are. Find out what she wants in her future. DON'T talk much about yourself. Generally, say one sentence for every four sentences she writes. Don't talk about being a sperg and a social reject - this is off-putting to everyone.

Im the the lowest rung of the ladder though, I doubt id even register to these women who have infinitely more options presented to them on a daily basis than I ever will my entire life. I simply have nothing to offer. I dont have looks, I dont have money, I dont have charisma, I dont have intelligence. Im simply a non-entity.

 

[spurggist]

do ya do stuff like art or otherwise self esque expressions? bitches dig weird boys in these circles

Not really art no, sometimes when I get the motivation I strum a couple notes on guitar then give up, same goes with painting minis.

 

[Safari]

The death of third spaces correlates with more people turning to social media to make friends. Which in turn has socially stunted at least three generations of people at this point.

Much of the death of "third spaces" is illusory, or can be explained by timidity of men.

It's mostly fear. I have noticed this about many of the individuals I know who are "male feminists", but not exclusively. This may apply to a person of any political persuasion, race, or creed. They use performative concern for women as a cover for their own anxiety and lack of courage.

I do not believe that approaching women is nearly as taboo or uncommon as those on social media platforms would like to make it.

Incels live in a prison of their own creation. They do not accept advice if it is given. Any advice will be picked apart and overly scrutinised to justify their own learned helplessness.