Formula 1 Discussion - And favourite driver?

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Seb might be a serial complainer, but he didn't deserve that penalty. Lewis tried to overtake a car struggling for control, he knew the fucking risk. Stewards killed the race. Let them race ffs. Arnoux and Villeneuve Sr. would turn in their graves watching this anaemic shite.
 
The race up until the penalty was great. I'm not a big merc or tifosi type of guy but goddamn the stewards just absolutely robbed Vettel. He deserved to win that race and the FIA just said "wait, ferrari about to win? better give him a penalty. That'll show em".

And Seb choked another win away, though the tifosi will probably blame the FIA for not being Ferrari International assistance for once.

I've never thought I would say this but i sorta miss those days...
 
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I actually believe Seb deserved some level of penalty, but I will freely admit a five second time penalty is not that. He admitted during his crying on team radio he knew Lewis was that close, which in my eyes implies he thought he could have approached it differently - of course, he won't be the one to say that and rightly so.
The grounds upon which they penalised him was weak, I think he did rejoin the track in a manner which could be perceived as dangerous, but I will concede it's difficult to expect someone whose employment is to go as fast as they can and then some to slow up unless to protect their own life. If I were in race direction I would have penalised him on the grounds of leaving the track and gaining an advantage. If he does that in Bahrain, he gets told to slow down a touch so as to not seem like he kept his foot in through the car park of runoff, it he does that in Monaco it's race over.
My view is that since he retained the position after going off the track with Lewis clearly able to carry more speed whilst abiding the track limits - demonstrated by Lewis going to overtake - and as a result of his car sliding again and Lewis having to hit the brakes Lewis lost ground to Seb, the gap dropping from some 7 tenths to 1.7 seconds. Had Seb not left the track and caused Lewis to have to slow down, the fight would have continued and I believe Lewis would have overtaken him in a fair fight.
Regardless of whether or not I think Seb deserved some sort of penalty for that mishap, a five second time penalty certainly isn't that, it completely neutralised the race except for seeing how close Charles could get to pushing his teammate further down into third. If Lewis doesn't brake, both of them go into the wall and their races are run, Seb receives a couple of points on his license and probably a load of bad press for his action, but I think most people would be saying that is fair.
Having watched the Sky UK broadcast, it's clear everyone they had for the broadcast team disagreed with the judgement, but it was only Karun Chandok who was willing to accept the rule is there which the stewards chose to enforce. It is not necessarily a case of bad race direction entirely, I think this incident will prompt a revision of this particular stipulation in the rules, be that changing the definition or the quantifying manners of saying what is more severe than another incident.

Let them race ffs. Arnoux and Villeneuve Sr. would turn in their graves watching this anaemic shite.
I almost entirely agree with this sentiment, despite everything I have said above, however within motorsport we must toe the line between safe(enough) and still entertaining competition. This sort of conversation is currently ongoing surrounding the Isle of Man TT after a young rider died just this week gone. We do need to look at making sure we don't end up in the 60's/70's where it is expected drivers are injured/killed several times in a season, but I also do not want to see it become a boring procession Monaco.
 
Yeah, there was a lot of pissed off fans at the track when that penalty got announced. They knew he wouldn't be able to stretch a 5 second gap and sure enough, Mercedes wins again!

I was seated down in GS46 just after they exit the hairpin to begin the blast down the Casino straight. They weren't bad seats, and it was interesting to watch how the gaps grew with each lap, after 10 laps it was like where is Ricciardo, did he go off?

Glad I went to the race again after last going in 2003, the atmosphere and the experience of being there was great, but the racing for me sucked hard. Its like a fucking chess game instead of an F1 race now.

I went down to the support race paddock prior to the qualifying session on Saturday and that was a blast. Saw the parade of Ferraris coming back in after their race and a lot of the Porsches sitting in their garages.

Good thing you cant have a bad time in Montreal, because I would have been more pissed at the result of yet another Mercedes win. Ferrari/Vettel need to win 3 races in a row just to get back in it a bit. He is 62 points behind Hamilton
now and even with 3 consecutive wins, he's only going to gain 21 points at a minimum and maybe 30 or 35 if he is lucky and Hamilton has a few non-podium finishes. He/Ferrari needs Bottas/Ham to have a few Spain 2016s in a row to give us a championship battle. Highly unlikely! Here is a video of the first lap from my vantage point:
 
Been seeing on Twitter that Max got a 5 seconds penalty today and Leclerc would have won it. If it's true then wow just fucking kill the sport already please. I can't say much more because seriously this is getting me mad on the internet hard.

Edit: apparently I got CNN'ed, the document is fake. No decision yet. Still, it's bullshit that they're even considering.
 
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Max wins, officially.

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Well glad they got that one right. Tremendous race, the rest of the season would be must watch TV if Mercedes didn't exist.
 
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The sport could really need a bit of competition for Mercedes. Currently, the only few seconds of entertainment are right after the start, then everyone just seems to go in circles, reaching the goal almost the same position they had after the start.
Last race saw more action, so that's neat, but I fear that won't last.
Also, I still maintain that Hamilton is overrated.
 
I think they are all driving in a way that maxes the tire life to fit their pit stop strategy. Personally I think since they bring all 3 tire types to each race, they should make it mandatory to have two pit stops and all three tires must be used. Or give up the having to use two types of tires and if someone wants to run softs the whole race then fine, let them. There isn’t a need to go all out every lap anymore. Drive to a delta for first 1/3 of race then pit and do same for last 2/3 of race is way it seems to always be lately.

I don’t know if any of you watch the F2 and F3 races but they have much more excitement and of course not really one dominant team winning 90% of the races.

But they have to do something to give more incentive to the teams and drivers to go balls out from flag to flag. Or equalize the playing field a bit. Bernie wanted artificial sprinklers turned on at random during a race. Which while livening things up,it is way to artificial. Even maybe giving weight penalties, the amount depending on where they finished previous race, or something. I don’t know but it’s a sad state of affairs with the way the “racing” has been for last few years. The big three just outspend everyone else and even a budget cap wouldn’t help much I bet as they would circumvent it somehow.

Just a rant during lunch break. But at least Austria wasn’t another Merc stroll in the park.
 
I'm just going to spoiler all of this because it's a lot, and it'll save you scrolling past it when you inevitably tell me I'm wrong.
I'll just say this, I don't disagree that the sport needs something to make it more interesting - I admit I haven't even watched the French or Austrian grand prix yet and I somewhat don't need care to, I know the result so what does it matter - but I don't think it's something which can be fixed without fundamentally harming what I feel defines the sport unless it is done very slowly (over possibly decades) and things are not the snap decisions which we all sort of would like to see made.

The sport could really need a bit of competition for Mercedes.
I agree entirely, from the perspective of a really casual viewer, however I tend to view it given the history of the sport - in fifteen years time we will look back on this era of Mercedes total dominance in a mostly positive light, they have developed a car which from 2015 until this season has been almost perfect and untouchable throughout that duration and have maintained a rate of development that even with the resources everyone else is pissing into the wind hoping to catch them they've stayed ahead. Yes, Mercedes winning every time doesn't make headlines now, but I don't believe they should be penalised for running the perfect operation in a sport which demands everything you can give thrice over and given that again.

I think they are all driving in a way that maxes the tire life to fit their pit stop strategy.Drive to a delta for first 1/3 of race then pit and do same for last 2/3 of race is way it seems to always be lately.
That is unfortunately what the FIA demanded of Pirelli to produce which is known to be the reason Michelin refused to even feign interest to being the supplier for the sport, and I suspect the reason why Pirelli got the contract over Hankook.

I don’t know if any of you watch the F2 and F3 races but they have much more excitement and of course not really one dominant team winning 90% of the races.
Because I'm sad I've made an effort to watch all the motorsport I can this year, I've been watching domestic French GT4 racing on circuits I thought got turned into amusement parks in 1652, and F1 is desperately unique from all other series, even its feeder series of F2 and 3. What makes almost every other open wheel series completely separate from F1 is the use of spec cars, same noisy parts, same wind moving parts, the difference is entirely the driver and teams operating them, which inherently promotes a better spectacle as it relies wholly upon the better driver proving it and having no real use of the excuse "he was stealing my air" (I'm sounding like Alan Jones).

Bernie wanted artificial sprinklers turned on at random during a race. Which while livening things up,it is way to artificial. Even maybe giving weight penalties, the amount depending on where they finished previous race, or something.
Artificial sprinklers were an off-hand joke, and whilst they would provide some entertainment I'm still too cautious about safety following Bianchi's incident to want to actively send people out in the rain - I will freely admit however that's to a point which is irrational almost entirely.
The FIA should not introduce weight penalties to the sport, it creates different results as we see in touring car racing but those are explicitly branded as entertainment racing, not a world championship - what do we care more about, do we want the sport to become a huge spectacle but lose any tenuous grasp on relevance to road car technology where the best and bravest produce the best cars and drive them much too fast respectively.
Something like BoP/EoT which we have seen in the WEC during the last few years has been excellent especially within the GTE class, however that requires months and months of development on the equation of the cars and no development of the cars themselves, which would lead to it being a series where the teams bring a car in Melbourne and provide an identical car in Abu Dhabi which in my opinion goes against everything about the nature of Formula 1.
 
There's a bizarre situation unfolding with Haas sponsor Rich Energy, manufacturers of an elusive energy drink. They have already lost a copyright dispute with Whyte Bikes over a logo at this point.
This was posted on the 10th of July.

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followed by this on the 11th.

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this was posted today, the 12th.

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The letter itself:

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The Haas cars still have the Rich Energy graphics on their cars today. Finally, an article attempting to make sense of all this.

 

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Meanwhile, Lewis wins again with the help of a rather convenient safety car and Ferrari punched themselves in the dick AGAIN
 

I dunno if it's Haas or Rich Energy that gonna come out of this lolcow worthy. Haas needs to sort it's shit out.

In other news, Silverstone was surprisingly good. Gastly is actually on for for the first time and Sport Pesa is gonna donate quite a bit of money to cancer research thanks to Stroll's overtakes.

All in all a good race.
 
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The new Hockenheim is a lame track when dry but great when wet. That said, this was an excellent race. I won't spoil it to anyone here because this is a must-see one.

I was going to skip it, but saw they had rain. No regrets, a very entertaining race.
 
The new Hockenheim is a lame track when dry but great when wet. That said, this was an excellent race. I won't spoil it to anyone here because this is a must-see one.

Today's race was eventful to say the least but you're right, sanitizing this track by removing the forest straights was an act of vandalism IMHO. I really miss hearing the engines screaming at 18,000rpm blatting down those straights at over 200mph. Those were the glory days of F1 & while I still enjoy it, it's a shadow of what it once was.

 
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Hockenheim was a wonderful 80s like clownshow with nearly half the field crashing.
Lewis getting the full Ferrari experience in a single race was also wonderful. So many things went wrong.

Not to forget, Hulk once again crashed out when he smelled a podium.
 
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