Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Colonel Gaddafi]

I would think he was probably a gay asexual, and cannibalism would be the displaced form of his sexuality, and that he probably mainly killed and ate men.

If I recall correctly Viv said that he’d had sexual encounters with Mimzy while drunk. My experience with repressed gays is that they often become frothing misogynists like our boy Fuentes. Alastor was Viv’s OG husbando, so I personally think part of her reasoning to make him asexual was to keep the fangirls at bay. Otherwise he’d be run of the mill straight.

Edit to save a double post:

On the topic of Creoles, they could literally be just white. A French/Spanish mix is just as Creole as a French/African mix. I’m assuming Alastor has African ancestry, in which it would be impossible for him to have more than a quarter based on Viv’s description.

 

[The tired cat]

Lucifer needed to be an unbothered aryan rebellious demigod messenger; or perhaps a menacing character that would show that he is much greater than a menacing foe, with soft spots. "Your waif left u" speaks the phony, give me a break, the fandom makes Alastor make him seem like he is the one who should swap with Lucifer. But yes, Pride was Lucifer's main source of misery.

The pilot did kinda give the impression that Lucifer was gonna be the antagonist, while Lilith was gonna be a mo supportive character to Charlie.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

The pilot did kinda give the impression that Lucifer was gonna be the antagonist, while Lilith was gonna be a mo supportive character to Charlie.

That unless they make "Lucifer was the villain all along", with a "I was pretending to be retarded" plot. Not sure what they are going for, but let's hope a payout can be good.

 

[The tired cat]

That unless they make "Lucifer was the villain all along", with a "I was pretending to be retarded" plot. Not sure what they are going for, but let's hope a payout can be good.

Eh, I doubt it. Most I think we'll get is how Lucifer DID plan to start a 2nd war, but when Charlie was born he abandoned those ideas, while Roo/Eve never did as she wanted to have revenge on Heaven and Hell at the same time.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

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Where the fuck is that poofy hair and mustache in his demon form? I think Alastor's designs would look leagues better with just those couple of changes.

If I recall correctly Viv said that he’d had sexual encounters with Mimzy while drunk.

Probably because they were going to be an item way back in the day.

Obviously, this was even before the pilot days, so not when Alastor was confirmed to be asexual.

My question is how did these two know each other back when they were alive? Mimzy is a New Yorker who died in the 20s, while Alastor is heavily implied to be from Lousiana and died in the 30s. Mimzy did say he frequent the club where she used to perform, so I guess he could have moved up north. Though now I'm wondering...how the fuck did he get into one of those clubs? Segregation was very much a thing; and while granted there were some clubs that weren't segregated, especially in the Northern states, thay wasn't exactly the most common thing to find. Not for the patrons.

I'm obviously overthinking this. Viv clearly didn't think this whole backstory through and just brought it up as a quick explanation as to how Mimzy and Alastor know each other. Even though it could just be explained that they met up in Hell.

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

My question is how did these two know each other back when they were alive? Mimzy is a New Yorker who died in the 20s, while Alastor is heavily implied to be from Lousiana and died in the 30s. Mimzy did say he frequent the club where she used to perform, so I guess he could have moved up north. Though now I'm wondering...how the fuck did he get into one of those clubs? Segregation was very much a thing; and while granted there were some clubs that weren't segregated, especially in the Northern states, thay wasn't exactly the most common thing to find. Not for the patrons.

I'm obviously overthinking this. Viv clearly didn't think this whole backstory through and just brought it up as a quick explanation as to how Mimzy and Alastor know each other. Even though it could just be explained that they met up in Hell.

Alastor is from New Orleans, which had pretty lax laws when it came to Creoles in nightclubs even during Jim Crow. Not so much in other places like restaurants and public spaces where miscegenation was highly frowned upon. Alastor being ‘high yellow’ would have helped his cause a small amount. Odds are Mimzy would have come south at some point and met him. We have some evidence suggesting this in the leaks. Alastor died in his 40s in 1933, he would have been a contemporary to Mimzy.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Alastor is from New Orleans, which had pretty lax laws when it came to Creoles in nightclubs even during Jim Crow. Not so much in other places like restaurants and public spaces where miscegenation was highly frowned upon. Alastor being ‘high yellow’ would have helped his cause a small amount. Odds are Mimzy would have come south at some point and met him. We have some evidence suggesting this in the leaks. Alastor died in his 40s in 1933, he would have been a contemporary to Mimzy.
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That's a good point. I just automatically thought that it would have to be up in New York since Mimzy said he visited the club frequently that she regularly performed at.

Though, I don't think we can confirm yet that Alastor died in his 40s in 1933. Because that was talked about in the pilot days. And stuff talked about during that time shouldn't be considered canon until we get it in thr actual show itself.

 

[Stumbling7]

Spoiler: meme dumb 59

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Kind of out of the blue, since I was thinking of writing up a full rewrite here but scraped it, I still think Carmilla is one of the most shit characters of Hazbin, for the simple fact she's on paper a ruthless arms dealer but in practice the one thing the show makes it seem like she did bad was trying to cover up the fact angels are vulnerable to their own weaponry. It blindingly obvious who Viv wants you like or dislike.

 

[TheClorax]

Same with Voodoo, another aspect about Alastor that got the Twitter people's panties in a wad.

That was especially stupid because Voodoo’s been a “dark magic plot device” in media for decades.
Chucky the killer doll’s origin has heavy ties to Voodoo. Don’t see any faggoty takes about how Charles Lee Ray needs to be retconned into a black guy get popular. Mostly because Chucky already had an explanation for the Voodoo: Chucky was pals with a witch doctor.
I’m pretty sure Viv just saying, “Alastor knew a guy who taught him a thing or two about Voodoo in life” would have sufficed just fine.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

Kind of out of the blue, since I was thinking of writing up a full rewrite here but scraped it, I still think Carmilla is one of the most shit characters of Hazbin, for the simple fact she's on paper a ruthless arms dealer but in practice the one thing the show makes it seem like she did bad was trying to cover up the fact angels are vulnerable to their own weaponry. It blindingly obvious who Viv wants you like or dislike.

Having an arms dealer is such a shitty idea for hazbin. It's such a cop out because much like what I and many begin to believe is that the angels are straight up braindead. Why would you leave your weapons there? And are they coming down with a shed FULL of weapons? They left so many infact that all of the corpses are littered with spears and enough to make GUNS/BULLETS/DANCER SHOES/ BOMBS/PLAYINGCARDS/SWORDS AND SHEILDS if not more. That's whats crazy is that they leave their stuff there and so much that it's BASICALLY a COMMON resource. That is something you should never have in your story and sucks the tension/build up of this MacGuffin.

This is why making these weaknesses are important, or you get the most retarded writing. One example being Green Lanturns they represent creativity/willpower/spirit a ring that bestows to the wearer nearly unlimited potential for the user. So what's something that can effect this power fear/cowardice (yellow lanturns). Great idea!

But no ACTUAL COLOR YELLOW. What? A yellow room could make them useless, a glass of lemonade/lemons could destroy them, hell a yellow creature could destroy all of them easily.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Having an arms dealer is such a shitty idea for hazbin. It's such a cop out because much like what I and many begin to believe is that the angels are straight up braindead. Why would you leave your weapons there? And are they coming down with a shed FULL of weapons? They left so many infact that all of the corpses are littered with spears and enough to make GUNS/BULLETS/DANCER SHOES/ BOMBS/PLAYINGCARDS/SWORDS AND SHEILDS if not more. That's whats crazy is that they leave their stuff there and so much that it's BASICALLY a COMMON resource. That is something you should never have in your story and sucks the tension/build up of this MacGuffin.

This is why making these weaknesses are important, or you get the most retarded writing. One example being Green Lanturns they represent creativity/willpower/spirit a ring that bestows to the wearer nearly unlimited potential for the user. So what's something that can effect this power fear/cowardice (yellow lanturns). Great idea!

But no ACTUAL COLOR YELLOW. What? A yellow room could make them useless, a glass of lemonade/lemons could destroy them, hell a yellow creature could destroy all of them easily.

Issue is Viv isn't intelligent at all, so she can only write stupid characters, and stupid villians always, without fail, suck.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

Issue is Viv isn't intelligent at all, so she can only write stupid characters, and stupid villians always, without fail, suck.

Untrue, as everyone loves Adam way more than Charlie or a portion of the Hazbin team. She isn't intelligent enough to make the main characters likable because of how lobotomized they are and makes the villians (though retarded in their own right) make them smarter than a portion of the demons.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Kind of out of the blue, since I was thinking of writing up a full rewrite here but scraped it, I still think Carmilla is one of the most shit characters of Hazbin, for the simple fact she's on paper a ruthless arms dealer but in practice the one thing the show makes it seem like she did bad was trying to cover up the fact angels are vulnerable to their own weaponry. It blindingly obvious who Viv wants you like or dislike.

I mean this is a consistent writing flaw Vivzie has because for all she talks about how she loves Bojack Horseman and all these more nuanced shows, she can't write any actual nuance.

Helluva Boss has this problem even worse with the protagonist-centered morality where literal embodiments of sin teach virtues to the main characters to show how they're good people but don't give a damn if anyone else is addicted.

Even her attempts at writing nuance are really dumb like with Octavia and Sera from HB and HH.

Octavia is this teen who for all intents and purposes should hate her father, but Vivzie makes sure its a misunderstanding that will immediately be resolved.

Vivzie likely wanted to tone down the Heaven Bad stuff she originally had and Sera exists to say the execution day stuff is there because of....A SECRET UPRISING that makes no sense between again the points I repeat a lot with magic crystal ball and Lucifer communication, but also if there is a hell uprising that is behind the exterminations, wouldn't it make more sense for the angels to target Overlords, Hellborn, the Deadly Sins, and Goetia rather than lowly sinners

EDIT: Also kinda disagree on the whole Adam is more liked than Charlie idea because he is definitely more liked ITT, but on the wider internet, Charlie is just seen as bland, while people hate Adam for being an "annoying Heaven Bad" villain who lacks nuance

 

[Re(Runner)48]

: Also kinda disagree on the whole Adam is more liked than Charlie idea because he is definitely more liked ITT, but on the wider internet, Charlie is just seen as bland, while people hate Adam for being an "annoying Heaven Bad" villain who lacks nuance

I don't believe so. From what I've seen yes people might think he's annoying or is a standard Vivziepop horny male. But he's a villian who's actually RIGHT. And the people who don't like him because he's a "misogynist/genocider/pervert" is nothing different from any of the other cast who tells us were suppose to love. But Adam's beliefs are correct they are all demons and monsters that SHOULD be killed, they are unredeemable and are disgusting creatures that don't even deserve to be alive again in the afterlife same goes for Lute. Compared to all of the main characters who actively hurt others to get their jollys off without reason. Sure Adam might say some weird shit and be weird to women but compared to someone like AngelDust who does the same thing and WORSE as hes actively touching/groping/physical assaulting male characters/ Husk. Why isn't he called a filthy pig and put in his place for that only ADAM is.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

Having an arms dealer is such a shitty idea for hazbin. It's such a cop out because much like what I and many begin to believe is that the angels are straight up braindead. Why would you leave your weapons there? And are they coming down with a shed FULL of weapons? They left so many infact that all of the corpses are littered with spears and enough to make GUNS/BULLETS/DANCER SHOES/ BOMBS/PLAYINGCARDS/SWORDS AND SHEILDS if not more. That's whats crazy is that they leave their stuff there and so much that it's BASICALLY a COMMON resource. That is something you should never have in your story and sucks the tension/build up of this MacGuffin.

This is why making these weaknesses are important, or you get the most retarded writing. One example being Green Lanturns they represent creativity/willpower/spirit a ring that bestows to the wearer nearly unlimited potential for the user. So what's something that can effect this power fear/cowardice (yellow lanturns). Great idea!

But no ACTUAL COLOR YELLOW. What? A yellow room could make them useless, a glass of lemonade/lemons could destroy them, hell a yellow creature could destroy all of them easily.

I'm intrigued by this, but didn't understand exactly what you meant.

As in, from what I see: exterminators are dumb enough to leave weapons so devils can extract it and make their own? What to make of the mafiosos, Crimson et al? In a force of goodness, I would exterminate worms like these in a heartbeat, not leave them to do musclework to help people like Carmilla.
And the rings of the lanters are to make it - basically - a finite resource?

I don't believe so. From what I've seen yes people might think he's annoying or is a standard Vivziepop horny male. But he's a villian who's actually RIGHT. And the people who don't like him because he's a "misogynist/genocider/pervert" is nothing different from any of the other cast who tells us were suppose to love. But Adam's beliefs are correct they are all demons and monsters that SHOULD be killed, they are unredeemable and are disgusting creatures that don't even deserve to be alive again in the afterlife same goes for Lute. Compared to all of the main characters who actively hurt others to get their jollys off without reason. Sure Adam might say some weird shit and be weird to women but compared to someone like AngelDust who does the same thing and WORSE as hes actively touching/groping/physical assaulting male characters/ Husk. Why isn't he called a filthy pig and put in his place for that only ADAM is.

What actively sucks is that they make Adam a flanderization. I don't imagine anyone can act like this and be taken seriously. Even imagining "Fine, it's a cartoon/fiction", he has too much power and can fuck up if he's just a "dudebro you HAVE TO HATE". By not giving him depth, he has grounds to destroy the story or parts of it.

And I'll reconnect my point again from mafiosos before: I'd love to see Adam fucking smash them (not because I want, but it would boost a reason on WHY EXTERMINATIONS EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE). You get people actively doing work on robbery of classified weaponry and smuggling, and they must be exterminated at once.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I don't believe so. From what I've seen yes people might think he's annoying or is a standard Vivziepop horny male. But he's a villian who's actually RIGHT. And the people who don't like him because he's a "misogynist/genocider/pervert" is nothing different from any of the other cast who tells us were suppose to love. But Adam's beliefs are correct they are all demons and monsters that SHOULD be killed, they are unredeemable and are disgusting creatures that don't even deserve to be alive again in the afterlife same goes for Lute. Compared to all of the main characters who actively hurt others to get their jollys off without reason. Sure Adam might say some weird shit and be weird to women but compared to someone like AngelDust who does the same thing and WORSE as hes actively touching/groping/physical assaulting male characters/ Husk. Why isn't he called a filthy pig and put in his place for that only ADAM is.

Again not really especially cause Adam is lumped in with shit Vivziepop villains. Yeah there is probably a subsection who thinks he's right, but it's not the vast majority.

Its also undermined with how he has no real moral reason because the show just shows him just treating the whole demon killing thing as just like trophy hunting.

Adam would be somewhat justified if the series stuck to the overpopulation crisis or hell if its because Lucifer is not punishing sinners which could even give him a point, but the whole "WE GOTTA STOP A DEMON UPRISING" plot really undermines anything he does, and given the fact the Lilith in Heaven is Eve could probably make it worse.

Angel isn't called a filthy pig because in the defense, the bar is very low to be an upstanding person in Hell but Adam is the first man who is supposed to be a major echelon of Heaven yet he's a gluttonous, slovenly, horny manchild who just enjoys slaughtering souls for fun.

Not to mention within the show, no one has any idea what gets anyone to Heaven or Hell kinda blurs the line on who deserves it without just imposing how Hell works from other sources, which don't really apply to Hazbin's retarded worldbuilding.

Now let me go on a tangent because, its funny how Vivzie retconned the motive for exterminations from the more understandable "overpopulation crisis" to cull sinners to "Stopping Lucifer from having a Demon Uprising" when like it gets stupid when you learn that Hellborn are exempt from being killed yet ironically HELLBORN ARE MORE LIKELY TO START DEMONIC UPRISINGS THANKS TO DEMONS LIKE THESE TWO



Reminder that Asmodeus literally has crystals given to Hellborn demons which the ones we've seen with them have coerced teenagers into drug trading, seduce (and presumably raped) a bunch of regular ass humans, and run a business where pissed off dead people can hire hitmen to murder targets for very petty reasons like disagreeing on online shipping discourse with a lot of casualties being killed during these hits that weren't originally the target.

Stolas given the pilot and the show has a grimoire which allows him to go the human world where he has been shown multiple times to meddle in human affairs.

tl;dr Adam while he is a fun villain, really has no moral highground from there being no clue on how people go to Heaven/Hell, him being more sinful than some of the sinners, and especially with the retconning for why the exterminations happen from overpopulation (pilot) to uprising prevention (tv show) when the actual ones capable of causing an uprising are exempt from being killed.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

But Adam's beliefs are correct they are all demons and monsters that SHOULD be killed, they are unredeemable and are disgusting creatures that don't even deserve to be alive again in the afterlife same goes for Lute. Compared to all of the main characters who actively hurt others to get their jollys off without reason. Sure Adam might say some weird shit and be weird to women but compared to someone like AngelDust who does the same thing and WORSE as hes actively touching/groping/physical assaulting male characters/ Husk. Why isn't he called a filthy pig and put in his place for that only ADAM is.

I could see the argument against the exterminations if there were more characters like Pentious, as much as I'm not a fan with his leaked backstory I'm for the most part fine with it being one sin that landed him in Hell, and how it can easily be argued someone like him doesn't deserve eternal damnation, much less being exterminated. The issue is that every other major Sinner character is a confirmed serial killer who actively sought out and made a deal with a demon for power, a mobster who at the very least helped dispose of a body or two, a former Overlord who gambled people's souls away but has no real info on his Human life, and an absolute psychopath who 100% killed someone in life.

So yeah, I'll spare my pity, especially since most of them don't really show much regrets.

 

[Rakdos92]

Vivzie said he's "half-Creole" which in itself is meaningless, and she only went down this path when Twitter dumbfucks said Alastor couldn't be white because he offered to make Jambalaya, apparently unaware that it was the fucking white-ass cracker Cajuns that developed the dish in the first place.

Hate that bullshit, with niggers and minorities going "Oh, silly whitey don' suh-sun dey food! Dum-dum crackas needed us to bring taste into their life!" Near all good food was invented by an enterprising white cook in either Europe or the USA. Any moron can deep-fry meat and drown it in spices.

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

Hate that bullshit, with niggers and minorities going "Oh, silly whitey don' suh-sun dey food! Dum-dum crackas needed us to bring taste into their life!" Near all good food was invented by an enterprising white cook in either Europe or the USA. Any moron can deep-fry meat and drown it in spices.

Yeah drives me mad how niggers claim cajun food when it was invented by the swamp frenchies.