🐱 How T2 Destroyed the Terminator Franchise

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Terminator 2: Judgment Day remains one of the most popular movies of all time. When it was released in 1991, James Cameron's sequel to The Terminator was the most expensive movie ever made and was easily the highest-grossing film of that year, as well as the most rented movie after its release on VHS and LaserDisc. But its cultural impact lasted much longer than that single year, as Arnold Schwarzenegger immediately became the leading international movie star for more than a decade, and Cameron continued to dominate the box office with his next three blockbusters True Lies, Titanic and Avatar. This cultural behemoth seems like an incredible sequel to celebrate if it weren't for one thing: Terminator 2 is the reason the Terminator franchise failed and could never recover.

Coming out seven years after the first film, Terminator 2 at first seems like a worthy next step in the franchise. With its mix of returning characters and new faces, bigger action set pieces and an upgraded villain thanks to a super slick CGI, the sequel seems to check off all the right boxes. Yet, there are some truly embarrassing changes that not only undermine the effectiveness of the film itself but ultimately derail a franchise before it even had time to get started.

Brutal Horror Film Becomes a Confused Heist Movie in Terminator 2​

The most noticeable and overarching shift between the two films is the wild departure in tone and pacing. 1984's The Terminator is still a paragon of filmmaking, with its tight structure, memorable scenes and perfect performances, from Schwarzenegger's near-silent menace as the T-800 to Linda Hamilton's sincere desperation and courage as Sarah Connor. There's not a second of film to cut, with a deliberate pace that successfully ratchets up the tension all the way to the final scene, as even the interludes of calm are underscored by the T-800's invincible horror that's lurking on the periphery.

Terminator 2 abandons all of that, with a tone that's hard to pin down and a pace that messily flows in starts and stops. Especially with an opening that mirrors the first film -- a pair of time travelers from the future sent to either protect or destroy a person in the present -- Terminator 2sets up a sequel that appears to continue the energy from the first, only to give audiences something entirely different. That's not to say all sequels must stay true to the original, as there are many wonderful examples of follow-ups that undermine an audience's expectations, but the problem with Terminator 2 is that this departure from tone doesn't connect with the franchise as a whole, a change as jarring as it is ineffective.

The plot of Terminator 2 is simple enough to outline in a single sentence, yet its nearly two-and-a-half-hour runtime is loaded with unneeded voice-overs and a plot that can't decide who its main character is or whether it's a heist film, action movie, family drama or buddy comedy. The best element of Terminator 2 is the introduction of the T-1000, played with mild and indifferent creepiness by Robert Patrick, but even with actually exciting scenes with this new villain, he fails to deliver in any important way as his presence isn't maintained and his terror is forgotten once he's off-screen. Perhaps after realizing they created something way too powerful, the only option Cameron had was to just exclude him from the plot, as there are entire chunks of Terminator 2where he isn't in the movie at all.

Schwarzenegger Goes From Assassin to Daddy Way Too Fast in Terminator 2​

It's hard to know whether Schwarzenegger's performance in Terminator 2 is just another casualty of the tone and pacing issues or is actually the cause of them, but either way, his transformation from silent killer to goofy step-father is hard to ignore. According to interviews, Schwarzenegger and Cameron were determined to reform the titular character into one of the good guys, both as a response to Schwarzenegger's success as an action hero since the original Terminator movie was released, as well as an opportunity to take a stand on violence. But once again, due to a confused script and an overly violent set of main characters, the gunfights and explosions actually accomplish exactly the opposite, transforming the upsetting and terrifying violence from The Terminator into meaninglessly cool violence in Terminator 2.

Violence aside, the concept of T-800 turning good isn't even a problem. There are some great examples of villains exploring those better aspects of their humanity, as seen in Star Wars' Darth Vader and Avatar: The Last Airbender's Prince Zuko. The problem is that this entire transformation is done off-screen, mentioned only through dialogue and feels entirely unearned. Especially through a marketing campaign that spoiled the twist before audiences even saw the movie, the T-800 undergoes no metaphysical journey but simply appears in Terminator 2 as a lovable, brainless goofball ready to protect an annoying little boy he was previously hellbent on killing. This would be like if Vader was seen immediately onboard the Millennium Falcon at the beginning of The Empire Strikes Back, learning how to say "We're doomed" from C-3P0.

The T-800 asks those childish questions about pain and tears that lazy filmmakers like to include as a stand-in for an actual investigation into what it means to be human, so by the end of Terminator 2, Schwarzenegger's character hasn't completed some existential breakthrough or any actual growth, but simply remains the same heartless machine who now knows how to say "Hasta la vista, baby" and give out high-fives.

Sarah Conner Regresses to a Powerless Mother Archetype in Terminator 2​

One of the strangest phenomena to emerge in the wake of Terminator 2's release was to continue to define this new version of Sarah Connor as a feminist icon. If someone were to superficially glance at the character, the confusion is understandable: in an era of musclebound, gun-toting male heroes, this '90s version of Connor does seem to be a similarly tough woman warrior. However, the story Terminator 2 tells ultimately strips her of that power, a role she thoroughly earned during her first run-in with the T-800 in the '80s.

The Terminator is a perfect horror movie that uses its unsettling mix of practical gore effects and unpleasant violence to explore modern America through a feminist lens. The film's use of casual sexism, even before Sarah confronts the Terminator, displays a world where the T-800 isn't some new expression of violence but rather a more extreme version of the misogyny that already exists. Even the men who are there to protect her are threatening and dismissive toward her, hardly the heroes anyone would expect. By the end of The Terminator, all the men die, failing to protect her and allowing Sarah to learn that she can save herself.

The Sarah that emerges in Terminator 2 is entirely removed from the strong woman that ended the original film. Yes, she's ripped, shoots guns and even does pull-ups, but the story Cameron tells this time is overwhelmingly regressive. In one of her rare moments of action after teaming up with her son and the recoded T-800, she is unable to go through with the plan and breaks down sobbing while consoled and directed by her teenage son. And at the very end, taking place in a factory that is eerily similar to the ending location of the first film, Sarah Connor is powerless against the T-1000 and must be saved by the men in her life while all she can do is meekly protect her son.

Terminator 2 Left the Franchise Trapped With Nowhere to Go​

Terminator 2 is a confused movie, supposedly a condemnation of male violence that makes that very thing cool and fun, and supposedly about the creative power of women with a main female character who is powerless on her own requiring an entourage of men to save her. But since Terminator 2 was wildly successful, the trajectory of the franchise was redirected to its themes and characters, making all the subsequent Terminatormovies judged on those grounds. Both Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines and Terminator Salvationexplore these similar ideas of machines with human feelings and underprepared heroes with a nuance absent from Terminator 2, yet both films are overly criticized and underappreciated simply because they are not Terminator 2.

People often have fond memories of the movies they watched as kids, and Terminator 2 certainly holds a special place in the minds of gen x and millennials, those born amidst the burgeoning heyday of home video, as well as the dawn of a new era of CGI-focused special effects. But in the 30 years since its release -- especially after the MCU, Star Wars and other franchises brought the concept of worldbuilding to the mainstream as a legitimate way to tell a story -- Terminator 2 now feels truly tragic when juxtaposed against everything that worked in The Terminator.
 
I don't think this person ever watched the movie, or only saw parts of it. The first scene with Sarah Conner is her doing pull-ups in her room, she then says hi to the doctor and asks him about his knee, which he goes on to explain she atracked him; in fact she has a bit of a reputation of being combative with the staff. In fact about a third of the movie's runtime is her in the mental ward; where she fights the orderlies and damn near escapes on her own, till she sees Arnold, freaks out and runs back to her captors. Other parts have her being shot at, stabbed, and otherwise doing badass action stuff. Meanwhile all she did in the first movie was run for her life and let everyone around her commit violence.

The only crime of T2 is being such a good movie; it peaked, it can only go downhill from there. If it was a videogame, the next one would be in space, because that's the natural progression to up the stakes.
T2 was like Aliens: the perfect sequel, it at once eclipses the first, and, makes anything after it impossible to equal or surpass. You're better off not trying.
 
I see the lefty journoshits are so fed up with people pointing out that we had a great strong female character everyone loves with Sarah Connor that they've decided to just claim, absent of evidence, that she was a bad character and no one liked her. Bold move but OK. I assume this faggot's next target will be Aliens. It's got all the same hallmarks: Beloved sequel to a horror oriented movie that leans more to action, strong female lead but doesn't completely emasculate the men, even both directed by Cameron.
 
T2 should have ended the series. Too many franchises go on and on and on chasing dollars. Eventually you lose interest and you shop caring about "Huge Franchise Movie #12". I can't even count how many franchises I've cut off because I could go three lifetimes without wanting to see another entry.
Let's not even get into the perpetual shit-flinging machine that's capeshit films.
 
The Sarah that emerges in Terminator 2 is entirely removed from the strong woman that ended the original film.
I dunno she looked pretty strong at the end of T2 but then again I did actually watch the fucking movie
 
The writer is probably a self-identified communist who can't see the irony in shilling for uncontrolled capitalism in movie franchises endlessly going on.


Terminator is simply a concept which told its story. The franchise has failed because no one was ever able to come up with a new story that wasn't burdened by trying to be what the first couple of films were.

The best attempt was Salvation but they lacked the balls to fully commit.

Scrap that, best attempt was the TV show.

The world of the franchise can tell other stories, it was ruined by trying to constantly retell the same story.
 
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The best attempt was Salvation but they lacked the balls to fully commit.
Salvation is one of those weird pictures where even if in the end it's a bad movie, there are huge chunks of a good movie in it. Loved the grungy washed-out look, loved a lot of the action, then when it turns into people running around an IBM factory yelling after each other for like half an hour it just runs right out of gas.

Meanwhile it's a hoot to see this goober miss the whole point of Sarah Connor's arc in Terminator 2. Yes, she can't out-Terminator the Terminator. That's the message! The whole deal! That being a mother who protects her son is ultimately more powerful than turning herself into an emotionless killing machine. It's even cooler when you see it as Cameron building on what he had to say with Ellen Ripley in Aliens.
 
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Terminator 2 Left the Franchise Trapped With Nowhere to Go​


No, it ended the franchise. It was a great ending, and then they fucked it up because MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!!!

And now the series is unnecessarily complicated.

This is one thing I'll give the Japanese, they will actually end things. Sure, some things are serialized and go on forever, but they were meant to. In America, you can't do that, because we have to wring all possible value out of a property before it gracelessly expires. How many TV series have a good 3-4 seasons, but get double that and suffer for it?
You can actually credit the Japanese with a lot of stuff, which is why their anime films, despite being a small country, are reaching top box-office status and why manga is outselling American comics.
 
I am one of the very rare beings who actually enjoyed T3. I'm not saying it was good or bad, only that it was ok and not as terrible as some make it be. Sure, you can say it's not necessary for the franchise, but then, someone had to send the Ts back in time and for that to happen, Judgement Day still needed to happen despite the events of T2.

Sarah Conner Regresses to a Powerless Mother Archetype in Terminator 2​

What a shallow way to interpret the movie.

Watch again John commenting on how disconnected he's from his mother because he considered her insane. And he might have been correct. At some point, she lost herself so much she needed to be put in a mental institution, leaving John vulnerable to be killed by not only a Terminator, but even some hobo with good luck. And even if she hadn't been locked up, it was clear John didn't want to be close to Sarah because he thought all things she said about the future were lies or hallucinations. And, from his point of view, he wasn't wrong. Even Sarah's preference for partner were about preparing Connor for his fate. He's had to live with that burden since he was a kid and wasn't able to have a normal childhood.

All the "badass" things Sarah was doing caused her and John to grow apart and hurt him.

When she decides to not killing that scientist, it's Sarah accepting that she is human and her prime motivation should be not just physically protecting Connor, but also shaping him into a good person who will become a good leader for humanity in a war against machines. How could she do that if she was doing exactly what the first Terminator did: target someone for a "crime" they haven't yet committed.

At the point t2 came out, Star Wars was only a trilogy. There wasn’t some entertainment machine vomiting up nostalgia consoomer porn. Of course James Cameron didn’t have the foresight to plan a franchise lol
There were some sequels back them: Karate Kid, Back to the Future, Letal Weapon. I don't think it wasn't for not having the foresight to do it, it was more like he didn't care.
 
There were some sequels back them: Karate Kid, Back to the Future, Letal Weapon. I don't think it wasn't for not having the foresight to do it, it was more like he didn't care.
Yeah definitely not like now
 
The problem is that this entire transformation is done off-screen, mentioned only through dialogue and feels entirely unearned.
This was amended in the extended release version, and he's only technically right that its initial removal was shitty because it's one of my favorite scenes in the movie. It really does a great job in establishing the characters.

The T-800 was only up until that scene just programmed to protect John Connor obey his directions, he's a subserviant doting AI like your Alexa or Siri. He only saves Sarah Connor because John orders it.

So then they put on his learning function so the T-800 can be a better human. So now the T-800 has independence. And that leads to the crescendo of the movie where the T-800 sacrifices himself, he rebukes John's command to not destroy himself. The T-800 exits evoking the end to "Shane" and it simply is one of the greatest endings in film. It gives the optimistic message that our technology can hopefully embody the greatest fundamentals of the human goodness to die for something greater than yourself.

But anyway the only thing worth nitpicking T2 for is when the T-800 "nonlethally" takes out a squad of SWAT officers. He's shooting a .45 ACP into those guys legs they would fucking die from the bloodloss. But I guess it's the thought that counts?

Also we did get one more good sequel, T2:3D at the Universal Studios. That was a great show and directed by Cameron.
 
What a shallow way to interpret the movie.

Watch again John commenting on how disconnected he's from his mother because he considered her insane. And he might have been correct. At some point, she lost herself so much she needed to be put in a mental institution, leaving John vulnerable to be killed by not only a Terminator, but even some hobo with good luck. And even if she hadn't been locked up, it was clear John didn't want to be close to Sarah because he thought all things she said about the future were lies or hallucinations. And, from his point of view, he wasn't wrong. Even Sarah's preference for partner were about preparing Connor for his fate. He's had to live with that burden since he was a kid and wasn't able to have a normal childhood.

All the "badass" things Sarah was doing caused her and John to grow apart and hurt him.
Obviously not intended by Cameron, but what you just wrote made me thunk. The movie could be interpreted as an anti-feminist screed in this manner. Bear with me, but this would have been a better article idea (which I also don't believe) rather than the stupidity of the article.

Mom is afraid of a future and reality where a bunch of robots (let's just call them men) are in control. She tries to raise her son to fight against it, in her BPD brain she KNOWS she's right that her son will be the salvation of humanity (aka women). To that end, she fucks her son up, coasts from man to man, and is emotionally distant and co-dependent with her only child as a single mother who spends time in mental institutions.

Anti-science mom realizes the true science of wahmenness and cries instead of killing dangerous black man.

Effeminate robot (aka soyboy T-1000) causes problems for her and her son.

Ultimately, her son teaches a robot (aka man) how to cry, hence bringing him into the BPD Borg before he is terminated and no longer a possible threat.

Feminist catharsis.

Of course, I don't buy that. Sara Connor was absolutely kick ass, but that article premise could at least be made presentable.
 
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Oh, I beg your pardon, it seems that "journo_faggot.exe" is utter shit and I'm not planning to buy this bull.

T2 was just a bit ahead of it's time. Great movie, with great story and character flow. Anyone calling this film "a movie that killed the franchise because how godawful it is" deserve to become a living toiled for metal bastards' acidic piss.
 
I don't agree that it's the high mark, but I do love that show. I'm happy with either it or the game Terminator: Resistance serving as T3.

This man is correct, Terminator: Resistance is in fact the real T3. It's a genuinely fun game that blows everything else made after T2 except maybe the show completely and utterly out of the water. It's not a perfect game, but it's a damn good Terminator sequel.
 
This man is correct, Terminator: Resistance is in fact the real T3. It's a genuinely fun game that blows everything else made after T2 except maybe the show completely and utterly out of the water. It's not a perfect game, but it's a damn good Terminator sequel.
My fingers are crossed that the Robocop game surpasses Resistance. God if anything we needed decent sequels to Robocop.
 
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The Japanese have made Pachinko machines of pretty much every franchise you can think of, including Terminator 2. They don't mean no harm by it.
Konami sucks for abandoning normal video games to simply bathe in the profits of pachinko licensing in their own country. Given the opportunity, I don't think many people would say pachinko is bad or unfun, but then again a lot of people will say pinball sucks for one reason or another and I wish death upon these infidels.
 
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Obviously not intended by Cameron, but what you just wrote made me thunk. The movie could be interpreted as an anti-feminist screed in this manner. Bear with me, but this would have been a better article idea (which I also don't believe) rather than the stupidity of the article.

Mom is afraid of a future and reality where a bunch of robots (let's just call them men) are in control. She tries to raise her son to fight against it, in her BPD brain she KNOWS she's right that her son will be the salvation of humanity (aka women). To that end, she fucks her son up, coasts from man to man, and is emotionally distant and co-dependent with her only child as a single mother who spends time in mental institutions.

Anti-science mom realizes the true science of wahmenness and cries instead of killing dangerous black man.

Effeminate robot (aka soyboy T-1000) causes problems for her and her son.

Ultimately, her son teaches a robot (aka man) how to cry, hence bringing him into the BPD Borg before he is terminated and no longer a possible threat.

Feminist catharsis.

Of course, I don't buy that. Sara Connor was absolutely kick ass, but that article premise could at least be made presentable.
Well, you're not wrong about being a subtle anti-feminist movie already. Sarah's a woman who rejects her motherhood and, by consequence, her own humanity. As "badass" as she is, her main purpose isn't be a protector (that's the Terminator's job), but a mother. A mother who teaches her son badass stuff, but a mother nevertheless. She is not. She scolds John for worrying about her sake. She doesn't see John as a child or a person, she sees him as a project.

When she decides not to kill Science guy, it's the most human you see her. Before that, she's basically a robot. Once she cries with John and starts acting like a loving mother, she's human again. And she even mentions how women create, while men destroys. She points out women know what is to create life and carries it, while men will never know that.

I don't know enough of the franchise to know if this is in purpose, but Sarah's an allegoric figure of the Virgin Mary, at least in T1. She's announced she will be the mother of the future saviour and she accepts her role. Of course, the story is more mundane, but the "angel" that comes to announce her fate is the man who also gets her pregnant, making her pregnancy a bit supernatural indeed because it comes from the source that sent the "angel" (the future). Eventually, John meets his father in the "future" as well, as Jesus reunites with his father in Heaven.
 
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