ITT We argue about how fatties get fat, why they stay fat, and what they should do instead - It's a mystery! It's an obesity sperging containment thread!

[Sylvia Plath]

And, we're back.
Chantal always has plans when she's stuffed with food.
While stuffing herself, she will tell you these plans & they all involve her being a desirable, healthy, traveling 120 pound beauty.
Yes, she will talk about this as if it's a reality all while shoving food down her throat.
The more she eats, the more her fantasies grow.
This time.
This time she'll do it.
She'll show you haters.
King.
Just one more fast food meal.
Just one more & then I can stop.

Anyone who’s ever watched the A&E series “Intervention” knows that if an addict shows up to their intervention high, they’re likely to accept going to rehab.
It’s the addicts who arrive at their interventions jonesing who flat-out refuse treatment. A few even go so far as to promise to go to rehab if they can go use one more time.

No addict experiencing withdrawals is in a mind frame to say to themselves “This is bullshit... I need to make some changes.”
An addict in withdrawals is focused on one task: GET, USE, FEEL BETTER.

 

[TyroneCoalburn]

The 'im not perfect you guise' is just the classic deathfattalk. Because when you're dieting, its always 1000% dieting and when you screw up just once you might as well ditch it all. Since there's only perfect or nothing.

Another one: did you know fat people are all Aristotelians? Since they believe in mind-body-dualism so much. Its not 'I fucked up', no no, 'I LET MYSELF fuck up'. Its not 'I craved this burger', its 'MY BODY craved this burger'. Yeah, they're just passengers on a ship.

 

[draculasestateagent]

The 'im not perfect you guise' is just the classic deathfattalk. Because when you're dieting, its always 1000% dieting and when you screw up just once you might as well ditch it all. Since there's only perfect or nothing.

Another one: did you know fat people are all Aristotelians? Since they believe in mind-body-dualism so much. Its not 'I fucked up', no no, 'I LET MYSELF fuck up'. Its not 'I craved this burger', its 'MY BODY craved this burger'. Yeah, they're just passengers on a ship.

Deathfats: I am more than just my body

Also deathfats: I'm ruled by my body, it has cravings and likes to eat waaaah

 

[A borscht-on]

I watched "Fast Food Funeral" again (don't judge, I can't be the only one!) and am just puzzled by her obsession / addiction to fast food. Any fast food. McDonald's, BK, KFC, Taco Bell, Arby's, Sonic, all and any of them. Is this a real thing? Alcohol, sure, I can see how someone with alcohol-abuse disorder is so physiologically addicted that anything containing alcohol is game, no matter their choice of tipple. Cooking sherry, hand sanitizer, box wine, doesn't matter, they need that alcohol in their system, or the consequences can be deadly. Drugs, I am no expert on them, but back in the day I knew some speed freaks who would hit up health-food stores for ephedrine, caffeine-based workout stimulants, or even purchase those old Contac-C capsules from the pharmacy and separate the tiny granules for the ones that gave them a speedy high.

But can someone honestly be this hooked on fast food, never mind the source? Christ, just one of those tacos would have done it for me. All that salt and fat, and I'd be good for a long while. I'm no food snob, either, I just don't understand how one can stuff themselves full of such rotten product seven days a week and not want to die. Fat, salt, sugar, I get that they trigger dopamine earthquakes, but after gorging yourself on this shit for more than a day, wouldn't your body and brain crave something fresh and real? Doesn't even have to be a salad (deathfats always think salads are torturous diet foods), but even some hummus and veg? A piece of toast with a soft-boiled egg on it? Rice and beans? Some fucking perogies, even? How the actual fuck can you absolutely need fast food from anywhere, the way Chantal does?

 

[another day another binge]

I think that the mixture of fat, salt and sugar is really addicting. It is the ultimate flavour Chantal tries to put into her homemade meals but she fails miserably. Fast food is addicting. If you weren't exposed to it as a child and a teen, it'll propably be too salty/greasy for you (a lot of older people hate fast food for this reason I think), but if you get used to it, you'll get cravings for whopper or mcnuggets from time to time

 

[shameful existence]

Last binge is worse than last pack of cigarettes or last time getting drunk. While one may actually find it easier to not drink the day after getting wasted, it is extremely difficult to go from binging on fast food to clean eating over night. You wake up with your stomach stretched out (impossible to fill up with normal size portions), blood sugar painfully low (headaches), and hangry from the get go. You may even have tiny bits of leftovers around to remind you what pleasure feels like, smell of tacos still lingering in the air, and you're supposed to start your day with a spinach smoothie. More capable people would fail. Chantal has no chance.

 

[deputydogshit]

I think that the mixture of fat, salt and sugar is really addicting. It is the ultimate flavour Chantal tries to put into her homemade meals but she fails miserably. Fast food is addicting. If you weren't exposed to it as a child and a teen, it'll propably be too salty/greasy for you (a lot of older people hate fast food for this reason I think), but if you get used to it, you'll get cravings for whopper or mcnuggets from time to time

Yes, exactly. The stuff is designed to be hyper palatable. The combination of fat/salt/sugar is so perfect that your taste buds get ‘hooked’ on it. After having a lot of fast food, ‘normal’ (read healthy, homemade, wholesome, nutritious, etc) food does not taste nearly as good as it should. The more of the stuff you eat, the more of it you want. Rotten Ronald and the Burger Queen have people like Chantal just where they want them.

 

[Pizza Sloth]

So I found this on the internet:
https://kaynutrition.com/2019/04/why-junk-food-is-so-addictive/
As we eat junk food, the brain neurons pump out more and more dopamine, giving us a feeling of pleasure. When released, dopamine fits into a receptors in the brain, much like a key fits into a lock, and when the fit is right the pleasure is sensed. However, when you consume junk food a strange thing happens; the body’s nervous system curbs the activity of the receptors, a form of protective physiological reaction to an abnormal level of dopamine activity, meaning you need more junk food (to produce more dopamine) to stimulate this same level of reward. So, while eating a chicken breast and salad might stimulate a moderate release of dopamine, eating a pint of ice cream will release massive amounts of dopamine making it seem more rewarding.

The article above puts it into simple term that even Chantal should understand - using the examply why eating a whole plain baked potato is very filling and satiating, while a person can eat a whole bag of potato chips and still crave more...the fat and salt.

This explains the growing portions she consumes -and how her fast food 'orgasms' are much more animated than her healthy or even homecooked meals. However, the thing is she was supposedly reading the book Food Junkies - which explains this. I saw the author of the book on some videos, and basically the way to overcome this type of food addiction is to pretty much avoid sugar, carbs and fast food in general.

If Chantal is going to make another effort, I expect "Addict" "Eating disorder" "Addiction" to be half of her vocabulary as she blames her eating as something that controls her and that she cannot control herself. Same shit, different cycle.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Wow, that crashed and burned quicker then even the biggest skeptic could have guessed. Never change, Chantal.

Honestly I don't get people like that. Like. I get you can gain a lot of weight during bad times. But. At least fucking TRY to loose it. At least go loose a few pounds on the summer vacations. Hit the god damned gym once a week. Diet when you're not going through bad times! It's not that hard to stop being morbidly obese and go back to being regular obese. It gets harder the more you loose 'cause at that point you really need to get used to being healthy. But at least get to the "not insanely immediately dangerous" level. At least do that. If you're overweight, whatever, I mean, it's still a risk factor sometimes but it ain't so bad. MORBID obesity though? Hit. The. Fucking. Cardio. Now.

 

[Cardboard Box Mountain]

I'm surprised more people haven't picked up on this excerpt, it's truly exceptional, even for Chantal.
19:43 - 20:05

"people are saying 'well you didn't listen to your weight loss doctor', I found his weight loss plan very restrictive, like, it was very low carb and I don't believe in that, I think low carbs are important, it was very restrictive, y'know".

Yeah doctor, fuck you! How dare you set a plan for losing weight that involves restricting certain foods, everyone knows you lose weight by eating whatever you like, as much as possible.

It's an outrage! You can't order our kween Chantal to eat 'low carb'? Doesn't he know that she doesn't believe in that? Honestly, what makes that smug prick think he's qualified to make such a decision? Clearly, he got his PHD on the back of cereal box, how else do you explain him forgetting how important the carbs in that family pack of Doritos were?

I, for one, am glad that Chantal decided she was just too proficient in following instructions and needed to "listen her body, y'know", I think that makes perfect sense for someone who claims to have an addiction. Man, I feel sorry for her, dealing with those stupid doctors and their anti-carb propoganda about not inhaling dairy queen sundaes alone in a parking lot.

Edit for typo

mini spergfest incoming.

Cut out the simple carbs. Sugar, white bread, all that crap. The complex carbs in whole fruits and vegetables are useful to your body. Add lean proteins, learn reasonable portions and drink water and bam you're good. If you're too damn fat to do cardio, get some 5 lb weights and lift them sitting down until you have lost enough fat to walk without having a stroke.

Chantal will not do that. It would be "restrictive" and it basically excludes fast food altogether. Never mind avoiding diabetes/massive coronary.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Swole uploaded another response

ETA: can't figure out embedding in my phone.

I don't know much about Swole but I apreciate his job and his message. I never believed in the "oh but loosing weight is so easy" bullshit. It's easy for some, who have a good metabolism. For others it requires more willpower. For some a lot more. And I do know many use metabolism as an excuse. For the fucking record I've seen people with actual metabolic disorders get as thicc as swole so don't come at me with that shit either. Bad metabolism at best excuses being overweight. If you're morbidly obese that is on you. And you NEED to shut your cocksleeve and hit the fucking cardio already.

But point is, yes a bad metabolism can slow down weight loss. I know that one personally and I've seen the effects on others. And even just regular metabolism, it's not fucking easy. Its hard. It's always hard. And that's precisely why gyms are so important. You can do cardio on the beach if you want I prefer it in many ways but a community and having some kinda monitor keeping track help immensely.

And that's also why I say counting day by day is retarded. Aside from the obvious biological deviations some days, there's just times where you're gonna fail. That's just a fact. Every year I fail during exam season, and I recover weight again. Every year during christmass and summer I use the vacations to do far more exercise than regular and loose that recovery and a lot more. I know this isn't the best way to handle it, and so does my monitor. But know what? If it works it works and adapting your routine to this new lifestyle is important so its ok. Because it is, in fact, fucking hard.

But it. Is. Worth it. It reduces anxiety it makes you feel alive again it fucking fixes you in ways most don't understand. So that's why I say I hate when she surrenders, on a basal level, because that's the one thing you should never do. Fail a day? Fine we all do just make sure it's just a day every month or less. Take a break when something that causes too much anxiety comes along? Mark on your calendar the day the break ends, do not change it unless you're forced to by external cause, and get ready for the next round. Give up? Never. Never give up. Never surrender. You can fucking do this. Yes, you, kiwi with weight problems that got here to laugh at this dumb bitch but feel a bit bad when you recognize your own issues, I'm talking to you: you can fucking fix yourself. And you know what? Some days it will feel like you can't. Some day's you'll see another spike up and think you keep trying and failing and trying and failing. But you eill have lost some pounds anyway, maybe not as much as you'd like maybe not as much as you should, but you gained some ground anyway. So pull up your frilly stockings and try again, because you only truly fail when you give up.

Chantal compared her loose skin to medals. I don't look at loose skin. I look at stretch marks. I see stretch marks as scars. Some see scars as a sign of honor others as deformities. Scars are just scars. They remind you you were wounded once. They mark your past. I have learned to love my scars. They don't bring me any honor or merit. But they do remind me how much worse I was, and how much ground I've gained. And when I see them on others at the gym I know they get it. So. Listen to swole on this one. It may be a tough battle but it is worth fighting. And if by some happenstance Chantal is reading this: I really hope by the end of this you are as covered with scars as the rest of us. Because that will mean your wounds have finally healed.

 

[emo goff]

The whole process of eating a ton of food is so exhausting. The lethargy and carb coma, uncomfortable bloat feeling and of course the endless chewing to get to that point.
Yeah food tastes good but I never understand how people can just eat for hours. I'm not talking about food addictions but just plain old overeating.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

shitty diet of science lab chemicals and corn syrup + identity politics against "fat shaming" + modern world lifestyle of driving and sitting all the time = many get fat and stay fat

 

[Wodanaz]

For some reason, Chantal simply does not get the same high from fast food cooked at home like she does when it is from a restaurant. Whether it is because she has conditioned herself mentally to only get excited if it is from Arby's or because food made at home does not have the same amount of salt, fat and carbs, it is hard to say. Like when she goes to visit her family for events, she will eat copious amounts of food but she still needs to hit multiple drive-thrus to get her fix on the way home.

It would be fun if it was possible to try some blind experiments where for example she gets served a plate of homemade fast food and a plate that actually came from a restaurant. She then gets told that the homemade plate came from the restaurant and vice-versa. Her reaction would be interesting.

After watching this Kiana person's video on Chantal, I watched the rest of her shit because she seems reasonably intelligent and I am reasonably uninformed on the science of food and nutrition. This video, I think, explains much of it.
TL;DW, fast food is literally engineered to be as addicting as possible and leaves your stomach very quickly, leaving you wanting more. There are also 72 ingredients in a big mac. Something that I thought would only have five or six. Bun, meat, lettuce, cheese, tomato, pickle, sauce. Seventy two.
Sorry for latefagging, just catching up on chinny.

 

[interalia]

Fast food is cheap and easy. No cooking, no clean up and it’s instant. Mc Donald’s buys on such a vast wholesale scale that eating at McDonalds five times a week is a viable option for poor families.

It didn’t used to be that way, eating out anywhere used to be a bit of a luxury or treat - it was always cheaper to eat at home.

But now many people have never even learned the most basic cooking skills. Whereas two generations ago most women could cook anything from scratch, many women today have no idea how to cook simple things. The rise of pre-packaged dinners to merely heat up in the skillet or oven are the peak of cooking skills for many.

There are only two groups of people who I see with carts full of fresh ingredients at the grocery stores now adays - upper or middle class foodies and immigrant women from other countries who cook everything from scratch just like American women used to forty years ago. The people using food stamps generally have carts of prepackaged processed foods.

ETA;

Child abuse, physical and sexual, was just as bad if not moreso years ago. Physically beating your child to an inch of their life’s was a-okay up until the last thirty years or so. Sexual abuse was prevalent, just not discussed and hushed up more.

The problem is cheap, easy, carb heavy foods. Psychological trauma has plagued people since the beginning of time, but cheap fattening foods is a very recent and new problem among humans.

I also have to eye roll how every show tries to find “the reason” for someone’s obesity or addiction. It’s not that simple and implying some type of abuse or trauma is the entire reason someone ate themselves to 700 lbs is very simplistic and overlooks a fuck-ton of other factors that lead to a dozen men from the Fire dept carrying you out of your trailer.

It sucks how for millennials (and zoomers I guess) ordering delivery food seems to be completely normalized as a way of living rather than a special treat for once in a while. I've always had a pretty skeptical attitude toward restaurants and their effect on food culture. I think in the last 20 years there's been a really negative effect from celebrity chefs and restaurant culture where millennials' idea of "good" food isn't home cooked meals with high quality ingredients (something most of them have zero exposure to) but restaurant dishes designed to be prepared by cooks - that use a wide variety of ingredients (that a restaurant would have on hand), that are mostly prepared as a one shot dish for one customer rather than as a family or community meal, that doesn't facilitate easy leftovers, and that just kind of exists as a standalone meal rather than incorporating itself into the general economy of a home kitchen. This leads them to believe that good food is labour intensive and impractical to make. I think the rapid cycling between different cuisines also in general leads to a spoiled palate which results in more eating out.

 

[The Wokest]

She could lose weight by eating 3 meals a day in fucking fast food places only, but she has to order massive fucking portions or do a tour of every single drive trough picking one item from each place.

If she changes her diet to this meme hippie looking foods she'll be miserable, but the concept of going to mcdonalds eating a burger with fries is blasphemy in her mind. NO she has to order half the menu or nothing.
I know plenty of ppl that are lean even atheistic and eat at mcbastards every single day I mean is not really that bad I think the fries are actually worst than a whole quarter pounder with cheese if you compare them by calories...

 

[Hard-Neutral]

She could loose wight by eating 3 meals a day in fucking fast food places only, but she has to order massive fucking portions or do a tour of every single drive trough picking one item from each place.

If she changes her diet to this meme hippie looking foods she'll be miserable, but the concept of going to mcdonalds eating a burger with fries is blasphemy in her mind. NO she has to order half the menu or nothing.
I know plenty of ppl that are lean even athethic and eat at mcbastards every single day I mean is not really that bad I think the fries are actually worst than a whole quarter pounder with cheese if you compare them by calories...

Yeah, it's funny how many people don't understand that eating less and just riding an exercise bike for 30 minutes a day can ACTUALLY make change. She's always on about how things take time and how nothing comes quickly, if she actually had this mentality she would have lost this weight YEARS ago. But of course, she does not actually follow in the footsteps of someone who believes in this ideology.

 

[NoReturn]

Yeah, it's funny how many people don't understand that eating less and just riding an exercise bike for 30 minutes a day can ACTUALLY make change. She's always on about how things take time and how nothing comes quickly, if she actually had this mentality she would have lost this weight YEARS ago. But of course, she does not actually follow in the footsteps of someone who believes in this ideology.

"Pounds are gained and lost in the kitchen, muscles in the gym."

 

[Bleeding Heart]

I'll say, without trying to powerlevel too much, that anorexics have the whole "plateau and starvation mode" shit down to a lunatic science, in terms of just getting around it. Whole insane ED "diets" are devoted to fucking with your body's metabolism to defeat any plateauing, etc. See the 2-4-6-8-0 diet (200 cal a day, then 400 the next day, then 600, etc, then back to zero, then start over). They take ice-cold baths to give a slight meta boost to themselves. They do cheat days, but not as a way to reward themselves, but as a way to artificially inflate their caloric intake for one day to confuse the body into thinking it's going to be getting more food regularly and jack its metabolism back up.

I don't know how much of that is solid science, but I've seen the results with people, even in people who have fucked up their poor bodies with constant starving. As much as people whine that their bodies are in staaaaaarrrvation moooooode, there are EASY ways to push through that (also crazy ways, as previously mentioned). But there are ways. And i have to think that if it works on people whose bodies are in a constant state of starvation, it is infinitely easier on someone whose body is regularly being massively overfed.

That's exactly what it is, lunatic science. These are the same people discussing whether a multivitamin contains a single calorie or not. Starvation mode means your metabolism slows down significantly, but if you continue eating even less than that, you will keep losing weight. There's no proof that slight changes in your daily intake or occasional “binge days” would affect that in any way. Your body is not that easy to trick. Their metabolism is still slow, they're just eating even less. There's no other way to push through starvation mode other than eating like a normal person, it takes some time for your body to catch up and up the metabolism. That's one reason why people recovering from restrictive eating disorders (or just a crash diet) can gain weight back really fast, even get a bit chubby, and then eventually normalise back down.

Also, which is easier, burning 2000kcal and eating 200kcal less than that, or burning 1000kcal and eating 200kcal less than that? (Rounded numbers just for an example) Just don’t do that shit to yourself. Our bodies react the same way whether you're already slim or morbidly obese. Again, starvation mode doesn’t mean you don’t burn any calories, so if you continue eating less than you burn, you will lose weight, underweight or overweight. But it's much easier to eat 1800kcal while your body is not conserving energy than it is to eat 800kcal while in starvation mode. It's still CICO, just much harder to eat less than what your body is burning when it's trying to conserve energy. When you're over 600lbs, if it's easier for you not to eat anything but nutritional shakes and vitamins under doctor’s supervision, whatever. You'll enter starvation mode but your body can’t shut down everything, so you'll continue losing weight. For normal people, it's not worth it.

 

[nya001]

That's exactly what it is, lunatic science. These are the same people discussing whether a multivitamin contains a single calorie or not. Starvation mode means your metabolism slows down significantly, but if you continue eating even less than that, you will keep losing weight. There's no proof that slight changes in your daily intake or occasional “binge days” would affect that in any way. Your body is not that easy to trick. Their metabolism is still slow, they're just eating even less. There's no other way to push through starvation mode other than eating like a normal person, it takes some time for your body to catch up and up the metabolism. That's one reason why people recovering from restrictive eating disorders (or just a crash diet) can gain weight back really fast, even get a bit chubby, and then eventually normalise back down.

Also, which is easier, burning 2000kcal and eating 200kcal less than that, or burning 1000kcal and eating 200kcal less than that? (Rounded numbers just for an example) Just don’t do that shit to yourself. Our bodies react the same way whether you're already slim or morbidly obese. Again, starvation mode doesn’t mean you don’t burn any calories, so if you continue eating less than you burn, you will lose weight, underweight or overweight. But it's much easier to eat 1800kcal while your body is not conserving energy than it is to eat 800kcal while in starvation mode. It's still CICO, just much harder to eat less than what your body is burning when it's trying to conserve energy. When you're over 600lbs, if it's easier for you not to eat anything but nutritional shakes and vitamins under doctor’s supervision, whatever. You'll enter starvation mode but your body can’t shut down everything, so you'll continue losing weight. For normal people, it's not worth it.

exactly. Without going into very complicated Pubmed articles if your body consumes 1000 kcal and you feed your body 900 the body loses weight. If on top of that you walk, even 30 minutes much better. Then there's medication of course but since many if not all drugs that reduce the appetite can make the pat. addicted or have awful side-effects or are plainly dangerous, they should be used only when the benefits of the drugs outweigh the side effects (e.g. by a doctor).

But you imagine, if somebody weighs 600 lb instead of say 150 lb, each time they move, the heart has to pump as if they are carrying a 350 lb sack. Each time. And - always, sleeping or awake - the heart is trying to pump so that blood gets to all the fat tissue, the skin etc. It's a muscle so with effort it becomes larger.

And roughly the more the heart grows, the less effective it is at pumping (imagine you are squeezing a pump with a capacity of "1" whatever your unit, if the walls get thicker they are harder to squeeze and there is less liquid inside, so you have to pump harder) and this in turn makes it harder to pump, which makes the heart even bigger etc.

But it's "just" eat less and move more, which for many people is hard to do, but at least she could try. If she went to a doctor once a month to lose weight and be less crazy she would be spending much less for emergency blubber surgery imho.