ITT We argue about how fatties get fat, why they stay fat, and what they should do instead - It's a mystery! It's an obesity sperging containment thread!

[ChuckSlaughter]

People get fat from not having aids, not doing drugs or from being @Matthew Moulton

 

[kaiwaii]

I honestly do think that there are other factors to obesity other than overeating. Things like genetics, medications, thyroid issues, other medical issues etc. I don't rule out overeating but I do think that obesity is much more complicated than we think.

Everyone talks about having a good diet but what about the poor? I believe that there is a study that shows that obesity is higher among the poor and being in that class myself, I see it often. Poor people don't have access to fresh fruits and vegetables as more upper middle class people can. Though there seems to be an effort to make food more accessible to the poor, but also many of the poor may be working two jobs and don't have time to cook a nutritious meal. Most are also nutrition ignorant and really may not know where to start. I don't even know. There is so much on the Internet that it is confusing. Also, many can't afford to go to a gym and some live in crime ridden areas that they don't want to walk around.

Sugar, the things said about sugar is true. It is addictive and there was a study that was done that shows that sugar affects the same area in the brain as cocaine does. This probably explains why so many fat people drink or eat so much sugar. Powerleveling here but I am addicted to pop and sugary stuff despite having a strong family link to diabetes and I know I need to stop. It is hard because I love pop when I eat my meals, it is so refreshing and cleansing. I am wondering if tard cum would be better at meals.

I want to be healthier but it is hard as I don't necessarily have the means being on the damn government dole. I will look into what is available. Also, one big thing... and this maybe a problem for a lot of obese people who are thinking of losing weight... is that I need motivation, someone to motivate me.




Ok, sorry about the powerleveling but I hope this gives some clues or insights about why obesity happens and someone who is a small fat.

I disagree. People are not getting heavy because they can not afford fresh vegetables and fruit, I can tell you that most of them have no interest in eating them. We have had community garden programs for years for low income people in my province and it isn't helping.

1 dollar bags of chips disappear off the shelves and a bin of assorted pop tarts will be gone in one day in the more basic grocery stores however.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Probably so, I don't know much about certain medications and the effects it has on the regulation of hunger but I do know that Seroquel does make you crave sugar like crazy, so perhaps there is some disruption or over production of ghrelin, the hormone that makes you hungry, versus leptin, which is the one that makes you full. I think certain foods do mess with those hormones and thus our weight.

Here is a layman explanation of the hormones and weight. It's not really a great one but I think it explains what I am trying to convey: http://www.precisionnutrition.com/leptin-ghrelin-weight-loss There also was a study that showed that obese people have higher than normal ghrelin levels but I can't seem to find that one right now, also the one where those with the FTO genetic mutations crave higher caloric foods.

I actually have a few diet pop brands that I like and I will get those again, also there is something called ICE which is sparkling water, they are expensive and such so I can't really get those but they are delicious.

But still, it's not the hormones making you fat, it's them making you hungry. Which I realize is sort of splitting hairs, but I think it's an important distinction to make. You put the food in your mouth. Of course no one likes to be hungry, but it's still you putting the food in your mouth.

I like Polar Seltzer, you can get a 12 pack down at the Stop and Shop for $1.34, which is 34 cents more than an ICE and 127 more ounces of liquid. Or tap water--just got a cupful and it's delicious. I was going to say it also has the advantage of being fluoridated, but apparently so is soda since it's made from tap water, as I discovered from multiple crazy person websites.

Anyway, plenty of middle income/rich Americans are also fat. Chris Christie makes a 175 grand a year, and look at him. 70% of Americans are overweight or obese. It's partly poverty, but it's clearly a lot more than poverty. Consider the well known fat acceptance chicks--they have plenty of money for Modcloth dresses and makeup, and a lot of them have cushy jobs writing about nothing.

 

[ChuckSlaughter]

Anyway, plenty of middle income/rich Americans are also fat. Chris Christie makes a 175 grand a year,

He look like he probably eats enough top quality food to make anyone fat but then shovels down a whole broke college student's share of shitty food and cheap beer on top of it.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

I agree. Insert offensive New Jersey joke here.

 

[tarni]

small fat

#triggeredbytumblrspeak

Poor people could still, I don't know, maybe eat less? They've been doing it for millenia.

Even diet soda rots your teeth due to the phosphoric and other acids. Try some water.

Not every meal has to be a 'treat', especially if one isn't doing anything all day.

For motivation: get a mirror. If you don't want to change why should other people care.

edit: Compare calories of coke and milk. It will blow your mind!

 

[Barbarella]

People eat the way they are taught to eat. You can come home from work and spend 30 minutes cooking a meal and have everybody sit at the table to eat, poor and tired as you may be, if it's a priority.

Or you can stop and get garbage in line at a fast food place and everybody in the family can eat it in front of screens as they get fat, it that's your background.

Maybe it's where I live, but poor or wealthy, nobody has to go more than a couple miles to a grocery store.

A person can make a pot of turkey spaghetti sauce and turn that into chili and then a pizza or casserole and feed their family 3-5 times on 20 bucks, spending less time than it takes to wait in a fast food line every day. There are people who never drink soda. It is not a requirement. Sugar is not physically addictive-it's just a desire.

Maybe some people don't know how to do it but that doesn't mean a google won't get you there.

Eat fewer calories than your body uses and you will lose weight. It's physics. 100% of people's bodies work that way. There are no diseases that defy physics. It's so simple it's mind blowing to even have to say it.

Does that mean you won't crave things if you aren't used to it? You will. So what?

 

[escapegoat]

Meh, it's calories.

Poor people get fat because being poor is fucking depressing, and sugar is a relatively cheap source of pleasure.

 

[Bees]

People get fat from not having aids, not doing drugs or from being @Matthew Moulton

@Matthew Moulton wears blue weight loss glasses

 

[ChuckSlaughter]

@Matthew Moulton wears blue weight loss glasses

Oh that'll work

 

[ShortPoppy]

I want to be healthier but it is hard as I don't necessarily have the means being on the damn government dole. I will look into what is available. Also, one big thing... and this maybe a problem for a lot of obese people who are thinking of losing weight... is that I need motivation, someone to motivate me.

Like everyone else has said, the bottom line is that people get fat by consuming more energy than they expend. But you do have a point - there are lifestyle factors that make overconsumption easier or harder to achieve, like the culture around food preparation and consumption, among other things.

Let me give a contrasting example ... (Disclaimer: I'm not American, although my country [Australia] is about 66% overweight and doing its best to catch up to USA obesity rates.)
I've never been overweight, but I have always been middle-class. The communities I've grown up in, the schools I went to, the places I've worked have tended to fixate on things like racking up degrees and qualifications, getting into the property market and climbing up corporate ladders.
My point is, if middle-class areas have lower obesity rates, it's not just due to being educated and having money, it's very much part of a general culture of self-improvement, high standards and 'quality' living.
In the places I've lived and worked, there are some fat people, and probably quite a few in the obese range, but they tend to be middle-aged (usually women) and older. Amongst everyone else, recreational marathon runners and cycle commuters aren't uncommon. They tend to be men; on the female side, a lot of younger women are religious about gym routines and eating nutritious food. We also have workplace activities like the 10,000 steps challenge, lunchtime soccer and fun run training groups.
If you asked any of those people why they do what they do, they'd probably say how good it is to be fit and healthy (and it certainly is); but on a subconscious level, they tie their health and fitness into their sense of success and self-worth, as well as future quality of life and achievements. (Also to pump up their egos and make moral issues out of their vanity, but I guess that's another topic.)

So, all my rambling isn't so much about why people get fat, as why richer people tend not to get as fat as poorer people. In some ways it does come down to motivation, a sense of agency and control of your future, and how you define yourself and your purpose. Financial security does help a lot in gaining those things ...
Don't know if that will help you, @Ouija Board , but maybe what would help is a fitness community of some kind. Maybe a meetup group or club in your area, or any online community where people can discuss stuff, post their progress and keep each other accountable. I don't know any to recommend, but if you look around you're sure to find something.

 

[multiverse]

Don't know if that will help you, @Ouija Board , but maybe what would help is a fitness community of some kind.

No one should try to out-exercise a shitty diet. That's not to say that people shouldn't exercise, but by and large the culprit is too many calories. Manage the calories as the primary means of weight control, and exercise as you're able. Too many people make the mistake of thinking weight maintenance or loss is impossible without a gym membership and ALL THE VEGGIES from Whole Foods. It's just simple, depressing math.

What people generally need to break themselves of, is the habit of self medicating with food. Especially foods that hit our primitive sensors for pleasure - salty, sweet, fatty. Corporate food makers have entire labs dedicated to adding shit that makes their products hit as many pleasure centers in the brain as possible, so a consumer might get addicted to the hit. None of this changes the basics of calories in, calories out, but for those who depend on the happiness, calm and comfort they get from eating, it's the hardest thing to break themselves of.

Learning to self soothe or celebrate without the use of food (or drugs, or alcohol) is the hardest step for most people. It doesn't mean you can't ever enjoy food again, just that it won't be your crutch, and driving you. It's almost like some people have to re-learn the act of eating - not taking such massive bites, not shoveling it in as fast as possible, learning to eat only when you actually feel hunger, and learning to stop eating when you stop feeling hungry, rather than when you're so full you feel sick.

 

[The hash slinging slasher]

Dont know if you read my earlier post but I have suggest keto to her (included screenshot of my response to her onyoutube) and fat twat replied and said "she didnt believe in keto" and that keto ruins liver, and then she removed my comment.

Yeah she's doesn't like anyone in her comment section going against what she says/thinks --she deems it as negative. But she's the one that openly talks about her personal life problems and asks for advice from her viewers.

I just don't get it.

 

[Barbarella]

Yeah she's doesn't like anyone in her comment section going against what she says/thinks --she deems it as negative. But she's the one that openly talks about her personal life problems and asks for advice from her viewers.

I just don't get it.

Addicts ask for advice for a different reason than normal people do. We ask for information. They ask for validation.

She'll ask "Hey, everybody likes fast food in a car, am I wrong about that?"

She doesn't want to hear that some of us never eat fast food, in our car or not. She doesn't want to hear about how dangerous fast food is, or how mentally fucked up it is to sneak it in your car. She doesn't even want to hear we don't like a greasy smell in our car.

She wants to hear, "oh girl, yes, I do it all the time. It's totally normal". That way she feels better about herself.

None of her questions, about whether a pizza is a normal meal or whether she ate too much or the best way to lose are not real. They are all, 100% designed to make her feel less abnormal and she'll find the one that gives her the answer she wants and dismiss or get mad at those or aren't supporting her. She doesn't want to know the best diet for her or how it will help, she wants to hear that she's ok eating the way she is.

She'll never listen, unless she really does decide to lose weight, and then she hopefully will take the advice of a dietitian and not put it out for an argument on the internet. If you answer her, even with the best intention, you'll get shot down.

 

[kaiwaii]

There you go Chantal, it's a conspiracy. lol

 

[Henessey]

Interesting video. I always knew something wasn't right with processed foods, but poor Jabba doesn't care. All those sauces she drinks...omg, omg, omg!!!

 

[Gawdamit]

Chantal says she doesn't crave sugar. That's why she was eating a bag of chocolates on livestream

 

[multiverse]

I have a food addiction, I am basically a heroin addiction.

If you ever went to treatment, therapy, or even OA meetings instead of just bitching and moaning all the time about how nothing is your fault - you'd learn tthe first thing they teach you: your addiction is not an excuse to just do whatever you want and throw your hands in the air. It doesnt make you special, and it doesn't absolve you of your actions. You got yourself into your addiction, and it's solely your responsibility to get yourself out. You wont go to OA meetings because no one will pat your hand and agree with you when you start with your "woe as me, I'm an addict, it's all out of my hands!" bullshit.

Put up or shut up with your recovery, whiny narcissistic addicts are a dime a dozen. Recover or don't, dwelling on your failures is boring.

There's plenty of feeders who will literally praise your filmed binges / increase weigh ins, and pay for the pleasure of watching you eat yourself to immobility and death, why not pivot to that? That's something heroin addicts don't have as an option: a whole world of sick fucks who will happily fund your addiction. You're so lazy you can't even addict properly.

 

[JaneThough]

If you ever went to treatment, therapy, or even OA meetings instead of just bitching and moaning all the time about how nothing is your fault - you'd learn tthe first thing they teach you: your addiction is not an excuse to just do whatever you want and throw your hands in the air. It doesnt make you special, and it doesn't absolve you of your actions. You got yourself into your addiction, and it's solely your responsibility to get yourself out. You wont go to OA meetings because no one will pat your hand and agree with you when you start with your "woe as me, I'm an addict, it's all out of my hands!" bullshit.

Put up or shut up with your recovery, whiny narcissistic addicts are a dime a dozen. Recover or don't, dwelling on your failures is boring.

There's plenty of feeders who will literally praise your filmed binges / increase weigh ins, and pay for the pleasure of watching you eat yourself to immobility and death, why not pivot to that? That's something heroin addicts don't have as an option: a whole world of sick fucks who will happily fund your addiction. You're so lazy you can't even addict properly.

Actually, the whole idea behind OA and most 12 steps is that your addiction is not wholly your fault, and you need to turn to a power greater than yourself in order to overcome it. It takes an unbelievable amount of humility to do something like that, and that is what Chantal lacks. There's a big difference between using your addiction as an excuse, which is what she does, and being honest about the fact that you cannot control your addiction and are being controlled by it.

She would benefit SO greatly from a 12 step program, because she exhibits so many of the classic addict attitudes. Same with AL. But neither will, because they know what they're doing, guise, and the fact that they are 400 and 500 lbs respectively proves that they are true weight loss gurus.

 

[Faggot Gift]

Am I the only person who gets triggered whenever people say "weight loss journey". It sounds so fucking pretentious and self-important lol, just put down the fucking cheeseburgers sometime, there you've reached the end of your journey

EDIT: I think the phrasing helps justify people like Chantal and AL b/c they can say "well a JOURNEY has bumps in the road sometimes" ignoring the fact that they're morbidly obese so this is the wrong journey to be going at this point if it has so many bumps