ITT We argue about how fatties get fat, why they stay fat, and what they should do instead - It's a mystery! It's an obesity sperging containment thread!

[Crunchy Leaf]

Also, at least in the US where I've lived, a lot of kids eat trash like pizza, Skittles, potato chips, and a huge chocolate chip cookie with Mountain Dew throughout the school day. The active/athletic ones can sort of get away with it for a while, but the sedentary ones can't, and it's unhealthy any way you look at it.

Throughout the school day? Isn't food banned in schools outside of lunch time? And non-clear beverages, too.

 

[thejackal]

Throughout the school day? Isn't food banned in schools outside of lunch time? And non-clear beverages, too.

No, in fact, schools will often partner with shitty companies like Coca Cola or Pepsico to setup vending machines. They will donate money to the school so some poorer districts find that money hard to turn down. In addition, quite a few HSs will have an "open campus" for older students where they can walk and go grab lunch outside school grounds.

On top of all this you've got recess and PE classes now seen by some moronic parents as "forced exercise" and don't want their child to participate so they don't even burn off the calories like kids have done forever at school.

Shit's fucked up and bullshit. The level of obesity among kids is SHOCKING. Fat kids turn into morbidly obese adults. We're fucked.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

No, in fact, schools will often partner with shitty companies like Coca Cola or Pepsico to setup vending machines. They will donate money to the school so some poorer districts find that money hard to turn down. In addition, quite a few HSs will have an "open campus" for older students where they can walk and go grab lunch outside school grounds.

On top of all this you've got recess and PE classes now seen by some moronic parents as "forced exercise" and don't want their child to participate so they don't even burn off the calories like kids have done forever at school.

Shit's fucked up and bullshit. The level of obesity among kids is SHOCKING. Fat kids turn into morbidly obese adults. We're fucked.

That sucks.
And some schools have gotten rid of recess so they can teach more to the test, too.

 

[rocknrollmartian]

Throughout the school day? Isn't food banned in schools outside of lunch time? And non-clear beverages, too.

No, snacks were allowed by many teachers as long as the kids didn't leave trash behind, and it's not hard to eat a bag of chips or candy between class anyhow. Also, at the schools where students were allowed to leave campus for lunch, they would always get fast food.

Why do you have so much disbelief that many kids eat like shit when left to their own devices? I feel like this is obvious and not at all unusual even though I live in a "healthy" state now. (Edit: I'm not trying to sound like a bitch. I'm just surprised by your surprise.)

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

No, snacks were allowed by many teachers as long as the kids didn't leave trash behind, and it's not hard to eat a bag of chips or candy between class anyhow. Also, at the schools where students were allowed to leave campus for lunch, they would always get fast food.

Why do you have so much disbelief that many kids eat like shit when left to their own devices? I feel like this is obvious and not at all unusual even though I live in a "healthy" state now.

I graduated from high school within the last five years and most of us weren't fat, that's why.
I'm also shocked at this open campus thing, like, allowing 800+ kids to gallivant around the neighborhood at lunchtime seems like a terrible idea, both in the sense of liability issues and because it would be so annoying to all the adults on their lunch breaks.

 

[thejackal]

I graduated from high school within the last five years and most of us weren't fat, that's why.
I'm also shocked at this open campus thing, like, allowing 800+ kids to gallivant around the neighborhood at lunchtime seems like a terrible idea, both in the sense of liability issues and because it would be so annoying to all the adults on their lunch breaks.

Sounds like most of the kids had good parents. Sadly a lot don't however and the schools used to do a decent job of trying to get the fat kids into shape but now you've got parents that will reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee if their kid gets sent home with a BMI report card or note about being a fat fuck and to stop feeding your kid like a barnyard animal.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Sounds like most of the kids had good parents. Sadly a lot don't however and the schools used to do a decent job of trying to get the fat kids into shape but now you've got parents that will reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee if their kid gets sent home with a BMI report card or note about being a fat fuck and to stop feeding your kid like a barnyard animal.

If you read anything from teachers online, they constantly talk about how parents won't accept any responsibility for their kid's behavior at all these days. Even if they have video footage of a kid beating up another kid, the parents will deny it. Part of the childhood obesity problem is parents who won't tell their kids no to junk.

 

[rocknrollmartian]

wait what
do americans seriously ban their kids from eating food at school except for those horrible school cafeteria meals they offer?
sounds dystopian as hell tbh

This rule is different at every school, plus kids are able to bring their own lunches if they don't want the cafeteria food (also, as mentioned, some schools allow students, particularly upperclassmen, to leave campus for lunch).

The quality, vibe, and strictness of schools across the US vary dramatically from district to district, even from school to school within the same district.

 

[thejackal]

wait what
do americans seriously ban their kids from eating food at school except for those horrible school cafeteria meals they offer?
sounds dystopian as hell tbh

seems to be some strange misconceptions here. you can always bring a lunch. this applies from K-12. but for most families packing a lunch everyday gets old so they just use the cafeteria. the cafeteria food usually sucks however so kids will buy candy from the school store or vending machines. usually "eating in class" is on a teacher by teacher basis. some don't mind it, others do. and between classes you can always slam a candy bar or a soda.

 

[bev]

wait what
do americans seriously ban their kids from eating food at school except for those horrible school cafeteria meals they offer?
sounds dystopian as hell tbh

It's an allergy+hygiene thing. The saga of paranoid peanut/gluten moms really changed how schools handle external food items. You can bring your own lunch, but eating/handling food outside the cafeteria or designated areas (like Home Ec rooms) is prohibited. If you have an allergy, you're ostracized to the allergy table. The only time I remember a food item being totally banned was in the early 2000s when some kid's mom thought her daughter was severely allergic to nuts and whatever suckers shared the lunch period with her were prohibited from bringing peanuts or peanut butter. She wasn't, her mom was just nuts herself.

Also kids leave trash everywhere whether it be bc they're so edgy, negligent, or whatever. Tbh, it's not that big of a deal unless kiddo has the beetus.

 

[thejackal]

It's an allergy+hygiene thing. The saga of paranoid peanut/gluten moms really changed how schools handle external food items. You can bring your own lunch, but eating/handling food outside the cafeteria or designated areas (like Home Ec rooms) is prohibited. If you have an allergy, you're ostracized to the allergy table. The only time I remember a food item being totally banned was in the early 2000s when some kid's mom thought her daughter was severely allergic to nuts and whatever suckers shared the lunch period with her were prohibited from bringing peanuts or peanut butter. She wasn't, her mom was just nuts herself.

Also kids leave trash everywhere whether it be bc they're so edgy, negligent, or whatever. Tbh, it's not that big of a deal unless kiddo has the beetus.

christ. and the same venn diagram of retard moms also tends against vaccination. what a time to be alive.

 

[MetalParakeet]

I graduated from high school within the last five years and most of us weren't fat, that's why.
I'm also shocked at this open campus thing, like, allowing 800+ kids to gallivant around the neighborhood at lunchtime seems like a terrible idea, both in the sense of liability issues and because it would be so annoying to all the adults on their lunch breaks.

Wait a few years

Most the people I graduated with weren't fat either. At the most, a few girls had a little chub on them but looked thick and not fat.

But if your high school was anything like mine, they probably made PE mandatory up until grade 11 or so. Plus most high school students have part time jobs on top of spending all day in school, so they're more active than the average adult.

Once they get settled into a full time job, their eating habits will remain the same but their bodies won't and you'll get to enjoy watching all your former classmates literally "blow up" over Facebook

 

[Captain Ahab]

Wait a few years

Most the people I graduated with weren't fat either. At the most, a few girls had a little chub on them but looked thick and not fat.

But if your high school was anything like mine, they probably made PE mandatory up until grade 11 or so. Plus most high school students have part time jobs on top of spending all day in school, so they're more active than the average adult.

Once they get settled into a full time job, their eating habits will remain the same but their bodies won't and you'll get to enjoy watching all your former classmates literally "blow up" over Facebook

It’s fun to watch some of the hot chicks, or as teen movies would call them, plastics, turn into 20-something hambeasts with kids (each one of them a blessing!) and a burgeoning alcohol addiction, and some of the ugly ducklings discover fitness and fashion, turn their lives around, and become hot as fuck. Life’s full of plots twists. Getting married young is a lottery.

 

[MetalParakeet]

It’s fun to watch some of the hot chicks, or as teen movies would call them, plastics, turn into 20-something hambeasts with kids (each one of them a blessing!) and a burgeoning alcohol addiction, and some of the ugly ducklings discover fitness and fashion, turn their lives around, and become hot as fuck. Life’s full of plots twists. Getting married young is a lottery.

It’s fun to watch some of the hot chicks, or as teen movies would call them, plastics, turn into 20-something hambeasts with kids (each one of them a blessing!) and a burgeoning alcohol addiction, and some of the ugly ducklings discover fitness and fashion, turn their lives around, and become hot as fuck. Life’s full of plots twists. Getting married young is a lottery.

You forgot one important feature.

All the chicks that married young and popped off a kid before the age of 25 start selling pyramid schemes. Usually health and fitness based ones, despite looking like they haven't ate a carrot in years

 

[AbraCadaver]

Correct. There is a plumpness that has been considered desirable or "healthy" for millennia and it's not isolated to Africa. Fucking hell, even in western Europe it was considered until VERY recently that a bit of meat on the bones was fortuitous because it signaled that your family had money or means to allow you to be plump. FAT is a different story. Even those beautiful Rubens paintings of fat women don't glorify the absolute gluttony we see know with these bitches. This is not an African or South American or whatever breed we are thing. It was a practical thing. These fucking people really need to bone up on their history, this is just stupid bullshit.

Seriously! The entire point of what’s fashionable and desirable is what the rich are doing. When the rich could afford to stay inside and not labour in the fields all day, being pale was the ideal. Then CoCo Chanel accidentally got a suntan on holiday and that became an in-thing. Rich people can go on holiday to Ibiza and tan while the masses slave away in a flourescent-lit office, getting paler and more sallow. So now tans are in.

Rich white people didn’t have to starve in some serfdom back in the day, but instead had as much as they cared to eat. So being heavier was in. Now most food is processed, calorific rubbish that makes you fat and no one but the well to-do have time to devote to three hours of exercise and sports a day and a pass to a good gym and pilates classes. The rest of us sit in chairs or stand behind a counter for hours on end, then come home and watch the telly and take care of our kids and make dinner because we can’t afford nannies or cooks.

So being thin is in because it shows you have the time and luxury to get a balanced diet and plenty of exercise, not drive through the fast food window on your way home from a ten-hour shift.

It is NOT a black or white or other race thing, it’s an economic thing.

 

[Jhonson Jhonson]

Seriously! The entire point of what’s fashionable and desirable is what the rich are doing. When the rich could afford to stay inside and not labour in the fields all day, being pale was the ideal. Then CoCo Chanel accidentally got a suntan on holiday and that became an in-thing. Rich people can go on holiday to Ibiza and tan while the masses slave away in a flourescent-lit office, getting paler and more sallow. So now tans are in.

Rich white people didn’t have to starve in some serfdom back in the day, but instead had as much as they cared to eat. So being heavier was in. Now most food is processed, calorific rubbish that makes you fat and no one but the well to-do have time to devote to three hours of exercise and sports a day and a pass to a good gym and pilates classes. The rest of us sit in chairs or stand behind a counter for hours on end, then come home and watch the telly and take care of our kids and make dinner because we can’t afford nannies or cooks.

So being thin is in because it shows you have the time and luxury to get a balanced diet and plenty of exercise, not drive through the fast food window on your way home from a ten-hour shift.

It is NOT a black or white or other race thing, it’s an economic thing.

And as always the middle class is bitchy and salty.

 

[AbraCadaver]

And as always the middle class is bitchy and salty.

It is their lot in life, when they’re not too rich to care or too poor to have the energy to care.

 

[easyaf]

if someone their size lost the weight, how involved or complicated is excess skin removal surgery? What's required prior to? Would it be considered cosmetic or necessary?

PL: I had WLS and some skin removal surgery, so I can speak from experience. Mostly skin removal is not covered. Occasionally, if you can prove it's causing damage, some providers will cover a panniculectomy (removal of the hanging part of the stomach) to avoid rashes and skin break down, but it's not a tummy tuck so it doesn't disengage the belly button, so won't remove any shelf above it. Not all provides cover this and it's hard to get approved.

On the whole it's considered cosmetic, and paid for by you. Also, it requires a lot of skin surgery to get close to what you would consider a normal body, It's not just a tummy tuck. You would need an arm lift, probably boob lift and augmentation, back lift, thigh lift, and possibly reverse abdominoplasty (a lift of the upper part of the front, under the boobs). It's a lot of money, pain and recovery time. And even then the results may not be what you imagined, as it assumes all these surgeries will be successful and problem free.

 

[Maw]

Sorry if this might bring us too OT, but I know that when she and amber were considering weight loss surgery, they didnt seriously commit in terms of losing the weight and listening to doctors orders...

if someone their size lost the weight, how involved or complicated is excess skin removal surgery? What's required prior to? Would it be considered cosmetic or necessary?

Im not going to name my former, future, or current career, but I’m very familiar with process for panniculectomy surgeries. (In the US, atleast)

Nearly all BCBS, Humana, UHC, and other large insurance plans will automatically approve a panniculectomy surgery after dramatic weight loss if the doctor diagnoses the patient with back issues caused by excess skin or any issues that can cause a major health risk/shorten length of life (such as compressing of the lungs, a large open wound being present, a hernia that can be affected by the skin drooping, or weighing on the heart). They typically require pictures to be documented as well, but they’re approved generally instantly/quickly.

However if it’s not a life-threatening/very painful issue, it’s not marked as urgent for a quick decision. A case is opened and all doctors notes, photographs, and any records of therapies attempted must be sent to the insurer to determine on a case-by-case basis. The precerter will give all diagnosis codes to the insurer to determine if surgery would improve quality of life beyond a cosmetic change. Surgery could be approved in as little as a week, though in many cases it’s denied. The insurer will instead approve 5-30 units (visits) to physical therapists, dieticians (yes, to lose even more weight first), and other alternatives. Once these are followed through, there can be a stronger case made to the insurer that the skin is causing significant discomfort/risks/issues and isn’t solely a cosmetic issue. This round: the doctor, nurses, referral managers, and precerters include as much information and diagnoses as they can to get the insurer to approve it. If this is also denied, the final step is for the doctor to do what’s called a peer-to-peer call with a doctor from the insurer to make a final case if the doctor strongly believes the panniculectomy is medical necessary.

Though if your on Medicaid: it will typically be months before any approval. Schedulers are aware of this and generally schedule the surgery at least 3 months out. Medicaid in most states always deny the first time it seems. I’ve seen them deny people with massive open wounds that wouldn’t heal due to the skin sag. Medicare is generally the opposite.

 

[Kukkamaaria]

Sorry if this might bring us too OT, but I know that when she and amber were considering weight loss surgery, they didnt seriously commit in terms of losing the weight and listening to doctors orders...

if someone their size lost the weight, how involved or complicated is excess skin removal surgery? What's required prior to? Would it be considered cosmetic or necessary?

In my country fatties who lost the weight are given free skin removal, if it's not cosmetic surgery. That is they get their stomach skin removed and depending of the level of skin hanging also butt, thighs and breasts. Those are areas where the excess skin can cause skin issues and hinders life. Usually areas like arms and chin are considered cosmetic areas and patients are told to go private section where such surgeries are around 3000-5000 dollars.

Process can take some years, first need to get referral from local doctor to plastic surgeon who then makes the decision based on how badly skin is hanging and if the weight lost has been steady and there has been no set backs. Also BMI has to be 30 or lower, but many try to get their BMI to 25 - less fat in skin tissue, better the results. Patient only pays the nights stayed in the hospital, which is around 100 dollars per day plus control visits to doctor which is cheap also, around 40 dollars.

Most common complication is probably internal bleeding from the small blood vessels like mentioned. It can be bad if patient isn't monitored closely. Sometimes it stops on it's own and just causes some extra swelling on the operated area, sometimes it's required to re-open and close the bleeding vessels. Skin itself usually heals pretty easily. If you are a smoker, they won't even do the surgery on you because that might fuck up the healing process.

None of this happens fast, since skin removal surgery isn't life threatening. Waiting lines for such surgeries are 6+ months plus several months of healing after each surgery. So if patient needs 2-4 separate surgeries, it might take several years to get them all done.

Small fatties might have to cry and fight to get the surgery. If stomach skin is just lightly loose, doctor will tell you to piss off. Mega fatties who actually did the hard work and changed their life, will get a full body work.

Edit: Added few words