Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Big Bobs Beepers]

I'm very sorry to say that this happened again, but on an even higher caliber

So for a college graduation ceremony for my little sister, my friend and I flew back to our hometown in Kansas from NYC to be there, and we figured we'd reconnect with a few old friends we hadn't seen in a while while we were there. Now saying that they themselves trooned out would already be bad, but no, it happened to their siblings, 2 of which are minors. The first guy, we'll call him S, is my age, and he's got two little brothers, one of whom is 18, and the other is 12, both of whom I watched grow up back when S and I used to hang out in high school. So me and my friend show up to their house and greet them, and the 18 year old has become a tranny archetype: fat, hunchbacked, dress like a toddler, and speaking in this really irritating falsetto that's nothing short of a mockery of a woman's voice. But being the Kansas boy I am, I don't say anything and just kinda go about my business and catch up S. However, that isn't even the half of it, because then the 12 year old comes into the room wearing a fucking sports bra and no shirt, which honestly made me recoil. The mom then tells the 12 year old to put a shirt on when guests are in the house, and the kid then proceeds to put on a clearly very crappy bootleg Steven Universe hoodie and then starts to tell me and my friend that he's a girl now. But because I wasn't in the mood for a bunch of tranny shrieking, I just told S that it's been good to see him, and my friend and I excused ourselves and left. S later asked us why, and I was very honest with him about how I felt about that whole thing, and he told me that he understood, and that he himself wasn't keen on it. But his mom, who's kind of an old hippie, happily gave them both puberty blockers and later hormones. So me and my friend go out and have a few drinks before we go back to my mom's house where we were crashing for the weekend

Don't worry, it gets worse

The day after is the ceremony itself, and we show up to the event space and mingle with the crowd. So as that's going on, the mom of one of my sister's friends sees me and we start talking about old times. To my mom, she's like family, and they still hang out from time to time even today, so she's watched me grow up as well. And then her daughter, who I remember before she was even born, comes up and says hey to me. I can't remember who it is, and the mom reminds me that it's her daughter, only now she's decided she's a troon and has decided that she wants to be called, and I shit you not, Jester. I'm assuming that she named herself after some faggoty Undertale character knowing that she's only 12 now. The mom then proceeds to tell me that this was a recent occurrence, and that she's since given her daughter the means to transition, despite the fact that she's a fucking nurse and should know damn well that fucking with a kid's natural growth cycle is going to fuck her up for life. While it certainly didn't show on my face, I had to step out for a cig

So anyway, the ceremony comes and goes, and my friend and I are on the plane back to NYC the next morning. We kinda just sat in the silence the entire way home. It's one thing when an adult decides to troon out, but it's horrifying when you hear about people letting kids, who are inherently dumb as shit, make such decisions. The kind of stuff you hear the trannies going on about when you hear them talk about "gender affirming" bullshit is on par with the kind of shit you read about in books about Unit 731 or Nazi doctors conducting on prisoners, and now there's people out there who are saying that kids are perfectly capable of making these kinds decisions. To me, this shit is morally bankrupt and evil as is, and seeing it happen to kids who I know is nothing short of horrifying. I can only hope that either the kids, or the parents themselves will get some perspective into how fucked up this all is in time. But as long as the media and progressive culture keeps gargling tranny cock, I'm not holding my breath

 

[Kiwi No.4989]

I knew this was gonna happen. My friend came out as trans. (And I simultaneously became a kiwi)

I'm not really sure what the situation is like right now because we're more distant than we were before. Just last year when we got together, she came out as bi, then she moved to butt fuck no where all alone, and now she's trans. I really hoped she would stop at dressing like a butch woman, but no, that didn't happen. Like every other case, she's never shown signs of dysphoria and it happened suddenly.

Now for my stupid guilt. My friend has never been interested in anime. Recent years she discovered my gay anime art that I keep to myself and other artist friends. I can only imagine the damage caused onto my normie friend upon consuming my degenerate anime garbage for a prolonged period of time. Did I contribute to my friend thinking she can be a man?

Anyway, I can only hope her sanity remains intact and she doesn't do irreversible things (though I'm somewhat convinced I'm too late), but this is obviously because she dipped into the lgbtq circle while not having the most solid emotional support structure.

Thank you Null for keeping the site up, this is the only place where I can talk about things like this.

 

[Vingle]

Now for my stupid guilt. My friend has never been interested in anime. Recent years she discovered my gay anime art that I keep to myself and other artist friends. I can only imagine the damage caused onto my normie friend upon consuming my degenerate anime garbage for a prolonged period of time. Did I contribute to my friend thinking she can be a man?

No, and key word is that she discovered it. You really can't feel guilt over it, because she would've discovered someone else's art sooner or later.

(Some) Asian girls love gay anime and they don't troon out.

 

[Local Wordmason]

I've had two internet friends troon out and proceed to completely cut contact. It's a shame really, at least for one. He had a good head on his shoulders and he trooned out pre gamergate so there was no hope. Another was a giant assshole that I used to play DOTA with. He still has an Invoker tattoo. hella cringe because he sucked at voker in the first place. He was the kinda dude that would camp mid and jungle for 30 minutes, then bitch that we didn't make enough space and claim every single bounty rune. Then post game he would point at his gpm and xpm and say it wasn't his fault. At the very least I have a very well tuned clock for trannies.

 

[870EVO]

Maybe something to look at. I was watching this. Jordan Peterson talks about a longtime Transgender researcher and how he was basically cancelled. And his findings.

 

[Fapcop]

Maybe something to look at. I was watching this. Jordan Peterson talks about a longtime Transgender researcher and how he was basically cancelled. And his findings.

“You get a sexual kick from dressing up as a woman AND LETS NOT FORGET IT!”

Jordan Peterson spitting truth.

 

[Narcotics]

A good friend of mine got dragged down to the abyss by his ftm girlfriend

I've known this guy, let's call him Mike, for 7 years now, we met playing videogames and he was genuinely a very cool guy, we would spent hours playing together and talking about random shit, we even organized to met in person one day and it was great, he's in his mid 20's now, abusive household, first thing he did when he was 18 was move out with another friend, he had days where he would vent to me his struggles and sadness, i could tell he was going through a bad moment on his life, but i was there to support him.

Until very recently, 2 years ago he met his now gf through discord.

I don't know what happened, but we slowly started to drift apart, he was spending more time with her, which i thought fair enough, he told me before how much he wanted a gf, and now that he had it, i was happy for him.

I met the girl because he invited her to play with us, let's call her Jane, Jane was probably in a worse situation than him, no father, abusive mother, almost homeless, junkie, and god knows what else, and of course, ftm.

This is very personal, but holy fuck did i hate her, she was no fun, we could no longer say edgy jokes and shit when she was around, or else she would get "mad" and leave, leading to Mike also leaving to apologize, She would just talk about how much her life sucked, not a fun person to be around, but i tolerated her just for my friend's sake.

Then it started to happen, Mike was saying how much he hated his own body, he started doing that falsetto voice trannies do, talking more and more about how he started wearing feminine clothes and makeup, and it ended with him coming out to me as a mtf tranny.

I told him that i've known him for 7 entire years, that he was not like that, that Jane put all those ideas in his head, but he went mad, raged at me, called me every -ist and -phobe under the sun, telling me he wasted 7 years of his life talking to him, and that i dare not speak to him again, which i did.

I wished him luck and cut all contact with him, it hurt, because this guy was legitimately one of my best friends, he was always there for me, but he changed and it was clear we were not compatible, i sometimes wonder if he's alright, which i hope he is, but whatever, life goes on.

 

[BeetleBug242]

I tried so hard to stay friends with one of my best friends when he trooned out, made it about a year in with coming to terms he wanted to chop his cock off and I thought he was gonna be rational about wanting an axe wound. This week I made the mistake of mentioning that men and women have biological differences and he absolutely went fucking ape shit on me telling me it was anti trans propaganda. Only thing I did was mention the difference in muscle mass in men post puberty and said that trannies shouldn't be allowed to play women's sports. But you know, worded for the sensitively inclined. Nah, he went ballistic, started trying to bait me into tranny dens to "talk about it" or "potentially enlighten you" and even tried to get me to fight with him on public posts so I'd get swarmed by angry crotch wound regretionists. Didn't fall for it, cut all contact and honestly I'm a bit sad. I know cutting my losses was a good thing but we were really, really close friends for many years.

If they were ever willing to turn on you in the first place the friendship has clearly been one sided. I know the sadness and frustration it brings. Can't be too sad though, I mean you're not the one chopping your dick off.

 

[vomitusdeux]

If they were ever willing to turn on you in the first place the friendship has clearly been one sided. I know the sadness and frustration it brings. Can't be too sad though, I mean you're not the one chopping your dick off.

The ironic thing is, I'm a detransitioner (I thankfully stopped before mutilating myself beyond repair I thankfully have a very normal body still.) when he trooned out, we had a very long conversation about why I thought the whole thing was a bad idea, told him why I detransitioned, that I think the whole movement is a cult that lies. I even tried to tell him to try cross dressing for a while before he injected hormones in to see if he was actually serious to see if he'd change his mind without actually hurting himself, but he instantly went for the hormones and said fuck you to anyone who tried to help. And I knew then and there the friendship wouldn't last but I deluded myself into thinking it would, and that he wouldn't be one of the irrational ones. I'm gutted honestly. The worst part is he guilted his girlfriend into staying despite that she was completely against it and in his words "really unhappy about the decision"

 

[Foxymophandlemama]

I had a friend that I met on the internet because of some mutual tastes. He is 2 years younger than me and we mostly talked about music, specially metal. He was your typical metalhead and for a while he was kinda clingy because he had a crush on me and it pissed me off and we drifted apart but remained friends.
Short amount of time after that he started identifying as NB and wore makeup, which I interpreted as, idk, becoming goth? He would send me texts saying "I miss you, don't know why we aren't talking as much as before".
Then he starts dating this troon and things go downhill. Girl clothes, painting nails, now only refers himself as she. Hates the metal bands he used to love so much. Says he is more comfortable with himself now but all his pictures are edited to hell and back, specially to make his waist to look more feminine. I am just counting the days until he fully troons out, and it breaks my heart because I miss him too. I miss talking about weird metal bands, sending memes and stuff. But that friend doesn't exist anymore, now he only talks about gender special stuff and how oppressed he feels.
I really want to point out how unhappy he looks now, specially compared to when we started talking. How his photo edits are crappy and he looks fine naturally. But I will be called a transphobe.
I was planning to visit him before all that stuff, now I'm gonna spend that money in something more worthy.

 

[Fish Maggot]

I'm rather heartbroken to be writing here after lurking for so long without any deeply personal experiences of the topic. A dear friend of mine has begun the descent into trans-bullshit and I'm devastated.

She is a diagnosed autistic; life has been difficult for her, I'll give her that. She's always been kind of easily influenced by things that she obsesses over. A traditional weeb growing up and watching cartoons in the sphere of 90s anime.
We've never really seen eye to eye (cue autism pun) but I've always been in her corner, and her mine. I'm sad to think that things are different now.

It's started with identifying as "non-binary" which I'm sure some will agree is the diet-tranny-pill. The thing is, she is incredibly feminine, and could not be more femme if she tried. Her interests are "girly" and admittedly childish. Think of typical arrested development "uwu aesthetic" weeb.
However, in the past few months she's been almost terminally online - again, as a woman with autism who grew up alongside the internet, that's kind of a given, but it's now all of her time instead of most of her time. What is she doing, exactly?

It's twitter politics and fetishisation of gay men, assumedly of the manga variety. She is a talented artist but it's devoted to homosexual erotica "fluff". I feel like a boomer for not knowing what half of her terms mean. I have no idea what her partner of a decade thinks. I feel bad for him, that's for sure.

"But Fish Maggot, why are you here bitching and whining about it? It's not like she's lopping off body parts or anything."

Maybe not, but, fuck, man, I thought I had some kind of impact on her when I spoke with her time and time again that labels and classifications were not the answer to her emotional turbulence. She has no idea just how vicious this cult will be should she show any level of swaying from their message.
She was delighted by all the support she garnered from "coming out"; I'm pained, thinking of how those same people will likely tear her apart if she steps slightly out of line. And, for fuck's sake, she's a massive autist, it'll happen sooner rather than later. I don't think she has the capacity to handle that kind of savagery.

"Well, it's just the internet, she can make like the Xbox 360 and walk away."

Of course she can, but her life is so deeply ingrained in the fibers of the internet, that she won't have the strength to. Her real life isn't exactly super kind to her, but even there she does herself no favours. She has a partner and an extensive family to lean on, but the internet takes priority. It always will, because it will baselessly fawn after her new victimhood identity and treat her as a martyr, until it doesn't.

I am sad, and I don't really know what to do. I want to be there to guide her as I always have done, but how can I in this case?
Is there a way back?
Was fate decided when the television broadcast of yesteryear chose to air those godforsaken Japanese cartoons?
Fuck, man.

 

[Fapcop]

Ooff… Sucks for both former metal head and arty Yaoi girl.

This shit is so insidious that you can’t even pull away and hope that the loss of a friend will make them modify their behavior, because they’ll just get their online fill of asspats instead.

I’d rather have a friend strung out on heroin than genderfeels, because at least with hard drugs they know they have a problem.

 

[Windex Drinker]

I have a cousin who I knew was secretly trans for a few years, but a bit before thanksgiving she came out as a "man" to our whole family. I used to be pretty laidback about it, but she's been using her new identity as an excuse to be a massive asshole to everyone so now I have to vent lol.

We both used to be really close when we were kids, especially because we were both geeky loner types, but like most troon stories, things became different when she made a tumblr account when we were in middle school. She convinced me to get an account too and it became very apparent that she was way more into it than I was. She quickly got into the social justice aspect of it, but the whole fandom politics thing always annoyed me, so I never used it regularly like she did. Side note: she was aggressively political online and kind of an arrogant jerk, but in real life, she was super timid and could barely speak to other people.

Anyways, after we both got a good online ””””education”””” on LGBTQIAP+ identities, I could very much tell my cousin wanted to identify as something special too, but she never had the guts to do it – even on tumblr. The closest she got to it was when she started calling herself “aro/ace”, which was as stupid as it sounds, but in my early teens I thought it was hecking Valid so I never thought much of it.

I eventually stopped using tumblr, but she continued, and we also stopped hanging out with each other outside of family get togethers. I still, however, secretly read her blog quite often because I started to realize how shit her home life was, and I just wanted to check up on how she was doing. I started to notice her trooning out a bit when she started gradually changing her pronouns in her bio to they/them, but I felt really uneasy whenever I noticed her adding a “he” somewhere in there, because even though I was very pro trans rights at the time, there was something about the prospects of a loved one transitioning that kinda got the ball rolling in my head that this trans shit might not be as Valid as I thought it was.

Skip ahead a few years and she’s going to SCAD and is now fully dressing like a bull dyke genderspecial. I stopped reading her blog long ago and I’d also completely switched positions on the trans thing. I figured my cousin was probably using some quirky identity with her art school friends, but I tried to pretend not to care because she seemed the happiest I’d seen her in forever, and that's the point of being trans, right? Becoming a happier, better person?

She eventually came out to me as a transman via a nintendo switch friend request (it was as embarrassing as it sounds), but it didn’t start to get bad until she graduated and came out to the entire family just in time for the holidays, because that meant she could start HRT without her parents threatening to stop paying for art school.

I also want to state that the entire extended family has been shockingly supportive, especially my family. Hell, even her own parents were going along with it. But holy shit, despite all the special preparation everyone did, that Thanksgiving was a fucking disaster. I hadn’t seen my cousin for a couple years at this point (she started skipping out on family events), and she looked terrible. She had been on T for 6 months at that point and looked h o r r i b l e. She was super sweaty, her hair was greasy, she was covered in zits, and gained a bunch of weight -- she just looked like she wasn’t taking care of herself. Also, she’d completely adopted that arrogant jerk persona she used on tumblr when we were teens, just a sarcastic, pompous asshole to everyone there including me.

The whole day was horrible for everybody. My cousin managed to make a snide comment to everyone at the party, and when one of my other cousins asked her what the fuck her problem was, she looked at him like he'd just called her a tranny, said “we were all bigots and she’d had enough of this white trash bullshit”, and stormed off. She ended up texting me the next day saying her outburst was "roid rage", which I guess is her way of saying the hormones have fucked her up. And when I asked her if she was going to apologize, she never responded.

Anyways... I haven't seen or talked to her since. She’s not talking to anyone in the family right now except her sister. She's also moved to LA, can’t find a job in the comic book industry like she wanted, and is currently in a sexual relationship with a much older woman who used to be her professor and is claiming that she’ll pay for her top surgery.

I really regret not keeping in touch with her when we were teenagers, and I really regret not being honest with her when we were kids about how stupid the tumblr bullshit was. But jesus, she sure as shit made it easy for me to also not give a shit about how fucked up her life is right now.

 

[BeetleBug242]

I'm quite shocked by the amount of stories and people that hit so close to home.

The amount of overlapping, well, everything is really, really concerning. I get the general vibes that y'all must be pretty chill, nice, and calm people. The ones that can vibe with a lot of life bullshit.

Why, why does this universe play a sick and cruel joke by taking people we were always worried about and then fucking them Into a dimension they will never recover from.

If I was just honest and put my foot down maybe he would still be okay, but I also know these people are extremely opinionated to the point of it being pointless.

At the same time though I have become deeply conflicted about myself. I know I contributeded when I was naive. Even when I believed this situation to be an exception... it was not.

The societal rot is hitting its peak, and so is my tolerance. It will get better.

 

[Fapcop]

I have a cousin who I knew was secretly trans for a few years, but a bit before thanksgiving she came out as a "man" to our whole family. I used to be pretty laidback about it, but she's been using her new identity as an excuse to be a massive asshole to everyone so now I have to vent lol.

We both used to be really close when we were kids, especially because we were both geeky loner types, but like most troon stories, things became different when she made a tumblr account when we were in middle school. She convinced me to get an account too and it became very apparent that she was way more into it than I was. She quickly got into the social justice aspect of it, but the whole fandom politics thing always annoyed me, so I never used it regularly like she did. Side note: she was aggressively political online and kind of an arrogant jerk, but in real life, she was super timid and could barely speak to other people.

Anyways, after we both got a good online ””””education”””” on LGBTQIAP+ identities, I could very much tell my cousin wanted to identify as something special too, but she never had the guts to do it – even on tumblr. The closest she got to it was when she started calling herself “aro/ace”, which was as stupid as it sounds, but in my early teens I thought it was hecking Valid so I never thought much of it.

I eventually stopped using tumblr, but she continued, and we also stopped hanging out with each other outside of family get togethers. I still, however, secretly read her blog quite often because I started to realize how shit her home life was, and I just wanted to check up on how she was doing. I started to notice her trooning out a bit when she started gradually changing her pronouns in her bio to they/them, but I felt really uneasy whenever I noticed her adding a “he” somewhere in there, because even though I was very pro trans rights at the time, there was something about the prospects of a loved one transitioning that kinda got the ball rolling in my head that this trans shit might not be as Valid as I thought it was.

Skip ahead a few years and she’s going to SCAD and is now fully dressing like a bull dyke genderspecial. I stopped reading her blog long ago and I’d also completely switched positions on the trans thing. I figured my cousin was probably using some quirky identity with her art school friends, but I tried to pretend not to care because she seemed the happiest I’d seen her in forever, and that's the point of being trans, right? Becoming a happier, better person?

She eventually came out to me as a transman via a nintendo switch friend request (it was as embarrassing as it sounds), but it didn’t start to get bad until she graduated and came out to the entire family just in time for the holidays, because that meant she could start HRT without her parents threatening to stop paying for art school.

I also want to state that the entire extended family has been shockingly supportive, especially my family. Hell, even her own parents were going along with it. But holy shit, despite all the special preparation everyone did, that Thanksgiving was a fucking disaster. I hadn’t seen my cousin for a couple years at this point (she started skipping out on family events), and she looked terrible. She had been on T for 6 months at that point and looked h o r r i b l e. She was super sweaty, her hair was greasy, she was covered in zits, and gained a bunch of weight -- she just looked like she wasn’t taking care of herself. Also, she’d completely adopted that arrogant jerk persona she used on tumblr when we were teens, just a sarcastic, pompous asshole to everyone there including me.

The whole day was horrible for everybody. My cousin managed to make a snide comment to everyone at the party, and when one of my other cousins asked her what the fuck her problem was, she looked at him like he'd just called her a tranny, said “we were all bigots and she’d had enough of this white trash bullshit”, and stormed off. She ended up texting me the next day saying her outburst was "roid rage", which I guess is her way of saying the hormones have fucked her up. And when I asked her if she was going to apologize, she never responded.

Anyways... I haven't seen or talked to her since. She’s not talking to anyone in the family right now except her sister. She's also moved to LA, can’t find a job in the comic book industry like she wanted, and is currently in a sexual relationship with a much older woman who used to be her professor and is claiming that she’ll pay for her top surgery.

I really regret not keeping in touch with her when we were teenagers, and I really regret not being honest with her when we were kids about how stupid the tumblr bullshit was. But jesus, she sure as shit made it easy for me to also not give a shit about how fucked up her life is right now.

Well, I hope it at least served to give the rest of the family a lesson about gender specials.

 

[Davey Havok]

I am so fucking glad I never went full bore into trooning out. Davey Havok decided to stop the femboy shit when it was no longer viable and stepped into manhood gracefully, so it made it easier to do the same for me. AFI > MCR

 

[Foxymophandlemama]

Ooff… Sucks for both former metal head and arty Yaoi girl.

This shit is so insidious that you can’t even pull away and hope that the loss of a friend will make them modify their behavior, because they’ll just get their online fill of asspats instead.

I’d rather have a friend strung out on heroin than genderfeels, because at least with hard drugs they know they have a problem.

Yeah, exactly that. My language have gendered words, so everyone is telling him he is beautiful using the female version of the word, in every picture. He is far more popular now than when he was a metalhead, his follower count increased and all, but he's still a mess mentally.

 

[Hepativore]

For all of us here who have stories about people we knew that bought tickets to the troon train, is there really any sign that this genderspecial trend has a hope of dying down? It was only slightly mentioned when I was in high school and now it has quickly mushroomed into a cancer. When something like this has become this ubiquitous, is it going to reach a point where it will be endemic from here on out?

I am somewhat heartened by the attempts by LGB to distance itself from the T in the UK, but I wonder if these are just the last hold-outs in the face troon tide, while in a few years or so, there will be nobody left who would dare question the tranny brainwashing that is being forced on everybody. It shows no sign of stopping in the US, as being against troonery causes people to pigeonhole you into being in a certain area of the political spectrum in my country regardless of where you otherwise fit.

I think it would go a long way to combat people destroying themselves with trooning out if there was a database somewhere where people could get real treatment from mental health professionals to prevent this phenomenon instead of pushing them further into it. Sadly, if such a database existed, everybody on it would get blacklisted immediately for being "transphobic".

 

[Maginot]

For all of us here who have stories about people we knew that bought tickets to the troon train, is there really any sign that this genderspecial trend has a hope of dying down? It was only slightly mentioned when I was in high school and now it has quickly mushroomed into a cancer. When something like this has become this ubiquitous, is it going to reach a point where it will be endemic from here on out?

I am somewhat heartened by the attempts by LGB to distance itself from the T in the UK, but I wonder if these are just the last hold-outs in the face troon tide, while in a few years or so, there will be nobody left who would dare question the tranny brainwashing that is being forced on everybody. It shows no sign of stopping in the US, as being against troonery causes people to pigeonhole you into being in a certain area of the political spectrum in my country regardless of where you otherwise fit.

I think it would go a long way to combat people destroying themselves with trooning out if there was a database somewhere where people could get real treatment from mental health professionals to prevent this phenomenon instead of pushing them further into it. Sadly, if such a database existed, everybody on it would get blacklisted immediately for being "transphobic".

wait and see I think, there is no way it is burnt out when it does a perfectly good job of recruiting and ruining people

 

[Cloacan]

When something like this has become this ubiquitous, is it going to reach a point where it will be endemic from here on out?

It would take Chinese totalitarian levels of internet control to right these wrongs. Unless that culture can be intentionally overwritten, its going to stick around and fester for a long time. It is technically possible, but it's not going to happen in the wreckage left of the West.

I even tried to tell him to try cross dressing for a while

"Have some of these oxycodone pills, just to see if the heroin lifestyle is for you."
Always say no to transvesticism. I would say, "Try giving up porn for a month. And make to not venture into tranny echo chambers."