Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[quackrock]

This is why letting troons sterilize themselves is tempting to me. I do genuinely want them to not procreate.

No one is born transgender, just as no one is born bulimic. Kids are dumb and believe what they're told by teachers, parents, doctors, and the government. Many trans people, especially now, were put on the trans train as kids. Kids don't deserve mental illness, sterilization, and a lifelong medical leash.

That said.... those who know what transgenderism is, and spread it to kids and vulnerable people regardless? The people destroying families and young lives for fake Internet points? Their gene lines need to end.

 

[vomitusdeux]

No one is born transgender, just as no one is born bulimic.

I'd say it is something you're born with, just like most mental disorders are, there has to be some feeling of disconnect there or telling people to lop off their cock just wouldn't work. It doesn't mean the delusions need to be validated though. And the people who encourage it rather than try to help people perceive reality, and then talk these mentally ill people and children into mutilating themselves? Their genes need to end.

 

[Vingle]

I mean, getting a small portion of hereditary low IQ and mental illness out of the gene pool is for the best. Unnecessary suffering due to low IQ and mental illness will only continue to happen. As long humans try to play god and don't let the ones unfit for life die out, like back in the days.

 

[Yrret]

I feel like as people benefiting in many different ways from 21st century technology, you guys shouldn't be so quick to disallow trans people from doing so as well. Transition results could improve along with developments in technology if no-one got in their way. I don't see how this is a bad thing long-term and it only affects a small percentage of the population either way. I'm pretty sure a lot of you have tried playing a female character before in an MMO.

 

[Varsha Nagini]

Go on… You have my interest!

Now i want to read it

Okay but be warned, there is a tremendous amount of TMI ahead - I'll include a little tl;dr under the spoiler for those not wanting to get deep into it. I'm a very wordy individual and I'll do my best to cut out anything too identifying in the PL, though this person is very normie nowadays and this is incredibly unlikely to resurface to them in any form. Still, this will put you back a few minutes to read, but here we go Kiwis;

Spoiler: Harry Potter and the Case of the Glass Dildo (for real)

CONTEXT: So, for the more HP-orientated among us, you might recognise part of my name as Voldemort's snake, and you may have seen me contributing to the Rowling Derangement Thread. This is because all this tranny insanity came crashing into my life with peak intensity just as KF came back online properly following Dong-Gone and Keffarts campaign to slaughter the kiwi. This was around a job and house move that resulted in a lot of goodbyes from my local troons who were many, given I work in tech-adjacent and R&D adjacent fields who also tended to hire young. I'm more customer service-y, but I still attracted this batshittery (female socialisation at work there and inability to tell trannies to BTFO due to being based in a very Portland-esque britbong town - if I'm using the right USA place here for a woke analogy). This resulted in me being a bizarre funeral pyre for troons I knew passing me their old HP gear as "house stuff" to fill out my bookcase because ("They can't sell it in time/move it at all/make profit") after asking me if I still liked it. Me, not having read the series since I was a teenager and saw the final movie on a plane once said, "Eh, yeah. I guess,".

HOW: This led me to get back in touch with an old Fujoshi-friend (lets call her Mel), now, I used to be turbo cringe. Kiwis, I wrote fanfic. I don't regret any of it, I got better at writing and it inspired me to do original works and I was able to divorce fan work from original content enough that I even got a few small time bits published, and the odd commission. Nice. What got me into this? From ages 13-16, it was Harry Potter. I met my friend through FFnet. We collaborated, and she was a graphics design type, so when doing story covers became a thing, she'd draw covers for them. It was pretty cute. Now, this is around the time the main flavour of fandom was making everything m/m (male on male) - it was like this strange, "safe" fetishist sexual exploration okayed by everyone around you in the sphere around about the time you clock you're starting get turned on and don't really know what to do about it. At some point we got bored and the flavour of things changed from HP to an anime we both grew up with and I pretty much forgot about my HP-inducted cringe, but it remains a solid part of my foray into writing, so I can't really slate it. I'm in my late twenties now so memories of it are pretty foggy and replaced mostly by our gay weeb shit. Yaoi and the like (I know I know. Judge away). Fujo-friend Mel was 2 years older than me but a little more arrested development, still is, but really grew up by getting a brutal job and becoming a full-time carer. We fell out of touch except for sending the odd card or birthday present until I moved about 1 hour away. I used to be the other side of the UK, but this time I was CLOSE, I have a husband, and a home. I grew out of the Fujo-shit by simply finding better literotica and socialising more with men, the idealised Yaoi Male fell out of view, and became periphery, unappealing, and unrealistic. Naturally I consumed less then very quickly none, veering to f/m normie shit.

So What Happened? We meet up a few times and I give her the house tour, it's even better being her friend IRL - husband is out and we're having a real girls night. I'm introducing her to all my pets, we're catching up, the "how'd you meet?" talk happens - and here's where it gets interesting. Mel expresses a dismay mixed with disinterest in just not 'settling down' - she's sad, but it's hard to pinpoint why, like she envies my position but at the same time thinks it'll never be 'for her'. I'm confused, she's almost 6ft, works hard, pretty face, big hair, could easily cosplay that Dimitrescu lady if she wanted to - definite market for this kind of woman. Very caring, obviously, socially and fiscally responsible. What's wrong with her, I think? I don't say this, ofc. But I remember something from our teenhood, like a lightning flash.

"I just don't get anything out of it, I'm so jealous of guys, sexy stuff must just feel so good for them," and then it hits me. Do I have a near 30-something whose never once coomed fully in her life? Someone who has such a maladjusted view of female sexuality from a Fujoshi-mindset combined with total inexperience that she simply thinks being a woman 'isnt worth it' sexually and then also romantically because why be with guys if they can't satisfy you? It's ridiculous, I think, but I have to dig deeper - because that's when she utters it.

"I thought about if I was trans or something even, I just don't get anything out of men even though I think they're attractive," and I'm like hell no, we're digging into this, I'm not letting Mel turn into an oversized pooner without addressing the core issues here, this is misguided penis envy?? Key to note she made no talk of "T," discord servers, pronouns, or standard tranny grooming, she thinks tumblr/twitter people are peak retarded and is vehemently pro-JKR - which is why we reconnected in the wake of all this tranny controversy - bc I remembered 'the HP years' of fanfic due to having the series thrust back into my life.

Look, the spectrum of FtM thoughts that causes transness is much more complex than most MtF which can be boiled down to "jealousy of women/inceldom/failed male/perversion". FtMs/Pooners can derive from extreme dysmorphia and wanting to be unattractive or 'cant beat em, join em' if they were sexually assaulted by men in their past/abuse etc. Or, it can be the result of Coomer Fujoshi Bullshit, which is what we're dealing with here, this idealised yaoi m/m flowery faggy shit that paints a warped view of what the male homosexual relationship truly is, including the glorification of their anal coom. So I mixed us a couple of Rob Roys, tried not to trip over the dog and started really getting into the embarrassing, self-introspection most people do alone.

"Well, SRS isn't exactly create-a-cock Sims bs, it's pretty nasty and ineffectual, it's all aesthetics with real bad health implications," to which she agreed, before professing the same mindset she had as a teen? "Okay so you've not dated around, I get that, but get bricked up right? Turned on? Your point is that you don't find it satisfying because there's no big fireworks or money shot? No all-amazing release?" to which she was like well yeah, there's no finality, I'm just kind of... done and it's not much to write home about.

Me, drunk, blurts out "You're doing it wrong then," - and no, it didn't devolve into your favourite Pornhub search, but it did result in a "what are you actually doing down there?" complete with juvenile hand gestures of 'up and down? side to side? round the world? what exactly? two in? no? yes?' - and me trying not to spill ice all over the laptop while I pull up LoveHoney. I guess it's like britbong Adam&Eve, standard sex-toy fare. It's not like I'm going to whip out my collection or something, but I talk her through informed choices. To my horror, she says "Well, it's not like I've not tried sticking stuff up there," but a further unravelling shows she's approaching masturbation... like a man.

A cumbrained Fujoshi whose brought too much into the m/m shit - a natal female, is approaching masturbation as if she were a man, well of fucking course you're not going to get anywhere jackhammering yourself into oblivion and pretending you're a twink getting anal railed.


Maybe it turns you on, getting you only so far, but you're not exactly stimulating yourself in the way your body enjoys, you're trying to will yourself into enjoying something you're not even wired for? I also partly blame whatever porn she's looked at, seldom is ever appealing to the foid gaze, and I don't blame her. Sure it exists, but it's a hard find, especially if you're not even sure what you're looking for and think you should "like it how dudes do."

Four Rob Roys later and there's a rabbit order, and a clitoral stimulation/bullet toy order, and to her horror, a thinner, glass, curved dildo order ("Glass? for real? Won't that break?" "No, but also temperature stuff might help you out some, trustmebro.jpg"). There's emphasis on "journey, not destination" - enjoy the process and stop going for this moneyshot as if you're expecting a violent dick-style cumshot and for the love of God - change your porn consumption, EVEN if it means using your imagination. Lo and behold some weeks later she's now corrected of the belief that gay dudes have this mythical, untouchably amazing Coom. The Coom has bought her back - I gently broach the subject of 'hows that LoveHoney purchase working out? Man we were wasted," casually some time later.

Her response?

"I don't know why I wanted a dick so bad, I got a better deal here LMAO - anyway how's Hogwarts Legacy?"

tl;dr Future Pooner has fucked view of sexuality due to too much Fujo shit and pretending she's a twink. Dick envy. Turns out has never coomed properly as a woman. Learns to coom. No longer envy of men or expressing trans sentiments.

The takeaway from this is that a lot of cumbrained Fujoshis who are on the pooner path could do with socialising with men better but ultimately need to stop trying to forcibly imitate men when exploring their own sexuality. The vast majority could do with overall sex therapy that's based on understanding their own bodies physical needs, and then emotional/couples therapy re: the emotive side and why they're so apprehensive of men in the first place or not getting what they need out of relationships. Honestly this whole affair reminded me of that Kiwi who mentioned a Japanese lady doujin artist who basically lost all interest in that gay shit once she actually had sex. I'm now witnessing it in real-time. I would bet if I text her right fucking now and asked she'd probably admit her consumption of m/m has reduced, if not nixed completely.


No one ordinarily was gonna tell Mel the truth or dig down on this embarrassing shit because it's not comfortably discussed IRL unless it's following a set of typical conversation paths. Like meaningless "you go girl! get it for yourself" posts from people supporting self-exploration without talking about the uncomfortable fetishization of gay sex playing a part in their warped understanding of their own sex needs or creepy men trying to "teach you about your body" - seriously, where else would she have got this wakeup talk?

No talk of dick envy, or being trans, The Coom bought her back. The End.

 

[Fapcop]

I am not disappoint!

What a weirdly inspiring tale.

You should do a series of SAVED BY THE COOM posts.

“SISSYPORN SET ME STRAIGHT!”
‘From coom brained redditor to NO-FAP-Father of two!’

As told to Varsha Nagini

 

[Vingle]

you guys shouldn't be so quick to disallow trans people from doing so as well. Transition results could improve along with developments in technology if no-one got in their way.

The problem is that they all become a shell of their former self. And nobody is getting in their way, they are the one fucking themselves up. People that care about them try to save them from doing so.

I don't see how this is a bad thing long-term and it only affects a small percentage of the population either way.

Me neither, they would kill themselves much faster if nobody did intervene.

I'm pretty sure a lot of you have tried playing a female character before in an MMO.

No, retard.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

I feel like as people benefiting in many different ways from 21st century technology, you guys shouldn't be so quick to disallow trans people from doing so as well. Transition results could improve along with developments in technology if no-one got in their way. I don't see how this is a bad thing long-term and it only affects a small percentage of the population either way. I'm pretty sure a lot of you have tried playing a female character before in an MMO.

You will never be a woman.

Also, if your best example of “advancing technology” for troons is video game avatars, then it really speaks to how first-world and actually unchallenged troons actually are in their lives.

 

[Varsha Nagini]

I feel like as people benefiting in many different ways from 21st century technology, you guys shouldn't be so quick to disallow trans people from doing so as well. Transition results could improve along with developments in technology if no-one got in their way. I don't see how this is a bad thing long-term and it only affects a small percentage of the population either way. I'm pretty sure a lot of you have tried playing a female character before in an MMO.

Sweet Kiwi, what the fuck are you trying to say here? I'm a little confused. Are you trying to say technology may potentially advance enough to make troons passable? This entire sentiment seems to also rely on the idea they're a fringe minority of the populace and that making technology better for troons benefits us all and is worth investing in and not hindering society and is a net positive. Well, everything about troons damages society, they infringe on sex-based rights, they trample all over the prison system and warp crime statistics, why should we be enabling this? They actually do a lot of damage - have you not witnessed the information erasure they try to do of their 'deadnames/selves' - our own Kiwifarms and archiving sites falling prey to this and damaging online free speech forever? The information erasure troons do extends past this, with them erasing tranny-associated paraphilias from being associated with deviant criminals WHEN THE LINK EXISTS FOR A REASON. Why should we further blur the lines and promote the erasure of the freakish paraphilias (*and their past selves) associated with troons and trying to get them to seamlessly integrate with women? *Which is what this grand push to helping them pass would do?

Let me be charitable and pretend we make near-magical technology that transports these AGP freaks into the bimbo bodies they dream of while retaining all their male socialisation, removing the inequality of biology of transwomoid v natal woman. Why the fuck should these skinwalking manbeasts be allowed to 'opt in' to being a woman when the very need to 'transform into one' is often driven by inceldom/failed male/perverse behaviour? No. We SHOULD'NT let technology help them pass better, technology should be focused on the majority. Not the minority of mentally broken perverts. The only technology I support for troons is a police ankle bracelet that electroshocks them before they flash their cocks in a women's locker room.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

I feel like as people benefiting in many different ways from 21st century technology, you guys shouldn't be so quick to disallow trans people from doing so as well. Transition results could improve along with developments in technology if no-one got in their way. I don't see how this is a bad thing long-term and it only affects a small percentage of the population either way. I'm pretty sure a lot of you have tried playing a female character before in an MMO.

You are welcome into the SRS and surgeons thread to witness the horrors that are being done very often to people who are mentally ill, very vulnerable or too young to make a proper informed decision.

 

[NerdShamer]

You are welcome into the SRS and surgeons thread to witness the horrors that are being done very often to people who are mentally ill, very vulnerable or too young to make a proper informed decision.

Took an look at it, an few years ago. It's an pretty entertaining read, especially the ones where they're in denial over it. But as I understand it, the owners of Reddit has shut down one of the main subs that were fueling the thread because they were "transphobic" or something. Plus, it's kind of creepy with how many people are posting their mangled privates on social media for brownie points

 

[pursuitsnail]

Transition results could improve along with developments in technology if no-one got in their way. I don't see how this is a bad thing long-term and it only affects a small percentage of the population either way.

Yes, who among us has not considered the benefit to society of using a small population of mentally ill people as experimental human subjects?

Do I need a /sneed here? Normally we don't grease the tracks on people's path to self-destruction because we might make some surgical advances out of their insanity. It feels like a Poe when someone suggests that cultivating mental health crises is really not such a bad thing after all.

I'm pretty sure a lot of you have tried playing a female character before in an MMO.

What does this have to do with anything? What your MMO character looks like is about as meaningful as your choice of breakfast cereal.

 

[Tilapia]

I feel like as people benefiting in many different ways from 21st century technology, you guys shouldn't be so quick to disallow trans people from doing so as well. Transition results could improve along with developments in technology if no-one got in their way. I don't see how this is a bad thing long-term and it only affects a small percentage of the population either way. I'm pretty sure a lot of you have tried playing a female character before in an MMO.

You're so right. In 2007, I was a sexy night elf in World of Warcraft and now I get uncontrollable urges to slice up my own dick.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Sweet Kiwi, what the fuck are you trying to say here? I'm a little confused. Are you trying to say technology may potentially advance enough to make troons passable?

He's repeating the same sort of naive, ignorant optimism that drives the transhumanists. "The technology to load our minds into a computer will be here any day now!" except with bolt-ons and womb installations.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Took an look at it, an few years ago. It's an pretty entertaining read, especially the ones where they're in denial over it. But as I understand it, the owners of Reddit has shut down one of the main subs that were fueling the thread because they were "transphobic" or something. Plus, it's kind of creepy with how many people are posting their mangled privates on social media for brownie points

They are going after detransitioners and parents of grooming victims pretty heavily too. Its a house of cards propped up only by Big Tech censorship.

 

[Yrret]

You're so right. In 2007, I was a sexy night elf in World of Warcraft and now I get uncontrollable urges to slice up my own dick.

The thing is, from age 4 or 5 I was doing things like secretly trying on my mom's makeup or nail polish despite growing up in a conservative Christian household and going to a Catholic school. When puberty started changing my body I came down with depression that did not go away, along with exactly what you mention, violent and inexplicable urges to cut off that part of my body. I also pretended to be a girl in online chatrooms looking for cybersex with guys from 11 or 12 (saying I was older), as well as pretending to be a girl in any video game i played (my voice was high enough to pass). This was all without any encouragement or anyone putting ideas in my mind whatsoever. So some people are probably born with it.

I considered trying to transition as a teen but I wasn't brave enough to be open about it with my parents and risk getting disowned or worse. I had good prospects and was studying software engineering at a top university until I gave in to the depression and started attempting suicide. Of course, that's when my parents calmed down and started letting me do what I wanted but I haven't been able to recover.

What I don't understand is the reason for viscerally disliking trans people. You could just be opposed to aspects of the movement that aim to censor your speech or obfuscate reality.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

software engineering

every time

exposed to porn and sex with adults at a premature age

deppression and self esteem issues

None of that translates into being actually the opossite gender, it translates to being more likely to have neurotic fixations and being more emotionally vulnerable, you might as well say "wow, i am secretly an annunaki from outer space, thats why i can't connect with people!, i always liked alien races in videogames!". And indeed, some people identify as aliens, dragons, wolves , historical figures and cartoon characters and if you check their communities they all have a similar origin, you might get some insight staring long enough into the abyss as people on this forum have.

Its also like 10 times more likely for a person on the autistic spectrum to be identifying as trans or nonbinary, which, yeah, some people are born more vulnerable to it but not for the exact reason you think, autistic people and aspergers struggle with self identity, sexuality and their place in social circles a lot more than neurotypicals by default.


Being able to transform into another person is appealing on many levels for someone struggling with a life of bad self esteem but once the euphoria dies down most trans people are back to square one except now having fucked up their life and bodies exponentially.

This particular thread is less about making fun of trans and more about real concern by those who know their loved ones might be ruining their life, in fact no one posting here wants something tragic to happens to their trans relatives and loved ones at all because they are not people they dislike but worry about or have already lost and grieve for.

 

[Tilapia]

The thing is, from age 4 or 5 I was doing things like secretly trying on my mom's makeup or nail polish despite growing up in a conservative Christian household and going to a Catholic school. When puberty started changing my body I came down with depression that did not go away, along with exactly what you mention, violent and inexplicable urges to cut off that part of my body. I also pretended to be a girl in online chatrooms looking for cybersex with guys from 11 or 12 (saying I was older), as well as pretending to be a girl in any video game i played (my voice was high enough to pass). This was all without any encouragement or anyone putting ideas in my mind whatsoever. So some people are probably born with it.

I considered trying to transition as a teen but I wasn't brave enough to be open about it with my parents and risk getting disowned or worse. I had good prospects and was studying software engineering at a top university until I gave in to the depression and started attempting suicide. Of course, that's when my parents calmed down and started letting me do what I wanted but I haven't been able to recover.

What I don't understand is the reason for viscerally disliking trans people. You could just be opposed to aspects of the movement that aim to censor your speech or obfuscate reality.

I am going to say this in the most polite way possible.

Have you ever considered that you are just a gay man, and that the hatred of your own genitals came from growing up in a conservative Christian household that would shame you for your sexual orientation?

Or that soliciting cybersex from older men, while pretending to be a girl, was just you being a confused gay preteen going through puberty and trying to figure out new feelings, with no healthy guidance?

Or that if you want to fuck men, or wear makeup, or wear feminine clothes, you don't need to "transition" to do so?

Or that, out of boys who choose female avatars in videogames, a lot of them are just going to grow up to be fucking gay, no estrogen or neovag required?

Go to therapy. Treat the depression. Reconcile with your conservative Catholic upbringing and how it fucked you up before making any life choices you can't reverse.

 

[One Quick Post]

You could just be opposed to aspects of the movement that aim to censor your speech or obfuscate reality.

Every trans person is obfuscating reality by insisting they're the opposite sex.

 

[RazorBackBacon]

I feel like as people benefiting in many different ways from 21st century technology, you guys shouldn't be so quick to disallow trans people from doing so as well. Transition results could improve along with developments in technology if no-one got in their way. I don't see how this is a bad thing long-term and it only affects a small percentage of the population either way.

Even if that's true, it's still a horror for the individuals. We're decades if not centuries away from the kind of gender reassignment surgery that lets you pass 100% and gives you all the life milestones of a natal member of your chosen gender. In the meantime, we mutilate people in the name of a goal that's impossible with today's technology. Why? Why should we condemn people to a life of daily painful dilation or peeing out of a flaccid sausage constructed of leg fat, or demand other people enable this, *especially* when they *aren't* going to feel fulfilled, they *aren't* going to live their true and honest lives, and they have a nearly 50% chance of killing themselves? Why would we do this instead of getting them the help they need to feel comfortable in their own bodies?

I'm pretty sure a lot of you have tried playing a female character before in an MMO.

Yeah, I also played as an elf in Skyrim. I'm not about to go clipping my ears to look like Spock. This is such a stupid argument. Does reading The Color Purple make me trans-nigger? Fuck off.