Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Fartificial Insmelligence]

For all of us here who have stories about people we knew that bought tickets to the troon train, is there really any sign that this genderspecial trend has a hope of dying down? It was only slightly mentioned when I was in high school and now it has quickly mushroomed into a cancer. When something like this has become this ubiquitous, is it going to reach a point where it will be endemic from here on out?

I am somewhat heartened by the attempts by LGB to distance itself from the T in the UK, but I wonder if these are just the last hold-outs in the face troon tide, while in a few years or so, there will be nobody left who would dare question the tranny brainwashing that is being forced on everybody. It shows no sign of stopping in the US, as being against troonery causes people to pigeonhole you into being in a certain area of the political spectrum in my country regardless of where you otherwise fit.

I think it would go a long way to combat people destroying themselves with trooning out if there was a database somewhere where people could get real treatment from mental health professionals to prevent this phenomenon instead of pushing them further into it. Sadly, if such a database existed, everybody on it would get blacklisted immediately for being "transphobic".

I don't think it'll ever go away necessarily, but there will come a time when most people probably quietly disembark the troon train (probably the people who just grew out their hair and wore dresses, if you got your cock chopped you're screwed), and there'll be a new crazy fad/ social contagion. My money is on Trans-Humanism, once prostheses become advanced enough to rival biological components. Granted, that's probably decades out...

 

[Hepativore]

I don't think it'll ever go away necessarily, but there will come a time when most people probably quietly disembark the troon train (probably the people who just grew out their hair and wore dresses, if you got your cock chopped you're screwed), and there'll be a new crazy fad/ social contagion. My money is on Trans-Humanism, once prostheses become advanced enough to rival biological components. Granted, that's probably decades out...

The otherkin nonsense might also start being taken seriously by culture at large as well, and then we might be forced to start referring to people at work or school by the animal they identify as...even if it is something entirely fictional like a griffon or manticore.

I doubt the troonism will disappear entirely, but I wonder if we can hope for a day when it will go back to be seen as a small group of weirdos again by most of society once all of the health complications of aging troons start manifesting, like granny FTMs getting years-long UTIs or elderly MTFs needing nursing staff to help them dilate.

 

[Battery Low]

For all of us here who have stories about people we knew that bought tickets to the troon train, is there really any sign that this genderspecial trend has a hope of dying down? It was only slightly mentioned when I was in high school and now it has quickly mushroomed into a cancer. When something like this has become this ubiquitous, is it going to reach a point where it will be endemic from here on out?

I am somewhat heartened by the attempts by LGB to distance itself from the T in the UK, but I wonder if these are just the last hold-outs in the face troon tide, while in a few years or so, there will be nobody left who would dare question the tranny brainwashing that is being forced on everybody. It shows no sign of stopping in the US, as being against troonery causes people to pigeonhole you into being in a certain area of the political spectrum in my country regardless of where you otherwise fit.

I think it would go a long way to combat people destroying themselves with trooning out if there was a database somewhere where people could get real treatment from mental health professionals to prevent this phenomenon instead of pushing them further into it. Sadly, if such a database existed, everybody on it would get blacklisted immediately for being "transphobic".

I suspect that the US will hold out the longest. Mostly because socialised medical systems are already stepping back. Too much money for no appreciable benefit. US also has a strong "self/bodily autonomy" principle compared to some other parts of the world. The political divide appears to be so strong, partisan and - dare I say it - binary that it's a good way of controlling people who are afraid of being labelled as the "baddies".

US culture has a huge influence on the rest of the world, but with a global recession hitting us, cold hard numbers will probably win out in a lot of countries as they don't want to subsidise butchering the population into being unable to work.

The political benefit of the trans bloc will be sacrificed and transferred onto something else. The press will be permitted to report honestly on the horrors going on, the tide will turn and then a new clown show will roll into town to take it's place.

ETA: I agree with the above regarding it being dropped for a new fad especially when the consequences become more visible. I can imagine the next generation growing up looking at all these middle aged people fucked up from hormones and surgery, and going "lol fuck no".

Plus it's fighting against biological drive. Most people want a man/woman who looks like a man/woman, not someone who doesn't pass, with fucked up genitals, can't partake in reciprocal sexual pleasure or start a family.

No kid in 10 years time is going to look at current year's trends and decide that that's what will make them cool/attractive. It's always been like that, but throw in hunchbacks, osteoporosis, sterility, colon-ginas, balding women, heart attacks, UTIs and God knows what else... It's not going to attract many in the same numbers it has previously

 

[Sperghetti]

I honestly think we’re going to have a rubber band snap. In the shorter term, it’ll be the rise of detransitioners, and I can almost guarantee the media’s new favorite victimhood narrative will be “I was part of a cult! Why did everyone I love stand idly by and let those evil doctors mutilate me?!”

But in the longer term, I think it’s just going to become unfashionable. Transsexuality itself has been around for a long time, but the for the past 8-10 years, it’s been a fad. The longer any fad goes on, the closer it gets to either wearing down to nobody caring or making a big deal about it anymore (so no motivation to “come out” for kudos), or actively becoming seen as some dorky thing that old losers do.

I’m slightly terrified about what will replace it, to be honest.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Plus it's fighting against biological drive. Most people want a man/woman who looks like a man/woman, not someone who doesn't pass, with fucked up genitals, can't partake in reciprocal sexual pleasure or start a family.

In my tinfoil moments I wonder if the huge push towards trooning isn't socially engineered as a way to counter the coming overpopulation crisis.
It certainly could be argued to be a form of eugenics, as it involves sterilizing the mentally ill, as only the delusional would fall for it. It just seems to me to be too much of a coincidence that it sterilizes the most useless members of society.

 

[Hepativore]

I suspect that the US will hold out the longest. Mostly because socialised medical systems are already stepping back. Too much money for no appreciable benefit. US also has a strong "self/bodily autonomy" principle compared to some other parts of the world. The political divide appears to be so strong, partisan and - dare I say it - binary that it's a good way of controlling people who are afraid of being labelled as the "baddies".

US culture has a huge influence on the rest of the world, but with a global recession hitting us, cold hard numbers will probably win out in a lot of countries as they don't want to subsidise butchering the population into being unable to work.

The political benefit of the trans bloc will be sacrificed and transferred onto something else. The press will be permitted to report honestly on the horrors going on, the tide will turn and then a new clown show will roll into town to take it's place.

ETA: I agree with the above regarding it being dropped for a new fad especially when the consequences become more visible. I can imagine the next generation growing up looking at all these middle aged people fucked up from hormones and surgery, and going "lol fuck no".

Plus it's fighting against biological drive. Most people want a man/woman who looks like a man/woman, not someone who doesn't pass, with fucked up genitals, can't partake in reciprocal sexual pleasure or start a family.

No kid in 10 years time is going to look at current year's trends and decide that that's what will make them cool/attractive. It's always been like that, but throw in hunchbacks, osteoporosis, sterility, colon-ginas, balding women, heart attacks, UTIs and God knows what else... It's not going to attract many in the same numbers it has previously

Troons seem to age very rapidly. I am guessing it is a side effect of destroying their endocrine systems with surgery and injecting themselves with massive doses of hormones through HRT.

It is part of the same phenomenon when celebrities have various facelifts and botox injections that seems to make them look even worse in the long run as it disrupts the underlying musculature and connective tissues of the face as opposed to aging gracefully.

 

[Kosmo Kramer]

Spoiler: Powerleveling a bit

My sister started testosterone a few weeks ago. Started wearing men's underwear too, I guess. It's crushing to see my parents deal with this. It's less sadness and more anger for me now, because she knows she's acting like a fucking tard. It goes against literally everything we were taught and shown as kids, but I suppose that's what internet and public schools can do to a young girl with mental health issues.

I find it interesting that most troons have some type of mental illness or disability. It seems to me like they're purposely targeted because of their vulnerability. Never trust a troon.

 

[Not A Bunny]

A dear friend of mine declared himself non-binary for his birthday. I suspect, being on the small side and moderately sensitive, it's him dipping his toe into eventually transitioning to being female.

Now, for the time I saw him frequently, it never struck me that he had any inclination towards being female. Maybe a little lost in life at times, but he was most certainly a guy. His competitive streak, his sense of humor, the way his personality "matched up" with all the other guys that surrounded him, was shy but otherwise into girls.

I suspect another thing that happened was that he hangs out with a fringe group of people who don't have much better to do with their lives than ponder their own navels, and having had nothing better to do and no real purpose in life, needed to create a new identity that didn't punish him for not being big and manly.

I love that guy, I really do. I so want to drag him back and tell him to volunteer, travel to places to see other things, just get him away from a group of people that do the whole touchy-feely progressive thing, but I know I can't. I keep my mouth shut because our mutual friends will just form a shield around him instead of listening to me...who's been a lot right about a lot of things over the years.

I can no sooner accept him being non-binary (at least) as much as I'd accept a friend coming out as a Scientologist.

I encountered the whole "genderqueer" shit in the wild before, and it was okay when it was someone I found to be despicable, because It just wasn't "real" to me until it was someone I cared something for, because I could have held onto that separation. Like, my bubble of people was too smart, too self-assured, too well-supported to fall for this shit. Someone else's fetid little bubble kept that fence-sitting shit (I am growing increasingly intolerant of the trans ideology, but I find "non-binary" to be the stuff of people who want to wear a trans costume more than actually BE trans, which is just god damned insufferable) away from me.

But now it's in my space. And my heart is broken.

I know this is a shitposting board, but damn it, there's about no place else I can go with this stuff.

 

[Hepativore]

A dear friend of mine declared himself non-binary for his birthday. I suspect, being on the small side and moderately sensitive, it's him dipping his toe into eventually transitioning to being female.

Now, for the time I saw him frequently, it never struck me that he had any inclination towards being female. Maybe a little lost in life at times, but he was most certainly a guy. His competitive streak, his sense of humor, the way his personality "matched up" with all the other guys that surrounded him, was shy but otherwise into girls.

I suspect another thing that happened was that he hangs out with a fringe group of people who don't have much better to do with their lives than ponder their own navels, and having had nothing better to do and no real purpose in life, needed to create a new identity that didn't punish him for not being big and manly.

I love that guy, I really do. I so want to drag him back and tell him to volunteer, travel to places to see other things, just get him away from a group of people that do the whole touchy-feely progressive thing, but I know I can't. I keep my mouth shut because our mutual friends will just form a shield around him instead of listening to me...who's been a lot right about a lot of things over the years.

I can no sooner accept him being non-binary (at least) as much as I'd accept a friend coming out as a Scientologist.

I encountered the whole "genderqueer" shit in the wild before, and it was okay when it was someone I found to be despicable, because It just wasn't "real" to me until it was someone I cared something for, because I could have held onto that separation. Like, my bubble of people was too smart, too self-assured, too well-supported to fall for this shit. Someone else's fetid little bubble kept that fence-sitting shit (I am growing increasingly intolerant of the trans ideology, but I find "non-binary" to be the stuff of people who want to wear a trans costume more than actually BE trans, which is just god damned insufferable) away from me.

But now it's in my space. And my heart is broken.

I know this is a shitposting board, but damn it, there's about no place else I can go with this stuff.

This is not just a "shitposting" board, but also one of the remaining free speech havens on the internet. As most other places would have shut down and locked this thread in addition to banning all of the posters for being "transphobic", it is good that there are also threads here that are set up for feelsposting.

It is one thing to laugh at random idiots caught in the tranny hivemind, but it is no laughing matter when your friends or family members decide to troon out, as you are basically watching them physically destroy themselves with a blessing from society at large. If you have looked at the SRS surgery thread yet, you can see for yourself at just what sort of butchery or health problems troons are in store for if they decide to medically transition...and it usually ends up being for nothing as most troons will never pass no matter what they do.

 

[Not A Bunny]

This is not just a "shitposting" board, but also one of the remaining free speech havens on the internet. As most other places would have shut down and locked this thread in addition to banning all of the posters for being "transphobic", it is good that there are also threads here that are set up for feelsposting.

It is one thing to laugh at random idiots caught in the tranny hivemind, but it is no laughing matter when your friends or family members decide to troon out, as you are basically watching them physically destroy themselves with a blessing from society at large. If you have looked at the SRS surgery threat yet, you can see for yourself at just what sort of butchery or health problems troons are in store for if they decide to medically transition...and it usually ends up being for nothing as most troons will never pass no matter what they do.

Thanks. I want to believe that once he maybe grows up a little more, he'll leave this shit behind. What bugs me is that he's nearly 30...it's probably arrested development. I've always believed the non-binaries are one large adult responsibility (mostly marked by a substantial loan or having to take care of a child) away from not worrying about this stuff anymore, but that boho lifestyle, man. If you're not over that shit by the time you should have gotten a "real" job, you might be lost until you're middle-aged and trying hard to avoid admitting your were wrong - kind of wonder if these non-binary kids are going to eat bullets to save face, ya know.

I don't WANT that. If I can do one fucking thing to stop it, I'd do it it a hot second. I'm just not sure trying to talk a grown-ass adult down off that cliff is going to do anything.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Spoiler: Powerleveling a bit

My sister started testosterone a few weeks ago. Started wearing men's underwear too, I guess. It's crushing to see my parents deal with this. It's less sadness and more anger for me now, because she knows she's acting like a fucking tard. It goes against literally everything we were taught and shown as kids, but I suppose that's what internet and public schools can do to a young girl with mental health issues.

I find it interesting that most troons have some type of mental illness or disability. It seems to me like they're purposely targeted because of their vulnerability. Never trust a troon.

If my sister wanted to LARP as my brother, I'd treat her like a brother that's making an asshole of himself and hurting the family, and slap some fucking sense into them.
I'm not suggesting you do this literally, (as tempting as it may be for you, don't bro) but she needs sitting down (preferably if you can maneuver her into a car ride where she's trapped and can't bail for the fifteen or so minutes it'll take to give her some home truths) and giving some cold, hard facts, about what a fucking selfish idiot she's being, how she's hurting your parents, you, and herself, and how the fucking freaks and weirdos that are indoctrinating her into this shit aren't her friends.
It might be too late, it might be pointless, but you got to try, it's family.
If she won't listen I'd cut her out of your life and most importantly keep her away from your kids, if you have any. If she's far gone she will try to get at them. It's how these faggots work.
Sorry you're going through this shit, random Kiwibro.

 

[vomitusdeux]

I find it interesting that most troons have some type of mental illness or disability. It seems to me like they're purposely targeted because of their vulnerability. Never trust a troon.

I can speak from experience that yes, they do. Almost every disabled community is/was hardcore targeted by these fuckers. It's how I got roped in when I did. I was informed by someone I know who's blind that they're trying really really hard in that community now, but they're getting serious push back because there's no reason why your genitals or race needs to be the forefront of your blindness. Godspeed blind people, don't let them destroy your community with identity politics.

 

[Fapcop]

Fuck man, I’m starting to worry about those poor blind fucks!

An entire community of people who literally can’t see how ridiculous they look sounds like the troon dream.

 

[Hepativore]

Thanks. I want to believe that once he maybe grows up a little more, he'll leave this shit behind. What bugs me is that he's nearly 30...it's probably arrested development. I've always believed the non-binaries are one large adult responsibility (mostly marked by a substantial loan or having to take care of a child) away from not worrying about this stuff anymore, but that boho lifestyle, man. If you're not over that shit by the time you should have gotten a "real" job, you might be lost until you're middle-aged and trying hard to avoid admitting your were wrong - kind of wonder if these non-binary kids are going to eat bullets to save face, ya know.

I don't WANT that. If I can do one fucking thing to stop it, I'd do it it a hot second. I'm just not sure trying to talk a grown-ass adult down off that cliff is going to do anything.

If you want to try, you can take a look at the thread I was referring, to. This shit gets glossed over by the Troon Platoon, so most people are not aware of the permanent medical complications that most SRS and hormones cause, even when things go "well".

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/srs-and-grs-surgeons-and-associated-horrors.76786/

 

[Fish Maggot]

Fuck man, I’m starting to worry about those poor blind fucks!

An entire community of people who literally can’t see how ridiculous they look sounds like the troon dream.

Being a troon is highly performative, and relies not only on converting their appearance into the most garish and flanderised version of a man/woman possible, but also in the looks that the troon garners from non-consenting strangers who stare on in confusion/disgust/mockery.
Whilst a blind person might be offered clemecy from viewing these abominations, they also would have markedly less appeal with trooning out themselves.

Now, I can imagine the upper case D Deaf community seizing an opportunity to collect more oppression points. They've always seemed a little bit fucky.

 

[Fapcop]

Thanks. I want to believe that once he maybe grows up a little more, he'll leave this shit behind. What bugs me is that he's nearly 30...it's probably arrested development. I've always believed the non-binaries are one large adult responsibility (mostly marked by a substantial loan or having to take care of a child) away from not worrying about this stuff anymore, but that boho lifestyle, man. If you're not over that shit by the time you should have gotten a "real" job, you might be lost until you're middle-aged and trying hard to avoid admitting your were wrong - kind of wonder if these non-binary kids are going to eat bullets to save face, ya know.

I don't WANT that. If I can do one fucking thing to stop it, I'd do it it a hot second. I'm just not sure trying to talk a grown-ass adult down off that cliff is going to do anything.

Have you thought about going travelling with him? Not like a week in Paris kinda travel, but a month or a few months travelling through Europe or (even better!) India or South America?

Travelling has a way of making people find out stuff about themselves without really trying. Also less internet and being surrounded by people who aren’t gender weirdos would be a positive influence I reckon.

It’s an investment sure, but if you ever wanted to see the world now you have an even better reason to.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

I find it interesting that most troons have some type of mental illness or disability.

And that's exactly why they're targeted to be groomed into this by other troons on Discord and Twitter. They're vulnerable. That's why autistic students in public schools are targeted, too.

 

[Color Computer]

My sister. She is a ftm. [I'll be referring to them with she/her pronouns so this post can make sense.]
Throughout her teen years, she has always insisted that she was trans and I accepted it.
Then for awhile she detransitioned and I thought the phase was over. But recently she came out to me again. She told me she had been fantasizing about getting top surgery and getting testosterone. She is 18 now and can legally get it. I support her but the thing is...I'm just so scared for her. I don't want her to get testosterone and top surgery then end up regretting her choices. She's mentally ill too. She is medicated but still..I don't want her to become one of the 41% if you get what I'm saying. I love her so much. I don't want anything to ever happen to her.

 

[Fapcop]

My sister. She is a ftm. [I'll be referring to them with she/her pronouns so this post can make sense.]
Throughout her teen years, she has always insisted that she was trans and I accepted it.
Then for awhile she detransitioned and I thought the phase was over. But recently she came out to me again. She told me she had been fantasizing about getting top surgery and getting testosterone. She is 18 now and can legally get it. I support her but the thing is...I'm just so scared for her. I don't want her to get testosterone and top surgery then end up regretting her choices. She's mentally ill too. She is medicated but still..I don't want her to become one of the 41% if you get what I'm saying. I love her so much. I don't want anything to ever happen to her.

Damn man! All the feels, that’s just awful!

She needs to understand that fantasizing is one thing, but reality is rarely as great. And in this case has some very nasty consequences.

It’s mindboggling and reprehensible that they let mentally ill people get these surgeries and medications.

Heroin, as bad as it is, doesn’t cause the kind of permanent damage that crosssex hormones do, and you can’t just sign a waiver and get a prescription.

Have you thought about PITT on Substack or fourthwavenow? Those are places where you can find other people in a similar situation, and might even get some good advice.

 

[Not A Bunny]

Have you thought about going travelling with him? Not like a week in Paris kinda travel, but a month or a few months travelling through Europe or (even better!) India or South America?

Travelling has a way of making people find out stuff about themselves without really trying. Also less internet and being surrounded by people who aren’t gender weirdos would be a positive influence I reckon.

It’s an investment sure, but if you ever wanted to see the world now you have an even better reason to.

He knows me too well. He knows that I'd just be doing it to talk him out of whatever the fuck he's into. And then he'd end up hating me, because that's what ultimately follows when you try and reason people out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

Thanks, though. I'm not feeling better about him, but I am feeling better about myself because of this thread.