Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[The Skeksis Emperor]

Ok so i have an update on this one online TIF i know, and starting to connect the dots.She admitted to me she was a victim of grooming when she was younger, and now it turns out she once again was groomed online by someone that the two of us knew online that turned out to be pedophile.Like i feel bad for this girl.She's autistic and has been groomed twice, its no wonder she's fucking trooning out of womanhood.I sadly feel like there's nothing i can do and just hope that she realizes that transitioning wont bring peace to herself.

Can you tell her that? Just as clear as you are telling us - 'Hey, you're being taken advantage of by a pedo. Maybe it's a good idea to take some time for yourself offline before committing to transitioning, because it's life changing.' No need to go into a discussion of trooning, just state facts. It might wake her up seeing it spelled out. If it doesn't help you lose nothing because your friendship will be over if she keeps trooning anyway.

 

[Jacques1194]

Can you tell her that? Just as clear as you are telling us - 'Hey, you're being taken advantage of by a pedo. Maybe it's a good idea to take some time for yourself offline before committing to transitioning, because it's life changing.' No need to go into a discussion of trooning, just state facts. It might wake her up seeing it spelled out. If it doesn't help you lose nothing because your friendship will be over if she keeps trooning anyway.

I did tell her that and she said she's staying away from online communities and said she's keeping herself busy with her school semester starting.She also said that she started a part time job at a volunteer center.Really hoping she can keep her mind off of everything.

 

[Aunt Carol]

She also said that she started a part time job at a volunteer center.Really hoping she can keep her mind off of everything.

This could go either way. It might be doing real work where it's needed with long-time volunteers who are concerned with really helping. It might be a cluster of dangerhairs having a day-long bitch session, engaging in organizational politics, and occasionally handing out a sandwich.

 

[Procrastinhater]

And I'm blocked. I told "Khai" I was kind of concerned about her sudden, fervent desire for top surgery when she's never expressed any discomfort with her breasts other than "big boobs are inconvenient when I work out" and wanting to start testosterone especially when she has current, poorly dealt with hormonal issues, and got paragraphs of how disappointing I am as a friend. Because I actually give a shit. Fuck this.

It's a Cult fren. It's impossible to reach someone once the Cult has their brain hooks into them without the sort of hardline deprogramming shit that the likes of Ted Patrick used to do, which would involve taking them off and isolating them from the Cult for as long as it takes for the brainwashing to break and to get them to see sense, and sadly in the current political climate with the Cult being protected by Government and Media, it would likely land you with kidnapping charges.
You did what you could. All you can hope is that if she comes to her senses she will remember you were one of the people who tried to warn her.
You're a good friend.
Sometimes being a good friend means telling a friend they are full of fucking shit and they are making a mistake.
I'm sorry really I am.
You tried, it's all you could do.

 

[Ed Special]

almost if they think its contagious

I mean, has this thread not shown that there is some amount of truth to the idea of mental illness being contagious?

 

[Procrastinhater]

I mean, has this thread not shown that there is some amount of truth to the idea of mental illness being contagious?

I don't know about all of them but troon insanity in particular is 100% a social contagion so maybe they're onto something.
Better safe than sorry.

 

[fenny]

It's a Cult fren. It's impossible to reach someone once the Cult has their brain hooks into them without the sort of hardline deprogramming shit that the likes of Ted Patrick used to do, which would involve taking them off and isolating them from the Cult for as long as it takes for the brainwashing to break and to get them to see sense, and sadly in the current political climate with the Cult being protected by Government and Media, it would likely land you with kidnapping charges.
You did what you could. All you can hope is that if she comes to her senses she will remember you were one of the people who tried to warn her.
You're a good friend.
Sometimes being a good friend means telling a friend they are full of fucking shit and they are making a mistake.
I'm sorry really I am.
You tried, it's all you could do.

I'm more upset than I expected to be, I guess. These people lovebombing her and calling dude and king don't know her. She's not thinking about how surgery is going to fuck up her enjoyment, maybe ability period, to lift weight and go to shows and and neither are they. She's just another faceless person to teach to parrot back the lines for when they crave validation too. I wish I could just stay mad about it.

 

[AMHOLIO]

I'm more upset than I expected to be, I guess. These people lovebombing her and calling dude and king don't know her. She's not thinking about how surgery is going to fuck up her enjoyment, maybe ability period, to lift weight and go to shows and and neither are they. She's just another faceless person to teach to parrot back the lines for when they crave validation too. I wish I could just stay mad about it.

Having strong feelings about this even though you knew it would likely happen just means you're human. Shit tends to hit harder than we like. Strong social bonds and emotions evolved for a reason, it's a-ok to be feeling shitty and upset, it just means you're good to others. You likely know that though, I just want to make sure you let yourself feel bad over losing people without blaming yourself on this.

 

[AfghanBlue]

I never posted an update to this, but it's been over a year and pretty much nothing has happened. She's not interested in taking meds or getting the surgeries or anything, it seems to purely be a fad thing, thank God. The biggest change is she has the dumbest haircut I have ever seen, but hey, teens are just like that. She told us she got the idea "from talking to people online" and her parents are keeping an eye on that. If it were my child I'd fucking delete Discord from her iPad (and she also wouldn't have an iPad) but her parents don't get the big deal with her "talking to her online friends."

I'm the only one in the family that doesn't play along with her shit, I'm not hostile about it but I "deadname" her to her face and I call her a she. She's never combative about it, because she isn't a rowdy teenage boy, she's a confused young woman going through rough times. She very obviously has developed body image issues and seems to be very self conscious about what she eats. All in all, I think she's just being a teenager, and as long as she gets steered clear of medical procedures she'll grow up to be a normal woman and remember this as a very cringe period of her life, like we all do with our teen years.

Just thought it'd be nice to drop a positive update for once. This thread doesn't get too many of those.

Man, YA GOTS to get them more up to speed on "her online friends".
This should about do it-

https://youtu.be/bLV2HX4rQ5A?si=uYk9q9mBbMaeTEvr

It's very thorough and more normie digestible than reading any threads here etc

 

[GoysGoneWild]

Pretty sure my male cousin is intent on trooning out. Pretty much every stereotype is fulfilled in him.
* Changed name to Norse/Roman/Greek mythological character
* Pretty effeminate looking anyway, never been in a gym in his life, probably disdains physical exertion.
* Dad not exactly a paragon of male vitality
* Asshole to people/self absorbed.
* Can't hold down a job, leaves because "people are jerks"
* Got kicked out because dad can't stand to be around him, now lives in condo financed by mom
* Heavy Discord user, Mom can tell is internet friends with abusive people

I'd *prefer* it if he didn't. But at this point, what is there to do with a terminally online Discord tranny wannabe who rejects everything masculine as stupid?
Never been close to that part of my family, but now we're going through this interesting rapprochement phase so it matters all of a sudden. Growing up, you always think your family is fucked up. I certainly did. But all me and my siblings got were some anger and slight anxiety issues that we've all more or less worked through by now. Trooning out was never an option. Wild.

 

[rotdoggy]

Obligatory newfag here. I've been lurking since 2016 and finally had a reason to make an account.

It's about my brother. I'm genuinely worried about him. He's pretty autistic but a smart guy, and he transferred over to a really nice university a year ago. Got away from our parent, who treated us like dogshit. He's gay, which isn't a surprise, but in discovering that he wound up in a huge group of gay furries. Lots of them are transgender. It's almost as bad as what I dealt with at the age of 14, being groomed into trannyism by troons. Only worse, because all his friends are furtards. He's already calling himself nonbinary and he's asked me about what makes someone trans. I don't want to push him away by being honest about what I think because he needs my support right now and he's extremely depressed. But watching my words and trying to carefully guide him back into being okay with normal gender nonconformity is just fucking difficult. He thinks he's not a man. Why? Because lots of men stink and don't clean or bathe, was his reasoning. That they're masculine and he doesn't feel masculine. I try to tell him that's just being a GNC gay and wanting people to have basic hygeine, but he doesn't get it. It's fucking insane. He's not yet to the point that he's spouting a bunch of tranny nonsense, but he's teetering too far into the cult. He has programmer socks, for fuck's sake.

He's my baby brother and these are his first "real" friends. I struggled a lot with this when I was coming to terms with my sexuality. It took me years to finally escape it because everyone I knew was some flavor of trans. They still are, and I'm not in a position where I can dump them yet, so I can't go mask off at all. The slightest wrong step would ruin everything, and he's stumbling right into the same situation. The troons that preyed on my discomfort with femininity are doing that to him, now.

 

[Manwithamask2]

The cult is whatever they say it is. Even if i say, your'e a homosexual male (and that is OK) not a troon, they would not listen

 

[Manwithamask2]

And even tough i despise the people that had my cousin troon out. I am not a hateful person, i cannot afford. hate But those troons that made my cousin "troon out". I hate them with all my heart and soul. I know i had a message in t the *good ones* thread in which i defended some troons. But at this moment i cannot feel anything but spite to them.

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

Lmao k here we go. Ready for a last installment? So I mentioned a while ago about things I said while not right in the head because of a mental break. I was actually trying to argue something else entirely and she kept bringing it back to the trans thing. Here's a verbatim quote: "I do not want to associate with someone who thinks that's okay. There was a very specific reason why I asked that boundary not to be crossed. Take some damn responsibility for doing that instead of deflecting and projecting." Gay context ahead.

Spoiler

if anyone is wondering what the fuck this is about, I was saying she was basically a shit friend because I really needed somebody and instead of just listening and then talking it out later, she immediately started tearing into me during a mental break. That quote was after I quite literally labeled everything she did that hurt, so it honestly made even less sense in context. It's one of those rare moments where the scolding actually sounds more coherent by itself because you can craft an arguement around it and have it make sense. I'm still incredibly confused.

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

Obligatory newfag here. I've been lurking since 2016 and finally had a reason to make an account.

It's about my brother. I'm genuinely worried about him. He's pretty autistic but a smart guy, and he transferred over to a really nice university a year ago. Got away from our parent, who treated us like dogshit. He's gay, which isn't a surprise, but in discovering that he wound up in a huge group of gay furries. Lots of them are transgender. It's almost as bad as what I dealt with at the age of 14, being groomed into trannyism by troons. Only worse, because all his friends are furtards. He's already calling himself nonbinary and he's asked me about what makes someone trans. I don't want to push him away by being honest about what I think because he needs my support right now and he's extremely depressed. But watching my words and trying to carefully guide him back into being okay with normal gender nonconformity is just fucking difficult. He thinks he's not a man. Why? Because lots of men stink and don't clean or bathe, was his reasoning. That they're masculine and he doesn't feel masculine. I try to tell him that's just being a GNC gay and wanting people to have basic hygeine, but he doesn't get it. It's fucking insane. He's not yet to the point that he's spouting a bunch of tranny nonsense, but he's teetering too far into the cult. He has programmer socks, for fuck's sake.

He's my baby brother and these are his first "real" friends. I struggled a lot with this when I was coming to terms with my sexuality. It took me years to finally escape it because everyone I knew was some flavor of trans. They still are, and I'm not in a position where I can dump them yet, so I can't go mask off at all. The slightest wrong step would ruin everything, and he's stumbling right into the same situation. The troons that preyed on my discomfort with femininity are doing that to him, now.

Ask him if he thinks being a man is only sexist stereotypes, because that's what those statements are. He's a gay man, he should know more than anyone not all men fit a mold. To force yourself into a mold is equally as stupid and forcing others into one.

 

[rotdoggy]

Ask him if he thinks being a man is only sexist stereotypes, because that's what those statements are. He's a gay man, he should know more than anyone not all men fit a mold. To force yourself into a mold is equally as stupid and forcing others into one.

He really should know better, and I fear it might be in part my fault. Back when I was ass-deep in the cult I believed myself to be a man thanks to stereotypes. I don't feel like a woman, I'm not feminine, and all sorts. It was a way to escape being gay. I talked about this with him, as he was the first person I came out to at the time. Hell of a bad mindset to live in, but as I got out of it I started to voice my changed opinions more often. Carefully, but I tried to make it as clear to him as possible that fitting outside of boxes is perfectly fine. He recently answered me with a shrug and an insistence that nonbinary still felt better when I mentioned his idea of men was only stereotypes. And besides that, he calls himself bisexual because he's been attracted to (thankfully pre-op) troons. Follows a lot of troon artists as well. Ridiculous garbage. I'd be far more frustrated if I didn't feel so protective of him.

I'm going to try again. Not only because I feel partially responsible for this, but because I worry about the people he now associates with. He's as straight-laced as straight-laced gets, but a lot of his friends and previous partners have been emotionally abusive and/or drug addicts. Typical for furries, really, but it's a dark path I want to help him get out of before it's too late.

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

He really should know better, and I fear it might be in part my fault. Back when I was ass-deep in the cult I believed myself to be a man thanks to stereotypes. I don't feel like a woman, I'm not feminine, and all sorts. It was a way to escape being gay. I talked about this with him, as he was the first person I came out to at the time. Hell of a bad mindset to live in, but as I got out of it I started to voice my changed opinions more often. Carefully, but I tried to make it as clear to him as possible that fitting outside of boxes is perfectly fine. He recently answered me with a shrug and an insistence that nonbinary still felt better when I mentioned his idea of men was only stereotypes. And besides that, he calls himself bisexual because he's been attracted to (thankfully pre-op) troons. Follows a lot of troon artists as well. Ridiculous garbage. I'd be far more frustrated if I didn't feel so protective of him.

I'm going to try again. Not only because I feel partially responsible for this, but because I worry about the people he now associates with. He's as straight-laced as straight-laced gets, but a lot of his friends and previous partners have been emotionally abusive and/or drug addicts. Typical for furries, really, but it's a dark path I want to help him get out of before it's too late.

We all make mistakes fren, I was early 20s when this shit kicked off in 2019, for a bit I was ADAMENT that I was nonbinary. You probably did too because you were young and impressionable, most of us were and remain so in aspects we aren't exposed to. I seriously wouldn't blame you at all if the worst does happen. Lets be real, if he's so easily led astray by one person, even if that person is family, they're probably on the gullible side.

 

[Lavender Moth]

He's as straight-laced as straight-laced gets, but a lot of his friends and previous partners have been emotionally abusive and/or drug addicts.

So was one of my best friends, then she became friends with a bunch of drug addict troon furries in college, became a nonbinary opioid addict, and now a little bit of her lives in an urn in my curio cabinet.

I wish I had advice for you other than to keep trying. Sounds like you are approaching it the right way, so all I really have other than my deepest condolences is to say: keep going. The best thing for these folks to have is someone who is loving but unafraid to wholeheartedly disagree. I wish you the best, and I hope you can pull him out of the shit before they convince him to cut all ties with "transphobes". I hope he realizes one day how lucky he is to have a sibling who cares so much for him.

 

[Baraadmirer]

Because lots of men stink and don't clean or bathe, was his reasoning.

Today I learned many homeless men and women are the pinnacle of masculinity.

 

[Manwithamask2]

Sorry for drunk posting, but this troon shit hits hard and to the home. When a father of 2 kids "decides" to be a woman there is something wrong. It's like this. "you are gay, no one cares, its 2020-2023¨. Just be gay, be all you want you to be, but don't troon out. Don't be seduced to the idea, that a homosexual male is automatically a "female". Hell i used to remember a time when gays, bisexuals and straights were all equal. And the only troons were what they all call truscum and they were 0.03 percent of the population.