Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[behindyourightnow]

None of it has anything to do with these childless adult Aidens either, and none of them were given SRS or hormone blockers when they were underage. Why take that away from kids? Are they envious?

Troons need trans children to exist and be centered and celebrated because trans children validate them. If children who have known they were trans since infancy exist, it "proves" that their own transitions were not just ROGD. If a pure and innocent child can experience gender dysphoria, then it "proves" that transitioning is not a sexual fetish. If a child can be transed young enough so that they appear to match the opposite, that "proves" that changing sex is possible. It's not really about the children at all, it's about them.

So yeah, it was pretty shitty. I'm glad that my tactic of just absolutely stonewalling has paid off in that he understands not to approach me anymore. And after this meeting neither of his allies will be attending anymore for a long time so I don't think I'll need to see him for ages. I think it's just very telling that even when he skeevs out every woman in the building, the men just don't give a fuck. He's a political token and the fact that he's creepy and doesn't pass and poisons the group as a whole is completely irrelevant in the face of that.

I think there is a particular kind of toxic male that is drawn to joining the Troon Defense Squad because either a) he unconsciously recognizes the male troon as a fellow incel being unfairly rejected by all these stuck-up bitches, and feels solidarity with him, or b) he jerks off to tranny porn and must constantly defend the "Trans women are women!" position so as not to admit to himself that he is aroused by fellow males.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Another aspect might be Internet friends vs IRL friends.

IRL friends were limited by geography. Kids used to only have access to the other kids in their neighborhood or school, so while there was still the ability to universally shun a smelly kid or a kid who sets fires, kids had to live with the smaller differences.

Not that pre-teens were routinely discussing politics, but I think that being able to have heated debate about dumb stuff like cartoon characters' relative power levels and still remain friends afterward is an ability that levels up with time into being able to have friends with differing opinions.

Online, your friends can be anyone from anywhere in the world! And any age or sex-offender status! If MacKenzie next door disagrees with you one way and Madison across the street takes an opposite tack, instead of trying to reconcile or get past all three viewpoints, you can talk to online friends instead. Easy to curate with a block button or unfollowing, or changing your own view to match with a community opinion when they agree with you on everything else.

It's a lesser version of that meme about how people with dumb fetishes kept it under their hat 50 years ago, but now you can find a whole community of toaster-fuckers and ruin your life.

The big aspect to me is that, with limited geography and kids, you may have a heated debate or legitimate arguments with kids on very specific issues, and you may even get into actual fights or have major problems one day or the other, but because you are forced to interact with them, because you may wind up playing a game of tag with them a week later due to forced proximity, you start to realize that people aren't just defined by one issue alone.

You may see that someone has actual redeeming traits in other areas, may have a some disagreeable opinions in one area or another, but you find that theyre actually pretty nice otherwise, are honorable enough, play games well enough socially, and are multi faceted.

"Steve may be an asshole because he constantly bring up that his dad is fighting in Iraq and anyone not in the military is a pussy, but if you get to other issues, hes actually pretty chill".

Most fujoshis probably wouldn’t get actively bullied because they are/were mostly good at keeping quiet about their habits around normies. But most of them would gradually grow out of it as life went on and they drifted towards other interests. Or else they compartmentalize it so it doesn’t take over their life. I know a few women in their late twenties or early thirties that I’m pretty sure still write and read fanfiction (as in, one is actively involved in admin in a big fanfiction site) but I say “pretty sure” because she keeps it separate and has a normal adult life besides that. I think that’s pretty typical for older people and fandom. They either lose interest or it becomes one interest among many because they have other life shit going on.

Would highlight, that at some point, most sensible people actually decide to be an adult, which comes with taking on adult responsibilities, which definitely mellows you out when you realize how much effort actually goes into ensuring that both the world and the average person's domestic life function.

Adult responsibilities, work, family, caring for your body, wanting to be left alone and for other people to leave you alone (which makes you appreciate being polite and cordial), etc should become more and more important.

You can still have your niche interests, but thats the thing- they should be niche and not the main focus of your entire life, due to the fact that you are forced into other activities as an adult and to behave in a social way that begets not interfering with other adults or being obnoxious, because you expect other adults not to be obnoxious around you.

Troons never become adults. Their niche interests are not niche to them, they are their entire lives. They don't worry about adult things, until its too late ("HELP HELP I HAVE TO PAY RENT, I HAVE TO PAY TAXES AND DIDNT PLAN FOR THIS, PLEASE DONATE TO ME"), and so their lives do not revolve around actual work, building an actual family, trying to make their own lives easier in a concrete way, etc. Their lives revolve around their fetish, their weird internet communities, and trying to shirk responsibilities which ironically only makes their lives even more difficult.

Its not shame that mellows out most adults. Its adulthood and realizing that you can't define your life by childish urges and have to actually act cordially and responsibly that mellows out most people. Most adults learn that "theres a time and place for your niche interests, keep them to yourself if they are asinine, because otherwise youre going to make your life and the lives of other adults more annoying and you would expect other adults to give you the same curtesy". That lesson flies by most troons, and there are reasons why its only manchildren or 50 year old adult men going through a midlife crisis and trying to shirk their responsibilities who troon out.

 

[AfghanBlue]

I'm not. Honestly at this point, it's been so long having friends like this (probably 6-7 years since this all started) that I'm used to it. I just know to keep my mouth bolted completely fucking shut. I highly doubt I'll ever get any friends where I can be myself and honest.

Plus I'm pretty sure any therapist would tell me I need to be more supportive of them because they're trans and victims in everything. I once had a therapist tell me she lost all respect for a client because she was a Trump supporter, and I figure this would go similarly.

Man, that’s a pathetic thing for a therapist to say, in so many ways it’s completely unprofessional.

Idk if you’re working already but maybe a change of field.
A normal, working class labouring job, where you are outside preferably and with regular people, friendships strike up and at the very least at least your life is a bit nicer through fresh air and movement.

Normal people at best dgaf about tranny shit- people willing to be loudly ott harsh about it go too much the other way and are often dicks in their own respect but the majority of adjusted healthy people you wanna get to know, are live and let, whcih is also an attitude that due to being non-nuerroic, doesn’t typically feed into the identity obsession that births trooning anyway, so it’s unlikely to come up in proximity to be dealt with personally/ therefore it’s easy to have the luxury not to have an opinion on people fucking their endocrine system.

I'm a detransitoner myself, and I'll probably share my experiences here someday, but right now I want to vent about my friend.

My friend is the exact type of person who would fall for this shit (and to be honest, so am I, although fortunately I snapped out of it). Young, autistic, depressed white male. Autistic people are particularly vulnerable to this because they often feel a disconnect from their bodies. He's this super tall and lanky goth guy with a horseface, he could never pass. Estrogen did nothing for him. He just looks the same as before, but with tits now.

You know, I didn't hate them before this. I didn't even think about them. But now I do. I hate them so much for grooming my already vulnerable friend and so many others into pursueing such a dangerous lifestyle. It really is like a cult. They think the UFO is going to come along and turn them and Marshall Trapplewhite into cute girls, and then when they realize it isn't going to happen, they kill themselves.

Now usually I wouldn't give a shit if he was happy and wasn't hurting anyone. But here's the thing. He isn't happy. He wasn't happy before, and he isn't now. Pretty much everyone who transitions has deep underlying psychological issues, ones that certainly will not be cured by sterilizing yourself and chopping off your genitals, that doctors are willing to ignore because they are corrupt and want your money. The medical industry is shameless about this. They see trans people as pawns and cash cows.

I am terrified that one day I'm going to wake up one day and find out that killed himself. He already expressed suicidal thoughts to me before he transitioned. In fact, I'm almost sure he will. As fucked up as it sounds, I've sort of come to peace with it now. I'm certain he would cut off all contact with me if I tried to convince him to stop. Not only would I be losing my friendship with him, there is also a risk of losing my career. See, we are both musicians involved in a tight-knit DIY scene that is very SJW, and if he's mad at me he could just make a tweet about me being transphobic and boom, everyone in the scene would distance themselves from me immediately.

I apologize for being overdramatic. But it really does feel like I've lost someone. I feel so helpless. It's like watching an Invasion Of The Bodysnatchers type scenario play out in real life.

Be patient with your DIY scene- for real, people are rapidly starting to see the light, and are getting more cautiously vocal about it.

The worst thing about ~anything shit happening, is the idea that it will go in forever.

I don’t think this will.
Soo many people are coming to their senses. I have seen this change in others as well as myself.
And like I say, people are talking.

Your Lia Thomas’s and Janivs really are good for something.

 

[Hepativore]

One thing that I have always wondered about, is that a lot of people in this thread including myself have had people who were your stereotypical IT types troon out, and this seems to be a very common phenomenon now among a lot of people in this particular culture/hobby. Is it because a lot of boys and men in this social sphere do not have interests that are not stereotypically "masculine" and so they troon out to be MTFs to combat their insecurities? Or is this also because a lot of people in the IT/gaming world tend to be romantically unsuccessful or lonely and try to adopt a female identity in order to be considered more socially approachable?

 

[AMHOLIO]

One thing that I have always wondered about, is that a lot of people in this thread including myself have had people who were your stereotypical IT types troon out, and this seems to be a very common phenomenon now among a lot of people in this particular culture/hobby. Is it because a lot of boys and men in this social sphere do not have interests that are not stereotypically "masculine" and so they troon out to be MTFs to combat their insecurities? Or is this also because a lot of people in the IT/gaming world tend to be romantically unsuccessful or lonely and try to adopt a female identity in order to be considered more socially approachable?

Depends on the person. Add "Is a Fetish from being Coombrained" and I'd say all 3 in different amounts are likely.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

I'm sorry to bother but I'm really struggling to find research that supports the view that cognitive therapy, basically just talking through, gender dysphoria is more affective or just as affective as hormone treatment and cosmetic surgeries.

I've looked through the Tranny Sideshows thread but it's so long. No matter how I word stuff on Google it only shows me how great hormones are.

That's because it's Google. It is used to push the narrative of current year and selects stuff to show you which does so. It shows biased results which push the narrative.

I'm always floored that people on here can't understand this shit. It's basic stuff.

Use DDG or Yandex or get thee onto TOR, for the love of God. But you ain't finding back shut if fuckall usefeul except how to guzzle BLM peen and how to troon your Son on Google.

Jesus fucking Christ I just found out today that my niece has announced she's a boy. She's 8. My sister's having a fucking meltdown. She knows this is fucked up but she doesn't know how to express it.

This little girl was insisting she was Elsa last year. Now she's saying she's a boy? She was always a bowsie because of her brothers (she's the only girl) but the school's fucking encouraging it? What the fuck do I do? What do I say? Jesus fuck.

What if my sister tells the school to fuck off? What will happen? Fuck fuck fuck I didn't think it would get this close.

EDIT: My sister's a good Mum. She doesn't let them on the internet. The boys have tablets that they're allowed to play Roblox on for a bit but only when my sister or her husband are in the room. Like it must have been the school, right? What the fuck do we do?

Get them out of that school. Now.

Home school, take a pay cut, whatever, but this is coming from the school and they will turn that child against your Sister. The school can and will involve the authorities depending on state, and your sister is so many shades of fucked if that happens.

 

[Vingle]

Home school, take a pay cut, whatever, but this is coming from the school and they will turn that child against your Sister. The school can and will involve the authorities depending on state, and your sister is so many shades of fucked if that happens.

Sounds nice and all, but sounds like she is in Murica. Where the pay is pretty shit, so she may have to work full-time or be homeless.

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

It's a cult. It has all the signs and symptoms. It's just a cult favoured by political types and medical health types, which makes it extremely fucking dangerous.

Pour one out for all the straight girls caught up in this bullshit. Tomboys no more.

Are there any trannies that is mentally sound other than Blaire White? It seems only miserable incels become part of the "cult".
I don't think Transgenderism in itself is a cult, but there are still many signs that a majority of trannies are brainwashed.
Like I feel like that out of all of them Blaire White is the only person who does have gender dysphoria on this planet.

 

[Neurotypical Mantis]

Are there any trannies that is mentally sound other than Blaire White? It seems only miserable incels become part of the "cult".
I don't think Transgenderism in itself is a cult, but there are still many signs that a majority of trannies are brainwashed.
Like I feel like that out of all of them Blaire White is the only person who does have gender dysphoria on this planet.

real dysphoric people are just much much rarer than they appear to be

 

[DenseDeerFather]

Troons need trans children to exist and be centered and celebrated because trans children validate them. If children who have known they were trans since infancy exist, it "proves" that their own transitions were not just ROGD. If a pure and innocent child can experience gender dysphoria, then it "proves" that transitioning is not a sexual fetish. If a child can be transed young enough so that they appear to match the opposite, that "proves" that changing sex is possible. It's not really about the children at all, it's about them.

It's ironic that they use the kids to validate their existence when the very concept of trans children highlights the opposite. It's no doubt some level of grooming and fetish-fuel imposed on the kids, disguised as "helping eggs hatch" or whatever
It reminds me of two things.
1) The Law and Order episode where a pair of twin boys were separated and one was forced to troon out, getting legit body dysmorphia and identity issues over being raised as a girl with a feminine name. Since it was Law and Order, the therapist, who forced him to troon out, probably forced himself on the poor kid.

At the end of the episode, the kid detransitions, and either he or his brother murders the therapist.

2) The David Reimer case where he was forced to live as a girl and imitate sex with his own brother by some hack psychologist.

Now one is a work of fiction but I think the second example is a good indicator why you don't force your kids to be something and it makes me actively angry when some dumbfuck tries to justify making their children trannies because "anything else is trans erasure"

Good, keep erasing that shit from the kids.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Are there any trannies that is mentally sound other than Blaire White? It seems only miserable incels become part of the "cult".
I don't think Transgenderism in itself is a cult, but there are still many signs that a majority of trannies are brainwashed.
Like I feel like that out of all of them Blaire White is the only person who does have gender dysphoria on this planet.

Mental illness is "great" because it tends to come with comorbid conditions, meaning if you have anxiety, you have a better chance than a non anxious person to also be depressed. Even if a person deals with true and honest gender dysphoria, they could have one or more other conditions that they find harder to control or make peace with.

People with preexisting mental illness and or neroatypical minds (autism and beyond) are more likely to be looking for a "cure" for whatever ails them. Sometimes, that perceived cure is trooning, but ironically it tends to make things worse if the person doesn't address the original issues they tried to cure. That is a destructive transition, a tragedy affecting people already vunerable. This shit bites is what I'm trying to say.

 

[DumbDude42]

I think it's just very telling that even when he skeevs out every woman in the building, the men just don't give a fuck. He's a political token and the fact that he's creepy and doesn't pass and poisons the group as a whole is completely irrelevant in the face of that.

what else did you expect from these types lel

"Two men in the group encouraged it - the biggest losers, one a famed two-time cuck who uses "queer" liberally, acts like he Speaks For The Gays despite being very straight, and whose past two steady relationships resolved in him getting cheated on or smouldering out into a brief """open relationship""". The other a drunk whose closest friends are a furry in a polycule and a pair of 'nonbinaries.'

like, think about what type of man unironically uses "queer" as anything except an insult, think about what type of man would willingly associate with furries and poly degenerates. these probably are not far away from trooning out themselves.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

I have known only one person to troon out and I'm still confused by it. My cousin's ex-spouse was actually fun to talk to and hang around with because we had similar tastes in entertainment, but I had noticed something amiss when he all but disappeared from family photographs on Facebook around 2020. It didn't bother me at first because I was dealing with my own issues at the time. Then my cousin messages me last September to tell me that Tom had become Tess and had been transitioning since March 2020. Since then I noticed that my cousin is now seeing someone else so I assume that the marriage dissolved under circumstances known only to her and the immediate family. It worries me somewhat as they have a 10-year-old kid with autism and hemophilia, so I worry if "Tess" walked out.

It shouldn't terribly surprise me that the ex-spouse trooned out as his politics were far-left. I'm not convinced the he had true gender dysmorphia and had succumbed to the wiles of the cult, but it's no longer my concern if "she" is no longer in the family.

 

[retard strength]

Trans people (FOLXZ) who abandon their family to chase the fetish have a special place in Hell.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

I've known a few to troon out, even in the mid 2000s to be honest, and theres definitely a lot of contrasts overall.

Spoiler: Irl troons

First person I knew was a TiF I met in the mid 2000s before all this gender bending stuff became much more mainstream. Political things wern't attached to the issue of trans-people then (insofar as "lets legalize gay marriage") and I remember them being normal enough. They could be a bit partial to the language being used around them ("Hay, don't call things you dont like gay"), but honestly, it was more bemusing than it was asinine because some people might humor that from time to time, but most just didn't care and it never became much of a big issue because gay or trans issues were so niche back then.

Said TiF called themselves Dante, had a short haircut, actually did look masculine enough (them being a very chubby happa probably helped) and I met them because they were dating a lesbian friend of mine.

Looking back now, its a bit amusing to think of a TIF dating a lesbian, because by our current trans standards that should be a heterosexual relationship when back then everyone just considered them to be lesbians and they seemed to as well, even with Dante having TiF status.

The other person I knew to troon out in real life was another person in high school, this time a TiM, who during the mid 2000s was basically a Bryan Silva ripoff (the "gra ta ta" guy). I always considered him to be sort of an insecure, if nice, idiot and the transitioning thing came totally out of left field.

He seemed to lack any sort of default personality, sans stereotypes, so as soon as he came out as trans you can guess that he took on the most stereotypical feminine traits he could possibly take on, pro sex work stuff as well. The contrast with Dante is that, for a guy with basically zero political or intellectual awareness in the 2000s, he got very political about trans rights as soon as he came out. It seems as if for trans people today, advocating for "trans rights" and inserting trans politics into basically everything is a must have. I miss the days where if I met a trans person, I didn't have to be wary of the almost inevitable probability that interacting with them will result in a constant slew of political jargon or pushes shoved into every interaction we have going forth.

For online troons, Ive met a lot, and could see the contrast in times more prominently through them.

Spoiler: Online troons

First troon I knew online was a neet before trooning out, and heavily into Nietzsche. Interesting guy, lots of emotional and social problems, literally never left his bedroom and had some health problems. He lived too vicariously online, and his online persona and issues became his entire life. I think that he was an AGP and used to larp as women in online video games, so in hindsight, it seems almost inevitable that he would troon out.

Guessing that his irl problems have not been fixed, and likely have only gotten worse.

Second online troon I've known, was another neet and a fascist before trooning out. They were interesting, I used to actually engage in talks, debates, etc with them and because I believed in free speech "look, I dont agree with their fascist shit, but theyre free to discuss how they like Mussolini if they want, and its something we can argue or debate about if need be". As soon as they trooned out, you can guess that they became a "saying anything against troons is hate speech person" and completely turned the other cheek.

Ive known others as well in various communities, but they typically follow the same trend. The former nazi-incel-neet to troon pipeline is very, very real, and these are the most asinine troons to run into online, and seem to make up the bulk of troon twitter activists.

Even the non AGP troons and old leftist troons I used to know took on most of the idpol stuff and just fell to the group think

Trans twitter seems to be its own beast its well.

Old troon friend who told me once that they regretted it, but who for one reason or another literally will not stop gobbling groupthink, even to their own detriment.

You can guess that the UBI thing basically means theyre a neet, they are for free speech except when its against the liberals, love the NDP in Canada, hate the truckers, are way too into anime and anime girls, etc. Looking at them now, there's so many problems in their life that they keep inadvertibly aiding, it just baffles me.

"Why is oil so expensive"
>Bruh, you constantly go on about how oil bad, protest against oil pipelines, vote for politicians who curb back on them, etc

They've told me that they regret their transition and that twitter constantly cheered them on when they were doing it, they constantly regret cutting off their dick, they waver between being a detransitioner then when they lose troon followers its back to "TRANS RIGHTS, TRANS RIGHTS, IM A WOMAN"

Scheduled posts about their problems from surgery, ironic things about how, in said thread "it was easy to get life affirming trans surgery, but I can't fix my eyes because of 2% risk of complications? Clownworld!"

Which is ironic, because I took the opposite conclusion from him- that maybe the problem isn't that drastic surgery needs to be easier to get because its consistent, but that transitioning surgery needs to be more difficult to get and that it is indeed a clown world, because surgeons likely recognize this too, but politics took over medicine long ago.

I wish theyd develop an inner voice that maybe theyd listen to every once in awhile, because I hate the "I told you so moments" like when I told them that they should wait on cutting off their junk because theyre terminally online, and then regretted the procedure, but this is just getting most of this off my chest

 

[AfghanBlue]

Just found out the gay kid at my college is going into the girl's bathrooms just to talk to his friends. This isn't Mean Girls you fucking dick. I am going to drag you by your crusty ass hair tf out. I can't complain bc u kno he's gon pull that "I'm trans" bs.

Tbh we don’t really care about the gays, in general.

@AssignedEva man, that is fucking bad.
Out of the school, now.
Do whatever you, personally can to help- get leave from work and be around to help out for a month or so- that’s all it will take, if that, to home school the kid a while, then I next is a new school once the idea passes and she won’t bring it up to them- maybe a catholic school or something like that, less likely to be having troon assembly’s

If u stick her in a different school while she’s still on this trip they will just affirm too, so she needs a while, but not too long.
Fuck maybe even send em off abroad on some cheap backpacking holiday, rent a car and camp around Europe or whatever whilst telling officials they are homeschooling-Air BnB the house for money- kids are smart and will probably notice that soemthing like this is in the offing, so a big distraction is needed / “reason” for why she’s suddenly not in school, then different school when she’s back.

Straight up, a change of scenery and distraction /different way of living will really clear her head of this.
But at the very least, out of that school-
And don’t look at it as a “fuck this is for the next 10 years” or whatever- it really will only take a short while devoid of the support form school.

What’s the betting they had a gender special assembly or soemthing and fuck knows how many of her classmates family’s got the same announcement over tea that night.

 

[Jimmy Olsen]

Spoiler: Muh life story

Looking at all the 'trans kid' crap now, I am really glad I grew up with a mother that didn't buy into that shit. While I still had plenty of girly interests as a small child (liked to play with kiddy makeup, liked sparkly stuff), I was significantly more boyish than my peers. My favourite toys were cars, my dream job was masculine, I was always trying to wrestle with someone, I read boys books, liked gross things, and I would've walked around without a shirt if my parents hadn't (responsibly) forced me to put one on. I liked catching bugs and playing in mud, that sort of thing.

Of course, being a responsible parent, and having been more boyish than me growing up, my mother just let me be a tomboy. When I hit my teens I realized I wasn't a heterosexual, but I never had any gender problems or saw myself as anything but female.

Now I'm watching little girls being TRANSITIONED for the same behaviour I displayed, and vice versa with boys who are a bit more feminine or sensitive being transed into girls. It scares me shitless that the typical variation of behaviour you see in childhood is now being pathologized as some sort of gender dysphoria. I've got a young male cousin who is more feminine (likes dolls, etc) and I am so relieved that his mother is the type to allow him these interests without ever considering trying to transition him. It's more likely he's going to be a gay male as an adult (though you can't be sure of these things), but he's not a girl. Trust me, for the most part he acts like a typical little boy. He's a good kid. I give him my old Barbies.

That brings me to another point. The social justice crowd is all about gay rights, right? Well, what the hell are they doing sterilizing troubled homo/bisexuals and children who are more likely than average to become that way as adults (since there is some correlation between childhood behaviour and adult sexuality, though it isn't something someone should assume just because a boy is feminine or a girl masculine)? Remember when the idea of mutilating gay people was a BAD thing? They're taking kids who would've most likely grown up to be healthy homosexuals, and sterilizing them into asexuality. These boys who get female hormones never sexually develop properly, just look at Jazz Jennings.

The percentage of trans people who exist now doesn't line up at all to the percentage ten years ago. But you know what it does line up to closer? The percentage of homosexuals and bisexuals. Not many people are trans. A lot of people (though still a minority) aren't hetero.

But doctors don't make big profits off of gays, now do they? Transgenders are walking cash cows. Besides, being gay isn't special anymore, and people, ESPECIALLY TEENAGERS, want to feel special and important.

Basically, all the carrots and sticks are in the wrong direction.

 

[Ethereal Eye]

Spoiler: Muh life story

Looking at all the 'trans kid' crap now, I am really glad I grew up with a mother that didn't buy into that shit. While I still had plenty of girly interests as a small child (liked to play with kiddy makeup, liked sparkly stuff), I was significantly more boyish than my peers. My favourite toys were cars, my dream job was masculine, I was always trying to wrestle with someone, I read boys books, liked gross things, and I would've walked around without a shirt if my parents hadn't (responsibly) forced me to put one on. I liked catching bugs and playing in mud, that sort of thing.

Of course, being a responsible parent, and having been more boyish than me growing up, my mother just let me be a tomboy. When I hit my teens I realized I wasn't a heterosexual, but I never had any gender problems or saw myself as anything but female.

Now I'm watching little girls being TRANSITIONED for the same behaviour I displayed, and vice versa with boys who are a bit more feminine or sensitive being transed into girls. It scares me shitless that the typical variation of behaviour you see in childhood is now being pathologized as some sort of gender dysphoria. I've got a young male cousin who is more feminine (likes dolls, etc) and I am so relieved that his mother is the type to allow him these interests without ever considering trying to transition him. It's more likely he's going to be a gay male as an adult (though you can't be sure of these things), but he's not a girl. Trust me, for the most part he acts like a typical little boy. He's a good kid. I give him my old Barbies.

That brings me to another point. The social justice crowd is all about gay rights, right? Well, what the hell are they doing sterilizing troubled homo/bisexuals and children who are more likely than average to become that way as adults (since there is some correlation between childhood behaviour and adult sexuality, though it isn't something someone should assume just because a boy is feminine or a girl masculine)? Remember when the idea of mutilating gay people was a BAD thing? They're taking kids who would've most likely grown up to be healthy homosexuals, and sterilizing them into asexuality. These boys who get female hormones never sexually develop properly, just look at Jazz Jennings.

The percentage of trans people who exist now doesn't line up at all to the percentage ten years ago. But you know what it does line up to closer? The percentage of homosexuals and bisexuals. Not many people are trans. A lot of people (though still a minority) aren't hetero.

But doctors don't make big profits off of gays, now do they? Transgenders are walking cash cows. Besides, being gay isn't special anymore, and people, ESPECIALLY TEENAGERS, want to feel special and important.

Basically, all the carrots and sticks are in the wrong direction.

You've hit the nail on the head in regards to what I'm thinking. In fact, I can't even pretend that transgenderism isn't the most sexist bullshit in the modern era. All the way down to the very concept, it is incredibly disgusting and honestly takes a massive shit on any attempts to get away from gender norms. "I feel like a girl", or "I feel like a boy". So, you mean to tell me that being a guy or a girl is linked to something material like enjoying barbie dolls or nailpolish or monster trucks? Isn't that basically gender stereotyping? Some of these trannies were groomed growing up, and it is clear that they would be 1000% happier if they had a proper role model in their life that told them that they can still enjoy being a man or a woman regardless of their interests.
You a man who enjoys dressing in clothing, nail polish, growing your hair out, and looking your best in a stylish way? Great! You can still be proud of being a man, and embrace who you are without any fucked up operations. You a woman who enjoys more masculine activities? Great! You are still a woman deserving of love and respect. Transgenderism has to be, without a doubt, the biggest blow to the LGB community, and trying to get away from gender norms in society as a whole. It is something that far-lefties dont realize is enabling everything they've claimed to advocate against.

 

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You've hit the nail on the head in regards to what I'm thinking. In fact, I can't even pretend that transgenderism isn't the most sexist bullshit in the modern era. All the way down to the very concept, it is incredibly disgusting and honestly takes a massive shit on any attempts to get away from gender norms. "I feel like a girl", or "I feel like a boy". So, you mean to tell me that being a guy or a girl is linked to something material like enjoying barbie dolls or nailpolish or monster trucks? Isn't that basically gender stereotyping? Some of these trannies were groomed growing up, and it is clear that they would be 1000% happier if they had a proper role model in their life that told them that they can still enjoy being a man or a woman regardless of their interests.
You a man who enjoys dressing in clothing, nail polish, growing your hair out, and looking your best in a stylish way? Great! You can still be proud of being a man, and embrace who you are without any fucked up operations. You a woman who enjoys more masculine activities? Great! You are still a woman deserving of love and respect. Transgenderism has to be, without a doubt, the biggest blow to the LGB community, and trying to get away from gender norms in society as a whole. It is something that far-lefties dont realize is enabling everything they've claimed to advocate against.

Yup- Th e biggest irony is that it is the biggest manifestation of heteronormativity.

Taking gays and making em face the right way, cos that can’t be right.
The docs and the parents orientate they that way, then the venom the troons themselves spit towards the “privileged” straights and lesbians..

It’s so ironic that despite all the theory they spit they don’t see this - troons often come SO close to seeing things clearly- and it would Indeed be obvious to them, if this wasn’t the most narcissistic generation ever and people could see beyond the end of their noses- people aren’t narcs in an intrinsic, Damn Kids, way/ it’s literally just the result of everyone being their own little celebrity online, having a Public facing persona in the form of whatever soc media.

But yeah; ironies in ironies

 

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Spoiler: Muh life story

Looking at all the 'trans kid' crap now, I am really glad I grew up with a mother that didn't buy into that shit. While I still had plenty of girly interests as a small child (liked to play with kiddy makeup, liked sparkly stuff), I was significantly more boyish than my peers. My favourite toys were cars, my dream job was masculine, I was always trying to wrestle with someone, I read boys books, liked gross things, and I would've walked around without a shirt if my parents hadn't (responsibly) forced me to put one on. I liked catching bugs and playing in mud, that sort of thing.

Of course, being a responsible parent, and having been more boyish than me growing up, my mother just let me be a tomboy. When I hit my teens I realized I wasn't a heterosexual, but I never had any gender problems or saw myself as anything but female.

Now I'm watching little girls being TRANSITIONED for the same behaviour I displayed, and vice versa with boys who are a bit more feminine or sensitive being transed into girls. It scares me shitless that the typical variation of behaviour you see in childhood is now being pathologized as some sort of gender dysphoria. I've got a young male cousin who is more feminine (likes dolls, etc) and I am so relieved that his mother is the type to allow him these interests without ever considering trying to transition him. It's more likely he's going to be a gay male as an adult (though you can't be sure of these things), but he's not a girl. Trust me, for the most part he acts like a typical little boy. He's a good kid. I give him my old Barbies.

That brings me to another point. The social justice crowd is all about gay rights, right? Well, what the hell are they doing sterilizing troubled homo/bisexuals and children who are more likely than average to become that way as adults (since there is some correlation between childhood behaviour and adult sexuality, though it isn't something someone should assume just because a boy is feminine or a girl masculine)? Remember when the idea of mutilating gay people was a BAD thing? They're taking kids who would've most likely grown up to be healthy homosexuals, and sterilizing them into asexuality. These boys who get female hormones never sexually develop properly, just look at Jazz Jennings.

The percentage of trans people who exist now doesn't line up at all to the percentage ten years ago. But you know what it does line up to closer? The percentage of homosexuals and bisexuals. Not many people are trans. A lot of people (though still a minority) aren't hetero.

But doctors don't make big profits off of gays, now do they? Transgenders are walking cash cows. Besides, being gay isn't special anymore, and people, ESPECIALLY TEENAGERS, want to feel special and important.

Basically, all the carrots and sticks are in the wrong direction.

I remember reading something about how transgenderism is more tolerated in societies that reject homosexuality. In Iran homosexuality is strictly forbidden but the state would subsidize gender reassignment surgeries, they still see it as mental illness but more worthy of tolerance and than those sinful gays, think something similar happens in India. Brazilian hood culture can be very homophobic but trans people are very normalized there so trooning is more of an strategy for affeminate gay men to get around it. People would rather they turn into a normative stereotype of a woman rather than be a man who fucks dudes.