Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Appletuncrusader]

Last week I lost a really good friend of about a decade. I peeped his profile on a social media page, and clear as day it says "they/them" and he's listed as some ultrafeminine counterpart to his real name. I'm pretty sensitive and perceptive about this kinda shit so I made the horrible mistake of asking him what the fuck is up.
He tells me all these things like
>he hates his gross man body and his hairy face and his annoying voice
>he gets "really good" about "presenting more feminine"
>he was mistaken for a woman by a woman because of his profile pic being an anime girl (??????)
>he was dabbling in voice training
This smells like AGP but also like he's looking for some way to fix himself and is misguided. He also told me he rarely groomed himself or shaved at all and barely worked out anymore. I think men can feel awkward in their skin without wanting to be a woman, so I dunno what his deal was.
Anyway, I knew the guy for so long and never expected this outta him 'cause we used to talk about art and our relationships with women and advice for shit like that. At a certain point I tell him to stop explaining cause I was getting sick. Then suddenly I'm the bad guy and he starts to ask me all these questions and tell me all this shit about "human rights" and "being seen the way we want" and "just existing" and threatened to cut ties with me because I said nobody can change their sex/gender no matter what they feel. It wasn't until he said I should "Be better" that I cut it off for him. Really sorry to turn this into a blogpost, I was kinda hoping I wouldn't have to use this thread again. It's all over now though, I'll keep being a man while he goes down his AGP fantasy I guess.

 

[Ser Prize]

GOOD NEWS!!! About a year ago I made a post here about a GNC friend from high school who ended up trooning out (FTM). They were also obsessed with anime boys and yaoi.

It's been about 4 years since they "came out" and they are now detransitioning! It wasn't a big announcement but I heard from mutual friends that they were just kinda confused about the whole thing and wanted to pause treatment.

They've gone from He/him to they/them apparently, and they refer to themselves as a woman on their snapchat story recently. Unfortunately they were on T for most of those 4 years but I really am relieved that they didn't go further. They seem to just be enjoying life as a GNC woman.

While she probably won't, I hope she does sue the scumbags who did this to her soon. Teachers at school also played a big part love bombing her.

But yeah. There is still hope.

Hope she sues the doctors for sterilizing her if she does fully kick the mind parasite, too.

 

[Space_Dandy]

My ex boyfriends keep trooning out and it makes me question most of what’s happened in my life.

Always thought it was nice to be cool and accepting with guys and their sexuality until I learned that bisexual seems to be code for “will willingly wear wear women’s underwear and fuck trannies”.

Almost ended up a trans widow but thank fuck he waited until we were divorced to take the plunge and become the ugliest goddamn woman I’ve seen.

If I wasn’t already married there would be a whole host of “red flag” checklists I’d have to go through with men.
Anime, being coom brained, liking “feeling pretty”, anime, autism.
Also a nice tip: tell any man you’re serious about that if you get married, he will be a buried as a male with a male name on his tombstone.

That seems to work well to weed things out.

Wow.. thanks for sharing. I know what you mean about questioning everything, because sometimes you think you know someone so well until its clear that you don't. I'm glad to hear that you are married now and found someone real. Some of these stories tragically end with someone giving up on love entirely.

Its interesting how you list anime as a red flag twice. Looking at my own circle, nearly every single anime fan is mentally or socially dysfunctional to some noticeable degree. In my younger years I was enthusiastic about anime, but grew out of it over time. I think noticing the growing chasm of real life experience and maturity between myself and other adult anime fans hastened the change. I had nobody to talk to about it that I actually enjoyed being around. Also red flags of sorts within anime itself stared being more noticeable to me, mainly with regards to just how time consuming it is designed to be. Long-runners, manga tie ins, vast expanded universes... most working, married adults (with kids no less) don't want to spend what little free time they have on such things. And shallowness... it's like vast quantity for no point, no payoff, just to waste time.

Its designed for autistic unemployed people, basically.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Wow.. thanks for sharing. I know what you mean about questioning everything, because sometimes you think you know someone so well until its clear that you don't. I'm glad to hear that you are married now and found someone real. Some of these stories tragically end with someone giving up on love entirely.

Its interesting how you list anime as a red flag twice. Looking at my own circle, nearly every single anime fan is mentally or socially dysfunctional to some noticeable degree. In my younger years I was enthusiastic about anime, but grew out of it over time. I think noticing the growing chasm of real life experience and maturity between myself and other adult anime fans hastened the change. I had nobody to talk to about it that I actually enjoyed being around. Also red flags of sorts within anime itself stared being more noticeable to me, mainly with regards to just how time consuming it is designed to be. Long-runners, manga tie ins, vast expanded universes... most working, married adults (with kids no less) don't want to spend what little free time they have on such things. And shallowness... it's like vast quantity for no point, no payoff, just to waste time.

Its designed for autistic unemployed people, basically.

Its mostly moe and hentai, those two things broke anglo weebs.

 

[Ser Prize]

Its mostly moe and hentai, those two things broke anglo weebs.

Never trust someone with an anime girl avatar.

Always trust someone with a kenshiro avatar.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Its mostly moe and hentai, those two things broke anglo weebs.

"Two nukes weren't enough" - American patriot after weebs elect a JAV idol to the presidency.

I may have lost another person to transdom by chance yesterday.... Writeup soon.

 

[Baraadmirer]

Never trust someone with an anime girl avatar.

Well then...

 

[Ser Prize]

Well then...

I said what I said. I won't take it back.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

So I think I lost a 2nd person to the cult. Not quite sure yet but 75%+ sure. Kinda sad since it was a really close friend. I probably should've seen it coming when they told me they went into poly-sci as a collegiate degree and started going "eh, whatever" and "I don't really have hobbies".

Basically male, manlet (4'9"), weeb, gamer, poly-sci major. I'll let you guess if was the Discord-tranny pipeline or not.
It really irks me that every fucking "poly-sci" major I see doesn't have life plans, but considering half of my major (Agriculture related, high demand) did not get a job, I'm not sure if this is a malaise of the college education system in general or just society-at-large.

 

[Misanthrope]

I've been checking this tread every now and then out of morbid curiosity and happy to report I have no experience with any of this. Though I am mortified by the sheer number of replies here!

So erh.. is all this a uniquely American phenomenon? Over here in [undisclosed fairly liberal country on the other side of the Atlantic] I don't know a single trans person, directly or indirectly. Absolutely zero. In fact, I don't remember the last time even seeing one in real life (maybe I don't go outside enough).

Is your tap-water really that saturated with freaky chemicals over there? Is it the atrocious diets of so many Americans? Is it the horrendous public school system and the infiltration of more and more SJW-staff over the years? Or simply the overexposure in all forms of (social) media, by corporations, etc? For instance, over here "Pride-stuff" only get a single day dedicated to it or a maybe weekend at best, certainly not an entire month.

All of the above? Not trying to be silly.. Obviously transgenders do exist over here, but it's exceptionally rare, as it's always been. I'm just not seeing an explosion of cases here (yet), like in the U.S. Please enlighten me my American friends!

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

I've been checking this tread every now and then out of morbid curiosity and happy to report I have no experience with any of this. Though I am mortified by the sheer number of replies here!

So erh.. is all this a uniquely American phenomenon? Over here in [undisclosed fairly liberal country on the other side of the Atlantic] I don't know a single trans person, directly or indirectly. Absolutely zero. In fact, I don't remember the last time even seeing one in real life (maybe I don't go outside enough).

Is your tap-water really that saturated with freaky chemicals over there? Is it the atrocious diets of so many Americans? Is it the horrendous public school system and the infiltration of more and more SJW-staff over the years? Or simply the overexposure in all forms of (social) media, by corporations, etc? For instance, over here "Pride-stuff" only get a single day dedicated to it or a maybe weekend at best, certainly not an entire month.

All of the above? Not trying to be silly.. Obviously transgenders do exist over here, but it's exceptionally rare, as it's always been. I'm just not seeing an explosion of cases here (yet), like in the U.S. Please enlighten me my American friends!

Troonisim is not inherently American, but I think In America many things "express" as troonisim (No life, groomed, depressed et al.) versus China/Europe where I think where a "troon" is more of a niche expression (Only people with actual dysphoria) in addition to the inherent "freedom" the US has over Europe in the "identification" sphere.

...God some of the bullying shit I've seen in China gives me nightmares as an American, thank god for firearms.

Spoiler: NSFL story

The one incident that comes to mind is where some girls were bullying another girl by stripping her naked and shoving a Beibingyang (think glass coke bottle but longer and different brand) up her vaginia while beating her and then posting the video online.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

Does losing authors to transgenderism count in this thread? Because every new book I've read in the past year HAS to have someone with they/them pronouns. In sci-fi and fantasy, like maybe I could squint and pretend it's justified. But I just read a goddamn KIDS book with a they/thembie in it. By a megapopular author too. Fuck's sake. All I can do is maybe write a letter to the author or publisher. But that feels as effective as farting in the wind.

This. Fucking. Bullshit.

I can't wait until we get to the point where we look back at this this way some people look back on dirty hippies. Like it's real cool until you can smell the mental illness, dependence on drugs, and lack of hygiene.

Unless they're a Siphonophorae, there's no reason you should refer to someone as they/them.

 

[Wallace]

What's interesting is the disappearance of the "Masculine gays" from culture. I'm not sure how to explain it, but gachimuchi is a great example. When's the last time you saw a flaming gay homosexual who could change his own oil and didn't look/act like an effeminate faggot with twig arms? Right now its more like a 100:1 ratio of faggots to these "masculine" gays who are actually men attracted to men and not effeminate men pretending to be women.

Try Provincetown on Cape Cod.

 

[Roxanne Wolf]

I've been keeping eyes on this thread for awhile because part of me knew it would be inevitable that I would need to change my poll answer from "1" to "2". As much as I did not want this day to come, it is here. I wish I could say my heart sank, but part of me knew this always had a chance of happening. Before I continue I would like to say that I am still catching up to this thread and for every story of loss, a small prayer is said. To all my friends here who have lost people to transgenderism, I empathize and pray.
As a note, Power-Leveling will be ISpoiler'd like so.

Spoiler: Person #1 - Short Post

To preface this, person #1 was an acquaintance at best, all I know about them is that their social media showed a life full of happiness. But when it comes to life at home (I am friends with #1's roommate) it is mostly spent in his bedroom, on VR chat with a chaser on the other side of the country. Person #1 is not the topic of my post today.

Spoiler: Person #2 - Long Post

Today I now officially mourn the loss of a man I have known for ten years (who I will refer to as person #2) - someone that I knew growing up at 15, he a year younger. It was one of those friendships that start on a multiplayer game (In the olden days of Xbox360 & Xbox Live) and blossoms into an online best-friendship. We had a lot in common, he and I both homosexuals, both furfags (yhea, I get it but fr it was strictly platonic), both more than casual gamers and we both loved outdoor activities. I can still remember him telling me how excited he was whenever he'd have time to go out on the dunes, and I'd always be excited to see what pictures he took and vice-versa. We kept in touch a lot during highschool, in which he had problems at home with how his parents treated him due to his sexuality, on top of a neurological issue that required daily medication. I would always try and be there for him, and as we grew up I saw took it a lot less hard from his family on the matter of his sexuality, such as not being afraid to explore it.

Never in the time I have known him did he ever mention anything about feeling like he was the wrong sex - he was very flamboyant but showed no signs of AGP, actual gender dysphoria or anything that would put him down the path of the trans cult. Back to the timeline, As college came into his life and the workforce into mine, we talked less and less regularly. It became an adult friendship, one where you think about a friend or they think about you, shoot you a message to see how life is going, a small game of catch-up is played and that's good enough until the elusive opportunity of free time shows itself again. When I knew he was online but busy with his classes, I'd take a peek at his twitter to see on the fly how things were in his world. As he got closer and closer to graduation, the cracks started to show. Painted nails, which was never something he was interested in before, a new partner who was also a man, more and more tweets that were motivated by depression, etc. By the time it was year one after COVID began, I saw on his profile the one thing that I knew was the beginning of the end for people like him - he had commissioned art of his fursona to be that of a female.

After that, it snowballed with terms such as gender dysphoria, saying he wasn't actually gay, following others who would hugbox him and using NB terms. The handful of times we spoke during the year he never mentioned any of this, even when he would pop in for gaming sessions or just to talk there was no different voice, no different name, no pronouns, just the high energy flamboyant guy I remember him always being. Recently, I tried to play another one of those games of catch-up like adults do, and first thing I got from him was that he is trans, has been using female pronouns for a year (which was not the impression I had) and is now going by a female (troon-like) name.

Personally, my speculation is that he hated himself for his homosexuality, that he so badly wanted to conform to what his parents wanted. I believe he was so ashamed he chose instead of being a gay man, he felt being a "straight" transwoman was an out, a way to conform without having to let go of his attraction, even though I am 100% sure his parents would agree that the path he chose is worse.

I am just as transmisic as ever now, I know for a fact the people he involved himself with outside of the people I know planted the seed of doubt in his head, only to water it with hugboxing and keeping him in an echo chamber.

I told him he's still my friend, still the sweet person I met on Xbox who I'll still share photos of my adventures with. Secretly I am praying, pleading to God that this is a situation similar to the prodigal son, where he will realize that the rapid onset gender dysphoria was never truly who he was, and ceases entertaining the groomers that have taken him down this path.

No mention of HRT so far, but should he mention that he is thinking about it, I will have to start being honest with him, that he shouldn't make himself more of a lifelong patient than he already is due to neurological issues, that he doesn't need to mutilate and change his body to match what others might see his personality as. I don't know friends, I had time to prepare, tried to probe here and there before the cracks became as deep as they are, and with all my opportunity and preparedness I still see that he has lost himself.

I know nothing can be done about this, no magic words can change or stop it. Being able to at least be honest here is nice.

 

[Juju Makes a Man]

Oh God, it's too late for her. I tried to see if I could sow some seeds of doubt in my friend from my previous post, but I think I should just give up. She's too far in. This is what is happening to this generation of girls and women. Deluded into thinking injecting poison (cause that's what testosterone is to the female body) will alleviate serious mental illness. She even knows it'll be shit, but she's still going to do it. All before she's even 25. "It's genetics that will determine X" Seeing this in real time is so jarring. I want to tell her not to do this, show here the SRS thread, beg her to question it, but I don't think she'll believe me. If it wasn't for me feigning ignorance, she'd call me a TERF. Never did I think this horror would effect me like this.

Edit: Spelling and good God, it only got worse

 

[Skitarii]

My childhood friend wanted to be a transformer, does that count?

 

[Aunt Carol]

Oh God. It's too late for her. I tried to see if I could show some seeds of doubt in my friend from my previous post, but I think I should just give up. She's too far in. This is what is happening to this generation of girls and women. Deluded into thinking injecting poison (cause that's what testosterone is to the female body) will alleviate serious mental illness. She even knows it'll be shut, but she's still going to do it. All before she's even 25. "It's genetics that will determine X" Seeing this in real time is so jarring. I want to tell her not to do this, show here the SRS thread, beg her to question it, but I don't think she'll believe me. If it wasn't for me feigning ignorance, she'd call me a TERF. Never did I think this horror would effect me like this.

It's so strange that she hasn't even started testosterone, but she's talking like an expert. Assuring you something she hasn't even done is "worth it." I wouldn't be been surprised if chunks of those "explanation" blocks turned out to be copy-pasted from somewhere.

 

[General Disarray]

I am saddened that the brother of my young consort has gone the way of autogynephilia. Just had a video call, am trying to nudge him to find support. And also attempting to redpill him as the time is perfect, going to video him tomorrow; best website to send the lad to? This coming from a woman, if if makes a difference. Thanks in advance.

 

[SNU]

Unironically, the best advice I can give to anyone who has a loved one thinking about trooning out is to google "how to talk to a loved one experiencing psychosis". There's guides out there for communicating with people who are delusional and guiding them towards getting help without a confrontation.

 

[teriyakiburns]

@Juju Makes a Man I got to the bit where she says "I'm wondering if you're trying to figure something out about yourself through these questions" and sort of curled up inside. She's reading from a script, likely learned in some discord cult group. It's how they proselytised her and how she was then trying to proselytise you.