Earlier this year I had a major falling-out with a close friend who fell into gender cult nonsense, IMO as a result of being fried by the pandemic and losing stability in their life. I told an even closer friend of ~15 years about it when it happened, and got some support, but I felt like I could only talk about my true feelings about the situation so much. About a month ago this friend had the same thing happen to her with one of her friends. Similar demographic (mid/late 30's), similar subcultural background (bounced around a lot of different subcultures/scenes every 2-3 years, no deep roots in any relationships), similar way of nuking all relationships that aren't based around validating and worshipping themself and their new identity. We're both sad that we lost our respective friends, but it's also a relief to both of us that they aren't our problem any more. The more often this happens, the more the people left in the wake will talk about the aspects that don't add up.
and all of her past sins and cringe are rolled into some dipshit named "Liam Oho" she totally never heard of and by GOD do not bring up the deadname so they don't break down in embarrassment or misgendering crying.
It's such a cheat code for erasing your past that it's almost obligatory once you've sufficiently destroyed your life. Any sex pest or career criminal in a blue area would be stupid not to troon out. The state will literally arrest people for trying to investigate your previous behavior and charge them with hate crimes.
That's why, although I consider them a plague, I don't blame troons for trooning. It's the most pragmatic, logical course of action for any piece of shit to take. I place 100% of the blame on enablers, especially the corporate and government ones. Maybe they could have gotten away with the "I didn't know the truth! I was tricked!" excuse ten years ago, but anyone who still supports troons to any degree whatsoever is culpable. Some possible exceptions for underaged people with single mothers. They never stood a chance.
That's why, although I consider them a plague, I don't blame troons for trooning. It's the most pragmatic, logical course of action for any piece of shit to take. I place 100% of the blame on enablers,
I blame it on both: troons choose to troon. If you're a kid you get a pass for being a retard or being manipulated by family or medical doctors thinkong they know better. Enablers shoule be charged but we need to charge troons too. No one is forcing you to be a sexpest.
I blame it on both: troons choose to troon. If you're a kid you get a pass for being a retard or being manipulated by family or medical doctors thinkong they know better. Enablers shoule be charged but we need to charge troons too. No one is forcing you to be a sexpest.
I should specify that I still blame troons for being bad people. But they were already bad people before the DNC gave them a Game Genie code to erase all their misdeeds. It's like if you were to give a gang member a gun. Of course he's going to kill someone with it. You should have known better. It's on us non-dirtbags to understand that some people cannot be given any power, because they will abuse it.
Inside of a month "Khai" has cut off her parents who don't understand why their gay daughter suddenly thinks she's a man and think it's their fault. Khai is of course the victim and is crying about it, despite it being her disowning them. It doesn't even sound like they're being bad about it, they put up with the she/them shit for years. I feel bad for her dad. It sounds like he's taking it hard and just doesn't understand, and she's going full "salt the Earth" mode because anything less than 100% support is tantamount to wishing she was dead.
My mother found my thigh-high boots (yes ok i know) in his closet. Claimed "curiosity".
Weeks/months later my mother found my boots in his closet, again, but this time with one of her skirts too. Also claimed "curiosity".
Weaker evidence:
Tried to get a pale purple towel and a pale pink bedsheet when packing for university
Within a few hours of going to his dorm, changed his laptop theme from red to pink ("light purple")
Has an MtNB friend and a gay friend (out of about 20 friends), and there's a crossdressing acquaintance too
Redditor and discord user, but at least says he isn't in any non-IRL-friend discords
The main incidents happened a year ago so I put them out of my mind. Recent events dredged up the memories. He's getting immersed in woke campus life and I'm seriously concerned that he'll come back with full-blown AGP. He knows very well that our parents and I are extremely against trans ideology, so if this is how much leaks through when he knows he should be "hiding", how severely has he rotted his brain?
The hope is he's actually over it and the recent events are just rebellion against his totally lame transphobic family, but does anyone have resources for how to reverse brainrot?
My mother found my thigh-high boots (yes ok i know) in his closet. Claimed "curiosity".
Weeks/months later my mother found my boots in his closet, again, but this time with one of her skirts too. Also claimed "curiosity".
Weaker evidence:
Tried to get a pale purple towel and a pale pink bedsheet when packing for university
Within a few hours of going to his dorm, changed his laptop theme from red to pink ("light purple")
Has an MtNB friend and a gay friend (out of about 20 friends), and there's a crossdressing acquaintance too
Redditor and discord user, but at least says he isn't in any non-IRL-friend discords
The main incidents happened a year ago so I put them out of my mind. Recent events dredged up the memories. He's getting immersed in woke campus life and I'm seriously concerned that he'll come back with full-blown AGP. He knows very well that our parents and I are extremely against trans ideology, so if this is how much leaks through when he knows he should be "hiding", how severely has he rotted his brain?
The hope is he's actually over it and the recent events are just rebellion against his totally lame transphobic family, but does anyone have resources for how to reverse brainrot?
I think the laptop theme and bedsheet color are just silly distractions and I don't know why you think they necessarily mean anything. People are allowed to like whatever colors they like.
The fact that he's stealing clothes from you and your mother and attributing his actions to "curiosity" seems like all the evidence you need. Surely you see that none of your other "evidence" matters in light of his actual behavior.
The fact that he's stealing clothes from you and your mother and attributing his actions to "curiosity" seems like all the evidence you need. Surely you see that none of your other "evidence" matters in light of his actual behavior.
Yeah, a baby brother stealing his older sister's clothing is bad enough, but stealing his mother's is beyond creepy. If I were you I'd be checking your underwear drawer for missing bras and knickers. Socks too, if he's stealing shoes.
Welp, after over a year of my brother becoming this fake persona, he is fully trooned out. Pink everything, fake cringe voice, half pink hair, HRT, etc. it's just fucking sad. I miss my brother.
Yeah, we never got along that well, but I still love him. He's always been conscious about his body, but this isn't the way to do it.
I even snapped at my mom for a conversation we were having. She said "We're both mourning him" and I sorta snapped and said "HE'S NOT FUCKING DEAD! HE'S ALIVE! That's why it's so frustrating to me!".
This shit is a cult and people will hopefully look back at this shit in 10 years or less and wonder what the fuck happened.
Also, trans people, for the love of god, stop with the fake voices. NO REAL WOMAN SOUNDS LIKE THAT. REAL WOMEN ARE LOUD AS FUCK, BUT YOU CAN'T SPEAK LIKE THAT BECAUSE YOUR BOOMY MALE VOICE WILL COME OUT.
It's developed. A ~17 year old clearly crossdressing with family's clothes and then being too lazy to hide the fact is AGP 101. The little bit of Reddit, Discord, "crossdressing acquaintance" that you know is sadly probably the tip of the iceberg.
Also, trans people, for the love of god, stop with the fake voices. NO REAL WOMAN SOUNDS LIKE THAT. REAL WOMEN ARE LOUD AS FUCK, BUT YOU CAN'T SPEAK LIKE THAT BECAUSE YOUR BOOMY MALE VOICE WILL COME OUT.
This sounds like a thoroughly horrible experience.
The voice thing though, it’s like with gay men.
A good majority of gay men start talking with that camp Lilt, and the trans voice is more similar to that than women’s voices.
I recall an article in FHM, when it was allowed to be blokey and pulled few punches, that raised the question of the “Gay voice”.
They claimed they had asked a vocal cord expert of some sort if all of the bumming changed their voice somehow.
Allegedly the answer was that there is no evidence that excessive anal sex can impact or alter the vocal cords in any way, but that the change in voice was more likely related to a psychological sense of need for belonging.
It’s a way of indicating they are gay, without having to make any other serious life changes.
Perhaps this is a similar thing with Troons?
Before fully committing to trooning out, putting on a Kermit voice can be a way of seeing if they “pass”.
There's a documentary on this called Do I Sound Gay? that explores the topic considerably. But yes the answer is basically "So everyone knows I'm gay" and also "all my (gay) friends do it, so I accidentally do it too."
At least the troon voice makes sense. Men and women sound different. But very few every manage a convincing gender impersonation so they sounds horrible.
This sounds like a thoroughly horrible experience.
The voice thing though, it’s like with gay men.
A good majority of gay men start talking with that camp Lilt, and the trans voice is more similar to that than women’s voices.
I recall an article in FHM, when it was allowed to be blokey and pulled few punches, that raised the question of the “Gay voice”.
They claimed they had asked a vocal cord expert of some sort if all of the bumming changed their voice somehow.
Allegedly the answer was that there is no evidence that excessive anal sex can impact or alter the vocal cords in any way, but that the change in voice was more likely related to a psychological sense of need for belonging.
It’s a way of indicating they are gay, without having to make any other serious life changes.
Perhaps this is a similar thing with Troons?
Before fully committing to trooning out, putting on a Kermit voice can be a way of seeing if they “pass”.
The ironic part is I think if they just had their normal voice, they would pass more than than faked bullshit voice that just sounds like a man imitating a woman as a joke. Not that their normal voice passes in a vacuum, but comparing the two makes it sound way better. As for the gay sense of belonging, that's really weird to me that anyone who's gay would think that way. Being gay is just a sexual preference. When I was really young I thought being gay was stereotypical flamboyant "Heyyyyy" sort of shit, but eventually realized it wasn't that way when I found out my much older cousin was gay, but was just a normal dude who wasn't performative. Sucked dick, yes, but you wouldn't know unless someone told you because being gay doesn't mean you have to look or sound a certain way.
I can usually deal with cringe, but the fake trans voice literally makes me recoil in horror. As much as I love my brother, I refuse to deal with that voice.
I have heard a few people before online who had convincing trans voices, but the key word is 'few'. The vast majority just sound like a cheap imitation.
I think the laptop theme and bedsheet color are just silly distractions and I don't know why you think they necessarily mean anything. People are allowed to like whatever colors they like.
The fact that he's stealing clothes from you and your mother and attributing his actions to "curiosity" seems like all the evidence you need. Surely you see that none of your other "evidence" matters in light of his actual behavior.
My mother found my thigh-high boots (yes ok i know) in his closet. Claimed "curiosity".
Weeks/months later my mother found my boots in his closet, again, but this time with one of her skirts too. Also claimed "curiosity".
Weaker evidence:
Tried to get a pale purple towel and a pale pink bedsheet when packing for university
Within a few hours of going to his dorm, changed his laptop theme from red to pink ("light purple")
Has an MtNB friend and a gay friend (out of about 20 friends), and there's a crossdressing acquaintance too
Redditor and discord user, but at least says he isn't in any non-IRL-friend discords
The main incidents happened a year ago so I put them out of my mind. Recent events dredged up the memories. He's getting immersed in woke campus life and I'm seriously concerned that he'll come back with full-blown AGP. He knows very well that our parents and I are extremely against trans ideology, so if this is how much leaks through when he knows he should be "hiding", how severely has he rotted his brain?
The hope is he's actually over it and the recent events are just rebellion against his totally lame transphobic family, but does anyone have resources for how to reverse brainrot?
Anyway, I am not sure what you would do with something like this, as it is an awkward subject to bring up with somebody. I think the best thing to do is to make it clear that he is to leave other people's clothing alone or else be thrown out of the house. This may sound extreme, but a lot of these AGP types then progress to raiding other people's pads and tampons ala Yaniv if not rebuked.
I would suggest counseling, but I think they would only affirm said fetishes/delusions in order to avoid being accused of "conversion therapy".
they turn from cool but maybe a little quirky and nerdy guys into fucking narcissists who talk about troon shit all the time and "if you don't like it you can fuck off."
Popularity has terrible effects on the mind, and the way it works with the internet is insidious. Most based homos and "sane" trannies I've met have some kind of background in theater, music, or some other performative activity. Through those avenues, you get gradual exposure and build tolerance to popularity and audience, to fame and its pitfalls -- it's not infallible, obviously, but it gives - especially people who were in their younger years antisocial - a lot more tools for handling sudden attention.
Youtube personalities that blow up even with moderate success (maybe a few hundred viewers) rarely know how to handle the sudden attention and validation they're getting, and fail to realize how horribly suggestible someone like that is. Whatever the trend is after this stupid bullshit, you'll see the same behavior with whatever the new hot space for young weirdos to attract cadres of other weirdos.
This article is still probably the best overall takedown of transgenderism, it might be a bit too dense for a normie but there's lots of good info in there.
If I might be so bold, don't send this to people. Despite the author's insistence that in republishing it they revised it, is is replete with grammatical errors, typos, bizarre sentences, and downright weird phrasing.
If you can follow the breadcrumbs yourself to the information, disseminate it that way. Use this as a roadmap at-best, and find the footprints yourself -- I wouldn't personally trust something written so very, very sloppily if I were wholly oblivious. That said:
I could go on, but going this route is far better for convincing non-autists than talking about rape statistics. You can talk about that after they peak.
There is a reason that the first non-academia people put in the iron-sights of the trans lobby were comedians. "Offensive" was used at first not to suggest that you couldn't speak about the topic, but rather to say that you couldn't make jokes about the patent absurdity of it.
Statistics do not work because I can get you whatever statistic you want if you put enough money in a University's donations box. Statistics, when scrutinized, almost never change opinions or sway minds -- which is in part why there's such a small market for people to replicate academic studies. If you disprove the initial point, who cares? It's too arcane and rigid for most people to hook into and draw any meaning from. Throwing statistics around, be it for political or rhetorical gain, is way more likely to push someone undecided to the opponents (and someone already-decided more into your camp, which is useless).
However, pointing out the fucking absurdity of suggesting that someone in their mid-30s is experiencing a "second puberty," and comparing it to the Lord of the Rings line? Just - the sheer, utter, ridiculous, insane nonsense of it being stated like it's the most normal thing in the world -- people react to that.
"What's... a second puberty?" they might ask. "Oh, you know, it's... got nothing to do with puberty, but you dress like you're the opposite sex and 20-30 years younger and behave much the same. It's totally not ridiculous, though - it's a very serious, very important thing, as if the individual does not wear outmoded Hot Topic fashion that they've had in a closet for longer than their estranged children have been alive, they will be strongly tempted to kill themselves."
I want to point out a bit of a flaw in this line of approach that is understandable, but this is also a leverage point that will be used in browbeating manipulation. If you suggest that troon time is triggered by individualistic behavior, a natural retort from the troublesome troon would be to toot "You're trying to clamp down on my individuality!" That is, that you are effacing their true, honest, wholesome, unique, super-special-awesome self by imposing barriers and restrictions to their self-realization.
The reality is that it's rather a certain type of self-centered dependent mindset that is necessary. I've known and dated a good number of people who were at ground-zero during the tumblr tardation, and a lot of them were tempted by what that bilious tide brought in. However, there was a clear trend: people with strong character, drive, and the desire to provide for themselves overcame the temptation. They grew out of the weirdness, focused on a career path, got through hardships, and re-evaluated negative dependencies and relationships that they were carrying as baggage from their adolescence. By contrast, the people who were content to mooch money from their parents? To have a partner pay for their rent while they brought in nothing? To expect everyone else to make exceptions for them and cater to their whim, who without this constant pampering would throw fits and cease to function and inevitably throw around the kill-myself card? I saw all of those ones get subsumed and wash out.
The trans shit is the intersection of selfishness and total dependency realized, and its constant paeans to a lack of efficacy speak to this: it's never "their fault," it's always because of "dysphoria/transphobia/etc." Selfish but independent people won't drag their family down into an abyss with this kind of shit - they'll butt heads and assert their independence without trying to browbeat the family into supporting their lazy ass. Altruistic but dependent people will try to contribute and provide and work within their means, and don't succumb to the urge to throw away all of the kindness they've been shown for the equivalent of a mental get-rich-quick scheme.
So to say - it isn't so much individualism that is the issue, as individualism necessitates being able to live your life even if other people don't support it. That's obviously anathema to troons: how could a NEET support itself?
I somewhat disagree with that. While I'd like to be considered based, some of the younger folk (and those around my age) get the newfound attention going to their heads and they become more insufferable, at least until their fellow performers set them straight.
I somewhat disagree with that. While I'd like to be considered based, some of the younger folk (and those around my age) get the newfound attention going to their heads and they become more insufferable, at least until their fellow performers set them straight.
Right, but you've both got those peers to set them straight - and the risk of bombing on stage. Nothing is as unavoidable as realizing you've done fucked up and everyone desperately wants you to get off of the stage. It's such a good balm for the soul, and it instills a sense of humility.
On YouTube or Tiktok or whatever, though... you don't really get to 'bomb.' Just delete the video if it does badly - but rarely do they do badly, if you just play to the chorus.
Not an expert, but my advice for him would be to cut back on internet, and completely not watch porn.
But it may be difficult. As I understand it, AGP is kind of like an addiction, and you cannot help an addict, that doesn't want to quit.
The worst thing you and your family could do, was to go along with any tranny bullshit he may come up with. That would be like buying heroin for the junkie. Telling him the uncomfortable truth will always be kinder than whatever lie he wants to hear.
