Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Ed Special]

My semi-estranged sister's changed her pronouns on Discord to "She/they". This is the same sister, if you check my post history, who's had to repeatedly have her laptops' HOSTS file changed to blackhole that groomer platform known as pony.town. Between that, her gender-nonconformity, her extreme 'tism, and her major depressive disorder, I suppose this was an inevitability, huh? Fortunately, she's just had multiple fetus-sized ovarian cysts removed in an operation in the past couple weeks, so hopefully she'll return to the real world as her hormones get balanced out.

 

[ScurvyRat]

"Hey I call people niggers all day on a gossip forum, want to come over and watch sometime?"
Fucking flawless pick up line if you ask me, top tier

The sheer amount of "nigger" that gets dropped in my house/work/discord would turn an SJW's hair from green to white.

 

[Walking Abortion]

The social contagion finally hit my family a couple of years back. My cousin (who I haven't seen in years, but we were close as kids) came out as non-binary and from what I've heard, it's all but destroyed him. I always knew him as a happy, normal kid. He's from a stable, middle-class family, and the eldest of three boys. His parents are happily married. Absolutely not the kind of background you'd expect someone so profoundly mentally ill to come from. Anyway, he's 18 now, so I guess I can talk about him here. He enbied out when he was about 16. He's going by an utterly retarded noun name, much to his parents and grandparents horror because he was named after his great grandfather. His grandparents have yielded to calling him his retarded noun name, but they refuse to use the "they/them" pronouns he insists on. I'm told he's going to college for a fucking art degree. I swear enbies are allergic to contributing to society in any meaningful way - it's either an art degree or OnlyFans.

The sad part is that ever since he enbied out, my cousin has been in perpetual therapy for a multitude of issues that didn't exist before the "transition". I suspect his evident body dysmorphia may be the culprit. He can't stand to look at his body to the extent that during a summer heatwave, he buried himself in multiple layers of hoodies and pants to hide his body. I can only hope the poor kid gets some proper help and grows out of it.

 

[سلیمان عثمان]

When do you know that some one is too far gone?

I have maintained a long standing friendship with a TiF for over ten years, she started embracing gender ideology five years ago and has been in an ever-deepening spiral since then. Her entire personality has changed or rather, all of her worst qualities have bloated while all of the things about her that made me want to be her friend in the first place have withered away. She had pre-existing issues that were mostly under control but the very second a large number of people (especially self-proclaimed experts) started playing along with one of her delusions the flood-gates burst open. I still occasionally see glimpses of the person I used to know but I swear those moments are fewer and fewer.

Has any one here ever known any one to actually snap out of this kind of a spiral?

 

[ScurvyRat]

Has any one here ever known any one to actually snap out of this kind of a spiral?

Not personally. They cut me out before I can see any sort of remedy. Or they die.

 

[grenouille crétine]

Has any one here ever known any one to actually snap out of this kind of a spiral?

Maybe from some big traumatic event that causes severe reassessment of one’s values. Otherwise, five years is about when the honeymoon phase of troonery seems to wear off for a lot of people. Even if you find her insufferable now, hopefully if she does desist (and all those “affirming” friends drop her), she will still have you. But needing/wanting to step away from a slow-motion trainwreck is entirely understandable.

 

[سلیمان عثمان]

and all those “affirming” friends drop her

Her "affirming" friends dropped her almost immediately when her mental state started to deteriorate, not before passing her around for a while. I hate those fucking people.

As far as I know I am the only friend of hers left who will even pick up the phone when she calls and I worry that I only maintain any kind of contact with her out of a sense of pity and guilt for not pushing back harder from the start. I do not think I would even want to stay in touch with her if she does manage to pull out of it but I really do not want her to self-destruct.

Thanks for answering, I still hope she pulls through despite everything.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

Tell her the truth. It should help both your sense of guilt because you tried to tell her, and either she improves or cuts you off, either of which benefits you.

 

[MongInTheMirror]

(Also in typical BPD form, when things go sour she starts to get pretty explicit about the wrongs she’s suffered. The black and white thinking. I’m here for it though,., I can’t wait to affirm her and provide some insight into the brainwashing and emotional abuse she has endured. If all goes well, she will be peaking by the end of the year!)

I swear this genderblob shit is like fucking crack to BPD sufferers, it's amazing. But you reminded me of my own ex-friend (think I've already posted about her in this thread) who's now trooning out her teen daughter - unsurprisingly she was diagnosed BPD and used to engage in this exact behavior. I didn't realize it was a BPD thing at the time, but it makes perfect sense.

She went through a couple of shitty relationships with a smorgasbord of total manbaby goobers when I knew her, and every time it was the same: while they were dating the guy could basically hang the moon and was perfect in every way. The literal second they broke up, the floodgates would open and turns out they were incompetent/abusive the whole time.

Lots of people tend to idealize the ones they're with a little while the relationship lasts, but this was like night and day, and the shift was instantaneous. It was always bizarre to me, but I was very young when we met.

 

[Slideshow Bill]

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Who's out here fucking the tards? It's not the female tards so what gives?

One of my best friends who I lost to the cult cited Danganronpa and said character as a reason why she "discovered" her inner poonself.

Nagito got to her, didn't he?

My mom and I were visiting on of her friends and their family. All is well, everyone is laughing and eating. I wonder where the youngest daughter is because her older sisters are here. I haven't seen her in a decade or so. I used to babysit her sometimes and we'd play TTRP games and whatnot. She is your textbook nerdy, awkward tomboy (who I'm pretty sure is also autistic. She has that autist voice and stare). Youngest daughter comes downstairs and I finally see her for the first time in years. Patchy beard, cystic acne, receding hairline and classic Aiden frog voice. It took the strength of god to stop me from beating the shit out of her parents for enabling this. I couldn't tell if she got the titchop because of her baggy hoodie but fuck man. She had hobbies and dreams. She loved basketball and dinosaurs. She wanted to be an archeologist but now it's a miracle if she lives to see 40.

Update: She has lost so much hair that she wears a bandana all the time like she's undergoing chemotherapy.

 

[El-ahrairah]

Just got news that a 17 yr old, nearly 7ft, nearly 300lb family member has decided he wants to transition and I want to scream myself inside out. This kid has been through incredible amounts of abuse and tragedy and I am 99% sure is autistic though his "parents" never bothered looking into any medical or mental health care for him. He has rage issues and severe depression. I have seen this coming for years because I could see how much he hated his own body and as much as I tried there was no combating his friend group and porn addiction. I don't know what to do and I'm heartbroken because while I have not described him very kindly here, I love him very much and want to have a normal, happy life and I really, really want him not to cut his dick off.

I am quite certain it will not help.

He will never pass. No one who looks at him in a dress would ever see anything but a Monty Python skit and ultimately he will kill himself if he actually goes down this route. Not that it would be better if he DID pass, it just makes the whole thing more frustrating. What are you thinking you mongoloid, you're already an ogre, a skirt and lipstick will not help.

I'm not going to give up on him but I don't know how, I'm pretty sure I've never successfully convinced him of anything in his entire life. (He is always right, you see, or a victim of someone bullying him and therefore in the right even if wrong.)

If you're the praying type, please pray for him. And if you've got any advice, I'd like to hear it. I want to argue with him but I don't want to get cut out of his life.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Just got news that a 17 yr old, nearly 7ft, nearly 300lb family member has decided he wants to transition and I want to scream myself inside out. This kid has been through incredible amounts of abuse and tragedy and I am 99% sure is autistic though his "parents" never bothered looking into any medical or mental health care for him. He has rage issues and severe depression. I have seen this coming for years because I could see how much he hated his own body and as much as I tried there was no combating his friend group and porn addiction. I don't know what to do and I'm heartbroken because while I have not described him very kindly here, I love him very much and want to have a normal, happy life and I really, really want him not to cut his dick off.

I am quite certain it will not help.

He will never pass. No one who looks at him in a dress would ever see anything but a Monty Python skit and ultimately he will kill himself if he actually goes down this route. Not that it would be better if he DID pass, it just makes the whole thing more frustrating. What are you thinking you mongoloid, you're already an ogre, a skirt and lipstick will not help.

I'm not going to give up on him but I don't know how, I'm pretty sure I've never successfully convinced him of anything in his entire life. (He is always right, you see, or a victim of someone bullying him and therefore in the right even if wrong.)

If you're the praying type, please pray for him. And if you've got any advice, I'd like to hear it. I want to argue with him but I don't want to get cut out of his life.

Has he had his T levels checked?
I'm sure a lot of men who become Troons do it because they're too low T.
It's a pity, if he started hitting the gym at nearly 7 feet and 300 pounds he'd get fucking jacked the increased Testosterone from hammering the gym would help his mood and his confidence too.

 

[Poonocchio]

Honestly I think in her case it’s TOCD

If it's OCD she would be doing everything she could to make sure she isn't a pooner. It would be causing her extreme distress to think she is.
Eta just realised I wasn't on present page, sorry if this has been brought up.

Eta @deermeat @Lavender Moth out of interest, why do you guys disagree?

 

[JamusActimus]

He will never pass. No one who looks at him in a dress would ever see anything but a Monty Python skit and ultimately he will kill himself if he actually goes down this route. Not that it would be better if he DID pass, it just makes the whole thing more frustrating. What are you thinking you mongoloid, you're already an ogre, a skirt and lipstick will not help.

I've seen a huge bulky tranny in the street once and I said to myself:

You're made to work in farm/factory and be the pride of your father not play in a dress my dude.

 

[cyber insecurity]

Who's out here fucking the tards?

women who don't know any better

 

[Aunt Carol]

And if you've got any advice, I'd like to hear it. I want to argue with him but I don't want to get cut out of his life.

You know where this comes from, and you saw it coming: it's the friend group and the porn. He's not connected to his body; I'm guessing the "friends" are online, and he's dissociating while masturbating with the porn, softening him up for "well maybe you are the girl."

@Procrastinhater has a point about the gym, except I bet the kid hates that his body is big and designed to be a powerhouse, especially if he's carrying a history of being abused or intimidated by big people. Sometimes the "uwu smol" isn't just pornsickness, but a desire to be comforted and made to feel safe by a parent-figure. Tell this kid he could be a beast with some lifting, and he'll shudder.

All the untreated mental issues are going to stay untreated now, because the second he says "trans" any modern counselor is either going to jump on it earnestly, or be terrified that mentioning anything else will get them unpersoned for conversion therapy.

Still, he gets one body, and most of it just isn't changeable. Trans isn't a panacea for the life problems any 17-year-old, but it'll go worse for him. You said he has rage issues; with Discord egging him on (haw) he'll get less stable, because of course misgendering deserves a violent reaction, doesn't it?

You say he's stubborn and can't be convinced, so you're setting yourself up for more and more pain as you watch him decompensate. I don't think there's a magic argument; even finding testimonials of "detransitioners" who were in his same situation, teenagers who treated "trans" as the answer for depression and trauma, will get debunked by his enablers as crimethink.

This is going to hurt for you, no matter what. I think the most honest, cleanest thing to do is tell him what you see: he's looking for an "out" from being him, he's fallen in with people who think everyone is trans, he's self-deluding into thinking that the magic pill will make him not a giant man people are scared of, but you're worried he's going to be hurt worse as his fantasy self gets further and further from what people actually see. He needs to be thinking about adulthood and working, which is a scary transition, so the jobless troons online are even more inviting, with their dodges and ebegging and ways to sponge off their parents and be a "girl" not a woman.

So you could tell him that before he blocks you. Let him know you care for him and you will be here if he wants to talk, but you're not going to debate his Discord group vicariously; you just care about him.

Or I guess you could just send him gigahon memes.

 

[Ser Prize]

Her "affirming" friends dropped her almost immediately when her mental state started to deteriorate, not before passing her around for a while. I hate those fucking people.

As far as I know I am the only friend of hers left who will even pick up the phone when she calls and I worry that I only maintain any kind of contact with her out of a sense of pity and guilt for not pushing back harder from the start. I do not think I would even want to stay in touch with her if she does manage to pull out of it but I really do not want her to self-destruct.

Thanks for answering, I still hope she pulls through despite everything.

Wait her 'affirming' friends used her like a hot potato sex toy? Jesus Christ.

 

[glass_houses]

Wait her 'affirming' friends used her like a hot potato sex toy? Jesus Christ.

Troon culture is all about the coom and grooming others into the coom. This surprises you?

 

[Lavender Moth]

why do you guys disagree?

Respectfully disagreeing with your statement because of how poonerism is pathologized by the medical community, rather than disparaged as degeneracy. It sounds like you're thinking of transgenderism through the same lens one might view pedophilia. In sufferers of OCD, yes, it is relatively common for them to fixate on a taboo false idea of themselves and get absolutely tied up in batshit insane knots trying to prove they are not the thing that they are not ("oh god, what if I'm secretly a pedophile inside?" is a common one, "I had intrusive thoughts about pushing my friend/myself off a ledge, am I actually a murderer inside/suicidal?" is another.) If we treated transgenderism appropriately in our society (aka, discouraged it) I would actually agree with you, as I think we would definitely see more OCD sufferers obsessing over how much of a pooner they aren't in the same way they will obsess over not being a murderer.

However.

Notice how the common denominator in these internal self-obsessions is that they are overwhelmingly negative and deeply taboo. There is a psycho-social component to some OCD obsessions, and (sadly) transgenderism is portrayed by the activist-poisoned medical community as a wholly legitimate medical disorder (rather than the symptom of a underlying disorder, or just flat-out degeneracy) in and of itself where the only cure is transition. It is portrayed by the BBQ letter community as being full-on desirable, almost as a form of godhood or spiritual ascension to the "true self". If she has OCD (which she very well might, however, because there is overlap with many other disorders -- especially hypochondriasis in this case -- that's a call for a doctor) it would be more likely that she would become obsessed with getting a diagnosis and the "cure" rather than proving she doesn't have the "disorder". This goes especially so if she's entrenched in the fujo community (which the girl in question is, if I recall correctly), or any community where transgenderism is treated as more morally correct/desirable than being normal. These appear to be exactly what is happening with his fiancée.

Couple this with the fact that untreated OCD makes you feel like shit (I would know, un-diagnosed OCD stole almost 20 years of my life from me) and the fact that trans activists portray their wretched snake oil as a cure-all for every nebulous ill you have, it's reasonable from an "OCD logic" standpoint to see how she could arrive at poonerism and become obsessed with chasing it as a "cure" for whatever mental disorder/condition is actually bothering her.

 

[Dr Slump]

Currently losing one of my close friends to troonism. I know for a fact he’ll never pass, he’s pushing 300lb with a perpetual 5 o clock shadow and expects estrogen to magically turn him into a girl. The signs were pretty obvious, the biggest red flag being how his relationship with porn went from “relatively” tame an outright addiction. I’ve tried being gentle about my criticism and attempted to ground his expectations, but he seems to be completely stuck on this idea that he’ll one day look like this perfect anime girl. His “need” to transition is unfortunately textbook AGP logic. It’s never about feeling like he was born in the wrong body, it’s always some want to appear female for cooming purposes. He complained about his initial dose of estrogen being “too low” and is incredibly upset that it’s done literally nothing to change his appearance.
Surprisingly, he still has a girlfriend that he’s been with even before his transition. She’s sweet and supportive, but I really don’t think she knows the extent of his coomerism. I hate thinking that someone is a lost cause, but I’m starting to believe his brain is too porn poisoned to ever turn back. I wish there was a way to snap him out of this before it starts to hurt his girlfriend, she really doesn’t deserve to put up with his pornsickness masquerading as a legitimate ailment.

He’s low T, refuses to hit the gym, and does almost nothing besides sit at his computer and get incredibly depressed about “not being a girl”. It’s actively regressing him as a person; it kills me to watch an ideology destroy someone.