Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

[AmpleApricots]

Shit like this makes me always uneasy about switching back to Linux one day. If these nerds could only contain their autism for once.

Just avoid software that can't be forked. You see it with x11/xlibre. The x11 people were hellbent on killing x11 off, pushed things too far so somebody ended up forking it and I have the feeling that fork will live for a long time and eventually replace the original x11 for all intents and purposes. Would x11 be proprietary or run under a no-derivative license you'd be left with no options and would be completely exposed to the whims and moods of the developers. This is bad and something free (as in freedom) software avoids.

In this case the makers of x11 would very much like to force the linux community to adopt a broken-by-design protocol which again, would drive you to a display server environment that realistically can only be maintained by fewer, bigger setups. It might not be closed software in name, as e.g. firefox isn't, but in practice it makes it harder and harder to free you from the people behind it. So people rebelled, forked and they could easily, because of x11's MIT license. All they could do was mald, ban the dude's accounts and call him a nazi chud facist hitler. If the license would have been less permissive, they would have done a lot more than that.

Companies like Red Hat/IBM/Microsoft/etc. are trying to give you the impression that this is "fragmentation" and bad. It is not. Why would you want want a few people to hold all the power? What could for you, as end-user, possibly be good about it? It goes wrong for you everywhere else this happens.

We are actually living in very good times re: free software. It used to be that you pretty much were completely dependent on proprietary software if you wanted to use your computer in any serious manner. These times are long over. Things could be better but the truth of the matter is that you've never been this free.

 

[HootersMcBoobies]

Are there any Fediverse instances that aren't infested with trannies, gooners and/or weebs? Shit like Pleroma seems interesting to me and I'd like to join one.

There are the Christians instances like FreeAtlantis, although you wouldn't be able to call anyone a faggot or nigger on there.

You might want to check out NoAuthority dot Social. It was originally NoAgendaSocial and associated with the podcast, but one of the show runners became a born again evangelical and didn't like all the memes and people noticing the Zionists. They had a huge falling out/hissy-fit and now its independent. Still runs Mastodon and has a character limit though.

What might be appropriate for this thread is freesoftwareextremist.com. They are a bit on the extreme side (no proprietary blobs, coreboot, etc.) but I don't think they have any trannys or big anime posters .. although their instance is down at the moment.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

Shit like this makes me always uneasy about switching back to Linux one day. If these nerds could only contain their autism for once.

It's only going to keep getting worse. Woke is killing Linux in ways Microsoft wishes it could have.

 

[Unimaginative Username]

The greed written into law for publicly traded companies actually indirectly outlaws long term frivolities like customer retention and brand reputation if it means short term loss.

That's just CEO propaganda. The law only requires that they act in the best interests of the company. The problem is that their bonuses are tied to short-term profit, so that's what they pursue. The sycophantic press, entirely dependent on revenue from ad purchases, cover for this and act like it's a legal obligation and not self-interest. The universities also cover for them, since it's their business schools that teach this kind of MBA thinking, and they are rewarded for this with generous tax-deductible donations from these esteemed alumni.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

That's just CEO propaganda. The law only requires that they act in the best interests of the company. The problem is that their bonuses are tied to short-term profit, so that's what they pursue. The sycophantic press, entirely dependent on revenue from ad purchases, cover for this and act like it's a legal obligation and not self-interest. The universities also cover for them, since it's their business schools that teach this kind of MBA thinking, and they are rewarded for this with generous tax-deductible donations from these esteemed alumni.

Maximizing profit is, according to the judgement in an investor lawsuit decades ago, part of corporate leadership's fiduciary duty. It IS a legal obligation in the United States of America thanks to court precedent set in the suit.

 

[Ferryman]

Bots will continue to evolve until they are indistinguishable from the average redditor.

They already are. Redditors and FAANG social media dwellers are niggercattle chaff devoid of higher order thought, content to ruminate on their latest mouthful of goy feed.

I have no idea what he expects anyone to do other than roll their eyes and hope he doesn't actually go full nuclear.

They expect apologies and asspats, of course. He's in the same camp of retards as Graphene Dan or Hector Martin that are utterly unable to take criticism without having a shit fit.

It's only going to keep getting worse. Woke is killing Linux in ways Microsoft wishes it could have.

Eh? I wouldn't say the issue is 'woke' itself. Pinning the blame on trainnies alone is missing the forest for the trees. The real enemy of FOSS is corporate ingress from Red Hat et al. that attempt to consolidate power by way of spreading the CoC culture into places it has no business being in, and centralizing 99% of Linux under a single umbrella that their little Black Pete niggerboy Poettering holds the handle to, in this case, systemd. I would much rather break bread with faggots like the people at antiX so long as they remain anti corporate. Profit-driven corporations will ALWAYS without exception seek to control, centralize, then squeeze revenue from any project they get their hands on. Trannies are a symptom, not the disease.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

They already are. Redditors and FAANG social media dwellers are niggercattle chaff devoid of higher order thought, content to ruminate on their latest mouthful of goy feed.


They expect apologies and asspats, of course. He's in the same camp of retards as Graphene Dan or Hector Martin that are utterly unable to take criticism without having a shit fit.


Eh? I wouldn't say the issue is 'woke' itself. Pinning the blame on trainnies alone is missing the forest for the trees. The real enemy of FOSS is corporate ingress from Red Hat et al. that attempt to consolidate power by way of spreading the CoC culture into places it has no business being in, and centralizing 99% of Linux under a single umbrella that their little Black Pete niggerboy Poettering holds the handle to, in this case, systemd. I would much rather break bread with faggots like the people at antiX so long as they remain anti corporate. Profit-driven corporations will ALWAYS without exception seek to control, centralize, then squeeze revenue from any project they get their hands on. Trannies are a symptom, not the disease.

The real enemy of Open Sores is its own adherents. It originated from entitled marxists and is controlled by entitled marxists. This infighting and collapse of the "movement" is inevitable in ANY marxist community.

 

[419]

Stenzek has thrown huge hissy fits in the past. Basically taking his own labor hostage because of some spurious reasons. I sit here, building duckstation off the AUR and I have no issues. I have no idea what Stenzek is talking about. I can't stop people from submitting bug reports. I can't even tell stenzek is "lol calm down" because he'll just freak out even more. I have no idea what he expects anyone to do other than roll their eyes and hope he doesn't actually go full nuclear.

I hope stenzek keeps working on the thing, but I'm not going to reward his histrionics with asspats. He just needs to fucking cope.

I think what confuses me the most about this whole thing is the fact that, up until that commit, he did go as far as to include his own PKGBUILD in the repo for Duckstation, but he continued to get complaints from people using "broken AUR packages" to this day instead of his own. Okay... why the fuck were people still using broken packages instead of his then? Did he just not make it clear enough to people that his own package was meant to work?

And then I checked the duckstation-git (a) package on the AUR and noticed this latest comment.



So up until now, Stenzek never even had so much as a fucking account on the AUR through which to actually put up his own package or request ownership of the broken package's slug or anything? All this time, he made zero effort to indicate that his own package was even a thing, and now he's surprised that the packages that were there front-and-centre were still being used and still leading a bunch of spergs to come complain to him?

So this is step one. Next step will be removing Linux support entirely,because I'm sick of the headaches and hacks for an operating system thatonly compromises 2% of the userbase, and I don't even use myself.

This is just a fucking baffling lack of foresight here. It would be one thing if you said from the start "I don't use Linux, I don't know how it works and I frankly don't care, I can't support it". Fine, nothing anyone else could do about that then other than try to somehow make it work under WINE instead. But to go all this time until now still—pretty much blindly—providing support for an OS you admit to not using or knowing much about, going as far as to add in all of those hacks for GWayland and even—albeit not even properly!—providing a package for a distro that you now suddenly despise, doesn't do anything other than send a bunch of mixed messages to a bunch of retards who will expect that your shit works on their machine. He shouldn't have even pretended then that he gave a shit about their OS or that he would support it if he didn't want to be way in over his head and for it to blow up in his face as a result.

He made his bed and he can lie in it now. Everyone involved in this story should die o algo.

 

[Consigliere]

He's in the same camp of retards as Graphene Dan or Hector Martin that are utterly unable to take criticism without having a shit fit.

It's fragility of the self. Most open-sour project maintainers and owners of the likes of dan or marcan do it because they want it on their resume and are very sensitive to any naysaying as if they're on the gallows.

The only adequate position to deal with naysayers is to tell them to fuck off and either fork or make their own thing with blackjack and hookers instead of bitching and whining on fedi or issues. However this will dilute your project and make your contributions irrelevant over time.

I do consider myself a hypocrite though, I intentionally license everything I do as MPL with the "no secondaries" clause because most people in my space who use GPL are entitled lobotomite marxists incapable of personal thought or hostile the idea of being told "no."
I have no issue with paramount software being any flavor of GPL, which is made by adequate people with adequate and straight-forward philosophy. I have an issue with niggers who use GPL as a end-all-be-all solution to either force developers into their camp or become "the other".

 

[volatile puar]

2%

There is no way he could possibly know what the demographics of his userbase are, except that they are about 90% male and 10% male (but identify as women), and the number he chose doesn't even seem to be derived from anything other than the Jewish population of the USA (what did he mean by this). Linux marketshare is about 5%, and there is a greater proportion of the Linux userbase that uses their computers for anything other than web browsing and document writing. Linux users are generally less known for gaming than Windows, but surely there must be some reason why nearly every emulator is available for Linux. Also, the Steam numbers are of course completely meaningless for this, since people who play Steam and people who play retro games are not generally the same people.

 

[Lard Shart]

I have an issue with niggers who use GPL as a end-all-be-all solution to either force developers into their camp or become "the other".

Is this a trait of GPL-licensed project developers everywhere or just in your space?

I haven't noticed a correlation between the personality/ideology of a developer and license choice. Please enlighten me.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

Is this a trait of GPL-licensed project developers everywhere or just in your space?

I haven't noticed a correlation between the personality/ideology of a developer and license choice. Please enlighten me.

I find that utterly impossible to believe. Open Sores devs and supporters I have encountered in my life have been the most insufferable idiots on earth, second only to the "Trans Rights" crowd. They parrot total bullshit talking points, spew idiotic slogans and deny reality when it conflicts with what their cult leaders have declared, and call everyone else sheep for wanting reliable, properly-supported software and products.

 

[Ferryman]

It's fragility of the self. Most open-sour project maintainers and owners of the likes of dan or marcan do it because they want it on their resume and are very sensitive to any naysaying as if they're on the gallows.

The only adequate position to deal with naysayers is to tell them to fuck off and either fork or make their own thing with blackjack and hookers instead of bitching and whining on fedi or issues. However this will dilute your project and make your contributions irrelevant over time.

I do consider myself a hypocrite though, I intentionally license everything I do as MPL with the "no secondaries" clause because most people in my space who use GPL are entitled lobotomite marxists incapable of personal thought or hostile the idea of being told "no."
I have no issue with paramount software being any flavor of GPL, which is made by adequate people with adequate and straight-forward philosophy. I have an issue with niggers who use GPL as a end-all-be-all solution to either force developers into their camp or become "the other".

+1, MPL is probably the best copyleft license you can use right now. Despite people calling it the "cuck license", I think BSD is also good in this regard as it has a much lesser tendency towards attracting narcissists who see every line of code they write as their golden goose. While it does give cart blanche to corporations to use the code as they see fit (read: MINIX becoming a backdoor OS nestled into every single Intel chipset since 2006), it comes with the benefit of having less spergs in-house.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

+1, MPL is probably the best copyleft license you can use right now. Despite people calling it the "cuck license", I think BSD is also good in this regard as it has a much lesser tendency towards attracting narcissists who see every line of code they write as their golden goose. While it does give cart blanche to corporations to use the code as they see fit (read: MINIX becoming a backdoor OS nestled into every single Intel chipset since 2006), it comes with the benefit of having less spergs in-house.

The BSD license is great just for the fact that Stallman abhors the clause that requires acknowledging the original creator of a piece of BSD-licensed software in all forks.

 

[Consigliere]

I haven't noticed a correlation between the personality/ideology of a developer and license choice. Please enlighten me.

Casting wide nets on all license users would be very disingenuous of me. The intents and philosophies behind why X project is licensed with Y depend on many factors. Most of the time, though, they're done out of spite for the other party - for example, a component being relicensed to AGPL to specifically thwart proprietary commercial use by someone the owner didn't like and doesn't want using it, ironically causing said component to be unusable by other people who want to stick to permissive licenses like MIT.

 

[HalHalliday]

+1, MPL is probably the best copyleft license you can use right now. Despite people calling it the "cuck license", I think BSD is also good in this regard as it has a much lesser tendency towards attracting narcissists who see every line of code they write as their golden goose.

+2 MPL.
I really don't get why would you need anything more then BSD, MPL, or maybe CC0 for public domain. Forcing people to a use certain license and poison their projects, why? If you're going to cry about what they do with your code or how much money they make off it, why not just release it as source-available instead? You would have a complete control and most successful open source projects are run like private dictatorships anyways.

To me, it seems more like these people want to be seen as benevolent saints, but behind all that, what they really want is credit, control, and money, which is fine, just keep your copyright and don't cosplay as Christ.

And don't even get started on "muh contributions", I've seen enough of how the contribution process works to know how much kowtowing is usually required to get anything accepted, source-available doesn't change that.

 

[volatile puar]

I'd like to hear a better alternative to Windows and Mac in that case.

The Wayland side of Linux is interminably mingled with trannyfaggots, but, presuming Wayland survives, KDE Wayland and Hyprland will probably continue to exist, but GNOME's days are numbered, even if only due to financials. The X11/XLibre side looks like it has a bright future, and the renewal of X11 could revitalize BSD. The Linux kernel isn't going anywhere because its continued development is crucial for several megacorporations (and the same can be said about BSD). As a wildcard, Haiku could potentially become a serious contender in the market, although that's a long shot.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

I'd like to hear a better alternative to Windows and Mac in that case.

Why swim upstream? Nothing else has enough support to be worth a shit.

 

[One Angry Computer]

+1, MPL is probably the best copyleft license you can use right now.

+2 MPL.
I really don't get why would you need anything more then BSD, MPL, or maybe CC0 for public domain.

I really can't believe you are forgetting about the best esoteric software license out there, the +NIGGER license.

I'm forgetting which Kiwi made it, but I have a hunch it's of CrunkLord's making.

 

[MagneticTowels]

I'd like to hear a better alternative to Windows and Mac in that case.

Ever tried ReactOS?