Poll: Do you want sticker notifications back? - Not the score, just the notifications.

[SanicBlackMagic]

You already seem to have lost your sanity.

Im perfectly sane. When I see something I enjoy start allowing faggots, trannies, and dangerhairs to "coexist" and not be shown the door immediately, I recognize that I wont be enjoying it for much longer.

You and the rest of the degens caught up in the catler ERP's should've been sent fudge packing to literally any other site where you have the rest of the fag brigade to back you up and tell you you're heckin' valid. You ever hear of NIMBY? Well, NIMKF. Go back to jizzfest.cum or wherever and you can ERP all you want.
/convo

Josh, Its still baffling to me that the reasoning for this shitshow is:
1. faggots didnt want to be negrated for being faggots
2. start massive faggot-only DM chains to avoid being negrated
3. irritate the fuck outta you only to have you sperg out and disable ratings instead of DM chains

Now the faggots who were trying to hide in DMs from getting negrated for their faggotry have literally no reason to have their suck n' fucks in the open and shit up the site. On top of that, they can still have their 30some femboy-wolf-uwu buttbuddy chain DMs to be in as long as they all consent.

Disabling chain DM's makes more sense to me because you said it yourself, there's three boards just for shitposting where they can go and talk about yiffing or whatever gets their rocks off and at least the rest of the users can once in a while pop in and shame them for being niggerloving faggots.

The solution doesnt fix the problem.

 

[Haloperidol]

They have been discouraged from using this webforum as a forum because they do not feel safe to post as a result of these incessant notifications and looming persistent scorecard ratings. That is FUCKING STUPID. That means the site is broken and is fundamentally failing to encourage people to use it. It means that the reaction system, which exists to provide feedback on individual posts, is having a chilling effect on the entire site.

I am not undoing this. I am observing genuine psychological damage inflicted on people.

Okay. I’ll cop to being a coward who avoids posting sometimes out of some misplaced fear that this is it, this will be the post that finally gets me bullied off the site, so believe me when I tell you you really don’t have to remove a site feature for neurotic retards like me. If I can’t hang that’s my fucking problem.

Hot take but just because a post you made got a lot of pos or negrates doesn't mean you were right or wrong respectively. It just tells you the general opinions of the users reading a thread.

The most Winners I ever got was for completing a niggertower. Ratings don’t mean shit.

 

[Oxous]

I sometimes found it helpful to be able to look at the points score on a user's profile - when I hadn't heard of them previously - and quickly determine that they were retarded or a cow's account if the score was negative by more than two digits. But since that won't be displayed anymore I would like to propose a new system to fill a similar niche, which I tentatively refer to as the "Faggot Indicator".

The concept is simple: each user will be given a single Faggot Point which they will be able to award to one other account. You will be able to award and revoke the Faggot Point at your discretion, and the number of Faggot Points an account has been awarded will be listed on their profile box in the area where the points score once was. I expect that the community will distribute Faggot Points in such a manner that within a short time after introduction it will be possible to see which accounts are controversial or belong to people who have threads on this site.

It would look like this:

 

[Mr. Manchester]

One thing I remember that I saw from sticker notifications was that a while ago a user was reading through the entirety of Ralph's original thread. Didn't say anything about it but every now and then someone would get a like on an ancient post making fun of Ralph's gunt and you'd know where he was in history. I thought that was pretty fun.

If it's too much of a pain in the ass though then do what you do.

 

[i440BX]

I sometimes found it helpful to be able to look at the points score on a user's profile - when I hadn't heard of them previously - and quickly determine that they were retarded or a cow's account if the score was negative by more than two digits. But since that won't be displayed anymore I would like to propose a new system to fill a similar niche, which I tentatively refer to as the "Faggot Indicator".

The concept is simple: each user will be given a single Faggot Point which they will be able to award to one other account. You will be able to award and revoke the Faggot Point at your discretion, and the number of Faggot Points an account has been awarded will be listed on their profile box in the area where the points score once was. I expect that the community will distribute Faggot Points in such a manner that within a short time after introduction it will be possible to see which accounts are controversial or belong to people who have threads on this site.

It would look like this:
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Indeed, there is so much lore behind this forum, it takes some time to learn about its users.

 

[Baraadmirer]

Because I waded through 30 pages of this thread:

No, that shit is fucking gay. All is needed is like/dislike, and agree/disagree, and it definitely doesn't need notifications.

, and I'm letting you know your comment is

I suspect he is going to test if the site metrics and post rate changes. If it doesn't slow down, things will stay as they are.

I suspect post rates are going to go up, and not in a good way.

My favorite thing about sticker notifications is that, in the chance the other user has notifcations turned on, they'll know I thought their post was

I'm quoting you to let you know your post was

I'm in favor of restoring the notifications at a minimum, for most or all of the reasons mentioned above.

As far as it affecting the opinions of posters or the willingness to express unpopular opinions, I think it can do both, for sure. But it's also a mechanism to communicate shared values and beliefs.

Humans rely on a lot of complex social cues and testing "in real life" to create communities that are obviously not possible online so I don't think it's unreasonable to use reaction stickers as a proxy for that. For example, I determined fairly quickly that I am not an "A & H" person for the most part based on how different posts are received.

This isn't unique to this site. Years ago I noticed an increasing shift in the Reddit userbase and determined I was out of sync with them and stopped using the site. That's a good thing, in my opinion. I don't think anyone would argue that I should have spent my time trying to adapt my thinking to fit in there.

Finally, I think reaction scores should be visible again. It's a useful metric for me when encountering outlier opinions, dramatic accusations, or challenging perspectives. There are several threads which by their nature tend to have gay-oppy aspects where people are pushing agendas for reasons not clear in their posts. The reaction score can be a proxy variable for the reliability of a user and it's helpful when parsing a lot of new information and deciding how much weight to give to a particular piece of information.

Did I get a little perturbed when one of my first posts on here got negrated? Sure, but that's life. I'm neutral on the reaction score; while it's nice to know who has opinions that many people on here dislike, I think what's more important is that the person who's being reacted to knows how people are reacting to them, and are hopefully able to discern why.

Stickers are a form of feedback and it seems counterintuitive to remove the ability for people to receive that notification.

I don't get mad if people dislike my post, but if I post something that isn't bait or intentionally contrarian and it gets a ton of negrates, I might wonder if there's a reason why everyone thinks I'm autistic or retarded. I also like seeing if a thread is getting traffic again due to sticker activity picking up weeks or months later.

, and I am giving you this notification so that you understand what my feedback to your comment was.

I think getting rid of stickers would force more users to talk about what is actually bothering them about another's user's post. Then we could use our words like adults to talk things out.

Disagree

And that's a bad thing. Threads already get cluttered up, the last thing we need is 20 people replying to a post saying "right on bro" or "lol no".

This entire comment could have been replaced by a sticker, and neither you nor I are better off for me spending 2 minutes to type it out.

; this would've been a smaller post if everyone I mentioned here were able to see notifications.

I want stickers back but bitching about it isn't going to change Nulls mind. People are more likely to change when they are inconvenienced. The best way to make him notice is to use the annoying replacement for stickers: single word responses to quoted posts, like what @Netizennameless is doing. Yes that will shit up the threads but it's a sacrifice that must be made to get an actually good functionality back.

I don't know what any of you are complaining about. It's perfectly rationale and reasonable to fuck over 95% of your user base because of one faggot.

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If you hadn't screencapped it, I wouldn't have known how he felt about it. If only there was some way...

I have no strong investment re:this on either side, but are you people seriously surprised that the guy who kept kiwifarms running out of spite for years, even with massive groups against him that tried to damage and did damage him personally, repeatedly to probable detriment of his private life and future prospects might choose strange and unpopular hills to die on? I chuckle.

Don't bother rating this post. I'll literally never find it again.

Don't be so sure

Yeah you might burn an extra calorie moving your big sausage finger to click twice instead of once. Lmfao what a fucking overreaction. What do you do if nobody reacts to your post? I guess you completely forget that the thread exists?

"AAAHH YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!! HAVING TO CLICK TWICE IS AN INSURMOUNTABLE EFFORT THAT I JUST AM UNWILLING TO DO! IT'S LITERALLY LIKE CLIMBING MOUNT EVEREST!"

hey guys i need to leave for a few hours can someone rate this comment so i can remember where i was in this thread

tyvm

Today I learned that there are people who use the sticker notifications to navigate the threads they want to read. I now understand what Hadrian felt when he saw the scots and decided to build a fucking wall to keep them away. You barbarians are bereft of God's light.

You quoted me first, retard.

I have to assume everyone itt lives on a ventilator because you're all too stupid to breath on your own

I feel like Null's reasoning is retarded, also, it's 'once' not 'one'.

Reactions still work.
Received reactions are still observable.
There are multiple ways to subscribe to threads.
This does not impact how a normal person operates a normal forum.

I'm sorry but I cannot take anyone begging to be updated every time someone likes your fucking post seriously. If you're actually using that to navigate the site and remember where you're posting you've trained your brain to use the site wrong.

I'm not making any more changes for a week at least. Figure out how forums work. You're not using the forum like a forum, you're using it like twitter. If you want twitter, use twitter.


I am convinced most of you complaining about change are indirectly offloading your upset you can't see your reddit karma by trying to make it sound like a validate complaint. "no really I navigate the entire website by a breadcrumb of sticker alerts, and I simply cannot use it without that." really nigger?

So, you listened to the absolute retards who don't use the site properly anyway and made a sitewide decision because some people were scared to have their feelings hurt on a website that makes fun of people for being retarded? That seems pretty fucking gay.

Another good thing about stickers is that it minimizes the amount of unnecessary replies. If you just want to signify that you like something, you agree with something, you found something informative, or disagree with it, dislike it, or think it's dumb, you can just leave a sticker to leave simple minimal feedback.

That's the big thing for me; I want a person to know how I feel about a post. If they didn't want to see reactions they'd turn off notifications on their own and I'd be reacting into the void.

A reasonable compromise for all of you to hate and hate me for suggesting it:
- All stickers set to 0 points, Achievement trophy being the only exception. Alternatively disable only positive\negative points - it was very entertaining when A&H had only neutral and positive stickers.
- Re-enable sticker notifications but make them turned off by default, like e-mail notifications from DM chains. If some users love them so much, they can manually turn them on in their profile settings.

I wouldn't mind that; scores were tangentially useful for some personal metrics, but ultimately it's letting people how I feel that I find important, and sometimes it doesn't require me to go on a five-paragraph dissertation on whatever point they made.

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In short, I'd like the notifications to be back, don't care much about the score.

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

Looks like I’m Hitler’s top guy.

 

[Omori Boy]

Troon. Automatic Islamic Content.

Ok but say this website was about getting cucked and you said "getting cucked is bad" and everyone negrated you, would it make you change your mind?

 

[LobsterBoy669]

Actual suggestion to address a concern about usability I saw earlier: have a "New Posts" count for Watched Threads. As in, on each of your watched threads, have a little counter somewhere that shows how many new posts have been made since you last read the thread.

That prevents the issue of clicking on a thread you watch that has new posts, only to find there's only been one or two posts since you last read it. It's not a huge deal, but it is mildly annoying, and a counter like that would address it and make the end user experience a little smoother.

 

[Swingletonthesimpleton]

This started because I received feedback from multiple users that they prefer to post in fucking retarded DM chains specifically because they don't want negative feedback on their posts. They have been discouraged from using this webforum as a forum because they do not feel safe to post as a result of these incessant notifications and looming persistent scorecard ratings. That is FUCKING STUPID. That means the site is broken and is fundamentally failing to encourage people to use it. It means that the reaction system, which exists to provide feedback on individual posts, is having a chilling effect on the entire site.

I am not undoing this. I am observing genuine psychological damage inflicted on pepeople.

So a bunch of softskinned retards whined to you that their feelings got hurt and you listened to them? Who the fuck are you and what have you done with Josh?

If i wanted that shit, I'd make a reddit account

 

[Man In A Dress]

The concept is simple: each user will be given a single Faggot Point which they will be able to award to one other account.

Thank you for the Reddit Gold Faggot Point kind stranger!

I'm convinced the site is compromised by Redditors. Kill their dopamine supply.

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

People using your site aren't your enemies.

Something I wish I'd learned sooner in my past experiences.

I liked the notifications because I could check and see if people reacted to a post go back to it, and browse from there or if it was way back in the thread, click out and back in to where I last read.

Was it a dopamine hit? Maybe. But unless 20 people quote you and say "right on" you don't even know if people read or cared about what you say. And what is the point of having a conversation if you don't know if people are listening?

It didn't stop me from reading the whole thread; I am a completionist and even read the 31 pages of this. I still also click on random threads and check them out.

I could care less about the point scores though, and wouldn't mind if there were no points attached to reactions, as many have said. I'm sorry some people were so frightened by the negs that they had to hide in DMs or whatever, but he'll I personally rarely rate negative and if I do it's usually a joke.

Am I using the forum wrong, or do I not understand how to use a Web 1.0 forum? I dunno, but I've been posting on them for almost a quarter century.

Is it somehow stopping me from going to other areas of the site? No, that's my choice. I know I am a jerk who mostly reads and posts in A&N, but it's what I'm interested in. I genuinely like, respect, and value the community here, and I'm sorry, I just don't have the hours in my day to dedicate more time to KF. I have a job and other hobbies I want to do as well.

I would like the notifications back. If they don't come back, I guess I'll make do, just like I do when I plug my phone in my car and it plays whatever song or YT video I last had on. I don't like it, but Samsung, Android, and my car manufacturer have decided that feature is the Correct Way to use Bluetooth audio in my car and I can't change it so I make do. Maybe it will make me a Better User and Poster. Anything is possible.

 

[DOUBLE_WHEEL]

I’ll cop to being a coward who avoids posting sometimes out of some misplaced fear that this is it, this will be the post that finally gets me bullied off the site

This is placing a sign on yourself that says "please bully me"

 

[Artificial Stupidity]

Hot take but just because a post you made got a lot of pos or negrates doesn't mean you were right or wrong respectively. It just tells you the general opinions of the users reading a thread.

That triangle you have disagrees

 

[Man In A Dress]

Ok but say this website was about getting cucked and you said "getting cucked is bad" and everyone negrated you, would it make you change your mind?

>Troon
>Talks about getting cucked
Its like mutts law but for the suicidal

 

[Jewthulhu]

2. start massive faggot-only DM chains to avoid being negrated

That's literally untrue. The people who start and propagate the DM chains are usually the ones who care the least about stickers.

 

[Slav Power]

I've made about Three memes on Cyraxx in Adobe Premiere. I liked knowing that other people laughed and enjoyed them and motivated me to make more.

Okay, here's a guide.

Stickers still work. You can give me any sticker you want for this post.
You can look at what stickers you recently got if you click your username by the notifications and click "Reactions received".
You can look at what stickers people gave you under a post if you go to your post and click on the sticker list. That hasn't been removed.

The only thing that the current changes impact for you right now is the instant gratification. Nothing more.

Right now people are angry, they don't know what's happening and they don't even know what they want. It's chaos, people are spreading Chinese whispers about what got removed, they exaggerate absolutely everything.


Now, here's what's gonna happen. One day you're gonna browse the threads you've always browsed, post the things you always posted. And sooner or later, you'll realize, you haven't thought about the sticker score. And that's the moment, you realize this was never important for you on the forum.

 

[Jump]

People already had the option to turn off the sticker notifications. If they don't like them or get triggered they can turn them off.

Maybe just leave the default off on new registrations and if current users bitch about negrates instruct them to turn off their sticker notifications. Lots of people clearly like the feedback and updoot feeling they get seeing lots of notifications on a post they made.

 

[Heckin’ Fascist Chud]

sticker notifications only brought benefits to most people, and the people who didn’t like them could turn them off. I’m not upset or whatever, I just don’t understand doing this to appease a tiny group.

 

[holyhandgrenade]

Actual suggestion to address a concern about usability I saw earlier: have a "New Posts" count for Watched Threads. As in, on each of your watched threads, have a little counter somewhere that shows how many new posts have been made since you last read the thread.

That prevents the issue of clicking on a thread you watch that has new posts, only to find there's only been one or two posts since you last read it. It's not a huge deal, but it is mildly annoying, and a counter like that would address it and make the end user experience a little smoother.

You know what this means? You and apparently a lot of other people need to touch grass. Oh no a thread only got one new post. How will I ever recover from having to click on it and click away again. It's just so exhausting help me dear feeder!!