Sneedforo & Reactions: The Future of Stickers

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The problem with suggestions like that is it implies certain voices are inherently more important, and complex rules is incentive for the biggest and most annoying faggots to gameify the system.

When you tie decision making into mass user input, it creates an environment of unequals like reddit or Wikipedia.

So it's best to keep it dead simple and purely informational so that there is no benefit in trying to abuse it.
I understand your reasoning of wanting to avoid the "more points=better than" attitude; I have to admit that I got sucked into the "why does this user have as many posts as me but has twice the points?! It's not fair!" mentality near the end, there.

That being said, I think you were onto something with the "award" milestone thing, as a way of tracking a user's individual...let's call it "development" on the site. Take it for what it's worth, but I do think a little bit of "gamification" (as the kids call it) can play a positive role in encouraging and guiding preferred behavior. One idea that I've always thought had promise was using accumulated points to add some individual flair to a user's own profile in some way--like a kiwi bird that starts out plain but gradually gains more decoration as positive feedback is gained, or what have you.
 
The way reactions and stickers currently work is perfectly fine.

Kinda agree with this

I remember the days of vbulletin/mybb reactions and how popular posts would be a total shitpile of dozens of reactions, and I feel like the discord reaction system is pretty much identical to that just with a shinier coat of paint.

The abridged stickers may convey less information, but they convey the most important information: the general sentiment towards the post and the posts total engagement. Anyone who wants more granular information about stickers can just click on the abridged stickers to see more info. As far as reactions go on a forum, it's probably the best system I've seen. The big drawback is, if the new forum software would support real-time reaction updates like discord, it wouldn't be too great.

I'd suggest a hybrid of old and new, for very high engagement (newer) posts, display all reactions like discord and have them update in real time to encourage engagement. Once traffic dies down and people aren't reacting to the post as much, abridge the reactions down to the most popular and total number of reactions like the current system to clutter the post less.
 
I would prefer a shortlist of a user's most reacted to posts on their profile, good or bad. Not only does that show you the kind of poster they are but it highlights everyone at their most Exceptional™ and gives people a new way to discover interesting posts. Even a ratings table people will subconsciously turn into a Reddit karma balancing game.
this is a great idea, but the negative sticker drama comes down to figuring out the motivations behind why people are upset. are people upset at receiving negative stickers because they're obsessed with their reddit score, or are people upset at receiving negative stickers because they don't want to suffer consequences for saying stupid and bad things on an internet forum?

i would guess it's more because people are mad that they're receiving negative attention for their opinion more than the points. in that case your suggestion wouldn't really help because people would still feel attacked if their bad posts are showing up like a badge of shame on their account

i think having no sticker information at all on profiles seems like the best way to let people give feedback on specific posts but prevent gay, estrogen fueled drama goo from squeezing out between the cracks
 
I like how Discord does reacts, although I would probably cap the number of options at a reasonable number.

And if you keep the reactions as we have them today, may I suggest you indicate which are positive, negative, and neutral? I am always wondering whether thinky is a positive or a negative react. Same goes for a few others, because I see them used in various contexts. Someone could say the most obvious thing and Kiwis will react with "informative", which I take is a positive react, but in this case it is being used sarcastically, so in a negative light.
Maybe it's just me, idk.
 
Im glad jewsh finally removed reddit karma from KF. Reactions seem to be fine as they are right now.
 
My singular request is that if you do decide to go with a Discord style of reaction you limit the selection to something similar to the current set. Giving the whole emoji set is terrible. I can just picture every A&H post having this under it:
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something which will get very old very quickly and adds nothing but clutter to any discussion.
 
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i would guess it's more because people are mad that they're receiving negative attention for their opinion more than the points.
Receiving negative attention for stupid things said on the Internet is kind of a theme of the site. And given the way Null has talked about it in the past I have to believe that, no, people really did just start to care about the number. Getting mad at someone and neg rating all their posts has negligible effect on any individual post but it was done to tank their “karma” total and spam their notifications with negative dopamine. That's why those were the parts that got removed.
people would still feel attacked if their bad posts are showing up like a badge of shame on their account
I mean, if their most notable contributions to the forum are their bad posts then I don't know why that's even a problem. Most of those people have a literal pink triangle badge of shame on their account anyway.
 
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On the original question, don't copy discord.

Also: I hate reaction notifications and have them shut off myself, but they are clearly a popular feature that drives engagement.

If you get rid of them make sure to replace with something that will both give dopamine hits and drive / reinforce positive engagement.

This is a pie-in-the-sky thing, but I've always thought reactions should be weighted.

The problem with suggestions like that is it implies certain voices are inherently more important, and complex rules is incentive for the biggest and most annoying faggots to gameify the system.
1. Certain voices are more important.

Some threads & posts are featured - the vast majority are not. Most users' posts will never be featured. Should everyone's posts be featured in the name of fairness?

Talent and ability is not equally distributed. Someone that does two weeks of digging, hard work & in-depth research to make a funny and informative effort post is inherently better than a one-word sperg post.

2. Having some sort of ideological adherence to a "one man, one vote" algorithm doesn't necessarily result in a fair or desirable outcome. Why should a sperg who always writes short thoughtless garbage have the same algorithmic "vote" as someone who is talented and engaged?

3. By giving the two the same weight, it may seem like you are being fair, but you are really overemphasizing the sperg at the expense of effort poster (relative to their respective contributions.)


When you tie decision making into mass user input, it creates an environment of unequals like reddit or Wikipedia.
The current highlight function literally works this way. It's an algorithm that "ties decision making into mass user input".

( It's even subject to manipulation! )

Unless you are going to have mods select highlights, you are going to have to have an algorithm do it.

Wikipedia has become a cesspit because of top-down editorial policy, infiltration, and censorship Not because they selected the wrong algorithm.

So it's best to keep it dead simple and purely informational so that there is no benefit in trying to abuse it.

This is the part where I somewhat agree.

Simpler is typically better - not because of some sort of algorithmic purity test, but because simpler usually makes system behavior easier to understand and predict.

As for 'abusing the algorithm", that's always a risk. It's something that cryptocurrencies deal with on a daily basis.

The challenge is to write and/or utilize an algorithm that achieves the desired effect, whatever that is (i.e. highlight high quality or informative posts) while preventing undesirable outcomes (gaming the system).
 
So as far as notifications go…


I kinda like the Reddit system of only notifying you if your post gets lots of Hecking updoots. Or maybe if your post get highlighted.
 
I'm going to go for option 1. As much as I like the current system, the old presentation (being able to see all of the reactions as well as how many of each) is quite nice, and that's the closer option given.
I hate how every website wants to change to be like the Current Thing™, it homogenizes the whole internet into the same slop. Let the farms have a non-discord/reddit method, it's a nice break from the usual goyslop.
 
I like the current reaction set, don't think we're lacking any useful ones except for maybe a nice 😂. Full Unicode set would be a little gross.

Discord-style display on posts and overall tally on profile instead of reaction-score would be very nice.
 
Tangentially related, but a reaction for "schizo" or even "pessimistic" would be helpful
 
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I just got my first sticker notification since the great happening earlier this year. Are we so back?
 
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