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Sweeter and Savoury said:
the snide shots at men
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Can you name any snide jab at men in nineties Star Trek?
Picard could be and was humiliated, not often but it did happen. It made him more relatable and a better character. Sisko was black so he was more resistant but he was wrong every now and then but I can't recall a single time he was seen being humiliated or crying like Picard.
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They treat Sisko with kid gloves in the first few seasons because he's the first black Captain.

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As for personality flaws, he has anger management issues. Punching consoles in "A Time to Stand", his whole one-sided rivalry with Eddington. He lost a debate to a Vulcan and gets heated in a rehearsal for a debate in "Pale Moonlight". Not hesitant to use violence, he is tempted to take out Keevan, a defenseless Vorta, to save time on paperwork.
 
Ultraman Orb Dark said:
Not sure if this counts because it's late 80s, but what about "Angel One"??
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And? What about it? Maybe I’m just being dense.

Beata (and I had to look her name up, she has the charisma of a dial tone) is like Space Dworkin and you’ve got Troi openly cracking up at Riker showing up dressed like Rod Stewart. If the episode did have a point (doubtful) it was “matriarchy is the same as patriarchy."
 
Captain Syrup said:
If the episode did have a point (doubtful) it was “matriarchy is the same as patriarchy."
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Mr. Racewar1488 said:
"Oh no, I have to be objectified by a planet of dommy mommies! Please, captain, don't assign me to this away mission!" Riker says sarcastically.
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I guess I thought the episode was treating the position the men on Planet Dom/Sub had as a joke. My bad.
 
Ultraman Orb Dark said:
I guess I thought the episode was treating the position the men on Planet Dom/Sub had as a joke. My bad.
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I mean, the “reverse sexism” is treated like a joke. The whole thing is like a punishment for paying attention to an episode of Star Trek. 

Apparently they wanted to do some kind of apartheid allegory and that's where people actually revolted. Some of the cast even pushed back and Gene just waved it off because he didn’t understand why anyone would drag politics into big lady spank muscle man. 1000092874.png

I’m convinced removing the politics didn’t change anything. Star Trek is not at its best when it tries to do gender wars.

 
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Tasty Tatty said:
The Ferengi have money and they've definitely elevated from "Damn capitalists!" to "cool nice guys" during DS9.
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and even if the races in the quadrant don't have a unique currency, we saw on ENT for example that they would pay in plasma.
 
Captain Syrup said:
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And? What about it? Maybe I’m just being dense.

Beata (and I had to look her name up, she has the charisma of a dial tone) is like Space Dworkin and you’ve got Troi openly cracking up at Riker showing up dressed like Rod Stewart. If the episode did have a point (doubtful) it was “matriarchy is the same as patriarchy."
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There is a small detail they mention of how women there are bigger than men, so it's a matter of evolution and biology that women rule in the same way men are dominant for being male, not because they all agreed to oppress women.
 
I don't get all the Enterprise hate.

After re-watching it I actually enjoyed it. I can see where it could have been done much much much better but overall I liked it more then Voyager. Jeffery Combs is as awesome as always. Shran is a very good character and I liked him more then Archer. T'Pol was decent and I enjoy the love arc. As a man who married a ginger I have much empathy for those who get involved with alien creatures so I feel for Trip and sympathize with his desire to integrate into a community that really just hates him for being there.

The Tellerites were interesting when they showed up, I like the early Klingons, the Romulans were meh but not bad. The Time War was trite but it was shoehorned in on the studio's demands so I won't hold that against the show.

Over all I would say I enjoyed like 80% of the episodes, so it's just below TNG for me in ranking and far above any Voyager ones.

Then again I enjoyed that bowel impaction more then most Voyager episodes.
 
Sweeter and Savoury said:
I don't get all the Enterprise hate.

After re-watching it I actually enjoyed it. I can see where it could have been done much much much better but overall I liked it more then Voyager. Jeffery Combs is as awesome as always. Shran is a very good character and I liked him more then Archer. T'Pol was decent and I enjoy the love arc. As a man who married a ginger I have much empathy for those who get involved with alien creatures so I feel for Trip and sympathize with his desire to integrate into a community that really just hates him for being there.

The Tellerites were interesting when they showed up, I like the early Klingons, the Romulans were meh but not bad. The Time War was trite but it was shoehorned in on the studio's demands so I won't hold that against the show.

Over all I would say I enjoyed like 80% of the episodes, so it's just below TNG for me in ranking and far above any Voyager ones.

Then again I enjoyed that bowel impaction more then most Voyager episodes.
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It's honestly a show that doesn't need Klingons if they're going to go with the Xindi as the big bad. Klingons are recognizable and all, but the Andorians and the Tellarites fulfill the role of belligerent frenemies and they've got less lore to keep track of. The show could have ripped off Babylon 5 harder by just keeping to the TOS-era races constantly competing with each other and Archer is the key to keeping the peace. The goal of that show was to explain how the Federation formed, but it takes a while to get to that point.
 
I think the Klingon had a place in Enterprise but in my world they would have been pretty rare. Maybe a season ender?

I always got the feeling the writers had a very different story they wanted to tell but when the ratings were not what they were expecting they panicked and the studio stepped in with the big time war to try to get some of those millennium eyeballs who love big explosions and loud booms.

Not realizing of course that this was a Star Trek show an not something most millennials would ever think about watching. So to gain an audience that would never be interested they sacrificed the built in audience.

Sound familiar? It seems that Star Trek lead the way for a lot of things, not all of them good.
 
Sweeter and Savoury said:
The not so subtle jabs at capitalism, the edgy gender shit, the snide shots at men and the unstoppable girl boss that was Janeway. Seriously she never loses, is never wrong.
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What about Year of Hell? Basics, when her ship gets stolen by the fucking Kazon of all people? What about Scorpion when she loses against Species 8472 till she makes a deal with Borg? Equinox, where she almost loses her moral standing and ethics?
Picard never had a bunch of ooga booga quasi primitives steal his ship and got stranded on some random planet.

Granted, it pretty much always goes back to the status quo after, but still, saying she never loses and is never wrong is incorrect.
 
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