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[IAmNotAlpharius]

He's fine, he's just hyper autistic. My ears are calloused to that at this point, and he was decent at keeping it brief and letting the TTS be the human sounding one. I will never be able to separate the odd inflections of the TTS from my memories of The All Guardsman Party.

She however is just the blistering caricature of the Thot who hooks up with an internet sped, injects herself into their content (or is put on display by the creator to virgin signal), and makes the entire process unbearable. She reads about as well as a third grader, and she's so giddy at being the center of attention she can't make it through a single fucking sentence with out snickering.

I find her annoying too and I preferred it when it was just the TTS. Unfortunately a lot of Americans will like anything with an accent.

He's now posting on Rumble:
https://rumble.com/c/c-481744

That’s good to know. I’ve never used Rumble before, hopefully it doesn’t get the ban hammer like every other YouTube alternative.

 

[BridgeTroll]

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I have never heard of any of these Games or Awards. You might as well write "Biggest Pumpkin of Des Moines 2003" into your Bio.

Also his Kickstarter description has a few more adjectives.:

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

I realized that the r/sigmarxism faq hasn’t been posted yet. It highlights their views well.

Spoiler: Sigmarxism FAQ

Official r/Sigmarxism FAQ
Sigmarxism


This subreddit has been ticking along for over a year, in which we've fostered a vibrant and active community. In that time, we've also spotted patterns of frequently asked questions, circuitous debates, or common misconceptions.
This FAQ was a group effort on the part of the mod team and many members of the discord server. We hope that it will become a living document that provides a solid foundation for what the subreddit stands for. While we don't expect there to be a universal consensus about the issues raised below, this FAQ represents the kind of community we want cultivate.
NOTE: if a moderator has linked this thread to you, likely citing a specific section, please read it.

Section 1 - Newbie questions​

The following is an introduction to the subreddit, it's general philosophies and community etiquette.
1a. Is this subreddit satirical or serious? What’s the agenda here?

We like to joke around, but this is sincerely intended to be a space for leftist wargamers. As for what the subreddit’s raison d'etre is, you’ll get a different response depending on who you ask. Sigmarxism can be for sharing memes, framing the hobby through theory, or even just showing off minis in a place free of bigotry. The post flairs represent this: Gitpost(memes), Fink-peece (essays and discussion) ‘Obby (painting, modelling, writing and other aspects of the wargaming hobby) and Foot of Dork (chud screenshots the mods have approved, see rule 4).
The true origins of subreddit, though, are shrouded in mystery. Some say the subreddit exploded into being when enough purple was crammed in one place. Others maintain it was formed over seven days by the omnipotent god Sigmarx himself. Stir claims he just wanted a warhammer subreddit where the memes would be actually funny, but most dismiss these ramblings as heresay.

1b. Why does a leftist Warhammer subreddit even exist? I’ve never met a Wargaming nazi.

It’s possible you’re sheltered enough to have never met any, but many exist openly. This subreddit also recognizes that an average so-called centrist or apolitical wargamer often upholds certain reactionary tendencies too. Also, many “apolitical” wargaming spaces actively allow harmful ideologies, behaviors, and opinions to fester, while decrying outwardly “political” ones (i.e. trying to deflect from critques that allude to sexism, homophobia, racism etc.). A leftist sub is a place for leftists to congregate, discuss hobby, politics, and praxis together without needing to self-censor or feel left out.

1c. What is the difference between liberal and leftist?

Leftists are anti-capitalist, liberals aren't. They often agree on common causes in the form of social issues, such as opposing systemic racism, LGBT+ oppression and abortion restricions. Where they disagree is how to tackle those at an economic level; leftists advocate for establishing a socialist/anarchist society (which involves dismantling unjust racial/economic/gender hierachies), while liberals are advocates of moderate reform and accusing revolutionaries of incivility.

1d. So are liberals allowed? Which ideology is this subreddit FOR?

Ideally, a broad coalition of Anarchists, Marxists and other leftists. The "Marxism" in the name should be a clue that we believe a leftist critique is better than a liberal one, and this will be reflected if mods need to curate content. If you are a liberal, we still have many causes in common, like LGBT+ rights or not giving fascism a single inch.

1e. Why do you criticize liberals when you should be criticizing the far right?

We DO criticize the far right. However, it is important to recognize liberals a) presume themselves allies while often being an impediment to real change and b) fetishize civility and the free marketplace of ideas in a way that benefits bad-faith right-wingers. “At least a fascist will stab me in the front,” or “scratch a fascist and a liberal bleeds” are two apt sayings here.

1f. Can I post this screenshot of u/IQscore1488painting swastikas on Death Korps of Krieg?

This is a contentious topic. On the one hand, r/Sigmarxism is one of the few safe spaces for wargamers to avoid transphobia, racism or other bigotry, do we have to have it here as well? But you've probably also had this experience: you mention the neo-nazis in the wargaming community and some dude pipes up with "what neo-nazis? I've never seen neo-nazis". It can be instructive to demonstrate there is a legit toxicity problem. However, we want to ensure that the ecosystem isn't overpowered with "look at this reactionary loser" posts and so we've instituted rule 4. Mods will act as curators and remove repetitive content, read the rule for more details.

1g. But I’m a Marxist/anarchist, so why was I banned?

Simple: Don't Punch Left. This sub is a space for all leftists who enjoy the Warhammer hobby. Sometimes there will be more memes from one ideology than another, this isn't an invitation to trash talk in the comments or an endorsement of the particular ideology. Mods will remove posts and comments which attack other leftists more than rightwing ideology-- this is not a place for struggle sessions, insults or petty attacks.

1h. Why do you hate Games Workshop? They’re just hard-working people/they used to be bad but Nu-GW is good!

It’s possible to like the people who work for GW while maintaining skepticism of a company whose primary aim is to acquire profit. They do so by charging as much as they can get away with while extracting excess value from the labour of their employees. We all recognize the tension inherent in being anti-capitalists and also fans of a corporate-produced product, welcome to 'no ethical consumption under capitalism'. For many of us, this hobby is the thing we do to relieve the stresses of the world, not ignore them.

1i. Since you’re all anti-corporate, it’s cool to ask for/peddle recast sites, right?

No. While we cannot control activities that users partake of in DMs or offsite, publicly naming recasters and linking to their websites, goods, or even catalogs can land this sub in hot water (not to mention the recasters themselves if people are careless). Please follow general logic here; we are not a sub for illegally distributed goods. That may sound contradictory to our leftist ideologies but we are bound by Reddit TOS here.

1j. Is it ok to discuss/meme about non-GW games?

Absolutely! Many Warhammer fans enjoy Warmachine, Bolt Action, or Infinity, and said games have the same problems with right wingers as Warhammer does. However, the majority of users here are more familiar with GW products. Feel free to discuss other IPs but don’t be bummed out if your posts don't get as much traction.

1k. Is there a Discord?

There is a Discord which is loosely affiliated to the sub (the mod team is different). It's a leftist space, the users have had input on the FAQ and so if you find yourself disagreeing with the subreddit's stated positions (or you're not old enough to drive) it is probably not the server for you. For more info, message u/Kay_Bees1.

1l. Not a question but we'll finish this section off with a list of bad takes. Doing this stuff will get mods to step in, so don't find yourself:

1. Supporting cops
2. Claiming communists are "the real fascists", actually
3. Claiming Joe Biden/Kier Starmer/Liberal Democrats etc. are leftist, actually
4. Claiming that LGBTQ rights/fighting against racism is a distraction from class politics
5. Claiming electoralism is the ONLY or BEST way to achieve progressive aims
6. Claiming the IRA are the baddies

And so on.

Section 2 - Lore questions​

The following are answers to popular lore or game-related questions/debates that don't need further litigation on the subreddit and can just be answered.
2a. Is the Imperium actually fascist, though? Isn't it actually theocratic/feudal/monarchic?

YES, it's fascist.
The Imperium doesn't 100% replicate any specific past version of fascism, but that is an unreasonable standard. Was Nazi Germany truly fascist? They pioneered privatisation in a way no previous fascist movement had advocated, perhaps it would be better to describe them as authoritarian National capitalists? No.
That said, Francoist Spain is a useful comparison. It was a fascist state AND a monarchy (the two needn't be contradictory) and also had a "hegemonic", extralegal Catholic church that played "a central role in policing the country's citizens" (mirroring the role of the Ecclesiarchy in 40k).
Neither is invoking "fuedalism" a sufficient counter-argument, since the ways in which the Imperium resembles decentralised fuedalism is a result of crumbling authority since the great crusade.
Essentially, all the arguments against the Imperium as fascist rely on isolating a single aspect of the lore and potraying it as a contradiction rather than viewing the case in its totality. A better question might be WHY someone is arguing against the obvious truth of the "Imperium = fash" statement.
Sometimes it's people who have realised that, unlike Nazi Germany, The Imperium has a monarch and a hegemonic state church. Since the Nazis are the only example of existing fascism they know about know about, they proudly point to these inconsistencies as nuanced analysis. Then, of course, you have those doing it because they want to root for the protagonists and don't like the 'bad word'. The argument is equally incorrect whoever makes it, but we should distinguish between the misinformed and the unreasonable.
In conclusion, it doesn't matter what some politically illiterate YouTuber has grunted into his gaming headset, the Imperium is fascist. You'll have better luck arguing your dried-out pot of Zandri Dust into being wet than disputing this.

2b. Do you think Imperium PLAYERS are fascist?

No. This is a game of pulpy grimdark fun and you’re free to play whatever faction you want. However, those who unironically support and legitimize the Imperium’s genocides, xenophobia and oppression are at the very least fascist-adjacent. It is critically important to separate “player” from “faction”; YOU are not the “sword of the emperor”, you are a person playing in a game setting. It is ok to play bad people, but not to idolize or BE those people.

2c. If the Imperium is so bad, what about Roboute Guiliman's reforms/Vulkan's kindness/the Emperor’s justified distrust of Xenos? Aren’t they good guys?

These "good guys" have slaughtered trillions: humans and aliens, peaceful or otherwise - and this is all thousands of years before the setting gets really grimdark. Our sweet reformist Guilliman was so efficient at these genocides and cultural eradications that he wrote the Codex Astartes. The WHOLE POINT of the Imperium is that their commitment to disproportionate violence, opaque institutions and hatred of aliens is why they are doomed to fail.

2d. Do we NEED Female Space Marines? Wouldn't Sisters of Battle/female Guard be enough?

Astartes and Sororitas are NOWHERE NEAR equal in terms of spotlight, either in terms of model releases or placement in the lore. If Sisters had separate codices for different orders, multiple important characters, and/or a Chaos variation, and, in addition, if the armies that are canonically mixed-gender such as the Guard had female models, THEN this argument would be a little more credible, but it still wouldn’t because it would still imply some intangible reason for gender difference. Why do you NEED Space Marines to even be explicitly and only masculine at all? In a fictional setting, there is no reason to hardcode discrimination or other issues into your setting unless you’re lazy, careless, or actively harmful.
Same goes for arguing that Celestial Lions/White Scars are sufficient ethnic representation. If you think shunting minorities into the corner constitutes diverse representation, you either lack empathy or you're being diesgenuious.

2e. Why do you want the Imperium to be more progressive? Isn’t that just rainbow fascism?

Gender parity in a dystopia of xenophobia and brutality doesn’t magically make said regime progressive (the Nazis implemented animal welfare policies and it would be preposterous to say that made them progressive). The Imperium’s crimes are not based on gender oppression, the neglect of women in prominent roles is not a thematically essential one, but an arbitrary “it didn’t occur to them to include them” deal. Adding diversity doesn't make them any less grimdark and evil. In addition, having more representation in the most popular and advertised faction could help end tabletop gaming’s reputation as a boys' club.
This also means there's no contradiction between wanting the Imperium to have more diverse representation and recognising that they're still the bad guys.

2f. But we'd have to change the lore! Isn't it important to preserve the lore?

The core idea of Warhammer as a hobby is having a cool sandbox milieu which allows you to customize and create your own stories (hence the multitudes of gaps in maps and timeline, the missing Primarchs etc.). The main faction having a ‘no girls allowed’ policy is an impediment to the game’s own “your minis, your story” intentions. The setting has evolved to accomodate women in literally every other facet BUT this one, and it feels very stupid.

2g. Does r/Sigmarxism want to make Imperium communist?

Though this is a subreddit of diverse views, we'd wager few of us actually want GW to 'make imperium communist'. It's your hobby, if you want to paint your Grey Knights with ancom colours you are welcome to do so. It's worth noting that most Warhammer 40,000 fans like the setting because of the grimdark, apocalyptic horror. In fact, the main criticism of the current direction of 40k lore you'll read around here is how the gradual softening and in-lore justification of the Imperium's fascism compromises this dystopian tone. This is the great irony of reactionaries claiming leftists want to "change their precious lore": we understand the original intent of the text better than they do.

2h. Which chapter of space marines is the most leftist?

None of them, sorry. Paint and play whatever army you want, but there are no leftist Space Marines in the lore, either traitor or loyalist. Warhammer 40,000 is a rare IP with a protagonist faction which is basically irredeemable. Within the Grimdark setting, you have still some preferable alternatives, such as parts of Tau and Eldar culture, the Genestealer Cults (if you can forgive the fact they're a parody of leftism) or the Grot Revolutionary Committee (if you can get excited for a total 200 words of story).
Should you want an easier time relating to factions, AoS might be the setting for you, but even there you've got a lot of moral complications. If weighing the lefty cred of various Warhammer factions is your jam check out the Ultimate Comrade Championship, a voting tournament we run about twice a year to settle these debates.

2i. I've heard that T'au are communists, is this true? Don't they have a caste system? Aren't they ruled by mind control?

Okay, let's go one by one.
A. T'au have many leftist themes (their commitment to solidarity across species or enshrining the rights of their workers) but the lore doesn't give us enough detail about their economy to make definitive claims. Nonetheless, is objectively inaccurate to call T'au communist* because communism requires the 'withering away of the state': the state is inherently a bourgeois tool that perpetuates class hierarchy. T'au have a centrally planned state and are clearly designed to evoke certain elements of Maoist China or the USSR (those nations were socialist and not communist).
B. T’au society is divided into population segments that are called "castes", but rather than the hierarchical, racialized class system this might imply, these "castes" are more like distinct cultures whose societal roles are different but hierarchical status isn't (except for the Ethereals, the rulers). Like many things about the T'au lore, it's likely the term "caste" is used as an orientalist signifier to emphasize their East-Asian theme and aesthetic.
C. Ethereals using mind control is hinted at, but ambiguous (and worth noting that the lore is written from an Imperial point of view). You're free to accept this as your preferred interpretation but it falls into the same category as "Tyranids are fleeing a greater threat" or "Alpha Legion is still secretely loyalist".
In conclusion, there are many arguments for why T'au are the "least bad" faction in 40k so it's no coincidence they're coded left-wing (though Games Workshop has responded to fan backlash about them "not being grimdark" and made them less sympathetic). You're free to like them or not, just worth correcting a few things people say about them.

2j. Why are there no AoS themed questions?

Turns out a game which doesn't have built-in appeal for reactionaries doesn't have the same problem with reactionaries. Who woulda thunk. There’s no real need to give detailed FAQs since the setting isn’t about a bunch of fascist factions. Also, AoS has Ogors. Ogors are comrades.

2k. Can I say the N-word?

No, Ninth Age is banned.

2l. Does r/Sigmarxism hate 40k?

Sigh. No...

https://preview.redd.it/rjnmj1qw943...bp&s=21e3327547df34559a655d321bd4cbf431dbc5ea

2m. Similarly to the previous section, we'll end the Lore FAQ with a list of common takes that get refuted frequently enough to warrant a mini-section.

1. Any biological argument against female Space Marines is peak thermian argumentshit, with the added factor that it's promoting really incorrect science.
2. Arguments that Salamanders constitute PoC representation ignores that they are canonically just “normal marines” (in practice this tends to mean white, their minis use the same 'European' facial features as other Marines) with a mutation that turns their skin jet black and eyes red. Please don't use space minstrels as stand-ins for diversity.
3. Arguments that Mechanicus are woke!Look, we're all happy that there is a smattering of NB representation among the Mechanicus, this is a step forward in terms of representation. They're also just as fascist as the rest of the Imperium (they torture, lobotomise, enslave, and that's not even getting into the Thallaxii, Skitarii or Tech Thralls), so let's not pretend they're progressive.

3a. Can I use this FAQ for a clickbait YouTube video?
Feel free, but be aware Stir is the chaos god of posting and mentioning his content only makes his cone swell with ketogenesis.

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[Inquisitor_BadAss]

They hate games workshop but they play the game and buy the product . . . Sounds about right.

 

[NerdShamer]

Yeah, in terms of genocide, the World Eaters, Night Lords, and Iron Warriors were geared towards this while they were loyal-ish to the Imperium. The Space Wolves were (secretly) made to be the Emperor's executioners towards the Thousand Sons, but that was the work of Horus. And the Ultramarines were essentially running the 40K equivalent of the Roman Empire, but without resorting to outright genocide.

And ironically, the Imperium of Mankind is essentially what happens when Marxism refuses to be reasonable and demands that people hand over their goods, their psychics (totally justifiable), and lives towards a distance war that will only be won through sheer attrition. Of course, there's other problems that are making the Imperium an hellhole, like the Inquisition, the Tech-Priests, and the church; but that's part of the fun.

And remember that time when the Iron Hands executed a fraction of a city that called them for being weak?

 

[ExsanguinateHorizon]

This obsession nu-fans have with female Space Marines and general progressivism is weird as fuck. They really should just make their own game.

-Sororitas/Silence already exist and are vicious as fuck. Are they saying they are not equals to Astartes?
-Females hold equal position in literally every other occupation
-Warhams doesn't have to be 'accurately accurate' but if you wanted FeMarines to be as effective as males they'd just look like men. And think of the upkeep cost! Spay and neuter your Astartes.
-Most of the known characters might be 'white' but if you think Marines are mostly white because of 'eurocentric features' that's literally your own racist mental problem
-Many Mechanicus want to transcend flesh and the very concept of biology, not representation but total nullification of something they find vestigial. Something these 'gender isn't real but validate my gender' hypocrites can't conceptualize.

None of these people virtue signaling actually care about anything than being performative. They're infinitely more neckbeardy than the neckbeards they think they're above.

 

[NerdShamer]

This obsession nu-fans have with female Space Marines and general progressivism is weird as fuck. They really should just make their own game.

-Sororitas/Silence already exist and are vicious as fuck. Are they saying they are not equals to Astartes?
-Females hold equal position in literally every other occupation
-Warhams doesn't have to be 'accurately accurate' but if you wanted FeMarines to be as effective as males they'd just look like men. And think of the upkeep cost! Spay and neuter your Astartes.
-Most of the known characters might be 'white' but if you think Marines are mostly white because of 'eurocentric features' that's literally your own racist mental problem
-Many Mechanicus want to transcend flesh and the very concept of biology, not representation but total nullification of something they find vestigial. Something these 'gender isn't real but validate my gender' hypocrites can't conceptualize.

None of these people virtue signaling actually care about anything than being performative. They're infinitely more neckbeardy than the neckbeards they think they're above.

Found a vid on this.

 

[Kanuckski]

This obsession nu-fans have with inclusivity, PoC, female Space Marines and general progressivism is weird as fuck. They really should just make their own game.

-Sororitas/Silence already exist and are vicious as fuck. Are they saying they are not equals to Astartes?
-Females hold equal position in literally every other occupation
-Warhams doesn't have to be 'accurately accurate' but if you wanted FeMarines to be as effective as males they'd just look like men. And think of the upkeep cost! Spay and neuter your Astartes.
-Most of the known characters might be 'white' but if you think Marines are mostly white because of 'eurocentric features' that's literally your own racist mental problem
-Many Mechanicus want to transcend flesh and the very concept of biology, not representation but total nullification of something they find vestigial. Something these 'gender isn't real but validate my gender' hypocrites can't conceptualize.

None of these people virtue signaling actually care about anything than being performative. They're infinitely more neckbeardy than the neckbeards they think they're above.

I find that that the people who push this sort of stuff that actually participate in the hobby tend to come from a view point of appreciating the "political commentary" of the failure of fascism represented by the Imperium. I find that they usually stay away from the Imperium's factions outside of Sisters of Battle in regards to their wider interests in the universe though. They actually tend to end up playing Orks in my experience, if they play at all. Since like almost all young people who get into 40K these days, they mostly stay faux fans due to their young age not allowing them to seriously pick up product and get into the hobby and not wanting to read the books.

Yeah, in terms of genocide, the World Eaters, Night Lords, and Iron Warriors were geared towards this while they were loyal-ish to the Imperium. The Space Wolves were (secretly) made to be the Emperor's executioners towards the Thousand Sons, but that was the work of Horus. And the Ultramarines were essentially running the 40K equivalent of the Roman Empire, but without resorting to outright genocide.

And ironically, the Imperium of Mankind is essentially what happens when Marxism refuses to be reasonable and demands that people hand over their goods, their psychics (totally justifiable), and lives towards a distance war that will only be won through sheer attrition. Of course, there's other problems that are making the Imperium an hellhole, like the Inquisition, the Tech-Priests, and the church; but that's part of the fun.

And remember that time when the Iron Hands executed a fraction of a city that called them for being weak?

This is autistic of me to correct you like this, but unless there's recent sources I've not paid attention to since I've taken a break from 40k until recently. The idea of the Space Wolves being the Emperor's Executioners for pontential use against other legions is very old news and in current Horus Heresy dated lore; the title is earned because of their extreme loyalty and their very high success rate during the Great Crusade. This being despite the fact they were sent to crack some of the hardest planets of the GC.

 

[NerdShamer]

Yeah, it's been a while since I've read up on 40k lore, unfortunately.

 

[gangweedfan]

They hate games workshop but they play the game and buy the product . . . Sounds about right.

They will ban you actually if you ask for the stl files (files used to print something on a 3d printer) for games workshop stuff. So they wont even help poorfags play the game because they are too scared of the reddit jannies. The latest happening on the subreddit is that GW announced some new model for age of sigmar but the writer used "they" instead of "him" and it slipped past the editor. Even though it was an obvious mistake everyone on the subreddit Thought that this ment he was nonbinary and got pissed when it was corrected a day later. they are making a bunch of stupid posts about it but This one is the funniest.

This obsession nu-fans have with female Space Marines and general progressivism is weird as fuck. They really should just make their own game.

-Sororitas/Silence already exist and are vicious as fuck. Are they saying they are not equals to Astartes?
-Females hold equal position in literally every other occupation
-Warhams doesn't have to be 'accurately accurate' but if you wanted FeMarines to be as effective as males they'd just look like men. And think of the upkeep cost! Spay and neuter your Astartes.
-Most of the known characters might be 'white' but if you think Marines are mostly white because of 'eurocentric features' that's literally your own racist mental problem
-Many Mechanicus want to transcend flesh and the very concept of biology, not representation but total nullification of something they find vestigial. Something these 'gender isn't real but validate my gender' hypocrites can't conceptualize.

None of these people virtue signaling actually care about anything than being performative. They're infinitely more neckbeardy than the neckbeards they think they're above.

They were also seething about how the mechanicus use male or female pronouns. They want to have representation in warhammer so they can more easily use the game as a personality for themselves in place of a real one. The same can be said of other sci-fi out there these days like steven universe. It really makes no sense for a bunch of aliens to follow human conventions of sexuality but they do in the show because trannies and leftists only care about sci-fi if they can relate to it and not because they can enjoy it as an alien thing.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

Thanks to the wu Flu all the shit that happens in war gaming is old news but this one always blows my mind. To put a long story short a school reported one of their students under the prevent program to the police. His crime? He played war games specifically one called A Very British Civil War which is set in an alternate 1938 where as the title suggests civil war breaks out in Britain. Well the cops decided this was a waste of time and the kids dad made a video

For those who in the thread who aren’t fish and chips, the prevent program is a training course given to teachers as a way of identifying students who may have been “radicalised”. It works wonders as you can imagine.

 

[NerdShamer]

Thanks to the wu Flu all the shit that happens in war gaming is old news but this one always blows my mind. To put a long story short a school reported one of their students under the prevent program to the police. His crime? He played war games specifically one called A Very British Civil War which is set in an alternate 1938 where as the title suggests civil war breaks out in Britain. Well the cops decided this was a waste of time and the kids dad made a video

For those who in the thread who aren’t fish and chips, the prevent program is a training course given to teachers as a way of identifying students who may have been “radicalised”. It works wonders as you can imagine.

Farther proof that the British are falling behind the times, and it'll only get worse. But hey, the kid was being patriotic by siding with the Brits.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

This obsession nu-fans have with female Space Marines and general progressivism is weird as fuck. They really should just make their own game.

-Sororitas/Silence already exist and are vicious as fuck. Are they saying they are not equals to Astartes?
-Females hold equal position in literally every other occupation
-Warhams doesn't have to be 'accurately accurate' but if you wanted FeMarines to be as effective as males they'd just look like men. And think of the upkeep cost! Spay and neuter your Astartes.
-Most of the known characters might be 'white' but if you think Marines are mostly white because of 'eurocentric features' that's literally your own racist mental problem
-Many Mechanicus want to transcend flesh and the very concept of biology, not representation but total nullification of something they find vestigial. Something these 'gender isn't real but validate my gender' hypocrites can't conceptualize.

None of these people virtue signaling actually care about anything than being performative. They're infinitely more neckbeardy than the neckbeards they think they're above.

I need to do some digging for some old archives on some defunct forums but I remember even in 2003 there were debates on female marines and there was a pajeet who really liked talking about what sex with a female marine would be like. I can recall that some of his posts made me laugh my ass off and initially I thought he was a fake persona. He clearly had a Waifu who was the chapter master. He was a proto-SJW and I wouldn’t be surprised if he trooned out by now.

Thanks to the wu Flu all the shit that happens in war gaming is old news but this one always blows my mind. To put a long story short a school reported one of their students under the prevent program to the police. His crime? He played war games specifically one called A Very British Civil War which is set in an alternate 1938 where as the title suggests civil war breaks out in Britain. Well the cops decided this was a waste of time and the kids dad made a video

For those who in the thread who aren’t fish and chips, the prevent program is a training course given to teachers as a way of identifying students who may have been “radicalised”. It works wonders as you can imagine.

What the school did was insane. It was also counterintuitive. That kind of overreaction is more likely to create radicals than put an end to them.

 

[Emperor Julian]

This obsession nu-fans have with female Space Marines and general progressivism is weird as fuck. They really should just make their own game.

In my experiance their are effectively four types of advocate for female space marines
1)creepers who want fap material
2)Sjw's types who are spoiling to fight over some thing asinine.
3)hack journalists looking for 'start a discussion' aka get a load of hate clicks
4)a mix of all three.

The ultimate counter to female space marines is their arnt actually any good arguements for them. Only counter arguements to objections. You'll notice Sigmarxism didnt even really have an arguement, much less a good one.

Edit:the sheer size of the sigmarxism is odd 19.2k with 140 + views at any time for a highly niche fairly asinine sub-sub-sub-sub culture is suprising. I mean realistic how many people could they realistically expect to be a mega hard left with an over emphasis on transgenderism and wants that combined with their incredably niche hobby AND posts on reddit. I mean you're talking the equivelant of a large town overall and a major social event at all times.

It's quite suspicious when I think on it.

 

[Love Machine]

I need to do some digging for some old archives on some defunct forums but I remember even in 2003 there were debates on female marines and there was a pajeet who really liked talking about what sex with a female marine would be like. I can recall that some of his posts made me laugh my ass off and initially I thought he was a fake persona. He clearly had a Waifu who was the chapter master. He was a proto-SJW and I wouldn’t be surprised if he trooned out by now.

What the school did was insane. It was also counterintuitive. That kind of overreaction is more likely to create radicals than put an end to them.

My dear friend, you have done a fabulous job with the thread. 2 Things of note however. It should be mentioned that Gamza took a 9 month long hiatus due to an autistic slap fight with major kill. The fight was arguing about whether 40k was losing its grimdark. a Tl;dr on that is essentially that Majorkill thinks its fine now, and you cant have everything cartoonishly dark or else it becomes grim derp, and Gamza essentially wants grim derp, but he takes it seriously.
videos of slap fight in order.

It looks like gamza has recently comeback and deleted the majorkill videos in an ill advised ploy to latch on 40k's current popularity.


I also think you should add a bit more about ToC. He has great takes, but boy does that boy seethe.
The dichotomy between HH and 40k might also be worth getting into, do to the ""elitism"", A nice throwback could be the autism back in the day about using FW in 40k. The recent drama of GW docking players points in the rule book if they dont paint their army, and the asshurt with that.

 

[iceteayo]

My dear friend, you have done a fabulous job with the thread. 2 Things of note however. It should be mentioned that Gamza took a 9 month long hiatus due to an autistic slap fight with major kill. The fight was arguing about whether 40k was losing its grimdark. a Tl;dr on that is essentially that Majorkill thinks its fine now, and you cant have everything cartoonishly dark or else it becomes grim derp, and Gamza essentially wants grim derp, but he takes it seriously.
videos of slap fight in order.

It looks like gamza has recently comeback and deleted the majorkill videos in an ill advised ploy to latch on 40k's current popularity.


I also think you should add a bit more about ToC. He has great takes, but boy does that boy seethe.
The dichotomy between HH and 40k might also be worth getting into, do to the ""elitism"", A nice throwback could be the autism back in the day about using FW in 40k. The recent drama of GW docking players points in the rule book if they dont paint their army, and the asshurt with that.

I looked into The Outer Circle and while its always good to call out GW for their bullshit and prices. The thing that just makes me puzzled is the fact the dude has been making rant Warhammer videos for years at this point but at no point has thought maybe he should use his channel to push other table top games. Recently made a video accusing Games Workshop being a monopoly but its loaded with pretentiousness and claims everything he says as ''''objective'''' and the biggest take away was "the online community needs to stop sucking Warhammers dick and get into other games becasue they are just better!".

It's outrage entertainment by and for loathsome cunts . He rightly dislikes GW's business practices, but the bitching is noisy and endless and despite all that he will remain locked to consumption of GW products (after years of ragging on Age Of Sigmar he is actually making an army) because he's too lazy and socially repulsive to seek out alternate communities and venues. Like many YouTubers, he is stuck making what gets the clicks his niche being the only major Warhammer channel that is critical of GW. A normal sane person might go "well to hell with this I'll play something else" but he needs the Stockholm syndrome audience.

Another thing is the dude is a massive narcist and likes to surround himself with yes men that suck his dick for his "hot takes" and sticking it to the man. Thats all I could really tell from when I lurked both the discord server and the facebook page(lol).

Oh yeah we have talked about this in the Warhammer Thread before but the community itself has the potential for a lot of cows however you do not really see a lot of them there are outliers but it certainly is not horrible. I mean shit the guy who burned his fantasy army apparently plays Age of Sigmar now (which kinda makes burning all the stuff kinda gay)

With its growing popularity we might be seeing an explosion in cows. This is mostly due to the fact a lot of other major Scifi franchises have fallen recently most notably Star Wars/Star Trek so you have all these people just flooding into 40k right now since they see it as the last "based" scifi IP left. So you just get this entire shitshow of people trying to gatekeep while others are welcoming in various newbies.

 

[Love Machine]

Should be noted that currently most AoS players seem pretty content with the game despite it's horrific start.

 

[Kanuckski]

Oh yeah we have talked about this in the Warhammer Thread before but the community itself has the potential for a lot of cows however you do not really see a lot of them there are outliers but it certainly is not horrible. I mean shit the guy who burned his fantasy army apparently plays Age of Sigmar now (which kinda makes burning all the stuff kinda gay)

With its growing popularity we might be seeing an explosion in cows. This is mostly due to the fact a lot of other major Scifi franchises have fallen recently most notably Star Wars/Star Trek so you have all these people just flooding into 40k right now since they see it as the last "based" scifi IP left. So you just get this entire shitshow of people trying to gatekeep while others are welcoming in various newbies.

I would also say GW is definitely trying to take advantage of it. Plenty of official animated shows for popular events/novels and original stories are in the works. They've massively embraced videos games and are even setting up their own video game studio. This is all stuff that's been in the works for about a year and a half so there's still plenty of time for it. But 40k is absolutely going to keep climbing while the others decline. I actually don't think it'll contribute to that many lolcows though that could be seriously milked, at least short term (years wise). But there will 100% be plenty of new spergs to make fun of if you know where to look that'll get you a lot of good stories. I see it this way since 40K has always had the most appeal to the people who in this day and age can't consistently afford it now. AKA teenage boys, largely situated in the UK who discovered 40k because they saw a 40K meme. Teenage boys also aren't the biggest fans of reading and 40k loretubers tend to be really shit. It's why you get such an unusually high amount of faux fans that just end up pushed to the sidelines at best or are just annoying at worst. Because despite their love for it they struggle to interact with the hobby. Outside of places with high import fees like Australia and New Zealand, 40k is a very affordable hobby for an adult, especially in comparison to other "adult" hobbies. But absolutely back breaking for a teenager. It also competes with video games. Stuff like this is absolutely why GW is pushing so much ambitious animation and video game investment now. They want it to be the next Star Wars and they're going for the gold.

Should be noted that currently most AoS players seem pretty content with the game despite it's horrific start.

From what I understand the balance is in an excellent spot now and a lot of new factions have been a hit. The lore they've been rolling out is highly enjoyable as well but I don't know much of it. In fact some good of 9th edition 40K is directly taken from Age of Sigmar's rules.

 

[Emperor Julian]

I'd like to introduce a couple of lolcows from the more general rpg community. While games workshop has it's fair share of hacks I'm pretty sure matt ward is legally allowed to be left alone with animals and children. Some of these people have threads here for further info.

Anna Kreider:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/ash-anna-kreider-wundergeek-go-make-me-a-sandwich.21607/

A misanthropic Gender queer Swerf with anger management issues and confirmed mental illness sufferer. Anna is a surprisingly good writter with an editor behind her, hence why people make the mistake her for an authority on anything. When left to her own device she writes the following
-angry rants about how much she hates and is scared of men.
-angry rants about tits and attractive women in gaming art
-Games about dying of cancer
-Games were the objective is to humilate the male players
-Games where the bad guy is her badly constructed grasp of toxic masculinity.
-Generally using social justice as a cudgel to act like a total bitch.
@Yaoi Huntress Earth is our resident expert on Anna and once whipped her into quite the frenzy by telling her art wasnt up to a proffesional standard.

David Hill Jr. / Olivia Hill

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/david-hill-jr-olivia-hill-machineiv.33204/

Outspoken twitter sjw, fuck up and pathological liar. Having a sex chage has done nothing to improve her personality, she's pretty much basic bitch sjw twitter fodder. Career highlights include
-co-writting beast-the primordial. The game by a rapist for rapists (more on that later) with gamergate and maga referaces.
-Lying about his former employers on twitter and being caught red handed at it.
-Having spent the bulk of life as a guy she now spends her time calling white males the devil
-writting like an angry 14 year old in her books.
-attempted to critique star wars despite never watching the movies. Predictably got it wrong but didnt back down.
-is a transhumanist so is automatically a prick.
@BlueArmedDevil
is our expert.
Phil 'goatboy' Brucato

aka goatfucker or Satyros if you're feeling indulgant. Phil is a prominant white wolf writter whose batshit insane, a lot of the weird self indulgant bullshit in white wolf books or creeper fetish shit leads back to the goatboy. He's also a big fan of the more hockey aspects of paganism. He bassically believes his works are a form of Chaos magic were the stuff you write will become real. God only know what that means he had in mind with Changing breeds-ake furries are real!

Phil Brucato - 1d4chan

1d4chan.org

Here's what a sanctioned parody of him from white wolf said:

It barely qualifies as parody considering nothing written is incorrect.


You'll notice that pretty much all these people are white wolf writters, between this and the companies eccentricities I'd serously consider installing security camera's in office and psych evaluations for all staff If was in charge.

Other notable roleplay allumni
Matt McFarland-matt wrote beast the primordial:in theory about primordial monsters like hydra and dragons in a wod setting. In practice a convoluted mess about how monsters who kill and eat people are just misunderstood. Matt later turned out to be sexually harrasing minors.
Zak sabbath-Zak isnt well liked by any of the other guys here but you should'nt feel bad for him because while he probably isnt transphobic his ex is pretty adamant he was quite keen on spousal abuse.
Mike Mearls-the hyper woke co-creator of 5th d&d, so woke he thinks girl nerds suck at math and litterature. which makes sense becouse he's lousy at rules and has poor pr skills

Daniel D. Fox-creator of second ed Warhammer and the shameless knock of it, Zweihander. Daniel will shill his game on edge lord forums one second then toot his own horn about how woke he is the next. He'll also use accusations of bigotry to cudgel his rivals. He's also aggresively campaighned against pirating and rpg archives which makes it more difficult to aqquire copies of out of print games. Recently been palling around blowey Zowey. Presumably due to their shared passion of fucking nerds for cash.

 

[Hummingbird]

I'd like to introduce a couple of lolcows from the more general rpg community. While games workshop has it's fair share of hacks I'm pretty sure matt ward is legally allowed to be left alone with animals and children. Some of these people have threads here for further info.

Anna Kreider:
View attachment 1848917

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/ash-anna-kreider-wundergeek-go-make-me-a-sandwich.21607/

A misanthropic Gender queer Swerf with anger management issues and confirmed mental illness sufferer. Anna is surprisingly good writter with an editor behind her, hence why people make the mistakes her for an authority on anything. When left to her own device she writes the following
-angry rants about how much she hates and is scared of men.
-angry rants about tits and attractive women in gaming art
-Games about dying of cancer
-Games were the objective is to humilate the male players
-Games where the bad guy is her badly constructed grasp of toxic masculinity.
-Generally using social justice as a cudgel to act like a total bitch.
@Yaoi Huntress Earth is our resident expert on Anna and once whipped her into quite the frenzy by telling her art wasnt up to a proffesional standard.

David Hill Jr. / Olivia Hill
View attachment 1848945

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/david-hill-jr-olivia-hill-machineiv.33204/

Outspoken twitter sjw, fuck up and pathological liar. Having a sex chage has done nothing to improve her personality, she's pretty much basic bitch sjw twitter fodder. Career highlights include
-co-writting beast-the primordial. The game by a rapist for rapists (more on that later) with gamergate and maga referaces.
-Lying about his former employers on twitter and being caught red handed at it.
-Having spent the bulk of life as a guy she now spends her time calling white males the devil
-writting like an angry 14 year old in her books.
-attempted to critique star wars despite never awtching the movies. Predictably got it wrong but didnt back down.
-is a transhumanist so is automatically a prick.
@BlueArmedDevil is our expert.
Phil 'goatboy' Brucato
View attachment 1849176

aka goatfucker or Satyros if you're feeling indulgant. Phil is a prominant white wolf writter whose batshit insane, a lot of the weird self indulgant bullshit in white wolf books or creeper fetish shit leads back to the goatboy. He's also a big fan of the more hockey aspects of paganism. He bassically believes his works are a form of Chaos magic were the stuff you write will become real. God only know what that means he had in mind with Changing breeds-ake furries are real!

Phil Brucato - 1d4chan

1d4chan.org

Here's what a sanctioned parody of him from white wolf said:
View attachment 1849192

It barely qualifies as parody considering nothing written is incorrect.


You'll notice that pretty much all these people are white wolf writters, between this and the companies eccentricities I'd serously consider installing security camera's in office and psych evaluations for all staff If was in charge.

Other notable roleplay allumni
Matt McFarland-matt wrote beast the primordial in theory about primordial monsters like hydra and dragons in a wod setting. In practice a convoluted mess about how monsters who kill and eat people are just misunderstood. Matt later turned out to be sexually harrasing minors.
Zak sabbath-Zak isnt well liked by any of the other guys here but you should'nt feel bad for him because while he probably isnt transphobic his ex is pretty adamant he was quite keen on spousal abuse.
Mike Mearls-the hyper woke co-creator of 5th d&d, so woke he thinks girl nerds suck at math and litterature.
View attachment 1849242
Daniel D. Fox-creator of second ed Warhammer and shame less knock of it, Zweihander. Daniel will shill his game on edge lord forums one second then toot his own horn about how woke he is the next. He'll also use accusations of bigotry to cudgel his rivals. He's also aggresively campaighned against pirating and rpg archives which makes it more difficult to aqquire copies of out of print games. Recently been palling around blowey Zowey. Presumably due to their shared passion of fucking nerds for cash.

Anna (now called Ash because they're non-binary), also had a nickname in the past as the "wicked witch of gaming". Their new Studio Ghibli-inspired, more optimistic game will be out on Kickstarter next month.