The Greater Kiwi Farms - or the Größere Kiwi-Bauernhöfe if you prefer

[Potato CPA]

Go to your real-world bank account and set up a bill pay to send a $40* check to our PO Box. It will ask you for an account number; you supply your billpay id.

I love the idea - part of my current job is posting remote deposits. But I'm slightly concerned at the $40 price tag. Paying it because we want to support you is one thing. But man... That's as much as some utility bills. More than Netflix, Hulu, very basic cable.

Any chance of a lower tier? Like $20/month for a special avatar frame or something? $40 just sounds like a lot for, frankly, a text forum. I can't just throw you on the TV and be like "hey sweetie, let's watch the Kiwi Farms tonight" like other things I pay less-than-$40 for.

EDIT: I am a retard - clocks warranted. Just saw the poll now. I'm sorry Null - thank you for being open to the feedback

 

[GunCar Gary]

Wait @Null, you used to say storage space was cheap so I've uploaded and awful lot of X vids. Would it be better to save the space and just link? This is a serious question. I hear keep copies on here of everything possible, but is that too expensive?

i'd guess 90% of the disk space is used to store the sticker history so it doesn't matter anyway because that's the most important table

 

[Null]

I love the idea - part of my current job is posting remote deposits. But I'm slightly concerned at the $40 price tag. Paying it because we want to support you is one thing. But man... That's as much as some utility bills. More than Netflix, Hulu, very basic cable.

Any chance of a lower tier? Like $20/month for a special avatar frame or something? $40 just sounds like a lot for, frankly, a text forum. I can't just throw you on the TV and be like "hey sweetie, let's watch the Kiwi Farms tonight" like other things I pay less-than-$40 for.

honestly I was thinking there's no way we'd get 600 people at $20 but the poll says otherwise after a day. It might be doable at $20.

The only thing is, at that price I can't make the features as available. It needs to be something like 4 hours once a month instead. @geckogoy how long do your features need to run for?

 

[mlanguishi]

i'd guess 90% of the disk space is used to store the sticker history so it doesn't matter anyway because that's the most important table
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It's that or Marzgurl weight. Priorities when it comes to mass.

 

[AnOminous]

I did that and got someone T&H who said they didn't want it

That's my favorite. Just randomly give T&H to some asshole who you hate.

 

[Null]

i'd guess 90% of the disk space is used to store the sticker history so it doesn't matter anyway because that's the most important table

> select count(1) from xf_reaction_content;
+-------------+
| count(1)    |
+-------------+
| 164,072,223 |
+-------------+

my farm is starving

 

[geckogoy]

The only thing is, at that price I can't make the features as available. It needs to be something like 4 hours once a month instead. @geckogoy how long do your features need to run for?

IDK, the more the better, 4hr seems like I'd need to carefully time it or it could go totally unnoticed. Treating myself as the mediocre case I basically go to bed and then go to work and may or may not check the forum during lunch time so thats like circa 14hrs. Any way I can just outbid people? Maybe people can buy from a pool of 'shares' instead of being limited to one 20 dollar increment? KiwiPlus (x16) or something?

 

[Waff]

Josh, if this plan goes through I really hope a good chunk goes towards USIPS. Something tells me the impact that will bring will be felt for years.

 

[3MMA]

I know what you're saying, but most of the prominent oldfags still around that the average KF user encounters day-to-day are genuinely some of the most disruptive users on the site imo. They go around needling people and shitting up threads, and then when they get told off they go crying to mods about new users harshing the vibe. That's the perception anyway.

I think OP was talking about a very specific issue, not literally claiming all users of one cohort group. After reading your claims, I wondered, who are all these prominent oldfags you’ve mentioned? Most of the “evil bullying from oldfags” I see is not that at all, it’s more often just experienced users helping newer ones learn basic shit, like archiving or replying with quotes etc. Sometimes it’s polite, sometimes it’s imparted with a “look here, faggot,” especially if the issue at hand has been over the top or a pattern repeated over & over. I think a portion of the noise is people who are so scared of some rando online calling them a nigger, faggot, or the dreaded newfag. Who cares? Everyone is a newfag sometimes.

I’ve seen a few loud users in the last few years constantly crying about oldfags when it’s obvious they are just in newfag denial. If anyone is going to be making generalizations about arbitrary things like that, you (in general) need to be objective & specific. Most people on site do not care how long someone has been here, but how funny, informative, or useful their contributions are, or all of the above. Regardless of calling anyone a fag.

think a little light bullying when we fuck up is healthy, I guess the question is when it crosses into infighting

Light bullying helps many things. Taking things too seriously is the issue, on both ends. I think it’s good to say what you think, but hounding people, following into other threads for an argument from a different thread, or resorting to socking to do anything in an argument or disagreement is an automatic loss, & gay. Also not letting shit go.

Something was happening on site that not many people are super aware of, nor do I need to be. I know I wasn’t aware of people complaining about new user refugees, this time around, as that happens most Summers, or with big site shut downs, etc. Probably should have anticipated it with the 4chan hack, but there’s quite a bit of crossover between here & there, historically. There has been some obnoxious infighting from accounts of all ages that I’ve seen ramp up in the last few years especially. It seems more like a few independent cliques than a certain cohort of users determined by account age.

Now, after the OP in this thread, others ITT are reading too much into Null mentioning some mod stuff he’s had to deal with from a group of users causing issues who had been here a while. No where did Null say all old users or any other rubbish generalized blame. It’d be smoother if more site users stopped taking newfag or oldfag so seriously, especially on top of all the other things they take too seriously.

 

[Bionicle Enthusiast]

honestly I was thinking there's no way we'd get 600 people at $20 but the poll says otherwise after a day. It might be doable at $20.

$20 is more reasonable of a price, especially in [current economic times]. A WoW sub is $15, an OSRS sub $11, and most streaming platforms are between $5-$25. I wouldn't know because I've had Spotify/Hulu bundled for dirt cheap for years somehow... I've seen higher monthly subscriptions to like some 2nd amendment group that would cover lawyer fees if you got into a firearm related legal predicament starting at like $50 upwards to $150 (it's been a minute). Aside from those anecdotal observations, my answer to the poll was biased because I got mad vet bills, and can't even participate right away. In retrospect, I should have not voted in the poll, but I digress.

 

[Potato CPA]

IDK, the more the better, 4hr seems like I'd need to carefully time it or it could go totally unnoticed. Treating myself as the mediocre case I basically go to bed and then go to work and may or may not check the forum during lunch time so thats like circa 14hrs. Any way I can just outbid people? Maybe people can buy from a pool of 'shares' instead of being limited to one 20 dollar increment? KiwiPlus (x16) or something?

I am this guy. I work, I browse here casually for my favorite lolcow, read a few threads, watch your Friday streams whenever the Archiver puts them up on youtube. I want to pay to support you, because I recognize I get this for free now and It's really ripping you off at that rate.

I won't be paying for perks, necessarily. I just don't think I use the site well enough for all that to matter to me. What am I gonna feature - Rekeita being a tard? The rest of the site does that for me already.

An ending credits roll on your Friday streams, or a profile badge or frame or something would be decent enough. But more importantly: $40/month REQUIRES perks. $20/month is the lowest, fair asking price for people who want to support you for what you do now, with NO EXTRA perks required. My 2 cents at least.

 

[wrikan]

honestly I was thinking there's no way we'd get 600 people at $20 but the poll says otherwise after a day. It might be doable at $20.

The only thing is, at that price I can't make the features as available. It needs to be something like 4 hours once a month instead. @geckogoy how long do your features need to run for?

I have never used a perk for any content-provider that I elect to support, and I suspect that I am part of the large silent majority.

 

[joebobmurphy]

I don't give a shit. I'll donate 40 even if the requirement is 20. I can take or leave the perks, the point is keeping this tranny-murder site up and thriving.

 

[Haramburger]

A WoW sub is $15

Try $7,000 if you've had an account since launch. This shit really sneaks up on you. Plus expansions, minus chinese gold and mounts.

 

[geckogoy]

To add onto what I said, I think a 4hr feature every month is still a fun toy to play with and people would probably go for it, I just want more tbh

Another thought I had, if you decide to snap up a lull in activity the features should be reverse chronologically sorted so that if people that don't like you dogpile as soon as you post, you can at least be sorted above them until you expire

 

[mlanguishi]

Try $7,000 if you've had an account since launch. This shit really sneaks up on you. Plus expansions, minus chinese gold and mounts.

I played DI for the grand some of $0. Great great for me with multi dungeons and all. I paid $100 for D4 and was done with it the same time. I just can't believe these people that pay for ingame items I mean wtf on this crap. The most I think I ever paid for any 'free game' was $50 or so over 10 years on some skipping levels on that dumb Walking Dead game and Candy Crush.

But Tencent and these places rake in that $5-10k a year addicts. And people pay for w&*d too probably more per month.

 

[clara red bottoms]

there's no way to give people meaningful rewards if I'm expecting 1200 people to do it.

10 dollar sub for absolutely nothing except an exclusive banana sticker. Guaranteed money maker.

 

[gagabobo1997]

I still think $40 is reasonable, if people want $20 then whatever but at that point I think some sort of tiered model would be better for people willing to pay more. I'll probably make it $40 or $50 a month regardless of what the price is just because I can and want to support the website but I bet other people would pay more than $20 if they get better perks for it.
If there is no tiered pricing, then at least being able to pay for someone else's subscription with the extra would be good.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

The work you put in these forums has me feel thankful... and sad, especially since these forums till have infighting that requires your intervention.

 

[Harvey Danger]

The remainder goes to me. I now live in the most expensive country in the world where non-torture eggs are $9 a dozen, rent starts at $1500/mo for a crackshack on Martin Luther King Jr Blvd, and you're responsible for your own healthcare if you make too much money (calculated at your GROSS income, not after business expenses, so I can't get gibmedat healthcare).

Once you have predictable income established, talk to Hardin or an accountant about that last part. LLCs incorporated as an S-corp have pass-through taxation, producing the situation you described. But if you elect it as a C-corp, the LLC pays corporate income tax, then you only pay personal income tax on what the LLC pays you in salary. That clears out the gross total from your personal income number, potentially dropping your reported income low enough for gibs.

It's basically opting into the classic double-taxation problem S-corps are designed to avoid. But mathematically, that's only a "problem" if Lolcow LLC ever becomes a majorly profitable company.

(You'd have to double-check the specific state laws of where things are incorporated and where you live. Also the separate donations from MATI might mess up the income calculations.)