The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

Outcome?

  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%
  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%
  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%
  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%

  • Total voters
    992
  • Poll closed .
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I came here again after seeing this pushed to literally everyone on twitter
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I haven't seen anything about this guy other than skimming through this thread,
but it looks like social media sites want to make him a martyr.
 
My favorite part about this whole thing is how the same people who won’t shut the fuck up about “America’s two tiered justice system” are frothing at the mouth over the idea that Chauvin could walk due to reasonable doubt.

Motherfuckers literally want a different legal standard for a white man because a video made them feel sad, legal standards be damned.
Well it’s not like a future vice-president (and likely President) is going to intercede to kill charges of a false report of criminal assault and lynching on behalf of a family friend. Especially when the false report helped shore-up support for a failing anti-lynching bill being pushed by said future President.
Damn whypeepo’ an‘ they powah an’ privlidge and shheeeeitttt.
 
Great day for the prosecution, its going to be very hard for a Jury not think that Chauvin killed Floyd

They -really- should have opened up with their barrage of expert witnesses, its brutal. Absolutely brutal and hard as hell to fight.

I know this thread is anti-conviction in this case (huge surprise I know) but I think its overall likely.
 
I came here again after seeing this pushed to literally everyone on twitter
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I haven't seen anything about this guy other than skimming through this thread,
but it looks like social media sites want to make him a martyr.
"Toxicologist says George Floyd's fentanyl levels were lower than the majority of DUI cases" makes it sound like any naïve drinker who gets pulled over with a .08 would also test positive for massive fentanyl use.
 
Because if Derek did this to anyone you know, you'd probably think he was guilty of murder rightly so
i dont associate with people who are turbo junkies like floyd lol
the only people i know who could actually die from a floyd style arrest are elderly relatives with osteoporosis, pinning those people to the ground with the knee-to-the-neck thing would probably break their spine.
but then again, these are 70+ year old grannies, not 40 yr old drugged up career criminals, so the likelihood of them getting the cops called on them for passing off fake dollar bills while high on fent and meth is zero.
 
Great day for the prosecution, its going to be very hard for a Jury not think that Chauvin killed Floyd

They -really- should have opened up with their barrage of expert witnesses, its brutal. Absolutely brutal and hard as hell to fight.

I know this thread is anti-conviction in this case (huge surprise I know) but I think its overall likely.
You should still keep in mind that dozens of cops get away with outright shooting the guys to death over lesser chimpouts. Cause of death is never even under question in those cases. Of course, this case is different based on the outrage alone but it's far from being over.
 
Prosecution should have put the combover guy first. The day was pretty bad for defense but sending it off with a hack like him definitely made it less of an impact.
Yeah, Nelson wasn't quite on his A-game today, but then again it was also the most technical witnesses who are experienced with courtroom expert testimony. They know to get up there and say exactly what the prosecution paid them to say. Nelson can get his own paid experts to say the opposite thing next week, which will hopefully sort of cancel these experts out, at least enough to introduce reasonable doubt.
 
Great day for the prosecution, its going to be very hard for a Jury not think that Chauvin killed Floyd

They -really- should have opened up with their barrage of expert witnesses, its brutal. Absolutely brutal and hard as hell to fight.

I know this thread is anti-conviction in this case (huge surprise I know) but I think its overall likely.
nah, definitely a good day for the prosecution
but other than today it's been pretty good for defence, and its not their turn yet.

I still think it'll be hung.
 
There could be an entire thread on this. But part of the “prejudice” of black people can be changed on their own. Having a father present in the home and having idols that are Neil deGrasse Tyson instead of Future would significantly change the next generation of black people.
I think everyone is sick of the “I’m X because racism” narrative when changes can happen that are in their control.
the well has been poisoned for so long itd take eons for cops not to treat all blacks as dangerous. not all blacks are dangerous but enough are that standard protocol is treat them as hostiles. enough fresh out of the academy idealist cops keep getting killed for anything to change.
 
You should still keep in mind that dozens of cops get away with outright shooting the guys to death over lesser chimpouts. Cause of death is never even under question in those cases. Of course, this case is different based on the outrage alone but it's far from being over.

i think if it hadnt blown up in the media like it did then chauvin wouldnt even have been charged at all
 
Great day for the prosecution, its going to be very hard for a Jury not think that Chauvin killed Floyd

They -really- should have opened up with their barrage of expert witnesses, its brutal. Absolutely brutal and hard as hell to fight.

I know this thread is anti-conviction in this case (huge surprise I know) but I think its overall likely.
I remember the OJ trial came up when I was with some NYC Legal Aid lawyers, who were probably all in the liberal-batshit insane camp and they all thought OJ was guilty but the prosecution failed to prove its case and did really shoddy lawyering, especially with respect to their witnesses and chain of custody. OJ also had the legal equivalent of the Dream Team-Cochran, Kardashian, Shapiro, Dershowitz and F Lee Bailey; it bankrupted him but he walked.

The prosecution has to prove beyond a preponderance of the evidence, which is a pretty high standard; all the defense has to do is poke enough holes in the prosecution's case so it can't meet it while convincing the jury that Chauvin isn't the person responsible for Floyd's death under the statues he's been charged with. Most people don't understand criminal law, even most lawyers don't unless that's what they specialize in. Nelson seems knowledgeable and experienced, going by how many times the judge has overruled the prosecution. He hasn't presented his defense so it's still up in the air, as far I'm concerned.
 
I remember the OJ trial came up when I was with some NYC Legal Aid lawyers, who were probably all in the liberal-batshit insane camp and they all thought OJ was guilty but the prosecution failed to prove its case and did really shoddy lawyering, especially with respect to their witnesses and chain of custody. OJ also had the legal equivalent of the Dream Team-Cochran, Kardashian, Shapiro, Dershowitz and F Lee Bailey; it bankrupted him but he walked.

The prosecution has to prove beyond a preponderance of the evidence, which is a pretty high standard; all the defense has to do is poke enough holes in the prosecution's case so it can't meet it while convincing the jury that Chauvin isn't the person responsible for Floyd's death under the statues he's been charged with. Most people don't understand criminal law, even most lawyers don't unless that's what they specialize in. Nelson seems knowledgeable and experienced, going by how many times the judge has overruled the prosecution. He hasn't presented his defense so it's still up in the air, as far I'm concerned.
Like I said earlier, the jury may have already made up its mind, and all of this is just a formality.
 
Not to mention dying of a heart attack
This keeps coming up and I know its not just you but I haven't seen any evidence of a heart attack being involved. A lot of people mix up cardiac arrest (heart stopping pumping) with cardiac infarction (heart attack, something blocking blood flow to the cardiac muscle).

Cardiac arrest can be caused by a heart attack but it can be caused by a million other things. It is a very common cause of death amongst adults as the heart stops before you stop breathing (agonal breathing is breathing but with no blood flow). Children and drowning being the exception as they tend to go into respiratory arrest (stop breathing before the heart stops).
 
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