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So I haven't been able to watch the prosecution's entire case, only a few days of it. Can anyone tell me if they have at any point presented any evidence whatsoever of a motive or premeditation for their 1st degree murder charge?
The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!
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yeah instead of manslaughter it's man's laughter
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Same.
They don't have that stigma over there that they do here in The Land of The Free.
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He wasn't charged with 1st degree murder lmao.
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Okay thanks. I was obviously confused. I remember reading somewhere that he was charged with 1st degree murder but I'm glad to hear that the District Attorney's office isn't that stupid.No, probably mostly because he's charged with 2nd and 3rd
Yeah, I deserve that.
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Ellison made noises about going for 1st degree at some point early on but I think someone told him "that's fucking retarded, quit being fucking retarded"
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The real trial was the breaks we had along the way.
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Well they charged a guy for two different levels of murder for the same crime, so I dunno if "isn't that stupid applies"
but yes, because though it's obvious that the prosecution/state just wants to throw the book at chauvin and lock him away for a billion years for the crime of being made a scapegoat, they know they obviously can't prove he was trying to kill floyd, especially because they already know they're gonna have a hard enough time trying to prove he even did kill him
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I mean, people generally overestimate what 1st degree murder actually entails in terms of what 'premeditation' means but it was clearly not here.
tbh they only charged him with 2nd in this case for the depraved heart angle.
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Lmao, what a plebbit puss puss. Literally everything is for my entertainment.
There isn't a first degree murder charge, so no. The charges are "second degree unintentional felony murder, third degree 'depraved mind' murder, and second degree manslaughter." Before the trial, there was a guy who claimed when they both worked for the same nightclub as security, they had some kind of beef, but he recanted.
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I think in that one he used the "I CANT SEEED" excuse too. Proving that him saying that was well known to the officers to think he was crying wolf.
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"I WILL BE ENTERTAINED. WILL YOU TRY AND STOP MY AMUSEMENT?"
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I wish they tacked on 1st degree murder just to see how they can even try and prove that. 1st requires some premeditation which would be fucking bonkers in this case. As Chavin dident know he was going to murder a jogger that day or when he got the call.
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its not about bias, but about fear and intimidation.
if they acquit, their own city burns. they have friends and family in there. and they might even get doxed themselves and targeted for reprisal by blm.
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I think it was a mistake not to throw in some kind of aggravated battery charge to guarantee a conviction if they can't convince the jury of the weird grab bag of homicides they threw at him, which all require contradictory and mutually exclusive mens rea.
I think the prosecution has at least shown what is at best a sub-optimal use of a restraint procedure at the outer limits of what's allowed, but I'm not in the least convinced it was the actual cause of death, which looks a lot more likely to be a combo of decades of drug abuse, which certainly did no favor for his severe heart disease, combined with sickle cell trait, combined with stressing out his already weakened heart with a drug fueled chimpout.
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Nuuuu it’s a hypoxic seizure and your watching the soul leave the body
that kicking and screaming is a sure sign of brain damage nuuuuuuu
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brain damage before or after he met the police
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Here's the entire defense, and for some reason I am imagining it in an Ali G accent.
"Oi, guvna, if you 'as 'ypertension and coronary blockage, 'ow many packets of ciggies is safe to smoke in a day? And if you was going to smoke da reefer, is it be'a to use a pipe or roll it in a blunt? And 'ow many Fentanyl and meff speedballs is good for you, loik gives you da full effec' but don't make you die? And if you found someone dead in da' street wiv no marks on 'im, would you fink it was from a be'ing loik maybe 'e loaned fivty pounds to 'is bruvva in law and neva poid it back? Oi 'av no fuvva questions."
"Oi, guvna, if you 'as 'ypertension and coronary blockage, 'ow many packets of ciggies is safe to smoke in a day? And if you was going to smoke da reefer, is it be'a to use a pipe or roll it in a blunt? And 'ow many Fentanyl and meff speedballs is good for you, loik gives you da full effec' but don't make you die? And if you found someone dead in da' street wiv no marks on 'im, would you fink it was from a be'ing loik maybe 'e loaned fivty pounds to 'is bruvva in law and neva poid it back? Oi 'av no fuvva questions."
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I just know if a dudes name ends in X hes going to talk my ear off about dumb shit.
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