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So, tell me were you naturally born stupid or did you take lessons in it?
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I picked up one of those JoyToy action figures on a whim and this is an unhinged level of articulation. Also you can remove the mags from the boltgun and bolt pistol. And of course they come with tons of hand and weapon options:
and if the Terminators, Dreadnoughts, Primarchs and Sentinel weren't enough, they're doing a Knight.
and if the Terminators, Dreadnoughts, Primarchs and Sentinel weren't enough, they're doing a Knight.
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This:
If you painted as often as you sperged out about women in a fantasy game youd probably be a lot better at it.
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It happens with big long posts.
I didn't say you did. Let me rephrase that: the Imperium doesn't pay attention to whether the human masses it throws at a problem are male or female. All it cares about is solving whatever it has decided is the problem to be dealt with.
You're correct that it would cause mass depopulation on a long enough timeline. But the Imperium is retardedly overpopulated. It's not something they need to worry about.
Even if it were, it wouldn't be their first self-inflicted problem. It works on bounded rationality, and hates its enemies more than it loves it own citizens.
You're complaining about reality, with regard to 40k because you don't like that some indian chick in one game was running guard unit?
What about Colonel Kasteen from the first book of the Ciaphas Cain series? General Sulla?
Or also from the same series, the fact that one of the most powerful people in the imperium is a woman, specifically Inquisitor Amberley Vail? Even outside of the Ciaphas Cain series, Inquisitor Greyfax? Sabbathiel? Even further, Inquisitor Kleopatra Arx who was also a high lord of terra?
This is not some new thing to 40k, and goes back at least 20+ years. And no I'm not going to count Ursula Creed who is just a halfassed attempt at a gender swap for Ursakar Creed. This shit isn't new, but it sounds like you've never paid attention to it. Other than space marines(and custodes until recently) the imperium doesn't give a shit about anyone's gender, it cares if they can get the job done.
edit: and it cares about sisters of battle, but that's because the ecclesiarchy was told they couldn't have men at arms, so they're only a loophole anyway.
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TC, let me be blunt.
All your female imperial guard characters are lame "Dommy Mommy" fantasies, for beta-male cuckbois, who have a profoundly damaged idea of what it is men and women do/are suited for in society.
It's pandering to feminist wasteoids, who don't play the game anyway, and an obnoxiously vocal minority of gooners, who get their rocks off to women in army fatigues.
Women don't mesh with the aesthetic of the IG like they do the SB or Eldar, basically because normal female humans suck at fighting don't tend to like it, and their appearance on the battlefield precipitates misfortune, disaster and tragedy.
And that's why it took forty years to get female IG models, and why they all have chronic manface, and are additionally, the most substituted minis in an IG infantry box.
And everything I just said goes double for FemSquats, because it's that plus bOdY pOsItIvItY.
Admittedly, you can just handwave it away with "They aren't human, angry grog" but they're human DERIVED damnit.
Good god.
Only sexy catlike eldar bitches, and absurdly overequipped religious fanatics have any right to bear ovaries into an active warzone.
And when I am God-King I shall make it a rule.
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Okay, so you're naturally retarded, thanks for clearing up that part.
Better than being a furry, chap.
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I can't see myself getting into the Action figure 40k models. My mind tells me to just use my budget on models for the tabletop.I picked up one of those JoyToy action figures on a whim and this is an unhinged level of articulation. Also you can remove the mags from the boltgun and bolt pistol. And of course they come with tons of hand and weapon options:
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How about you shut the fuck up, put down the paste you're eating, and read the previous posts.
No one cares about women being in the Imperial Guard because they're a meat grinder. Inversely, no one cares about there being female squats because they're so low in numbers that everyone needs to chip in, plus they have that whole cloning thing.
What the fuck? The catachan with grenade launcher from third edition has tits. 40k hasn't even been out for 40 years, and just over 10 years into it's existence it had female guard models.
Why are there so many damned people who seem to think they're 40k fans, or pretend to know a lot about 40k, but then it turns out they don't know fuck all? "the wokies are ruining my 40k, this stuff didn't exist decades ago" and then the shit existed decades ago. And not I'm not going to point to the rogue trader female space marine minis either(which didn't sell, or encourage women to play, and got discontinued fairly quickly). And no, just because there's an IG model with tits, a fucking catachan of all things, doesn't mean anyone jerks off thinking about it.
Also, neither of the female guard characters I mentioned, that have existed for over 20 years, would really fit the "dommy mommy" fetish either. Here's a question... are you incapable of accepting a female character that exists without someone jerking off to it? There's more to life than gooning, and no one is forcing you to have women in your IG army(assuming you even have one) in the first place.
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I built a few Gunpla in my time, so I get the appeal to the larger articulated model kits.
But I also like my toys to be "Playable" rather than pure diorama pieces (I suck at painting anyway). Maybe you could use them to play a game based on Inquisitor, refluffed for the Horus Heresy or Badab war or something, while there's mostly just Space Marines available.
How about no.
And additionally; fuck you.
Good catch actually.
I have never seen that metal Catachan lady.
There was however, also the classic "Females in Power Armour" from the old RT metal sets, which are ugly as fuck, and always trotted out by troons as "See, female space marines are canon" but yeah, this is a different kettle of fish.
My point still stands for the vast majority of the plastic box set era, which was my era.
Catachans fall under the same "specific lore clause" that I'd excuse SOB under; their death-world society, admittedly stupid as it is, is basically entirely militarized.
But I'd still not want a ratio of more than 20-1 male to female in a catachan force, for the sheer fact of the matter that even Catachan would probably use those women for logistical and support roles, rather than throwing prime breeding material directly into the meatgrinder.
I still wouldn't want more than one in every twenty or thirty at most, because my points about the aesthetics of war still stand.
Normal human women need to either get really zealous really fast, or get their spock ears out, otherwise, I want them back in the canteen boiling corpse starch into gruel.
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Are you fucking serious? Even in our own history in both world wars, we had women fighting. Was it the same ratio as men? No, but that's not the point. Stop talking out of your ass. "asethetics of war"... fucking seriously? In a setting with aliens? and 8 foot tall "angels" in power armor with everyone else worshipping a corpse?
I also specifically said I wasn't counting those.
Normative statements are not invalidated by edge-cases and exceptions.
Rather on further examination, these edge-cases and exceptions tend to highlight why there are such things as norms at all.
Your argument is based on the ten-thousandth percentile, overcoming the rest.
Do I need to explain why that is stupid?
Well you've been wrong about characters, wrong about minis, and wrong about how long the game has existed, so please tell us how anyone else is stupid.
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I explained why you are the stupid, in the post you are quoting.
Also, I'd like you to point out where I was wrong, other than not remembering a single metal catachan from like 1991.
Admittedly, I'm only in my thirties, but mass production female guard models have not been WIDELY AVAILABLE for the majority of 40k's lifespan, which is I suppose, the itch I was scratching for.
Frankly, I always wondered how they squared the whole "gentler, softer warhammer" with putting unaugmented non-religiously fanatical human women in the firing line of a bunch of murder-rape happy manifestations of absolute evil.
I guess the Guro/Ryona commnunity must be happy.
Anyway, the logistical stupidity of recruiting women into front line combat roles SHOULD break your suspension of disbelief.
Because the drama in human fiction is based around human lives, and the conditions inherent therein; you can change the metaphysics the universe works on, and still have a good story/setting whatever.
But try to change too much the rules by which human beings operate, and you lose the human interest element; the spectacle becomes more like watching a colony of alien creatures, like ants, milling around, than any sort of mortal passion-play.
I think that's also the reason tranny fiction turns even apolitical normies off; these are people who have violated their own humanity to the point where their concerns, beliefs and motivations are just inscrutable to most people, and so, their struggles and tribulations seem bemusing and mildly repulsive, rather than compelling on a human to human level.
I see women in combat fatigues, carrying a gun I think "When the shit hits the fan she's gonna get a train run on her, then shot in the head".
Which sorta puts a damper on my ability to enjoy little plastic men, being horrible to one another.
Am I a simp?
Kinda, in a weird way.
This one statement, makes you wrong about how long the game has been out, and how long it was until they started making female IG models. It's a two-for-one.
So a mass production model, from when the company was making mostly metal minis doesn't count? It wasn't a limited edition model like the praetorians from 2nd edition were. Since that model is from 2004, and 40k really came about in 1987... making 40k 38 years old. Of course weren't going to count rogue trader because that's always the exception with people so lets just count since 2nd edition launched and became 40k proper, in 1993... that would put it at 32 years. But if the first model that wasn't some limited edition sculpt came out in 2004... well that model is 21 years old. Wait a minute... 21 years is a majority of the span of time for the 32 years since 2nd edition. Hell, it's the majority of the span of time since 1987.
I even linked a page showing the years these models came out, including editions and you STILL got that wrong.
And then if we count novels and characters in them, the guard characters and inquisitor I mentioned in the Ciaphas Cain series, they were in the first book from 2003 so they're even older than that at 22 years.
Most sisters of battle aren't augmented outside of prosthetics.
What the fuck are you talking about? This shit isn't even some weird deep esoteric 40k lore, it's in fucking memes for gods sake. Nevermind the fact that you're bitching about female guard characters... WHY? Because of the ONE in the fucking space marine 2 game? When there's been all of 5 minis?
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So you seem to think everyone else jerks off to them. And you just immediately think "rape victim"... I asked a question and you ignored it.
You sound like a fucking degenerate, and seem to think everyone else is as well.
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I said "forty years"
Ok, thirty eight, fucks sake, 'scuse me for rounding up to the nearest ten for brevity.
Also, the metal guard armies were famously online sales only after a certain point of plastics becoming the norm, and seldom restocked, and this was in an era before online storefronts were as major as they are today; they were bastard hard to get a hold of.
I never saw a single fucker with a single one of them.
And don't tell me that's a 2004 sculpt; that thing couldn't have been sculpted later than the mid 90's.
As an aside; it's not a good sculpt either, at a guess no Perry Brother or Mark Copplestone had a hand in it, though if I'm wrong I have only put those men on pedestals.
Not that GW weren't using some sculpts for decades, but well, availability of the guard metals was spotty after the plastic roll out.
Never saw a single guard army growing up that wasn't plastic cadians, because frankly, the metals were on their way out for years, due to consumer end expense; more plastic = more men.
I remember going into a GW one day after a few months and the wall full of blisters were gone, which was a shame, because nowadays I actually like metals better than plastics.
And frankly, Black Library novels are shit.
No way to sugarcoat it.
What was best in 40k lore was the vignettes and shorts and sometimes the comics, mostly influenced by weird tales and pulp adventures.
Outsourcing the writing of novel-length in-setting books to middling to poor sci-fi writers on an industrial scale, essentially made the setting boring, static and weirdly over-explored in some areas, yet barren in the rest.
Because of course, the more you describe in detail, the more you have to explain, and the more you describe in one area, the more an imbalance becomes evident elsewhere.
The very concept of the Horus Heresy books fails to appeal to me, because it's about creating a definitive vision, of something that was only as utile as a wargames setting as it was malleable.
The God Emperor of Mankind and his Primarchs, are not compelling characters.
Their fates are predetermined for one, so there are no stakes; we all know what's going to happen.
So all the actual storytelling has to occur in the cracks between, which MIGHT present an opportunity to flesh out the setting, has to carry the whole novel, in a sense.
And yet every time I opened one of my mate's Horus Heresy novels, I had to close it, because it was fucking boring.
I mean, I slogged through Gotrek and Felix, and I've read more shorts from magazines and comics than I can rightly recall.
But jesus.
Makes me think of books I loved, some of which arguably influenced the genre.
Like A Canticle for Liebowitz.
Or the one /lit/ meme book I ever liked, "One Hundred Years of Solitude".
I compare the quality of writing, and maybe it's not fair, because especially in the latter case, Marquez is a master of prose.
But the word choices are ugly and prosaic, the plot elements are turgid slop dripping with the impeachable modern sensibilities of the "writer", and the payoff is just the setup to the next serving of literary diarrhea stew.
Also, for my intents and purposes "Augmentation" includes power-armour, and to a lesser extent, fanatical conditioning and/or combat drugs.
Listen man, hows about I give you the "King of Spergs" crown, for being more pedantic about a forty year old game that I *used to* love than I can be bothered to be.
You can cite your female relative who did a tour of duty, and only got sexually assaulted like twice, and only had to go through a decade of therapy to get over it.
You can cry that one metal Catachan woman was available in extremely limited quantities, from online retailers, for a long time, because it never sold well and they had back stock left over from the 1990's.
And you can jump up and down and piss your pants too.
Women are incongruous on the battlefield in real life, and that will ALWAYS apply also to military fiction, scifi or current day, fantasy or historical.
Writing a setting where WAR is the constant focus, and women are conscripted into battle en masse, whilst ignoring all the inevitable consequences that would result from this, results in a scenario where the combat scenes feel cartoonish and stupid, and the writers will be tip-toeing around unfortunate implications to stay PG-13, and none of it makes logistical sense, because they should have run out of human bodies to throw into the meatgrinder ten thousand years ago.
You know what happens when a band of Slaanesh cultists overrun a guard post?
Something about dumping a bunch of dimwit normal women into that kind of scenario is perhaps appealing to my "based" reflex, but I can't imagine ritualistic gang-rape followed by death by torture being the highlight of your narrative campaign, even though by sheer plot gravity, you know it must happen.
So yeah, fuck off girls, please.
I said "forty years"
Ok, thirty eight, fucks sake, 'scuse me for rounding up to the nearest ten for brevity.
Also, the metal guard armies were famously online sales only after a certain point of plastics becoming the norm, and seldom restocked, and this was in an era before online storefronts were as major as they are today; they were bastard hard to get a hold of.
I never saw a single fucker with a single one of them.
And don't tell me that's a 2004 sculpt; that thing couldn't have been sculpted later than the mid 90's.
As an aside; it's not a good sculpt either, at a guess no Perry Brother or Mark Copplestone had a hand in it, though if I'm wrong I have only put those men on pedestals.
Not that GW weren't using some sculpts for decades, but well, availability of the guard metals was spotty after the plastic roll out.
Never saw a single guard army growing up that wasn't plastic cadians, because frankly, the metals were on their way out for years, due to consumer end expense; more plastic = more men.
I remember going into a GW one day after a few months and the wall full of blisters were gone, which was a shame, because nowadays I actually like metals better than plastics.
And frankly, Black Library novels are shit.
No way to sugarcoat it.
What was best in 40k lore was the vignettes and shorts and sometimes the comics, mostly influenced by weird tales and pulp adventures.
Outsourcing the writing of novel-length in-setting books to middling to poor sci-fi writers on an industrial scale, essentially made the setting boring, static and weirdly over-explored in some areas, yet barren in the rest.
Because of course, the more you describe in detail, the more you have to explain, and the more you describe in one area, the more an imbalance becomes evident elsewhere.
The very concept of the Horus Heresy books fails to appeal to me, because it's about creating a definitive vision, of something that was only as utile as a wargames setting as it was malleable.
The God Emperor of Mankind and his Primarchs, are not compelling characters.
Their fates are predetermined for one, so there are no stakes; we all know what's going to happen.
So all the actual storytelling has to occur in the cracks between, which MIGHT present an opportunity to flesh out the setting, has to carry the whole novel, in a sense.
And yet every time I opened one of my mate's Horus Heresy novels, I had to close it, because it was fucking boring.
I mean, I slogged through Gotrek and Felix, and I've read more shorts from magazines and comics than I can rightly recall.
But jesus.
Makes me think of books I loved, some of which arguably influenced the genre.
Like A Canticle for Liebowitz.
Or the one /lit/ meme book I ever liked, "One Hundred Years of Solitude".
I compare the quality of writing, and maybe it's not fair, because especially in the latter case, Marquez is a master of prose.
But the word choices are ugly and prosaic, the plot elements are turgid slop dripping with the impeachable modern sensibilities of the "writer", and the payoff is just the setup to the next serving of literary diarrhea stew.
Also, for my intents and purposes "Augmentation" includes power-armour, and to a lesser extent, fanatical conditioning and/or combat drugs.
Listen man, hows about I give you the "King of Spergs" crown, for being more pedantic about a forty year old game that I *used to* love than I can be bothered to be.
You can cite your female relative who did a tour of duty, and only got sexually assaulted like twice, and only had to go through a decade of therapy to get over it.
You can cry that one metal Catachan woman was available in extremely limited quantities, from online retailers, for a long time, because it never sold well and they had back stock left over from the 1990's.
And you can jump up and down and piss your pants too.
Women are incongruous on the battlefield in real life, and that will ALWAYS apply also to military fiction, scifi or current day, fantasy or historical.
Writing a setting where WAR is the constant focus, and women are conscripted into battle en masse, whilst ignoring all the inevitable consequences that would result from this, results in a scenario where the combat scenes feel cartoonish and stupid, and the writers will be tip-toeing around unfortunate implications to stay PG-13, and none of it makes logistical sense, because they should have run out of human bodies to throw into the meatgrinder ten thousand years ago.
You know what happens when a band of Slaanesh cultists overrun a guard post?
Something about dumping a bunch of dimwit normal women into that kind of scenario is perhaps appealing to my "based" reflex, but I can't imagine ritualistic gang-rape followed by death by torture being the highlight of your narrative campaign, even though by sheer plot gravity, you know it must happen.
So yeah, fuck off girls, please.
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So if the site is wrong, and it's from earlier in 3rd edition, then that means it's been in the range for even more of a majority of 40k.
You keep changing the goalposts, not me. Now you want to claim metal minis don't count once the plastic stuff started coming out when GW was still selling some metal minis up until just a few years ago? And then the sculpt quality matters? You claimed 40 years, and were wrong. You claimed the majority, and were wrong. Yet everyone else is the stupid one? Even if you never saw someone with the thing, doesn't mean shit. What, have you been touring the world playing at big events for the past decade or two? Probably not, especially with how wrong you've been about shit. Thus your particular anecdote doesn't mean fuck all.
Answer the fucking question. It's a simple question. You seem to be unable to handle the concept of a female character existing without involving rape, or someone jacking off to it. Is this true? And if you are a degenerate weirdo... why? Because that's not everyone else. There may be others, could even be a majority, but isn't everyone.