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New kill team.

There’s going to be Solo play for all you loners, they got rid of the weird shape system and just use inches. Most importantly the rules will be FREE (wahpedia total victory).

Here’s the terrain coming in the new box set

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And it appears they’re having a general weapons and equipment rules for all kill teams

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Also there’s a female model in the Tempestus but GW always makes all its female models look like mtf trannies

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Seems like the standard KT spread of quick guy, melee guy, special weapon, explosives guy, sniper, leader and grunts but they dont look half bad. I dont like the Scion's asthetic but eh, we already had Kasrkin, Inquisition goons and shit, so Scions had to take the bone.

Im excited to see which modeling group will ape it with their own spin on it as an STL and 25USD bundle on etsy
 
A mostly/almost entirely male army is how things naturally would sort out. It totally breaks the whole pseudomedievalish vibe to have nearly 50/50 gender normed armies.
You're not wrong about the "mostly male army" thing, though with the Imperium being "50/50" (which I doubt even that) it's because there's so many bodies they need to throw out there on all fronts that it doesn't matter if you're a strong man or a weak woman, you're going into the meat grinder regardless. You're not expected the survive regardless of who you are unless you gain enough status to get the fuck off the front line, which is practically impossible even if you do survive a battle. If you can pick up a lasgun, throw a grenade at the enemy, and throw yourself at the enemy, it doesn't matter to the Imperium because you're not even a human male or female, just a statistic.
As an update on the big one, primary colours completed, just highlights, washes and corrections left, takes ages:

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Also added a leftover Tervigon sack, I think it works well:
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And a closeup on the Hive Tyrant, it's 50% original metal cast from an old one I used to have, quite proud of it:
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Genuinely enjoying painting at the moment, what a relaxing pastime.
Good stuff, though I will say it looks a bit odd that the weapon of the Warrior is matte green yet the Warrior itself looks more glossy. I've never painted a Tyranid so that's just probably how it goes, speaking of which do you have any tips on painting Tyranids? I plan on painting a small force based on the homebrew Hive Fleet Nigger Nidhoggr.
 
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You're not wrong about the "mostly male army" thing, though with the Imperium being "50/50" (which I doubt even that) it's because there's so many bodies they need to throw out there on all fronts that it doesn't matter if you're a strong man or a weak woman, you're going into the meat grinder regardless. You're not expected the survive regardless of who you are unless you gain enough status to get the fuck off the front line, which is practically impossible even if you do survive a battle. If you can pick up a lasgun, throw a grenade at the enemy, and throw yourself at the enemy, it doesn't matter to the Imperium because you're not even a human male or female, just a statistic.
even with 50/50 most females would be busy breeding to replace the billions of losses each day.
 
even with 50/50 most females would be busy breeding to replace the billions of losses each day.
Most of the imperial casualties of civilians not soldiers compared to the rest of the public the imperial guard is quite small one of the larger crusade forces it's made-up of about 5 million men 500,000 tanks plus support personnel but Dan abnett really needs to realize something and the rest of the black library writers if someone is doing maintenance cooking and cleaning and following the army around that's not camp followers that's the support staff and the logistics train.
But for some reason the adeptus ministorum is part of logistics.

And the strength of a regiment heavily depends on how rich the planet is that's supplying them volponi blue bloods are one of the best equipped regiments but that's because the plan is extremely prosperous.
The imperial guard doesn't just throw its troops away because it takes a lot of money to raise up an imperial regiment and keep it equipped

also most of what you're going to be doing in the imperial guard is standing around waiting to get orders you also get leave every five years depending if there's ships that take you on leave if not then you don't get leave

and anyone who likes to space mind control racial collectivist people you're dying a hole you know who you are
 
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New kill team.

There’s going to be Solo play for all you loners, they got rid of the weird shape system and just use inches. Most importantly the rules will be FREE (wahpedia total victory).

Here’s the terrain coming in the new box set

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And it appears they’re having a general weapons and equipment rules for all kill teams

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Also there’s a female model in the Tempestus but GW always makes all its female models look like mtf trannies

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Wait this isn't just another Killteam box? It's an actual re-relaunch of the game? Isn't that the third one they've done since it launched?
 
Wait this isn't just another Killteam box? It's an actual re-relaunch of the game? Isn't that the third one they've done since it launched?
They're redoing rules, supposedly eliminated compendium teams allegedly, doing a rules rebalance, and releasing it all free. As far as I know theyve been doing this every 3 years or so lately.
 
Wait this isn't just another Killteam box? It's an actual re-relaunch of the game? Isn't that the third one they've done since it launched?
They also swapped the stupid shapes for measuring back to numbers(the shapes that never even made sense.. 1, 2, 3, 6 triangle circle square pentagon? so fucking dumb).

Also, maybe the game with only 10-20 models might take less than 3 hours
 
They also swapped the stupid shapes for measuring back to numbers(the shapes that never even made sense.. 1, 2, 3, 6 triangle circle square pentagon? so fucking dumb).

Also, maybe the game with only 10-20 models might take less than 3 hours
hexagons are the superior way of doing TTRPG design I will fight anybody hexagon Chad stay winning.
The only reason to use squares it's because actually designing something using a hexagon pattern is kind
 
It's arguable that actually not skipping editions for faction rules in WHFB might have helped, but the same thing has happened multiple times over the history of 40k without being an issue. WHFB wasn't selling for shit by the time they made the decision to kill it, and there's been former GW employees stating as much in interviews. Even dumber is that when WHFB died, and even when "the old world" got announced, was there any uptick in people playing WHFB? No. There's a reason the rumor of the 40k tactical marine kit outselling the entire WHFB range by itself isn't unreasonable.
WHFB wasn't selling because most armies were made of 10 year old models that kept increasing in price as models kept getting cheaper point wise. While the lore was pretty good, the game was stagnant. Mordeheim was one of their best games and they let that die pretty quick. I don't know how big the company was back then, but it's pretty clear they focused entirely on their Space Marine cash cow and everything else got pushed to the way side.
 
Any of you guys play Bolt Action? I'm feeling the urge to paint again and Warhammer doesn't really appeal to me anymore.

I don't play anymore but I used to love Bolt Action and I know it's really popular in the more serious war-gaming circles.

It's good old fashioned WW2 action or go Team Yankee for the modern stuff.

Give it a try, what the worse that could happen? 40K is only going to keep spiralling like it always does. At least Warlord Games actually likes it's customer base and won't just shit on you for DIE points.
 
WHFB wasn't selling because most armies were made of 10 year old models that kept increasing in price as models kept getting cheaper point wise. While the lore was pretty good, the game was stagnant. Mordeheim was one of their best games and they let that die pretty quick. I don't know how big the company was back then, but it's pretty clear they focused entirely on their Space Marine cash cow and everything else got pushed to the way side.
Sure, except for the 40k factions that also had ancient models. A bunch of eldar stuff is still 20+ years old. Warp spiders, couple characters, and some of the vehicles are what, 25-30 years old at this point? Having 10 year old models didn't stop people from buying into factions like that in 40k(basically anything that wasn't space marines) yet people still bought into it and played.

Even if models weren't being updated for years, what is it people say when an edition changes or a game just gets cancelled? You can still play, no one is taking away your minis? Hardly anyone was playing WHFB before it ended, and even fewer between AOS and the old world launch.

Game was stagnant with factions not getting rules. Yeah, that is true. But it also happened in 40k. Orks got a 4th edition codex, and didn't get another until 7th. That's 10 years between editions right there, and people obviously still bought into orks. Even with space marines, Black Templars went from a codex in 4th to finally getting another one in 9th, that's 16 years and didn't stop people from buying or playing black templars.

On top of that, people bitch about GW churning so much crap. And they do. Shit going to legends, minis being replaced, stuff from finecast released just 5 or 6 years ago going into the dumpster. But then at the same time when stuff is fairly stable, the model range isn't getting revamped constantly, people apparently hate that too?

And now "The Old World" is selling a bunch of models, that are now 10 years older than they were when they blew up WHFB so that clearly can't be why people quit buying and playing back then. It wasn't just one day everyone stopped buying and playing either like a light switch was flipped.

Also back in 2013-14 was when GW was doing kinda shitty overall. There were even some quarters when privateer press was outselling GW. We had other companies attempt to fill in gaps for things like bloodbowl and BFG to varying degrees of success and failure. Where were the rank and flank fantasy games to fill the void created by WHFB stagnation before the end times? They didn't exist. There was what, that 9th age ruleset? And that still has a faction in playtest years later(lizardmen if I remember right). Oathmark exists and another miniature agnostic rank and flank, but that didn't come out till 2020.

WHFB died because no one was interested in it, and it only picked back up again as the old world because there was enough of an audience that it was basically new to people now. And even that's limited compared to AoS.
 
Sure, except for the 40k factions that also had ancient models. A bunch of eldar stuff is still 20+ years old. Warp spiders, couple characters, and some of the vehicles are what, 25-30 years old at this point? Having 10 year old models didn't stop people from buying into factions like that in 40k(basically anything that wasn't space marines) yet people still bought into it and played.
It's not just having old models that contributes to its failures, it's the increased pricing on old models combined with a lack of rules support, not including the perverse incentive of 8th edition wanting even more models than the ones before for most armies.
Even if models weren't being updated for years, what is it people say when an edition changes or a game just gets cancelled? You can still play, no one is taking away your minis? Hardly anyone was playing WHFB before it ended, and even fewer between AOS and the old world launch.
No one is taking away your minis, but they are taking away opponents to actually play with. Model based wargaming already is a huge effort to start with and raising the bar higher is exponentially worse.
Game was stagnant with factions not getting rules. Yeah, that is true. But it also happened in 40k. Orks got a 4th edition codex, and didn't get another until 7th. That's 10 years between editions right there, and people obviously still bought into orks. Even with space marines, Black Templars went from a codex in 4th to finally getting another one in 9th, that's 16 years and didn't stop people from buying or playing black templars.
Comparing Space Marine faction codex to other ranges is laughable, since you can use your Black Templar models in atleast 5 or 6 other armies. You have no such option for the vast majority of models. Orks have also had a lower barrier to entry due to scratch building being highly supported both by the community and rules.
On top of that, people bitch about GW churning so much crap. And they do. Shit going to legends, minis being replaced, stuff from finecast released just 5 or 6 years ago going into the dumpster. But then at the same time when stuff is fairly stable, the model range isn't getting revamped constantly, people apparently hate that too?
People are going to hate regardlessly but the biggest concern is that they are going to spend 500+ dollars on models for a game that won't be supported or will get invalidated.
And now "The Old World" is selling a bunch of models, that are now 10 years older than they were when they blew up WHFB so that clearly can't be why people quit buying and playing back then. It wasn't just one day everyone stopped buying and playing either like a light switch was flipped.
The Old World has the support of bringing back the older community as well as being interesting to AoS players, who already have the start with models from another rule set. Its all symptomatic of a lack of support from GW causing the game to lose interest over time.
Where were the rank and flank fantasy games to fill the void created by WHFB stagnation before the end times? They didn't exist. There was what, that 9th age ruleset? And that still has a faction in playtest years later(lizardmen if I remember right). Oathmark exists and another miniature agnostic rank and flank, but that didn't come out till 2020.
I agree that the player base is a lot smaller for WHFB than 40k. Which is in part due to GWs own actions.
WHFB died because no one was interested in it, and it only picked back up again as the old world because there was enough of an audience that it was basically new to people now. And even that's limited compared to AoS.
I think part of the issue was once it was faltering with a smaller player base, the Lord of the Rings license split them into an even smaller fraction. Which left it dead in the water at a time GW was already struggling. That and not having a Space Marine style faction to bolster the rules and models meant they couldn't keep it afloat.

I wish GW would bring back the old specialist gaming thing they did, just release new balance changes to old rules and let people do what they want. Also redo Mordeheim. I had hoped Underworld would be cooler just because I liked the small cheap unit idea that was perfect for smaller games like that and Necromunda, which I'm not sure why didn't copy for that.
 
You're not wrong about the "mostly male army" thing, though with the Imperium being "50/50" (which I doubt even that) it's because there's so many bodies they need to throw out there on all fronts that it doesn't matter if you're a strong man or a weak woman, you're going into the meat grinder regardless. You're not expected the survive regardless of who you are unless you gain enough status to get the fuck off the front line, which is practically impossible even if you do survive a battle. If you can pick up a lasgun, throw a grenade at the enemy, and throw yourself at the enemy, it doesn't matter to the Imperium because you're not even a human male or female, just a statistic.

Good stuff, though I will say it looks a bit odd that the weapon of the Warrior is matte green yet the Warrior itself looks more glossy. I've never painted a Tyranid so that's just probably how it goes, speaking of which do you have any tips on painting Tyranids? I plan on painting a small force based on the homebrew Hive Fleet Nigger Nidhoggr.
Yeah quirk of the basecoat spray I use, it’s industrial spray paint for glossy coats on furniture - if you use a wash on it, it stays glossy, if you add a coat of the paint like the green weapon, the gloss disappears.

I have no tips unfortunately, other than I’ve heard contrast looks great - I love washes which seems to work a charm on Tyranids, I’m trying drybrushing on the horns, armor and weapons to highlight them and that looks pretty great. I’m not a good painter, so I focus on low effort high effect stuff - people will look at weapons and the heads, maybe the backs as well, so I pay attention to those, not so much to the torsos or feet.
 
They're redoing rules, supposedly eliminated compendium teams allegedly, doing a rules rebalance, and releasing it all free. As far as I know theyve been doing this every 3 years or so lately.
I see them redoing the rules but I don't see anywhere where it says free. I never played kill team but if 40k wasn't confusing enough Kill Team seems to require it's own set of books just to play. Core Rules makes sense but is a Dossier like a codex? Do they always come in pairs of teams? If the two teams you want aren't in the same book you get fucked and have to buy both? It also says it comes with universal equipment rules, so you have to buy every single one of these fucking things if you want to be able to use the strongest weapons they put out? I assume the rule changes will be mostly tweaks since there isn't any word that teams will have to be indexed or anything. That seems unusual considering GW has been completely revamping all of their game systems the last year or two. I don't know why GW hates onboarding new players to their other games and make shit as confusing as possible.
 
Is that one pedophile still in Stringstorm? Memory holed them until recently as one of their songs was still in my playlist. I don't like how they tried to sweep this under the rug and how they even got away with it because "oh there's multiple people in Stringstorm" despite the pedophile still being in the group when they made their "update" videos. Wondering if they quietly removed them.
 
WHFB died because no one was interested in it, and it only picked back up again as the old world because there was enough of an audience that it was basically new to people now. And even that's limited compared to AoS.
WHFB is an old man game designed for autistic people such as myself. The barrier of entry is higher because low points fantasy barely functions and you have less exciting models due to the way ranks have to work. I love it and play it alot but it's an exceptionally niche game compared to 40k where everyone ever had had a tactical marine box.
 
Is that one pedophile still in Stringstorm? Memory holed them until recently as one of their songs was still in my playlist. I don't like how they tried to sweep this under the rug and how they even got away with it because "oh there's multiple people in Stringstorm" despite the pedophile still being in the group when they made their "update" videos. Wondering if they quietly removed them.
Never heard of them, just looked at the "update" videos about it from a year ago and that comes off like a TTS voice with some weird pronunciation. And then I clicked on their Armageddon steel legion song... this seriously sounds like it was made by an AI.

"In ashen wastes where embers glows, steel legionnaires advance in rows
In fires glow their might behold, on treads of wrath to war they go"

I'm not normally one to bother nitpicking music, but that "embers glows" stuck out like a sore thumb to the point where I had to go back and see if I managed to read and hear it wrong. And there's some other somewhat questionable word choices in the rest of the lyrics, but the way it comes off so incredibly forced to match the music, it's just weird. And the lion awakes song, again it's very forced and weird. Their stuff from 4 years ago like their krieg rap thing and the adepta sororitas song that actually got millions of views come off as being far higher quality.

What a lame channel.
Pedophile in Stringstorm? First time I've heard of this. Have a post or something talking about it?
These videos seem to be about the guy who runs the channel admitting to it although the screenshot link in the first description is dead

So I guess they got caught DM'ng minors(seriously, wtf is it with content creators online? stop trying to fuck kids) and seem to have made some weird halfassed return that gets fuck all for views, that sounds like they're using some AI bullshit that they didn't have access to years ago when they were actually popular(I've never heard of them but whatever)

WHFB is an old man game designed for autistic people such as myself. The barrier of entry is higher because low points fantasy barely functions and you have less exciting models due to the way ranks have to work. I love it and play it alot but it's an exceptionally niche game compared to 40k where everyone ever had had a tactical marine box.
Absolutely, but at the same time it's just that the popularity it has gotten back as the old world, only seems to be the equivalent of the mcrib disappearing for a few years and everyone wanting one when it comes back. It's just that I can't buy the excuses about the models being old, rules not getting updated, etc. when the exact same thing was happening to 40k at practically the exact same time and it survived without turning into entirely just space marines vs space marines(horus heresy kinda does that but that's beside the point). I don't want to see The Old World die off, having multiple games for people to play is great even if I'm not personally a fan. It's just that I wouldn't expect much out of it after another couple of years once the hype finally dies down.

Legions Imperialis is likely also going to turn out the same way. Epic and Apocalypse have both come and gone multiple times now over the years. In this case, Epic sounds great being able to field armies of dozens of big ass models you normally wouldn't be able to in a game of 40k or even 30k. But except for the rarity of when they do some box thing like the starter or those solar auxilia and space marine boxes a few months back, the shit is literally just as expensive as normal scale. $52 lets you put 4 tiny tanks(they're actually pretty good for detail considering the size) on the table, but you'll still need dozens of groups of tanks like like a 30k tank is normally $80 and you'd need a handful of those. Troops? Yeah you're putting them down on the table by the dozen, but those few dozen troops are hardly any points and cost as much as a 30k/40k scale squad anyway. And even those battlegroup discount boxes, they padded the space marine one with 10 fucking rhinos? By the time you build yourself a 2500/3000 point army in epic, you're going to be in it at least a few hundred bucks assuming you don't pad it out with the warhound titans from the starter box that you may or may not want(nevermind the other half of the starter box you may or may not want) and that's still before being able to get an variety in your lists between games.

Give it another couple of years, that game will likely die off. They'll probably try to bring apocalypse back again, and the cycle will continue.
 
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