Off-Topic What is YOUR fundamental issue with troons outside of their batshittery.

[Wodanaz]

My problem isn't that they're lying, it's that they are demanding everyone else lie. It's literally totalitarian.

Basically this. Why be honest with someone who can't be? There's personal truth, and then there's straight up delusion.

 

[FarmVille]

Had a fat, female coworker recently announce that they are a man and the amount of love bombing, congratulations, and people crawling out of the woodwork to proclaim how “proud “ they are is equal parts mind boggling and nauseating.

There is absolutely nothing “male “ about this woman’s behavior, socialization, or appearance. I guess because they are unattractive and have short hair they can’t possible be a woman. Of course you can’t ask what about this person makes them not a woman. Completely mind boggling.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

1) They lie and manipulate all the time. They lie to their spouses, to their doctors, to children and to the public. And they require that I participate in their lies. They think they are owed validation. I owe them nothing.

2) They are obsessed with sex, wanking, and degeneracy. Its all about feeling cute and getting a boner in the womens restroom. Some of them may have dysphoria, but most of them are just addicted to pornography. I am convinced, that without the internet, there would be 99.9% less troons.

3) They hate and abuse women and girls. They annex womens loos, changing rooms, prisons and sports, and their tranny identity gives them a shield and an alibi. Fuck them.

4) They are grooming children on the internet, and tell vulnerable kids that problems of loneliness and insecurity can be helped with harmful drugs and surgery.

5) Affirmative therapy is the most demented quackery, and has no scientific basis. Their reconstructed genitals are manmade horror beyond comprehension. They lie about that too.

6) They are ugly and they stink.

7) Trannies are invariably insufferable to be around. If you enjoy anything socially, whether it is boardgames, cricket, hanggliding or gardening, trannies will inevitably infitrate it and make everything about themselves and their insane requirements. They are so God damn needy.

8 They contribute nothing to society, yet have insane and expensive healthcare demands, that the average working joe ends up paying for.

9) They mutilate the English language as much as they mutilate their own bodies, and they expect normies to use their childish troon jargon. They can go fuck themselves.

10) They are simultaneously an offense to the natural order, to God, and to common decency. And they stink.

 

[FarmVille]

I am convinced, that without the internet, there would be 99.9% less troons.

there was in fact 99.9% fewer troons before the internet

 

[M12 Warthog]

Considerably, a lot of issue with them comes from their batshittery, such as calling us bigots while they are the bigger and unaware bigots themselves.

A few things might be that they are social contagions invading the media and the internet bandwidth, or they are just an assimilative cult like the Flood from Halo.
Especially they are on every corner of the normie part of the Internet or social media.
You can stumble somewhere, and you will encounter some fucking trannies.
You can scroll through some social media feeds, and you will see someone post something regarding trannies, but it is primarily their propaganda instead.
By assimilative cults they are perpetually on the mindset they are being "persecuted" and the only way is to assimilate everyone.

theyre out there lookin like beezlebub took dump in a gas station parking lot
u can be old, fat, ugly, diseased, you still look better than one of these frankenstein ass lab escapees

Lol, I would rather be the dirtiest man known; God rest his soul than to be ending up like those trannies. Once again, may God have mercy on all.

 

[M12 Warthog]

Their insistence to get children involved in all aspects of their sexual fetish.

Because other age groups are not vulnerable enough to get indoctrinated to what the cult preaches?

 

[MeltyTW]

They fucked with my alogging, that alone should be a crime the courts sentence you to death over. so many great ralph moments have gone unarchived and without a live kf response.

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

Had a fat, female coworker recently announce that they are a man and the amount of love bombing, congratulations, and people crawling out of the woodwork to proclaim how “proud “ they are is equal parts mind boggling and nauseating.

There is absolutely nothing “male “ about this woman’s behavior, socialization, or appearance. I guess because they are unattractive and have short hair they can’t possible be a woman. Of course you can’t ask what about this person makes them not a woman. Completely mind boggling.

I look at people like that and think to myself, yeah you might not be the most attractive physically due to your weight to some people but that issue can be fixed and you can wear it properly to offset it. You are always going to get people that don't like a fatty but if you are the happy go lucky chunky charming broad that's something that's related to self confidence and personal integrity. But the person deep down is too weak to address this and fix it or even just go the face value route and say, yeah im a fatty. This is a total cop out of a lifestyle and circumstance in her case.

Insecurity and lack of confidence is a natural human situation but this new "truth" to fix it is even worse than fat acceptance.

 

[FarmVille]

I look at people like that and think to myself, yeah you might not be the most attractive physically due to your weight to some people but that issue can be fixed and you can wear it properly to offset it. You are always going to get people that don't like a fatty but if you are the happy go lucky chunky charming broad that's something that's related to self confidence and personal integrity. But the person deep down is too weak to address this and fix it or even just go the face value route and say, yeah im a fatty. This is a total cop out of a lifestyle and circumstance in her case.

Insecurity and lack of confidence is a natural human situation but this new "truth" to fix it is even worse than fat acceptance.

This woman will now replace her existing insecurities with insecurities about being misgendered and insecurities about everyone knowing that she’s trans. As much as she never lived up to idealized physical female qualities shes reallllly never going to live up to any physical male qualities. At least as a woman she had tits and a vagina and women generally speaking don’t care about being 5’2”.

All the coworkers clapping are totally unaware of how this woman’s life is going to become nonstop worrying about her voice, her height, her lack of a beard, etc. Every conversation is going to need to be prefixed with pronouns. Everyone will have to police themselves to not say what their brains want to. All compulsion about not wanting to be a big, bad, bigot.

 

[Dr. Henry Armitage]

For me it's the complete denial of objective reality. And how the powers that be and academia enable them. I remember somewhere some troon saying something to the effect of if reality is telling you something different from whats in your head we must abolish reality. Academics make up bullshit and call it science. Then troons can point to it and say dumb shit like there are no differences between men and women. If you call them on it they can claim you're a science denier. Then the powers that be kowtow to the troons and try to force everyone else to deny reality too. Lest the special uwu trans kill themselves. God forbid we call insane porn sick degenerates what they are and try to protect women and children from them. It feels like the story of the emperors new clothes and we're just a small crowd who got run out of town because we thought everyone was insane for claiming to see what obviously wasn't there.

 

[gateway]

Getting all your thoughts straight in 1 blob of text is pretty hard, so here I go:

1. Making everyone believe their lies. Making their lies the new normal.
As a starter, I don't care what anyone does in their home's privacy. Want to dress up as a woman and twerk to a camera? Sure. Want to get a dick shoved up your ass? Sure. But when you try taking that outside of your private space, it just becomes very wrong. If they just kept dressing as women in their own lil groups, I doubt anyone would give a flying shit, but they are trying to make it the new normal. They are trying to normalize men dressing up as women and acting like one, and forcing everyone to blindly agree with their decisions in the process, or "your pronouns will become we/were".

2. If their reality isn't your reality, expect to be fucked with
Relating to the above argument, if any group of individuals doesn't agree with their reality, they will be fucked with. From your Twitter getting suspended, to your job firing you, to you not being able to register a legal company or have a mailing address (the Kiwifarms being a GREAT example), everything you once loved will be gone.

3. Pushing it onto children & making them believe you are a part of the cult
Are you a girl that loves basketball or hokey? Then you MUST be a tranny. You can't just be a masculine girl (also called tomboys), you MUST be the opposite gender, there is no other way. But let's say you did think you are a tranny and went to your family doctor asking for help. They will send you to a gender clinic, which will give you testosterone within 30 minutes of you entering the premise, which is absolutely messed up. And to quote NO WAY BACK: "It's up to us on the left to walk this back, I want liberals to make room for gender diversity. And that includes masculine girls and feminine boys, without telling them they need to leave their sex category because they are different"

 

[Bionicle Enthusiast]

• The erasure of women as a whole: I'm no male femenist, and quite frankly woman's suffrage probably led to this one way or another, but troons want to change the definition of women so it fits them. Women are now, Birthing people, bleeders, vagina havers... etc... Many women in sports work hard to achieve their dreams and passions, just for a guy ranked #853 in that sport to be the #1 woman.

• Controlling others: They want everybody to conform to their ideology, and to play along. Freedom is an important thing to maintain, and nobody should take that way from others (Barring they're not some sexual deviant/murderer/psychopath who needs to be institutionalized). They want you to respect them, but they don't respect other religions that maintain their way of life is wrong. No matter how cordial the opposing party could be at first retaliation is usually hostile from the troon end.

• Vapidity, self indulgence and dishonesty: It is inherently dishonest when someone decides to troon out. Millions of years of evolution spat on. It's also so vain to go through so much effort to trick yourself that you are different now, and once the surgery happens there's no turning back and the only way out is a noose. Gaggles of troons (what is a group of troons anyway? A Suicide? A noose of troons?) sit in an echo chamber validating each other. None of them ask, "Hmmm, this was right for me - but is it right for this other person?". There has to be a correlation between troonism and narcissism.

• Hobby takeovers: Man, I remember being younger and thinking games done quick was fucking neat, then like two years later somethings off. It's different, it's soul is gone. It's just a husk, and more and more of these shapeshifters come into the fray, hosting the event, running it. It was pathetic. I was thankfully never one to speedrun, but I did enjoy viewing those events early on, but not anymore. They inject themselves into hobbies, and start pushing their faux identity onto it. "Woooah guys, [INSERT HOBBY] helped me with my trans identity!" No it didn't. You made that decision, and you're just using this as an outlet for validation among internet strangers. It feels as if nothing is sacred because gatekeepers failed at their job.

• The most heinous - Indoctrinating and grooming children and teenagers: They refuse to let kids be kids anymore. They corrupt them, plant their seeds of evil within their tiny still developing brains. So many kids who just wanted to fit in thought they had found a friend, but that friend convinced them to do things to themselves where there will be no turning back and long term consequences. They're blatantly podophilic too. Besides grooming kids into illicit activities, they also, as wee see with Keffals, have children go behind their parents back to order troonshine. Then on top of that, there's parents who use their kids as status symbols, and they want to be the cool woke parents so they fully support their kids being in this cult. It's saddening and sickening to see.

 

[Cnaiur urs Skiotha]

For me it's the attention whoring. I don't think it's a coincidence that a social shift toward trans and queer identities happened in the 2010s, a time when social media became nearly ubiquitous in the First World, and primarily among young people. Being a person of gender for zoomers, and to a lesser extent millenials, brings with it loads of attention, validation, and sympathy, sometimes real and sometimes socially mandatory. Yes, it also brings negative engagement, but cyberbullying won't actually hurt you and usually brings you even more asspats and lets you feel like a righteous victim. This is why lolcows often consciously or unconsciously seek out negative engagement with their trolls. I think the social media environment that actual children are dropped into is fucking poison for any number of reasons not related to trans shit, but it is one of the many problems I have with it. So much of it is just posturing for attention and to get some kind of emotional high.

If somebody just wants to live as the other sex quietly and sanely, dressing appropriately for their age and body type, not being a sex pest or a social media nuisance, I'm enough of a don't-give-a-fuck personal libertarian to respect that and use the pronouns. The people I have a problem with are the type we made this site to discuss: the extremely online narcissists and sociopaths, the hyper-cringe teenagers and hipsters who change identities like clothes but expect you to treat each one as the most serious life-or-death shit ever. The ones who make queer or trans their whole personality and their whole life. The ones chasing a sociopathic power fantasy or a coomer humilition fetish or a narc ego trip. You're not allowed to talk about these people in public because 1. normies have no context on this stuff since they don't seek out horrible freaks like we do and 2. normies will just assume you hate all trans people and probably gays too and probably worship Jesus Christ or something. There's a fascinating and damaging social phenomenon happening here, one that clearly intersects with toxic social media use and the hellish attention economy, and how it affects young people and the developing brains of children etc. but it's also such a stupid culture war flashpoint right now that no useful discourse about it is actually going on. On the right there are actual bigots who write off all LGBT shit as libcuck culture enemy shit, and on the left if you're not absolutely fawningly pro-trans, I mean falling all over yourself to stake out the most radically pro-trans stance possible, well you're fucked nazi. Nowhere but kiwifarms can you discuss this shit.

 

[Otterly]

If you think life would be better as a cat we can philosophise, maybe it would be
If you think you ARE a cat you’ve got a delusional belief
If you insist that the law recognises you as a car and that if I point out you’re not a cat you have me fired, and my life ruined, you’re an insane threat to me
If you start grooming children and encouraging to have tails grafted on you’re an evil menace amd a threat to socoety and need putting down
Where do you start? Compelled speech, child grooming, forcing the law to accommodate falsehood, sexual perversion, corruption of minors.
There not a single positive thing about trannies, they are agents of Satan

 

[FinnSven]

Mostly I concur with the following.

Are you a man who likes pink or fashion? Then you must be actually female. Are you a woman who likes car mechanics or wrestling? Then you must be actually male. Absurd.

Time was, it was getting more and more acceptable for people to like stuff considered suitable or primarily for the opposite sex.
Now it’s evidence of feeling disgusted at your own genitalia.

There is absolutely nothing “male “ about this woman’s behavior, socialization, or appearance. I guess because they are unattractive and have short hair they can’t possible be a woman. Of course you can’t ask what about this person makes them not a woman. Completely mind boggling.

What annoys me about pooners or FTMs is that as soon as they are called on to do a traditionally “manly” task which involves physical strength or hardship, they drop the act pretty quickly.

They are grooming children on the internet, and tell vulnerable kids that problems of loneliness and insecurity can be helped with harmful drugs and surgery.

This is the strongest evidence of them being a cult.

there was in fact 99.9% fewer troons before the internet

Yeah. They were rare to the point that an early sex change patient in the Uk actually had a couple of documentaries about them.
This was when there was 4 channels and time slot space was at a premium, not like today when any retard with a smartphone can make a “documentary”.

 

[Art Corvalay]

Two main things

The first is that they aren't just lying to themselves, but they're trying to force others to play along with their lie (under penalty of law in increasingly more western jurisdictions)

Second is the incredibly high prevalence of sexual predatory behavior among them. It's an elephant in the room you're not allowed to mention. And now even as many of them are blatantly grooming minors, you're the evil one for having a problem with that

 

[Debbie Macomber]

I hate that in their arguments to destroy biological sex they constantly resort to Diogenes' chicken:

You say a man has a penis and a women has a vagina, huh? What about the girl born without a vagina? Does that make her a boy? Hmm? Hmm?

Plato says humans are furless bipeds, huh? So I guess according to Plato plucked chickens are humans!

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

This woman will now replace her existing insecurities with insecurities about being misgendered and insecurities about everyone knowing that she’s trans. As much as she never lived up to idealized physical female qualities shes reallllly never going to live up to any physical male qualities. At least as a woman she had tits and a vagina and women generally speaking don’t care about being 5’2”.

All the coworkers clapping are totally unaware of how this woman’s life is going to become nonstop worrying about her voice, her height, her lack of a beard, etc. Every conversation is going to need to be prefixed with pronouns. Everyone will have to police themselves to not say what their brains want to. All compulsion about not wanting to be a big, bad, bigot.

Exactly what I had in mind, the person just changed one set of insecurity for another. Mathematically you also have made your situation worse by having MORE to worry about and micromanage.

As I go through this thread, I am really struggling to see any sort of "hate" in any sense that you would have seen in a person from the 40's or 50's. Yeah there are some out there but overall you gent's really are just people that want to not have something shoved down your throat at every turn and then somehow be labeled something when you are not 110% fawning over them. You know that you don't have to hate someone to not support them. I firmly believe if I don't live the lifestyle or have some kind of connection to it ( there are circumstances that can happen ) then it's simply me being used.

I love this place.

 

[Rabbi Bill Clinton]

At least for MtF troons, it's the fact that they feel compelled to act like the most fake and exaggerated female behavior I've ever seen online. "Talking like this teehee oops wink~" or some dumb shit like that. When they talk about female stuff it feels really forced too i.e. (man) boobs and menstruation. I think Jonathan Yaniv is a good example of what I mean here. It's more cringe than anything.

FtM troons just scream fujo and yaoi lovers to me as if they want to be the Sasuke Uchiha 480p amv they aspire to be in real life.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Troons are overwhelmingly the demographic I speak on above. Of course black troons exist, pooners do, but to a tee they are always straight white men - usually wealthy or financially comfortable - and they are, in effect, colonizing women's spaces and wording.

Even colonizing doesn't begin to accurately describe it. When the British colonized America, they didn't start acting like they were Indians and taking on Indian names and identifying as "trans-Indian" and appropriating every aspect of their culture for themselves like they owned it and were just "born in the wrong body".

I hate that in their arguments to destroy biological sex they constantly resort to Diogenes' chicken:

You say a man has a penis and a women has a vagina, huh? What about the girl born without a vagina? Does that make her a boy? Hmm? Hmm?

Plato says humans are furless bipeds, huh? So I guess according to Plato plucked chickens are humans!

The really aggravating part of this is somehow they never consider how their own definitions run afoul of Diogenes' chicken.

Best example is the redefinition of "lesbian" to be "a non-man attracted to non-men". So now literally Diogene's chicken itself would be a lesbian too, as well as every other animal on the planet. Good enough for fucking John Hopkins University somehow.

And that connects to another thing about troons: The constant double standards. Waaaahh, don't misgender me, my pronouns are she/her and if you use he/him that's literal violence and hate speech. Ok. But somehow Alan Baker calling for TERFs to be punched in the face isn't violence and hate speech?