Off-Topic What is YOUR fundamental issue with troons outside of their batshittery.

[WeDrinkRitalin]

It's not the troons who pass, it's the ones who don't who want special privileges.

 

[Executive Petrel]

It's like seeing a two-headed snake or a newborn human with a goat head and hooves. You feel deeply uneasy and want this poor creature to unhappen, because you cleary see it's in agony while emotionally disturbing other beings around it.
Probably its just my fragile toxic masculinity i guess.

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

This thread makes me wish I was good at writing. I'd love to take all the issues people have brought up here and compile them into a nifty little document, something to show that the opposition to trannies comes from all kinds of people, not just right-wingers. Push back against the strawman trannies have built.

But that assumes anyone will even get a chance to read it. Knowing our luck, if it's convincing enough then it'd get banned faster than Christchurch footage.

You really could just start anywhere and send it when you feel ready. Shit, why dont you have a jailbroken A.I help out with it?

 

[AMHOLIO]

What? I love trans people! Why do you think I'm named after one?

 

[𝕺𝖑' 𝕯𝖎𝖗𝖙𝖞 𝕱𝖆𝖙𝖘𝖔]

I was literally sexually assaulted because I don't like dick and now according to angry men in dresses I'm a bigot for that reason.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

honestly, i would give a fuck less about faggots wearing dresses if it meant my freedom of speech/children weren’t getting fucked in the process. i’m very sensitive about certain things in my life, and 2 of them are my right to speak and children. my opinions have been talked to death but if a troon wants to wear makeup and be nothing but a fuckhole, fine. but don’t force people to go along with your delusions when there are groups of people that don’t fucking agree with you.

i just wish troons could be level headed people, understand why people don’t like you, change your behavior and learn from it but that rarely happens because grift = profit

 

[FATTESTCUNT 2.0]

Ultimately it's because they want us to restructure society via a religious-like ideology that is fine with trampling upon the rights of others, particularly women and girls.

An ideology that is based around a pseudo-scientific idea of a "gendered soul" that can be a mismatch for your biological sex.

An ideology that uses rigid gender stereotypes in ludicrous regressive ways, e.g. if you have a male child that likes the colour pink over blue, or prefers dancing to football, maybe he's really a girl trapped inside a boy's body.

An ideology that is fine with leading confused children, often bi/gay, often autistic, often with other issues like depression or anxiety, down a path of medication and surgery, despite even organisations like the grotesque "Mermaids" previously agreeing that the vast majority of children with gender issues grow out of them once they go through puberty.

An ideology that simply cannot be questioned, otherwise you're a Nazi that is endorsing genocide.

An ideology that has achieved such a level of capture, that even politicians and scientists are peddling completely nonsensical horse shit. It's far worse than any other pseudo-scientific movement I've experienced in my lifetime, simply because of the level of cowardice displayed, and to a lesser degree, delusion.

Also, I have never seen any other movement of this stature where the prominent leaders and spokespeople contain such a high number of narcissistic, awful cunts, often with backgrounds that show them to be degenerates, drug addicts/dealers, sex offenders etc. No wonder they want to get Kiwi Farms shut down, cos their true histories are laid bare here for all to see!

 

[Fartificial Insmelligence]

Same as most have said, it's fine if you wanna chop your own dick off, but don't tell me I can't call a spade a spade.

 

[𝕺𝖑' 𝕯𝖎𝖗𝖙𝖞 𝕱𝖆𝖙𝖘𝖔]

Few more reasons. I could write a whole book. This is just one angle.

• Being trans is ultimately a choice in a way that being gay isn't. Gays don't choose to be attracted to the same sex. Trannies make a conscious decision to transition, nobody forces them to take hormones or get surgery. It's all on them.
• You could compare that to the idea that same sex attraction doesn't mean you necessarily enter relationships with the same sex, but the difference is that a gay relationship still exists regardless of whether other people approve of it. A trans person's gender requires the support and approval of everyone they interact with. Trans people contradict themselves by claiming they know who they really are inside and then getting incredibly offended by misgendering, even when it's an honest mistake from random strangers. I get called "he" sometimes, since I'm tall and usually wear gender neutral clothing, but it doesn't affect or bother me because I'm secure in my identity. I don't need other people to call me she all the time to know I'm a woman or a lesbian because it's just what I am regardless of others' perception.
• Most people who support the trans movement still slip up. You see people accidentally use the wrong pronouns all the time even when they're trying to be respectful. It's not real acceptance, it's forced ass-kissing. Nobody deep down sees trans people as exactly the same regardless of how much they kowtow.
• On top of this, any slip-up can have serious consequences for random people. People quite literally lose their jobs over it now. On top of troons being oversensitive, placating those feelings is top priority. Everyone says dumb shit sometimes... but God forbid you're stressed at work and accidentally call Danielle David, even though you've worked with David for the past ten years and he came out two weeks ago.
• Despite its labeling as progressive, the trans movement promotes an incredibly limited and reactionary view of gender and gender roles. This is especially harmful for women. Other young women who don't fit a super girly bimbofied box of femininity these days skip calling themselves women entirely in favor of being a they/them. All this enbyfication has eroded the sense of solidarity with other women that previous generations felt regardless of adherence to gender roles; now they don't even consider themselves part of the same gender/sex, even though the same sex based issues affect them just as much as they do a feminine woman.

 

[Kled]

It's the narcissistic behavior. The whining. The constant complaining. The fucking everything. Everything has to be an attack or coded as one when in actuality no one gives a fuck. They constantly make EVERYTHING about themselves; they have 0 creativity and 0 social skills. They have no shame, no opsec, no bare minimum common sense then get angry when their words and pictures/posts are used to shit on them. Everything about them makes me want to snap but i know in the end, it wont bother me and that trannies and troons are the equivalent of the annoying fuck who thought they were funny in school and would just grind your nerves until one day you unleash the beast and then you get in trouble.

I had the misfortune of being in a fandom roleplay discord with a troon this past three weeks and they were the exact example of a narcissistic troon I've ever seen. Constantly talking about themselves, they obv self insert troon character. Smug and self righteous to the point of contempt. They never took responsibility for their fuck ups (another thing i hate as a whole) and what made them leave was a simple question about morality. A basic yes/no question on if killing a drug dealer peddling drugs to kids and people is bad or not. Troons have no moral compass and they all feel like they mimic what well adjusted or normal people do. They're almost always fucking autistic and treat it as a quirk. They're gross, hedonistic, dont contribute to any fucking thing they touch.

Zoomer troons are the equivalent of driving nails into your head because they're usually always autistic, whiny, poor social skills, poor manners, no survival skills.l, and dont care about anything other that tiktok and the usual dogwhistles and hot topics. They swear they know everything and will attack you for simply not caring or being passive/tolerant. On a very personal level, troons have made me more self conscious of things i cant control like my voice. Body dysmorphia is not fun at all and these fucking freaks make it so hard to accept basic things about myself. I hate working with them and because of them my tolance for anything lgbt has dropped. This thread is cathartic as fuck.

TTD. I really fucking hate having to hear about them everyday in the same way i hate having to hear about blacks committing crimes. Why cant they be normal?

 

[Aubergine Stupendous]

Trannies are the exact kind of societal poison that takes advantage of well meaning fools, which the education industry is rife with. Like many, the intersection of troonery and children has made me a hardline TTD fan. People are treating this like they did other societal trends that in retrospect were dumb but harmless, like when everyone of a certain generation found it trendy to identify as “bi-curious” in school despite curiously never once having a gay experience in their lives. Only now instead of something your school friends might roast you nostalgically for, we are irrevocably altering and destroying the lives of children.

At most I have seen some question the ever lowering age of child genital mutilation surgery but always, always the conversation gets stuck on “we want kids to have agency, it is their right to choose,” and merrily we pat ourselves on the back while our children march into a rainbow gilded death cult because we were too afraid of conflict to step in and be parents, too cowed by societal cancer to question what is plainly obvious, and too weak to be the responsible and nurturing guide children need us to be. That’s my fundamental outrage with these people, the arrogant and yet perpetually victimized troon, couched between million dollar corporations and legislation tightening the noose on anything approaching critical thought or criticism. It’s all very tiresome.

 

[Jacques1194]

For me, it's the constant suicide baiting and the fact that they get away with a lot because of that.Literally no other group of people uses suicide in order to get what they want.There's a lot to criticize the BLM movement, but i have never once herd any black person go"GIVE US POLICE REFORMS OTHERWISE BLACK PEOPLE WILL KILL THEMSELVES."Its also the fact that whenever someone asks them the question "If trans people have always existed, and will die without their drugs or surgery then where were all the dead bodies before all these drugs and surgery became available to people?"In the 90s teen suicide rates were rare compared to now,.The usual response from TRAs is the most unfalsifiable claim of"Their deaths were under reported" like there was a government conspiracy to cover up trans suicide rates.Yet people continue to get baited by suicide threats.

 

[Frog Times]

The fact that none of them are the least bit normal. It could be the pre-packaged AGP and other degenerate fetishes that devolve from their faggotry; however, you would think there would be at least one holy troon where they would not want to sniff women's underwear.

Yet, that is never the case. They're all retarded. I hate them. They can go be troons somewhere else, just not near me.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

What blood has a troon ever shed in real service to its nation? What sweat has a troon ever wiped off its brow during a day of hard, honest work? What tears has a troon ever cried after coming home from a shitty day at work, hoping that enough hard days at work will lead to a better life? When has a troon ever demonstrated genuine love and care towards another living thing? When has a troon ever gone out of its way, selflessly, with no thought for personal gain or repayment, to perform a deed to help someone else purely because it is the right thing to do?

uh you clearly haven’t met a reddit mod

i'll say this because it's related to the topic but slightly off-topic. it seems like the constant point being brought up is "i really don't even give a fuck about what someone does in their personal life, just stop trying to force me into shit i don't like." which is unironically based because if you were an outsider, you would just assume everyone on here just hates troons, no and ifs or butts about it. it's fucking amazing today to see a group of people have a normal fucking take for once

im so tired of hearing, "you know what guys, we should normalize pedophilia" or "yeah, i think someone should die just by saying the nigger word". you get so tired of dealing with twitter tards, it's breathtaking to know not everyone is retarded. i know people say shit for the meme or whatever, but it's nice to see when it comes down to it and somebody asks, people can give their opinion without chimping out over it

edit: tl;dr: it's nice seeing people understand nuance; it feels like even with the most far-right person on here, I could probably have a beer with them and talk about how minorities are ruining the population

 

[Super Guido]

At least for MtF troons, it's the fact that they feel compelled to act like the most fake and exaggerated female behavior I've ever seen online. "Talking like this teehee oops wink~" or some dumb shit like that. When they talk about female stuff it feels really forced too i.e. (man) boobs and menstruation. I think Jonathan Yaniv is a good example of what I mean here. It's more cringe than anything.

FtM troons just scream fujo and yaoi lovers to me as if they want to be the Sasuke Uchiha 480p amv they aspire to be in real life.

That's one of my pet peeves as well. There's an annoying amount of people who, when they troon out, end up sounding like that "how do you do, fellow kids?" meme. A guy who troons out will suddenly try to get in women's good graces by complaining about misogynistic dudebros. He'll get super upset when people don't play along, and whoever thinks it's weird will be labeled as transphobic.

That has also been my experience with pooners. Two of the three I knew were openly into some weird sex shit like mpreg and making cartoon porn where their favorite male characters are trans men. Even before I peaked, I felt that it was kind of weird how they were into sexual stuff that seemed contrary to the serious nature of dysphoria.

Basically my issues are that mtf specifically receive special treatment and none of the ideology makes sense. 99.9999 percent of it is personal insecurities not addressing the root problem or porn addiction.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

The concept of "transgender" comes from the lie that sex differences somehow stop at the chromosomes and genitals.

There is also John Money and the sick crap he pulled, which led to the Current Year fixation on "genders" as well.

 

[888Flux]

They specifically go out of their way to target, manipulate, and groom those who are most easily influenced such as individuals on the autism spectrum (like Chris). They are a small, obnoxious majority who are being propped up by the corporate and political establishment for who knows what fucking purpose. Transgenderism is a mind virus that is hurting people who would otherwise just be weirdos with obscure hobbies and could otherwise live a somewhat functional life. Instead this sort of closed feedback loop turns these people into chopping their own dick off and the virus continues it's propagation.

 

[Swede]

I hate how trans people (particularly FTMs) put in little to no effort in passing and still get all pissy when you call them the wrong gender.
I also hate when they call themselves "gay" or "lesbian". Every time a trans person calls themselves this, I'm just sitting there like "No the hell you aren't, you're straight"

 

[JustSomeChick]

It’s hard for me to put it into words, but here goes. How can you claim “trans women are women” when trans women experience none of the common challenges and life experiences women have? How can you say “trans men are men“ when trans men don’t experience the struggles and experiences men do?

I’m a woman. From an early age I was trained to sit with my legs closed or crossed. I had to wash my long hair more often than my brother had to wash his short hair. My parents were way more involved with keeping tabs on me in my teen years than my brother, too. Every time I see a trans “woman” claiming to be a real woman, I always want to ask them a bunch of pointed questions. How many times have you gone to work in pain because menstrual cramps can be the devil but arent an excuse to miss work? How many times have you told a friend “going on a date, call the cops if you don’t hear from my by this time?” You know that glorious feeling when you get home and “unhook” for the night? Never? Then you’ve never experienced womanhood. Just like I can’t write another paragraph about male experiences because guess what I’ve never been?

 

[fake farts]

The way that they invade womens spaces, lives, and identities in every single way. The way that they villify, dogpile, and outright violently attack those women. The fact that literal rapists and murderers of women and girls are given "uwu poor twanny didn't get his gender affirmation surgery" tweets by organizations like the ACLU. The way that they take anything women do, from menial labor at home, at work, childcare (including breastfeeding), mundane experiences like health visits, even our very oppressions like forced prostitution or living under the bullshit of Pisslam, and turn it into their fetish. The fact that they groom children into this. The fact that they force babies to drink their gross inflamed mantit pus, while the poor thing struggles for nourishment that will never come, all because it makes the tranny coom. The fact that they kill websites, destroy freedom of speech, use the government to bully people into place. The fact that they have, quite possibly, the most disproportionate power of any group in the world. Not even the exalted blacks in the US have such power and are so revered.

Also, they stink and I don't like 'em.