Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

If you haven’t peaked reading any of the threads on transgenderism on Kiwifarms, particularly the SRS surgeries thread, then you’re a retard who’s a lost cause.

What peaked me aside from the shit I read on here is the fact that I’m surrounded by these people and have observed the harm they do. Everything they touch turns to rot and ruin. They are overall a vile group of individuals who have corporate America, major companies, and the media behind them. If you’re a cause who’s received the backing of these three, then you aren’t a cause worth fighting for.

I’ll try my best not to PL but irl and online I try to spread awareness about the benefits of unionisation and how the elite class of this country have stolen worker’s wages for their own benefit. I’m vehemently anti-corporate and anti-capitalist. I was making strides in leftist circles (the people who more often tend to support this cause), and then it started getting hijacked by troons. What started out as workers rights quickly became about LGBT (specifically T rights) in the workforce. These people wanted me to change the way I addressed paid maternity leave to include trans men. Use inclusive language they screeched, telling me to use the term pregnant person and that maternity leave should extend to trans women despite the fact that trans women can’t even get fucking pregnant.

Now in many lefty circles you can’t discuss workers rights without these retards barging in and including themselves in. I have a tip for y’all: NEVER include these people. Extend your hand out in kindness and you’ll get a mile’s-long list of demands in return. Their entitlement and abuse of the average joe remind me of a certain other class of people…hmmm who could that be—OH YEAH, the elite class who has fully backed these people’s asses and makes sure to silence anyone who dares oppose them.

A major reason these people are universally disliked outside of progressive and online spheres is not just because they don’t look like the sex they’re trying to emulate, but because they have a reputation for constantly taking, taking, taking and giving nothing in return but more screeching and threats. And these are the same people the are pushing HRT onto minors, because catering to a delusional, tiny minority is much more important than the fact most people in the middle class are living paycheck to paycheck and wages haven’t sufficiently increased in 40 years.

Fuck these cunts.

 

[Bowl of Ramen]

A major reason these people are universally disliked outside of progressive and online spheres is not just because they don’t look like the sex they’re trying to emulate, but because they have a reputation for constantly taking, taking, taking and giving nothing in return but more screeching and threats. And these are the same people the are pushing HRT onto minors, because catering to a delusional, tiny minority is much more important than the fact most people in the middle class are living paycheck to paycheck and wages haven’t sufficiently increased in 40 years.

We may not completely agree politically, but shout this from the rooftops. I can’t think of anything more entitled and bourgeoisie than complaining about how you feel oppressed because not everyone agrees with a man wearing a skirt, while people are worried about putting food on the table or being priced out of their homes due to X factor (in my town it’s gentrification).

I don’t have time to worry about your speshul identity beyond hoping not to get raped in the bathroom.

 

[Jetski Blues]

Both radical feminists and trannies are claiming that there are no real differences between men and women. Feminists use it to explain why men are unjustly oppressing women (We're the same, ergo any differences in occupations and outcomes are becomes men are oppressing women) and trannies use it to explain why can become women (If we're the same, then why can't I be a woman?).

Feminists created trannies by demanding a world of unlimited permissiveness. Its why they share the same fundumentals.

They pick and choose the similarities and differences they want depending on what's convinient. If men and women are different physically and mentally then there is no excuse to complain about difference in societal outcomes, responsibilities and expectations, yet they still do. Male dominated fields are male dominated because men think different, not becuase men are keeping women out.

There is a wide recognition within trans exclusionary radical feminism that men and women are different. Certain differences, namely men being physically stronger than women, are usually seen as the original cause of women's subordination. This is why TERFs simply maintain it is not fair for men to compete in women's sport.

Many radical feminists do de-emphasize behavioral differences between men and women in imagined 'state of nature' and often keep quite mum about the issue. So while men are innately inclined to be pedophiles, rapists and generally sadistic towards the defenseless, radical feminists tend to emphasize social causes for these behaviors.

This is partly because historically claims of innate male supremacy have been used by men to justify the subordination of women. For example, men claimed women were neurologically unfit to participate in political decision-making, so women, held as chattel, were systematically denied any say about their own lives and prevented from organizing for millennia. This may surprise you, but women's biology didn't change when Suffragettes finally gained the vote.

Privately, some radical feminists actually believe in some form of female supremacy. Many think, for example, that our societies would be better off, more altruistic, happier etc. and less violent and warring if women were in control. As an example, most radical feminists don't advocate for total genocide of men, even if men are biologically predestined to be rapists and sadists, but aim towards building a kinder society that minimizes these innate male behaviors and protects their victims.

But sure, radfems agree on everything with trans rights activists, caused pornsic coomers to think men in frilly panties are the ultimate expression of femaleness and probably founded ISIS too.

 

[Gramlol]

There is a wide recognition within trans exclusionary radical feminism that men and women are different. Certain differences, namely men being physically stronger than women, are usually seen as the original cause of women's subordination. This is why TERFs simply maintain it is not fair for men to compete in women's sport.

Many radical feminists do de-emphasize behavioral differences between men and women in imagined 'state of nature' and often keep quite mum about the issue. So while men are innately inclined to be pedophiles, rapists and generally sadistic towards the defenseless, radical feminists tend to emphasize social causes for these behaviors.

This is partly because historically claims of innate male supremacy have been used by men to justify the subordination of women. For example, men claimed women were neurologically unfit to participate in political decision-making, so women, held as chattel, were systematically denied any say about their own lives and prevented from organizing for millennia. This may surprise you, but women's biology didn't change when Suffragettes finally gained the vote.

Privately, some radical feminists actually believe in some form of female supremacy. Many think, for example, that our societies would be better off, more altruistic, happier etc. and less violent and warring if women were in control. As an example, most radical feminists don't advocate for total genocide of men, even if men are biologically predestined to be rapists and sadists, but aim towards building a kinder society that minimizes these innate male behaviors and protects their victims.

But sure, radfems agree on everything with trans rights activists, caused pornsic coomers to think men in frilly panties are the ultimate expression of femaleness and probably founded ISIS too.

I should add that radical feminism rejects it's cause as 'equality with men'. That's a liberal pop feminism line. Radical feminism recognises the differences between men and women, and seeks to liberate women from male oppression. Not become 'just as good as men/equal', because radical feminism rejects the idea that women should strive to be like men. Liberal feminism, the kind everyone is sold because it's corporate friendly and doesn't make man babies cry, is about 'women can be equal with men'.
Rad fems and liberal feminism are basically ideological enemies, but most only know liberal feminism, which never explores difference between men and women and is into women as 'just as good as men!' as it's cause.

 

[supremeautismo]

I’ve posted about the beautiful trans womyn who peaked me at work a while back, about a year ago. Well, the troon is now officially, mercifully gone. He’s quitting right after the holidays, but he wanted to get the week of paid holiday leave first. (Can’t say I blame him.)

He, now, within under a year of transition, has DD tits. They look like 2000’s fake tits, and he’s admitted that it was the look he wanted. He also has waxed poetic about getting them “as big as possible.” This was after work hours at a bar (once again, my work friends are blinded by troonism and handmaidens of the highest degree), so at least he had enough sense to keep that on the down-low at work.

Nothing ever came of the sexual assault allegations. Nothing at work, but nothing within the “friend group” either. I think I became a bit on the outside because my distaste for him was nearly about to bubble out of me. The fact that he’s bragged about being catcalled (doubt) and saying it “makes him gender euphoric” only asserts to anyone sane that he’s an obvious predator.

He’s also taken on to adopt “bimbo culture,” and now acts ditzy and even more attention whore-y in public. So glad this fool is moving on; here’s hoping he’s dumb enough to leave without another job lined up.

But of course, right on time, two weeks ago, another troon was hired. So far he seems quiet and generally hangs out with the guys, which I wasn’t expecting. I have known tame troons in my life, so I’m hoping he’s another one.

But based on my company’s hiring practices, probably not.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

We may not completely agree politically, but shout this from the rooftops. I can’t think of anything more entitled and bourgeoisie than complaining about how you feel oppressed because not everyone agrees with a man wearing a skirt, while people are worried about putting food on the table or being priced out of their homes due to X factor (in my town it’s gentrification).

I don’t have time to worry about your speshul identity beyond hoping not to get raped in the bathroom.

That’s the hilarious thing, we don’t have to see eye to eye on politics but we absolutely know one of the roots of the issue. Social media may try to push us apart but in the end, many of us have the same struggles, and we can agree on this: fuck troons and their ilk.

I should add that radical feminism rejects it's cause as 'equality with men'. That's a liberal pop feminism line. Radical feminism recognises the differences between men and women, and seeks to liberate women from male oppression. Not become 'just as good as men/equal', because radical feminism rejects the idea that women should strive to be like men. Liberal feminism, the kind everyone is sold because it's corporate friendly and doesn't make man babies cry, is about 'women can be equal with men'.
Rad fems and liberal feminism are basically ideological enemies, but most only know liberal feminism, which never explores difference between men and women and is into women as 'just as good as men!' as it's cause.

I’m not a radfem and I can’t fucking stand liberal feminism lol. It’s yet another ideology that’s been grabbed up by corporate America because it’s “safe” and it gets people riling over stupid fucking issues rather than address the actual problem. I’m not one of these people that believes “everyone should be a feminist”, but if you’re going to head in that route, gender critical feminism is where it’s at. At least those broads are trying to get shit done rather than diddle their thumbs in their cubicles tweeting “oh well I guess trans women are women” and “sex work is empowering” and then to home to their IKEA homes in their upper crust white suburban neighborhoods.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

This is partly because historically claims of innate male supremacy have been used by men to justify the subordination of women. For example, men claimed women were neurologically unfit to participate in political decision-making, so women, held as chattel, were systematically denied any say about their own lives and prevented from organizing for millennia. This may surprise you, but women's biology didn't change when Suffragettes finally gained the vote.

But sure, radfems agree on everything with trans rights activists, caused pornsic coomers to think men in frilly panties are the ultimate expression of femaleness and probably founded ISIS too.

Certain differences, namely men being physically stronger than women, are usually seen as the original cause of women's subordination. This is why TERFs simply maintain it is not fair for men to compete in women's sport.

Many radical feminists do de-emphasize behavioral differences between men and women in imagined 'state of nature' and often keep quite mum about the issue.

We gave women political power for 5 minutes and we ended up with desmond is amazing, I am jazz and drag queen kindergarden storytime, as well as the most decadent, depraved and heidonistic society recorded in human history rife with open air child abuse that would make rome blush.

There's a reason pornsick coomer trannies exist only on feminist countries.

What do you think happens when you remove boundaries from a society and endlessly push the mantra that "We're all the same and everyone should be allowed to be whatever they want?"

You didn't really think you could have your cake and eat it too did you? Radfems are retarded because they're literally bitching about the society they created. This is the future you wanted.

And that's also where you're identical to trannies. You pick and choose what parts of biology you like depending on what is convinient to you at the time.

Trannies joining sports? "Well clearly that's unfair because men and women are inately different giving men a clear advantage."

Men leading society? "Well clearly that's unfair because men and women are identical and women are just as good as men there is no reason men would lead other than active oppression."

Either men and women are the same or they aren't. You don't get to pick and choose.

So while men are innately inclined to be pedophiles, rapists and generally sadistic towards the defenseless,

As an example, most radical feminists don't advocate for total genocide of men, even if men are biologically predestined to be rapists and sadists, but aim towards building a kinder society that minimizes these innate male behaviors and protects their victims.

Truly, beyond parody. I don't know what's more absurd here, the lack of self awareness, or the idea that a female only society would last past a day without men.

 

[doomocract]

What peaked me was reading the tranny sideshow tread. I put 2 + 2 together, & overtime realized it explained so many issues we see in society (especially regarding online activityism.) I'm thankful I can recognize it now.

If you say you're a girl when you are male, you are deeply delusional and need to find help.

 

[Jetski Blues]

This is where we started:

the issue is that terfs which are the main opposition to trannies don't actually disagree with them on anything

This is where we ended up:

There's a reason pornsick coomer trannies exist only on feminist countries.

...Radfems are retarded because they're literally bitching about the society they created. This is the future you wanted.

I'm just going to point out that radical feminists are against pornography. The fucking wikipedia article on radical feminism spells out one reason:

German radical feminist Alice Schwarzer is one proponent of the view that pornography offers a distorted sense of men and women's bodies, as well as the actual sexual act, often showing performers with synthetic implants or exaggerated expressions of pleasure, engaging in fetishes that are presented as popular and normal.

And then I'm going to stop this conversation from my part with this:

Truly, beyond parody.

 

[one_time_user]

There's a thread for terf discussion and I am pretty sure there's another one for feminism in general.

 

[Arianne Chan]

I've had friends who have fallen victim to transgender fantasy, and out of pure respect I wanted to play along but I think I can't take it anymore... It disgusts me how there are people and companies that manipulate others to believe this stupidity, that they can change their body, that they are women in a man's body, etc.

When I found out that what they do is put hormones that destroy the body, especially on minors who have not gone through puberty, and that their goal is to have surgery that mutilates their body, to end up with depression and end up committing suicide, from that moment I saw the repulsive truth of all this movement, and it makes me sad for the people who, despite knowing that, want to continue with their fantasies where they still believe that they are "beautiful womens" or those sort of bullshit, i still have to put up with certain friends who buy into all this bullshit about being "transgender women", sadly i don't think they will be saved

 

[rel=alternate]

I am not sure there was ever a peak for me.

I always thought they were creepy, even though I never saw many IRL. It's not really a major concern where I am from. Those who do exist are pretty much prostitutes, bums or flamboyant rich gays. There is little in-between, and not much cross-over with Gen Pop.

Just being someone growing up online reinforced this belief that they are creepy, dangerous, self absorbed and overall cancer.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

I've had friends who have fallen victim to transgender fantasy, and out of pure respect I wanted to play along but I think I can't take it anymore... It disgusts me how there are people and companies that manipulate others to believe this stupidity, that they can change their body, that they are women in a man's body, etc.

When I found out that what they do is put hormones that destroy the body, especially on minors who have not gone through puberty, and that their goal is to have surgery that mutilates their body, to end up with depression and end up committing suicide, from that moment I saw the repulsive truth of all this movement, and it makes me sad for the people who, despite knowing that, want to continue with their fantasies where they still believe that they are "beautiful womens" or those sort of bullshit, i still have to put up with certain friends who buy into all this bullshit about being "transgender women", sadly i don't think they will be saved

I currently have one trans friend left in my social group and I feel the same way. Nobody irl except maybe close family know about how I truly view about transgenderism. I want to support my friend, they’re a good person deep down, but seeing them constantly take anything that supports the typical modern tranny agenda is getting really old. I respect their pronouns because I never see them irl, if you’re interacting with someone virtually then it’s easy to say “oh, they want to be called she/her, that’s totally okay.” Then you meet them in real life and realize that they look and sound exactly like a regular dude.

I honestly think it’s best that, if you can’t have an honest discussion with your friends about your beliefs, then it’s best to slowly break ties with these people. I keep thinking my trans friend is going through a Tumblr phase and is going to grow out of it and be the cool person they were before this happened, but seeing how other lolcows and trans people on Reddit have continued descending into this gendershit, that’s probably not going to be the case.

 

[AnOminous]

I should add that radical feminism rejects it's cause as 'equality with men'. That's a liberal pop feminism line. Radical feminism recognises the differences between men and women, and seeks to liberate women from male oppression. Not become 'just as good as men/equal', because radical feminism rejects the idea that women should strive to be like men. Liberal feminism, the kind everyone is sold because it's corporate friendly and doesn't make man babies cry, is about 'women can be equal with men'.

The problem is there are two general strains of radical feminism, and one seeks to eliminate all differences between men and women, which is clearly nonsensical, and the other, which derives largely from the lesbian wing of radical feminism, is biologically essentialist and absolutely rejects that men and women are not different. They are not only different, but women are uniquely positioned and subject to forms of oppression literally because of their anatomy and enculturation.

The TERF strain specifically wants the right to spaces for women only. I agree both sexes should be allowed to have segregated spaces, related to the specific interests that require them. My only problem with male-only or female-only spaces is if they somehow serve to lock people out of professional advancement in some way, like a golf club being used as a "good old boy's club." Or, while it's less common, a similar female-only club being used to lock out men from a specific job.

That's a much more abstract issue than "should full grown men be able to walk around sporting a giant boner in front of little girls" where the answer is obvious and there's really no sane room for disagreement.

 

[glass_houses]

Not that I don't enjoy a good thread derailment, but as @one_time_user said, there's about three other threads talking about how feminism has ruined society and it's all women's fault that sexually deviant men exist. Can we please move on?

 

[AnOminous]

Not that I don't enjoy a good thread derailment, but as @one_time_user said, there's about three other threads talking about how feminism has ruined society and it's all women's fault that sexually deviant men exist. Can we please move on?

Shut up fag, this is the lesbian feminist thread, where men tell you about what lesbians think.

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

there's about three other threads talking about how feminism has ruined society and it's all women's fault that sexually deviant men exist. Can we please move on?

Are there actually men who believe this? That there is some sort of woman cabal that is out to make men into coomers by subjugating other women so that men view them as mere sex objects? I’m pretty anti feminist, but even I know that is an utterly retarded take. Only pop feminists support sex work, the overwhelming majority of them are blatantly anti porn. Here’s a tip, why not look into who actually pulls the strings in the porn industry? Might be enlightening.

But that’s another discussion for another thread.

Edit because I hit post too soon like a tard:
There never was a peak for me. The very idea that someone can change gender is pure nonsense and anyone who thinks it’s possible is delusional. That and the fact that transgender people are genuinely scary, Buffalo Bill was probably the most accurate depiction of a ‘trans woman’ ever put to paper. I don’t mollycoddle insanity, especially knowing these are the types of men who would put my female family members a risk.

Double edit for additional thought to save a double post:
Actually there has been one instance where I have lost all empathy and compassion. A year or so back there was a controversy in the incel thread about a suicide site being censored, a site that was modded by at least one prominent member of the incel community. I’ve kept up with the story since, dropping in from time to time to lurk. It is a very depressing place, but also one where people can vent, which is good. However, I’ve noticed a good many new members are trans, and it’s been interesting getting a window into the brains of suicidal troons. One particular user stood out, I’ll post some screencaps:

Spoiler

Notice any reoccurring themes here? There’s the seething hatred at women for daring to just exist in this person’s vicinity, which is pretty disturbing in and of itself, but what is most prominent is the utterly misogynistic view of a woman’s value being based on how attractive she is. Nowhere will you see a troon want to be a woman for the sake of actually being a woman, being a mother, filling traditionally feminine roles (outside of fetishization), being a loving wife…it’s all so superficial to them. Being a woman goes only as deep as being ‘pretty’. Can you imagine wanting to kill yourself because you can’t be a 20 something pretty uwu Korean girl? It is incomprehensible to me, especially seeing other posts, like where a woman is now suicidal because she lost her daughter and husband to a drunk driver, or a man who has been diagnosed with a terminal illnesses and has no ability to pay for treatment. I have seen this user tell a depressed woman to get over herself because at least she got to be a cute teen girl…

And they still get asspats for how hard their lives are being born ‘wrong’. Unbelievable.

 

[A Fucking Houseplant]

I peaked when Drag Queen Story Hour started to become a thing. One case came out in which an activist group, MassResistance, alleged that one of the drag queens was a convicted sex offender and - as their page later confirmed - it was totally true. Here's the Snopes page confirming it as true as well: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/drag-queen-library-convicted/

A registered child sex offender has been reading to children at Houston Public Library as part of its Drag Queen Storytime. A group called Mass Resistance, which has been trying to put an end to the program, contacted KHOU about the child sex offender ... A media spokesperson for the library confirmed one of the program’s drag queens, Tatiana Mala Nina, is Alberto [sic] Garza, a 32-year-old child sex offender. In 2008, he was convicted of assaulting an 8-year-old boy."

It was that one incident that was the beginning of the end for me, and kicked it off from something as basic as questioning why putting the kids at risk by being around these people was considered worthwhile in the first place.

 

[Point and Laugh]

Why wou

There's a thread for terf discussion and I am pretty sure there's another one for feminism in general.

Why would anyone want to read that when we have an extremely angry man to tell us what feminism is and why women are terrible. Stupid women.

Anyway, I never believed dickless men were women but getting kicked off of platforms where women occasionally talked about the reality of degenerate trannies made me really hate them.

Also, a sub about women getting properly fitted bras was completely overrun by ugly ass men just posting pics of themselves because they’re gross fetishists. Being Reddit, this was not only acceptable but only women willing to affirm and fawn over these pervs could speak.

Hail Null and his creation that has given his chosen people a path to the truth and the light. KF:1139

 

[AnOminous]

And they still get asspats for how hard their lives are being born ‘wrong’. Unbelievable.

They should just be told to go kill themselves. When I hear the percentage of troon suicides I wonder why it isn't higher.